(SPOILER FREE!) Fun fact: Grisha didn't see old Zeke and Eren through his perspective, instead he saw it all through Eren's perspective since Eren sent his memories back in time to Grisha via the Attack Titan. Notice how whenever Grisha sees Zeke, Zeke is within Eren's sight, so he saw it all in 3rd person view basically which means when he stared in Eren's eyes he actually saw himself. Must've trippy af for Grisha
@@ziroh4122 I'm pretty sure 2nd person wouldve been by zekes perspective but it depends on definitions and that is why noone ever does things in 2nd person.
@@edgeelric4245 The video 'This is What a "Second-Person" Video Game Would Look Like' by Nick Robinson does a good job of visualizing what it would look like. It's essentially seeing yourself through the perspective of another character
@@samanthagalicia6151 Yep! No spoilers, but I definitely recommend reading chapters 72 & 73-more specifically, the conversations between Eren and Armin. There’s a lot of great characterization and context to be found there.
Yeah. You can't change a time loop. For example, Grisha eating the founder is a fixed point in time which cannot be meddled with as it''s already happened
@@tescobakery1927 If you can't change a time loop, then why is Eren trying? He can just sit back and do nothing and it should've happened anyway right?
@@PiecefulKaos It's a paradox, it'll happen no matter what so Eren will always be there. + Eren wants it to happen, he has no reason not to do the things he saw in his visions
After he saw Sasha's death and he started laughing, Eren knew that nothing he does could change the future. He's bound by his fate, so he keeps moving forward.
This is really the most tragic and ironic part of erens character, where he who will do anything for freedom, is never trully free because he is bound by his own fate that he knows he cant escape from lol
If that's true, then I'm glad. Too many stories I've seen with time travel where future just changes so conveniently because of one slight interaction between the present and past, while I think it makes much more sense when the future is deterministic. Like, even if you go back to past to change the future you've already seen, that very act should be what made the future you saw happen.
@@huntedguy9013 Yeah, the "what reason did they have to travel to the past/future if it was already fixed by them" thing is the number one plot hole for all time travel stories. The only way you can get around it is using multiple time lines, or keeping the past and future fixed even if someone attempts to change them.
Isayama for years wanted to quited drawing Attack on Titan but it was Eren who keep whispering into his ears: “This is the story you started, Tatakae.”
(No spoilers for future episodes) When Eren was talking to himself in the mirror he was probably giving himself or someone else encouragement. I read the manga but forgot about that scene so I didn't really connect it.
Grisha's entire story feels like a Greek tragedy now that we have all of this new context. A man who was trying to do good, turned in by his own son who he wouldn't be a proper father to. Gains a second chance, learns his lesson, and actually tries to be the father he should have been. Only to end up being mentally tortured and manipulated by his second son into throwing all his morals away without ever knowing if these actions would actually bring the good to the world he hoped for.
I feel like it was a bit of karma there, if you think about it Eren ended up being the son that Grisha dreamed of having when he lived in Marley, "be careful what you wish for" I guess.
Yea but actually I think grisha knows what eren's gonna do bcoz he explicitly told Zeke to stop eren, which means that he kinda knew his actions wouldn't bring the good he wished for
@NASR FCIM channel True. I suppose a better way to put it is Grisha will never know how this world would end up after Eren does what he wants. Especially since Eren isn't showing him everything. Eren is totally an "ends justify the means" kind of person, but whatever Grisha saw is too much for him to truly believe in the "good" Eren might believe it would bring.
I don't think Geisha was just crying about Eren's plan. I think he knows Eren's final fate as well. Like he clearly loved his son dearly just before he saw the future. And I don't think that just disappears. I think he is afraid of the fate of his children. And I think Eren is clearly suffering while executing this plan
Basicly Grisha was Zeke'd by his own second son. While in Marley, Zeke was supposed to become the weapon for him and his people to strike back at the world. Once he lost Zeke but gained the Attack Titan, it was Grisha himself, who became the weapon his son would make use of, to strike back. Tragic irony.
Grisha isnt seeing Eren, grisha has been experiencing memories from our current eren, which is that eren is viewing grisha's memories. Therefore grisha is seeing himself from Eren's POV. like a trippy out of body experience. Eren isnt manipulating the past, these events have always just....been....its creepy to experience
"Nothing has changed, only your perception". Eren cant change the past because it already happened. Eren got mad at his father's memory of the royal family telling them to just sit down and get hell. That was totally new to eren, seeing that memory, he acted and told his father to fight. You see? nothing changed, time has never changed, eren and us spectators have seen that memory for the first time, so eren acted. Is like harry poter going back to his past and finding out he is the chosen, he waited for a savior that was supposed to be his father but he never came, so potter had to step in and block that shadow. Nothing changed.
@@TheYoungMuTe depends of what you are asking, if you ask, why did eren told his father to fight, was because that is what eren think is right, and we all know how persistent he is when he thinks something is right. If the question is, why he is doing all this as to be the main villain, that is something that only eren and manga readers know xD, only thing i can tell you is that if erens father saw the future, i think eren can see his future as well.
@@fuego786 ya, i see the beauty in this scene but i was thinking more driving the plot forward because he already has his titan powers, so what happened in the past did happen. Ive only read two chapters ahead, and eren thanks zeke for bringing him there but i just dont see the actual reason.
@@ddreamer789 nah i get that. I mean more in the practical sense cuz he already has his titan powers. I still love this episode but time travel stuff ive just never been a fan
Eren was the kind of son Grisha wished Zeke was like during their days in Marley. Now he realized how terrifying that idea could actually be. Grisha's VA acted his soul out in this episode. It's amazing.
The part where grisha says, “please, stop eren” gave me chills because it shows that the entire story flips to where Eren is the main antagonist almost making Zeke the protagonist this entire time
@@hisnameisbass6405 an antagonist is the character that opposes the main character, they can’t be the same person. A more fitting title would be that eren is the villain in the story not the antagonist
To explain the future memories bit, the power of the Attack Titan is the power to send memories from its future inheritors back to its past inheritors. That makes it unique from other Titans which can only see memories from the past. The thing with the future memory transfer is that you can't send future memories back to your past self, since the AT only has to power to send the future memories to its past inheritors. There's a loophole, however, which Eren has exploited. If you send future memories to a past inheritor, and then unlock the past memory of that inheritor seeing those future memories, you see your own future memories. Grisha isn't actually seeing Eren. He's seeing himself in the 3rd person from Eren's pov, thus hearing what Eren is saying. It's the same with Zeke, Grisha only sees Zeke when Eren is directly looking at Zeke. When Eren kissed Historia, he unlocked the last of Grisha's memory of Future Eren sending him the future. Thus Eren learned of events which would occur in the future.
This is not an innate ability of the Attack Titan. The only reason AT inheritors can see future memories is because of Eren, the coordinate, who can send these memories into the past.
Eren whispered in Isayama's ear and told him to write this story On a serious note, it's really scary how Grisha, someone who was so anti-Marley and pro-Eldia, saw one glimpse of Eren's plan and was like, "Zeke. You have to stop him." Despite Grisha's hate for Marley and how far he was willing to go, even HE thought his plan was too far. He was genuinely horrified. Whatever Eren's plan is, Grisha does not want it to happen. Speaking of, Zeke and Grisha finally getting to work out their issues and hug each other in a moment of pure love is really heartwarming. Grisha understood his mistakes when raising Zeke before. Instead of only treating him as a tool, he treats him as his son. Zeke is finally able to take his first step towards closure after years of trauma. Even if they had their differences, Grisha and Zeke can at least agree with one thing: Stopping Eren.
Eren to Isayama: "Isayama-san, you will take this pen. How Dad's story went, no...how MY story went." Isayama: "Eren, please, no..." Eren: "Draw... Just draw... Keep drawing... Keep drawing forward... You cannot stop. Keep drawing forward..."
Don't worry. No time travel. Just Grisha seeing the future memories of his future inheritor (which is Eren). He's seeing future Eren's memory of looking at his past memories.
Your interpretation is right. Nothing really changes. The past, present and future has already been written. Any 'changes' being made have already been part of the original timeline in the first place and aren't really changes. Eren always manipulated Grisha to kill the Reiss family, there was never an alternate timeline where he didn't. The timeline of AoT is deterministic.
Let's put it this way, if there are multiple cycle of timeline, during the first or second cycle, such changing the past thing is possible, however for cycle of timeline we are seeing in AoT is the definitely beyond thr initial few cycle, but the finalised and stablised cycle of timeline after all possible changes can already included in at least their previous few timeline.
@@sreenivas6071 Bro, I'm not saying it is not a deterministic timeline, neither I'm explain about what is deterministic time, instead I'm trying to provide a hypothesis of How a deterministic timeline is formed when free will does existed as well, and how they(free will and destiny) are not contradicting each other?
@@sreenivas6071 For your better understanding, we need to be on the same page in regard of the 5th dimension. We human are 4th dimension being who we can onlu perceived 3 dimension of space and 1 dimension of time, and via memories we could perceived that 1 dimension of time as timeline or a time thread. However when we need to discuss about timeloop, it is actually involved the 5th dimension of time which I might interpret it as "time area", just like a piece of fabric that piece together with many time thread. In the application in our real world, it is like every single second or milisecond of initial timeline move on, there is a new timeline started as well. So when we talk about time travel or sending memories to the past, it is not sending to our existing timeline but the following timeline that start later than ours. That's what Avenger Endgame utilised in their setting. So free will does existed in the initial timeline where no pre-written destiny or script existed for them to follow, metaphorically, it is like when the film being edit or book being wrote, that's when the initial timeline begin, and what happen when we read or watch this video or book is when the second or n-th time this time line begin, and all non-initial timeline are deterministic timeline, you got me? Because all the following timeline is just repeating what had already happen in the initial timeline. So when a interuption happen for eg. Attack Titan future memory things, it will affect the following timeline and causes changes in that few timeloop, however after several timeloop and several changes happen, it will eventually settle down just like water ripple and formed our known deterministic timeline again. That's what I am suggesting how AoT deterministic timeline formed even though the free will of Eren did existed as well but only during the initial timeline of the interuption of future memory happen, what we see in this AoT story now is after that initial timeline where free will has did his job and recorded and repeating in this timeline. Actually in Matrix Reload, the Oracle had said something like this to Neo, "Because you didn't come here to make the choice, you've already make it. You are here try to understand WHY you make it". This is one of the classic interpretation of how the following timeline reenacting what free will in the inital timeline has decided. And that formed deterministic timeline we seen because the choice and free will had did their job in the initial timeline, and we in the following timeline are merely here to understand why we make it. Sorry for the long essay explaining my logic but it seems like you are unable to comprehend my brief explaination in my first comment. So for you to get my points correctly, I have no choice but to elaborate it to such length.
so basically eren manipulated his dad by making him believe that doing everything eren wanted we'll be good for eldians and promised carla's safety with fragments and specific memories but in the end he understood the function of the attack titan and that ""eren isn't showing him everything for a reason"" the moment grisha say that, eren show him the rest of his memories, he see zeke, apology and ask him to stop eren.
@@diegogonzalezvazq the man basically went through a mental break. I don't think he was thinking about anything except what was being brought forth in his mind by Eren. At the end of the day, the brainwashing came from Eren
@@unknownstormtrooper5735 that makes a lot of sense acc. Eren was probably sending him a shit ton of memories constantly, and it was messing with his mind. It doesn’t make sense to think that at that point he would think rationally. It’d make more sense that eren did brainwash him through showing him bits and pieces of his memories, but not enough to make him go back on what he had been basically told to do. For example something like whether Carla would be safe,
When Eren says he's always been this way, he's not talking about his emotional disposition. As he says, he's always fought for freedom. If someone tries to take his freedom away or the freedom of those he loves, he will retaliate and take their freedom first. That's why they're showing the flashback where he kills Mikasa's kidnappers. He emphasized this to show he's always been this way, it wasn't Grisha that forced him to be this way. He was never "acting".
if youve read the manga with the school spin off, at the end eren is utterly bored with life, much like child eren in the first epsiode before the wall was broken. then, school eren has a dream where the school has been infested with zombies (subbed for titans) and realizes that if he cant fight for freedom, then he will destroy and create a new world where he can fight for freedom.
Every time Grisha sees old Zeke and Eren, he was looking from Eren's perspective, since he was seeing future memories of Eren. Meaning that Grisha can see himself on third person view. Every time he sees Zeke, eren is standing behind him so he has a clear view of Zeke.
Mappa really missed an opportunity to make it clear how the Grisha-Eren memory/paths perception works. More could've been done with the direction of this episode in general I think, but it seems that it was the victim of the content that episodes 3 and 5 have to adapt. I can only assume this episode was treated as a lesser priority. But hey, at least there's an army of fans to explain things in the comments.
@@Greyscale11 I would say the did a fine job simce the whole manga is also like this. Altho its true they could have made it bettter by expanding on it
Eren killed 3 people at 9 years old with no remorse. That’s literally 4th grade. Eren has always been this way as he said. Remember his seizure in the fight with Annie saying he’ll rip her to bits?
@@neyte7313 It only depends on interpretation and if you really want to see Eren as a pathetic asshole, you'll find reasons to think like this. But those who see Eren in different way will find valid reasons to think like this as well. It seems like the second group puts more time and effort in trying to understand Eren as a whole. Just saying.
Stuff of note: - Grisha saying "my children", meaning he thinks of Mikasa as his child too - Rod legging it out of there before his family even sobers up lol
Bro isayama's writing is so poetic. The royal family founding titans is bound by a past king controlling the future actions and the attack titans are being bound by a future eren to controlling the actions of the past. So insane bruh. can't wait to see the ending
@@mrcristoito no it's not a plot armour lmao everything was influenced by eren as after a certain future eren will get founding titan where he used it to transcends time and share memories of him having the memories of grisha having the memories of kruger having his past owners and so on and his memories ofc to send everyone a certain memories of future to past to manipulate them to make sure everything happen that had happened in the past ... Eren achieved to send some fragments of memories to his past self ( of him manupilating grisha and of some rumbling moments) via grisha memories to ensure his past self to do everything to make sure rumbling happens .... It's a fixed timeline concept ik your brain can't handle this but it's okay...... It's not a time travel it's memory travel manupilation to ensure future that eren wants .. Without hax he Manipulated his friends to kill him , jeagerist to support, Marley and survey corps to unite to fight against him , and pretty much every characters action like Zeke Gabi floch and more.
Spoiler Alert . . . . . . . . . . . . . . And Eren make the worst future for no reason He only kill 80 percent of human for no fuckin reasons And paradis is destroyed by the 20 percent of human So the result is no freedom No one free That's why the ending sucks
2:06 "That's a horrible realization". Except Eren was lying. He doesn't think that. That's why he just so quickly says he's free of the brainwashing immediately after he just told Zeke he would never agree to the sterilization plan. And Grisha isn't someone who'd do that.
So in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here. AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's almost impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen. The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past? Well, he had 3 perfect conditions: 1. He had the ability of the Attack Titan 2. The ability of the Founding Titan 3. He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke. After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror. Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time. So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time. Also Note that everytime, Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from actually due to the memories from Eren's POV Another thing to add: Eren did NOT see everything in the future. Eren only saw CRUCIAL moments in the future, for example, he saw Pieck pointing a gun at him when he kissed Historia’s hand 4 years ago, this is why he was so calm when she threatened to shoot him, because Eren KNEW she wouldn’t shoot him. However, Eren DIDN’T know that Porco was going to try to eat him just a couple of minutes later. Even Eren doesn’t know EVERYTHING that will happen. Also, this isn’t my comment, I did not make this, ALL CREDIT GOES TO u/Skyclad_Observer
So in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here. AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's almost impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen. This calls into the question of the existence of free will in the world of Attack of Titan. The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past? Well, he had 3 perfect conditions: 1. He had the ability of the Attack Titan 2. The ability of the Founding Titan 3. He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke. After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror. Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time. So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time. Also Note that everytime, Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from actually due to the memories from Eren's POV
@@Ay_Gee_I yeah it is but it still helps ppl to understand the ep better
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Delighted to see you get to this point in the story. I appreciate how much you empathize with Grisha and how you see Eren like a villain now. What a twist. :)
The way we saw Eren in season 1 was not acting. He simply always had a serious murderous and hateful side and also a kind, loving and childish side. He is caring with his friends but hateful with those who try to take his freedom. people can have more then one side to them. The normal Eren and the serious one are the same person and just 2 sides of the same coin.
@@callmeweeb4350 it become bad when lelouch made that stupid mistake with the Princess and the genocide its a dumb show, (the ending was the only good part and is now ruined because the movie)
The Attack Titan's memories exists all at the same time which means no matter who the inheritor is, they know what happened or what's gonna happen unless the future inheritor has blocked some memories that can be seen by the past. Ultimate mindfuck.
Man how have I not followed your reaction videos until now. Listening to you making good observations, and come up with plausible ideas/predictions, whether or not they come close or completely miss the mark. And doing all of this while watching the episode for the first time? Instant subscribe from me even before finishing the video.
When eren said "ive always been this way" he meant that he was always someone that desired freedom and that was not due to his fathers influence, but you seemed to have taken that sentence and ran in a whole different direction with it.
Exactly. He literally spelled it in this episode: If anyone tries to steal my freedom, I am gonna steal theirs first. Back then it was those 2-3 murderers that killed Mikasa's mom, now it's the entire fucking world.
Yeah he said Eren wasn’t like he was when he saved mikasa but he was except his enemy for a while was the titans and not humans but he’s always willing to do everything to get freedom
Yeah, Eren's surface mannerisms have changed because he ages and matures. But his fundamental drive and vision for his life has never changed. His motivation. That's what Eren means.
@@colintimko0874 the only reason he thought eren was normal in seasons 1 2 and 3 was because his murderous intent was directed towards titans. But in reality eren has always been exactly like this.
@@giantenemycrab1192 yeah that’s basically what I meant it’s easier for someone to be on erens side and see him as normal when the enemies are unknown monsters so I can see why people would view him as “normal”
very important the future attack titan user is actively giving memories. the previous holders don’t just get to see stuff. Eren was SENDING memories to his father. Specific memories.
And here's the grand reveal that shocked even the manga readers to their core: While Erwin, Grisha, the King, Eldians, Marleyans, Zeke, everyone else was playing Chess, Eren was out there playing 4D Chess on 3 different boards against 2 enemies on each board.
im absolutely surprised that this man has watched this entire show and seemingly picked up 1/3 of all the information in the series, its like hes sitting there immersed in it yet hes not consuming anything
SnK is at it's best with moments like this. Just clever writing and the subverting of expectations. No one saw this coming in the manga and what will come next. The fighting and the like is fine but it's superb character work and world building that makes it near perfect. Hang on ladies and gents, it's just getting started!
To explain things clear: - attack Titan can see memories of future users -originally grisha didn’t want to kill but eren persuaded him to - since grisha can see eren’s memories, (eren is the user after grisha) grisha is basically seeing himself, but in eren’s POV, which means grisha is aware that eren was watching him, which is why he was shouting if he was happy about his decision. If you watch closely in the episode you can notice in some scenes it looks like grisha was staring at eren right at the face (when grisha told younger eren about the key to the basement).
What Eren is doing is also villain logic though (punish everyone indiscriminately... its literally a purge not better at all than sterilizing everyone... at least you don't smash anyone)
That's exactly what Eren wants to do though, except he wants to destroy every other race (including a lot of his own) because he's scared of their power. He's the villain.
@@TequilaToothpick He is more an anti-villain. He is forced to do this as its the only way he can save himself and the people close to him. Yes it isn't morally correct but it is his only option. Does he let all his people be killed/enslaved/euthanized or does he destroy the enemy albeit with heavy losses of people on his side who will largely be people he doesn't care about? Marley are the aggressors, they are 100% villains, yeah they aren't all bad but the military has committed lots of war crimes. The only good side is the scouts.
Before starting the video, I wanna say this episode is just peak fiction, and I'm glad it got adapted rightfully, and that you finally got to see it. MAPPA good, I will throw hands over this.
I can't believe we finally made it to this episode. By the end, I was freakin' shaking. But, yeah, Grisha is seeing through Eren's eyes. Which is why Grisha looks so unsettled whenever he turned to look back towards Eren. Next Episode=Origin Episode!!!!!!!!
Grisha was giving himself a pep talk through Eren's eyes, using Eren's words and voice is the easiest way to explain it. Grisha is basically experiencing two versions of the same moment. One from Grisha's eyes, and one from Eren's eyes
When Grisha sees the door and is seeing Eren, it's something you can actually notice in the first episode of Season 1. Grisha isn't looking at young Eren, but rather invisible Adult Eren. You can go check it out in that episode.
This episode had me go on a rant for about an hour that this is what Game of Thrones was supposed to do in the final season with Brandon Stark and never did…
All I ever wanted to do was do right things I never wanted to be the king All I ever wanted to do was save your life I never wanted to grab a knife op hits different after seeing this episode
When eren says he was always like this he takes about his resolve to fight with everything he has for his and his friends freedom. What changed is his attitude and this from the moment when he kissed hsitorias hand and saw the memories of his father. And he saw all the memoriees his futur self gave to his father. This why he had this disgusted and terrified look. And he had the exacte same expression after sasha was killed and he asked what her last word were, because he had already seen this memory and this moment confirms that every thing he saw that day were 100% coming true.
I feel u so much 😂 i reacted exactly the same. I cant wait for another week 😩😩. After this episode i thought about reading the Manga cause i want to know what happens sooo bad
I dont think Eren is a villain. He only did what he needed to secure titan power that he has. War was caused by Marley actions on people who had no memory of previous war. So I still consider them as bad guys. Not until Eren do something unthinkable like destroying entire World. Now we see him walking emotionless written path, based on his childhood emotions. This could make Eren a villain in the end, but show still didnt ended...
OK SO TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS MEAN "I'm always been the same since the moment i was birth" In season 1 we see Eren kills two people without HESITATE, Eren from the beginning have this nature "If someone still my freedom, i never hesitate to take their" And in this final season we see Eren don't hesitate to attacking liberio, his nature always been like this from the beginig. It's just us as the audience who missundertood by Eren's heroic story in the first season, but the truth is that Eren never had the character of a hero. Eren from the beginning always been like this and this is the beauty of Eren's character writting
here's the ironic : attack titan inheritors can only glimpse the memories of many future inheritors to the last Attack titan , they see awful things they want to changes it but in the end all of their action was lead to the same result it's just Inevitable
@@Votingcenter I didnt say what Erens intentions were. Im just saying people loved him for being pure heart and stuff and it turns out he was a manipulator since the start, actually a villian lol Would i back stab and manipulate everyone I ever known like Eren did to get the founders powers? Debaitable, But to do what he's planning? Just shoot me
@@Mistyfgdf " Would i back stab and manipulate everyone I ever known like Eren did to get the founders powers? " He never wants the Founding titan power, all he wants is to make sure mikasa and his crewmate(family) to be safe
@@Votingcenter Honestly seeing eren manipulate everyone even his dad Going back to the scene Eren talking to Mikasa and Armin, I think he was real, he doesnt give a shit about them, it's his free will does he even care about "family" lol imma leave this comment chain now, a mofo will try spoiling probably
Is basically not changing the past, BUT SEEIN IT. AND ALWAYS ALL THE ATTACK TITAN INHERITORS RECEIVED THE MEMORIES FROM THE POV OF THE CONTROLLER, WICH IN THIS CASE IS EREN.
“Err.. have I been to here before?” Eren, S3E6 “I was lucky enough to be the only survivor from the massacre.” Rob Reiss, S3E6 “If you want to save Mikasa, Armin and everyone else, you must complete your mission.” The Owl, S3E21 “My hand can still feel the way that my dad massacred the royal kids.” Eren, S4E19 The biggest plot twist finally revealed. Grisha, from the very beginning, was never “the real one” to kill the royal family. Some ppl may think Eren changed the past or time travel, no he didn’t, his manipulation to Grisha was included in the past. Neither past nor future could be changed in AOT. It has a fixed timeline. And the the attack titan ability, it actually does not foresight the future. It can receive brief memories from the future inheritor. How Eren knows his own future is the adult Eren sends memories back to his father, then when young Eren touches any royal, the memories will kind of unlock, so young Eren can see his future self from his father memories. Also the freedom seeking will from AT, is from Eren as every AT shifter follows will of the last AT.
Plus when Grisha told Eren that he would show him the truth in the basement, in the manga chapter 1 AKA S1E1, it didn’t show which Eren Grisha talked to, it just showed Grisha’s talking with a “scary” face.
I mean i still would not say Eren is the villian. He still has understantable motives to do that, like everyone. If Eren would not have send that memories to Grisha, the Reiss family would be alive, and the future of the eldians would be just death. Dont forgett that. Sure Eren did a really really terrible thing there, but just to save his own and the whole eldians. Its easy to say as a Watcher that he is a villian, but to be honest, i would have done the same in this situation... just humanity to try to save his own and the people that he loves. For sure if u remember Eren Kruger words "To save Armin and Mikasa".. and thats why i love AoT, there is no classic good vs. evil. Hero vs. Villian. EVERYONE has understantable motives.. everyone can be hated and loved at the same time.
not an original comment * So in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here. AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's almost impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen. This calls into the question of the existence of free will in the world of Attack of Titan. The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past? Well, he had 3 perfect conditions: 1. He had the ability of the Attack Titan 2. The ability of the Founding Titan 3. He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke. After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror. Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time. So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time. Also Note that everytime, Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from actually due to the memories from Eren's POV
When Eren kissed Historia's hand, what he really saw wasn't just Grisha talking to Frieda, but his older self convincing his father to do it when Grisha nearly gave up, that's what freaked him out so much after kissing her hand, after that we can only assume he's been getting various flashes of the future that we as the audience aren't privy to yet; we don't know how far his foresight goes, or how complete it is
One key part he saw was Sashas death. That's why he asked Connie about her last words. That's why he broke down when he confirmed she said meat. It confirmed to Eren that the future be saw is set.
All this time Zeke thought that Grisha was brainwashing them.Turns out Eren was the one who's brainwashing their dad and maybe all the attack titan inheritors
@@bp4_archive nah bro erens a villan. Idk what his reasons were or why he did what he did. He kills billions of innocent people he didn't have to kill, erens a villan.
@@Votingcenter He is still a villain. This is the problem with you guys. Yes he has good intentions, but his methods are what makes him a villain. You can respect that he did these for his friends, but you should never justify his actions because no matter. You can't even call him an anti-hero, he is more of an anti-villain.
Moral of the story: you keep moving forward no matter what. You'll see people dying in the future, but you have to keep pushing. Dwelling in the past and feeling guilt won't help you.
I seriously don't understand how anyone could support Eren's actions. I've read the manga and it's just unbelievable to me. People who act like he's a savior or something like that are just crazy.
He literally wants to save his friends . . . By killing everyone excluding him and his friends. That’s something no one should root for. Saving his friends? Cool. By killing everyone? Not cool.
You would never understand someone when you haven’t gone through what someone’s gone through it’s easy to say something from a 3rd person point of view wrong yes but what would you do in that said person’s position
Notice all the bird symbolism. The Attack Titan has always fought for freedom. The past Attack Titans can get visions from future ones. Eren always wanted to be free, even before he inherited his father's titans. That's what Eren means by "what he's always been." Somebody who seeks true freedom and hates being caged/restricted, not just for himself, but for everyone he loves. I also think this episode gives a deeper meaning to the OP lyrics "I never wanted to grab a knife" Eren was born to be an Attack Titan, and in this episode we see how Eren influenced the past, because he succeeded to reach the coordinate with Zeke. Had he not reached the coordinate, none of these memories he's sending back in time would've been created to begin with. A very trippy mindfuck of the circle of time. Grisha is seeing memories from Eren's viewpoint, so without knowing how, he knows Eren succeeds in his mission. I imagine how terrifying it would be to see a memory of someone looking at/speaking to you, knowing that because you have this memory, you are powerless to stop it. Also, Episode 1 was titled "To you, 2000 years from now", next episode is titled "From you, 2000 years ago". The lore is about to go even deeper.
Grisha saw Eren's memory of the future of Eren going back into the past memories, so Eren was able to directly communicate with Grisha by showing him his memories in real time to give Grisha a third person perspective on his actions. Eren unlocked Grisha's memories when he kissed Historia's hand, and he saw through Grisha's eyes as Grisha saw through Eren's eyes, letting Eren see his own future and allowing Eren to share as many memories as he wanted with his past self. From that moment on, Eren knew the future and the path that he had no choice but to walk. We see him constantly looking for outs, and finding none. This is the path he always must take.
when eren said "i've always been like this since birth" they showed the scene where he killed the two kidnappers, that proves his point, eren is both as we used to know him in the first couple seasons, and what we have forgotten of him, that single detail. he's not lying.
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(SPOILER FREE!) Fun fact: Grisha didn't see old Zeke and Eren through his perspective, instead he saw it all through Eren's perspective since Eren sent his memories back in time to Grisha via the Attack Titan. Notice how whenever Grisha sees Zeke, Zeke is within Eren's sight, so he saw it all in 3rd person view basically which means when he stared in Eren's eyes he actually saw himself. Must've trippy af for Grisha
so it wasn't third person, it was 2nd person perspective lmao. Yes, this is a rare case.
The studio added sound effects to the hug so it is impossible to know that grisha is actually hugging air lol
@@ziroh4122 I'm pretty sure 2nd person wouldve been by zekes perspective but it depends on definitions and that is why noone ever does things in 2nd person.
@@edgeelric4245 The video 'This is What a "Second-Person" Video Game Would Look Like' by Nick Robinson does a good job of visualizing what it would look like. It's essentially seeing yourself through the perspective of another character
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Well, they would’ve “physically met” through the nature of paths, which can simulate physical stimulations.
Eren has always been this way: attack viciously, killing all enemies, when him or his friends were attacked first.
"When I think about taking back the world that was stolen, power flows through me."
Pepelaugh dont tell him about the ending of Aot
@@anthonyclark5849 OMG is this from S3 part 2 episode 1 right?
Yep, I'm still on his side for a few reason.
@@samanthagalicia6151 Yep! No spoilers, but I definitely recommend reading chapters 72 & 73-more specifically, the conversations between Eren and Armin. There’s a lot of great characterization and context to be found there.
“Sometimes the hand of fate must be forced.”
Eren’s not trying to CHANGE the past to PREVENT the future, he’s trying to ENSURE THE FUTURE HAPPENS
This is how it was always gonna happen. AoT is a fixed timeline.
Yeah. You can't change a time loop. For example, Grisha eating the founder is a fixed point in time which cannot be meddled with as it''s already happened
@@tescobakery1927 If you can't change a time loop, then why is Eren trying? He can just sit back and do nothing and it should've happened anyway right?
@@PiecefulKaos It's a paradox, it'll happen no matter what so Eren will always be there. + Eren wants it to happen, he has no reason not to do the things he saw in his visions
Illidan is that you XD
After he saw Sasha's death and he started laughing, Eren knew that nothing he does could change the future. He's bound by his fate, so he keeps moving forward.
This is really the most tragic and ironic part of erens character, where he who will do anything for freedom, is never trully free because he is bound by his own fate that he knows he cant escape from lol
If that's true, then I'm glad. Too many stories I've seen with time travel where future just changes so conveniently because of one slight interaction between the present and past, while I think it makes much more sense when the future is deterministic. Like, even if you go back to past to change the future you've already seen, that very act should be what made the future you saw happen.
@Reinhard and Julius are best boys Terminator as well
@@huntedguy9013 It's like the Past, Present, and Future are happening simultaneously.
@@huntedguy9013 Yeah, the "what reason did they have to travel to the past/future if it was already fixed by them" thing is the number one plot hole for all time travel stories. The only way you can get around it is using multiple time lines, or keeping the past and future fixed even if someone attempts to change them.
Isayama for years wanted to quited drawing Attack on Titan but it was Eren who keep whispering into his ears: “This is the story you started, Tatakae.”
I love you for this. This is awesome
*Grisha:* I'm a doctor who saved lives.."I could never kill children"
*Eren:* F*CK THAT!!! "Tatakae"Tatakae..Tatakae...
"F*ck them kids"
(No spoilers for future episodes) When Eren was talking to himself in the mirror he was probably giving himself or someone else encouragement. I read the manga but forgot about that scene so I didn't really connect it.
Grisha's entire story feels like a Greek tragedy now that we have all of this new context. A man who was trying to do good, turned in by his own son who he wouldn't be a proper father to. Gains a second chance, learns his lesson, and actually tries to be the father he should have been. Only to end up being mentally tortured and manipulated by his second son into throwing all his morals away without ever knowing if these actions would actually bring the good to the world he hoped for.
I feel like it was a bit of karma there, if you think about it Eren ended up being the son that Grisha dreamed of having when he lived in Marley, "be careful what you wish for" I guess.
Yea but actually I think grisha knows what eren's gonna do bcoz he explicitly told Zeke to stop eren, which means that he kinda knew his actions wouldn't bring the good he wished for
@NASR FCIM channel True. I suppose a better way to put it is Grisha will never know how this world would end up after Eren does what he wants. Especially since Eren isn't showing him everything. Eren is totally an "ends justify the means" kind of person, but whatever Grisha saw is too much for him to truly believe in the "good" Eren might believe it would bring.
I don't think Geisha was just crying about Eren's plan. I think he knows Eren's final fate as well. Like he clearly loved his son dearly just before he saw the future. And I don't think that just disappears. I think he is afraid of the fate of his children. And I think Eren is clearly suffering while executing this plan
Basicly Grisha was Zeke'd by his own second son. While in Marley, Zeke was supposed to become the weapon for him and his people to strike back at the world. Once he lost Zeke but gained the Attack Titan, it was Grisha himself, who became the weapon his son would make use of, to strike back. Tragic irony.
Grisha isnt seeing Eren, grisha has been experiencing memories from our current eren, which is that eren is viewing grisha's memories. Therefore grisha is seeing himself from Eren's POV. like a trippy out of body experience. Eren isnt manipulating the past, these events have always just....been....its creepy to experience
Wait what? Damn that's creepy
It's like seeing yourself from your Astral Projection
it's been eren all along
well he is technically manipulating the past if he's sending his memories to the past.. you're wrong.
@@agungrizqy6245 it would be a paradox if Eren actually change the past, but the past was always like this.
"Nothing has changed, only your perception". Eren cant change the past because it already happened. Eren got mad at his father's memory of the royal family telling them to just sit down and get hell. That was totally new to eren, seeing that memory, he acted and told his father to fight. You see? nothing changed, time has never changed, eren and us spectators have seen that memory for the first time, so eren acted. Is like harry poter going back to his past and finding out he is the chosen, he waited for a savior that was supposed to be his father but he never came, so potter had to step in and block that shadow. Nothing changed.
Why did eren need to do this tho?
@@TheYoungMuTe depends of what you are asking, if you ask, why did eren told his father to fight, was because that is what eren think is right, and we all know how persistent he is when he thinks something is right. If the question is, why he is doing all this as to be the main villain, that is something that only eren and manga readers know xD, only thing i can tell you is that if erens father saw the future, i think eren can see his future as well.
@@fuego786 ya, i see the beauty in this scene but i was thinking more driving the plot forward because he already has his titan powers, so what happened in the past did happen. Ive only read two chapters ahead, and eren thanks zeke for bringing him there but i just dont see the actual reason.
@@ddreamer789 nah i get that. I mean more in the practical sense cuz he already has his titan powers. I still love this episode but time travel stuff ive just never been a fan
@@TheYoungMuTe well, there has to be a reason, and we might see it later. eren knows that reason for sure.
Eren was the kind of son Grisha wished Zeke was like during their days in Marley. Now he realized how terrifying that idea could actually be.
Grisha's VA acted his soul out in this episode. It's amazing.
That's a great way to think of it.
Nah eren is too much. Zeke had he not have royal blood he wouldn’t be as wild as Eren
The part where grisha says, “please, stop eren” gave me chills because it shows that the entire story flips to where Eren is the main antagonist almost making Zeke the protagonist this entire time
Eren can’t be the antagonist ☠️
@@playboiii1657 why can’t he🤔
@@hisnameisbass6405 an antagonist is the character that opposes the main character, they can’t be the same person. A more fitting title would be that eren is the villain in the story not the antagonist
@@playboiii1657 okay villain then but technically eren opposes zeke who is also a main character which is why i said they switch roles almost
@@hisnameisbass6405 nah eren still is THE main character Zeke is just another very important character but not the main
To explain the future memories bit, the power of the Attack Titan is the power to send memories from its future inheritors back to its past inheritors. That makes it unique from other Titans which can only see memories from the past. The thing with the future memory transfer is that you can't send future memories back to your past self, since the AT only has to power to send the future memories to its past inheritors. There's a loophole, however, which Eren has exploited. If you send future memories to a past inheritor, and then unlock the past memory of that inheritor seeing those future memories, you see your own future memories.
Grisha isn't actually seeing Eren. He's seeing himself in the 3rd person from Eren's pov, thus hearing what Eren is saying. It's the same with Zeke, Grisha only sees Zeke when Eren is directly looking at Zeke. When Eren kissed Historia, he unlocked the last of Grisha's memory of Future Eren sending him the future. Thus Eren learned of events which would occur in the future.
wat
What a mind fuck
This is so confusing and cool at the same time
This actually makes sense now and Eren is a fucking genius.
This is not an innate ability of the Attack Titan. The only reason AT inheritors can see future memories is because of Eren, the coordinate, who can send these memories into the past.
Eren whispered in Isayama's ear and told him to write this story
On a serious note, it's really scary how Grisha, someone who was so anti-Marley and pro-Eldia, saw one glimpse of Eren's plan and was like, "Zeke. You have to stop him." Despite Grisha's hate for Marley and how far he was willing to go, even HE thought his plan was too far. He was genuinely horrified. Whatever Eren's plan is, Grisha does not want it to happen.
Speaking of, Zeke and Grisha finally getting to work out their issues and hug each other in a moment of pure love is really heartwarming. Grisha understood his mistakes when raising Zeke before. Instead of only treating him as a tool, he treats him as his son. Zeke is finally able to take his first step towards closure after years of trauma. Even if they had their differences, Grisha and Zeke can at least agree with one thing: Stopping Eren.
I've seen you comment this on a lot of channels.
@@gryphon4150 copy and paste, kind-of lazy imo
Eren to Isayama: "Isayama-san, you will take this pen. How Dad's story went, no...how MY story went."
Isayama: "Eren, please, no..."
Eren: "Draw... Just draw... Keep drawing... Keep drawing forward... You cannot stop. Keep drawing forward..."
And yet he passes on the attack titan to Eren
@@ThunderDragonRandy I miss seeIng this kind of jokes when this chapter released XD And now anime only's can also relate and understand
zeke thought grisha brainwashed eren but actually eren brainwashed grisha lmao.
Don't worry. No time travel. Just Grisha seeing the future memories of his future inheritor (which is Eren). He's seeing future Eren's memory of looking at his past memories.
What?? can you explain in longer lil bit
@@mrcristoito which part?
@Mr Cristo Grisha is seeing the the scene though erens view. It's like seeing in 3rd person.
I love it when you pause and express your thoughts!
Your interpretation is right. Nothing really changes. The past, present and future has already been written. Any 'changes' being made have already been part of the original timeline in the first place and aren't really changes.
Eren always manipulated Grisha to kill the Reiss family, there was never an alternate timeline where he didn't. The timeline of AoT is deterministic.
Let's put it this way, if there are multiple cycle of timeline, during the first or second cycle, such changing the past thing is possible, however for cycle of timeline we are seeing in AoT is the definitely beyond thr initial few cycle, but the finalised and stablised cycle of timeline after all possible changes can already included in at least their previous few timeline.
@@JeusAlprime108 that isn't the case. This is a deterministic timeline that contains causal loops, like OC said.
@@sreenivas6071 Bro, I'm not saying it is not a deterministic timeline, neither I'm explain about what is deterministic time, instead I'm trying to provide a hypothesis of How a deterministic timeline is formed when free will does existed as well, and how they(free will and destiny) are not contradicting each other?
@@sreenivas6071 For your better understanding, we need to be on the same page in regard of the 5th dimension. We human are 4th dimension being who we can onlu perceived 3 dimension of space and 1 dimension of time, and via memories we could perceived that 1 dimension of time as timeline or a time thread.
However when we need to discuss about timeloop, it is actually involved the 5th dimension of time which I might interpret it as "time area", just like a piece of fabric that piece together with many time thread. In the application in our real world, it is like every single second or milisecond of initial timeline move on, there is a new timeline started as well. So when we talk about time travel or sending memories to the past, it is not sending to our existing timeline but the following timeline that start later than ours. That's what Avenger Endgame utilised in their setting.
So free will does existed in the initial timeline where no pre-written destiny or script existed for them to follow, metaphorically, it is like when the film being edit or book being wrote, that's when the initial timeline begin, and what happen when we read or watch this video or book is when the second or n-th time this time line begin, and all non-initial timeline are deterministic timeline, you got me? Because all the following timeline is just repeating what had already happen in the initial timeline.
So when a interuption happen for eg. Attack Titan future memory things, it will affect the following timeline and causes changes in that few timeloop, however after several timeloop and several changes happen, it will eventually settle down just like water ripple and formed our known deterministic timeline again. That's what I am suggesting how AoT deterministic timeline formed even though the free will of Eren did existed as well but only during the initial timeline of the interuption of future memory happen, what we see in this AoT story now is after that initial timeline where free will has did his job and recorded and repeating in this timeline.
Actually in Matrix Reload, the Oracle had said something like this to Neo, "Because you didn't come here to make the choice, you've already make it. You are here try to understand WHY you make it". This is one of the classic interpretation of how the following timeline reenacting what free will in the inital timeline has decided. And that formed deterministic timeline we seen because the choice and free will had did their job in the initial timeline, and we in the following timeline are merely here to understand why we make it.
Sorry for the long essay explaining my logic but it seems like you are unable to comprehend my brief explaination in my first comment. So for you to get my points correctly, I have no choice but to elaborate it to such length.
so basically eren manipulated his dad by making him believe that doing everything eren wanted we'll be good for eldians and promised carla's safety with fragments and specific memories but in the end he understood the function of the attack titan and that ""eren isn't showing him everything for a reason"" the moment grisha say that, eren show him the rest of his memories, he see zeke, apology and ask him to stop eren.
This is the simplest explanation that does the most to get a grasp I think. Well said
well said
i understand all of that, but why did grisha then stil go through with giving eren the attack titan?
@@diegogonzalezvazq the man basically went through a mental break. I don't think he was thinking about anything except what was being brought forth in his mind by Eren. At the end of the day, the brainwashing came from Eren
@@unknownstormtrooper5735 that makes a lot of sense acc. Eren was probably sending him a shit ton of memories constantly, and it was messing with his mind. It doesn’t make sense to think that at that point he would think rationally. It’d make more sense that eren did brainwash him through showing him bits and pieces of his memories, but not enough to make him go back on what he had been basically told to do. For example something like whether Carla would be safe,
When Eren says he's always been this way, he's not talking about his emotional disposition. As he says, he's always fought for freedom. If someone tries to take his freedom away or the freedom of those he loves, he will retaliate and take their freedom first. That's why they're showing the flashback where he kills Mikasa's kidnappers. He emphasized this to show he's always been this way, it wasn't Grisha that forced him to be this way. He was never "acting".
if youve read the manga with the school spin off, at the end eren is utterly bored with life, much like child eren in the first epsiode before the wall was broken. then, school eren has a dream where the school has been infested with zombies (subbed for titans) and realizes that if he cant fight for freedom, then he will destroy and create a new world where he can fight for freedom.
Every time Grisha sees old Zeke and Eren, he was looking from Eren's perspective, since he was seeing future memories of Eren. Meaning that Grisha can see himself on third person view. Every time he sees Zeke, eren is standing behind him so he has a clear view of Zeke.
Mappa really missed an opportunity to make it clear how the Grisha-Eren memory/paths perception works. More could've been done with the direction of this episode in general I think, but it seems that it was the victim of the content that episodes 3 and 5 have to adapt. I can only assume this episode was treated as a lesser priority.
But hey, at least there's an army of fans to explain things in the comments.
@@Greyscale11 I would say the did a fine job simce the whole manga is also like this. Altho its true they could have made it bettter by expanding on it
That’s kinda scary
Grisha doesn't see Eren, he only sees himself and Zeke when Eren looks at them in the paths.
@@beanburritozz3044 yes this is right. He sees himself instead
Eren killed 3 people at 9 years old with no remorse. That’s literally 4th grade. Eren has always been this way as he said. Remember his seizure in the fight with Annie saying he’ll rip her to bits?
He also said when fighting Annie that he will destroy the world.
Then again the manga ending contradicts it
Really? Dude stop talking about the ending let’s not spoil anyone let everyone decide for themselves
@@neyte7313 can you people shut up already
@@neyte7313 It only depends on interpretation and if you really want to see Eren as a pathetic asshole, you'll find reasons to think like this. But those who see Eren in different way will find valid reasons to think like this as well. It seems like the second group puts more time and effort in trying to understand Eren as a whole. Just saying.
Stuff of note:
- Grisha saying "my children", meaning he thinks of Mikasa as his child too
- Rod legging it out of there before his family even sobers up lol
Bro isayama's writing is so poetic. The royal family founding titans is bound by a past king controlling the future actions and the attack titans are being bound by a future eren to controlling the actions of the past. So insane bruh. can't wait to see the ending
You won't be able to see it end as they are not ending it in this season.
They are making a movie after this season
Theory that both are manifestation of Ymir desire.
bruuhh the Eren power is just the big plot armor
@@mrcristoito no it's not a plot armour lmao
everything was influenced by eren as after a certain future eren will get founding titan where he used it to transcends time and share memories of him having the memories of grisha having the memories of kruger having his past owners and so on and his memories ofc to send everyone a certain memories of future to past to manipulate them to make sure everything happen that had happened in the past ... Eren achieved to send some fragments of memories to his past self ( of him manupilating grisha and of some rumbling moments) via grisha memories to ensure his past self to do everything to make sure rumbling happens .... It's a fixed timeline concept ik your brain can't handle this but it's okay...... It's not a time travel it's memory travel manupilation to ensure future that eren wants ..
Without hax he Manipulated his friends to kill him , jeagerist to support, Marley and survey corps to unite to fight against him , and pretty much every characters action like Zeke Gabi floch and more.
Eren is NOT trying to change the future, he is trying to follow the future he sees to make sure he gets the outcome he is suppose to get
you didnt read the chapter 139
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And Eren make the worst future for no reason
He only kill 80 percent of human for no fuckin reasons
And paradis is destroyed by the 20 percent of human
So the result is no freedom
No one free
That's why the ending sucks
@@mixel8 so basically it sucks because it's not for your liking? 😂
@@mixel8 no one cares your opinion
@@UnlimitedMichi The entire story is made pointless, so yeah it sucks
This episode is an acid trip and it just keeps getting better and better you are not ready for what's to come next
At least its finaly over, AoT is such overhyped borefest.
You have never gone to an acid trip didn’t you¿
@@henriklarssen1331 awhhh someones a little jealous huh? :*
@@henriklarssen1331 It deserves the hype tbh
2:06 "That's a horrible realization". Except Eren was lying. He doesn't think that. That's why he just so quickly says he's free of the brainwashing immediately after he just told Zeke he would never agree to the sterilization plan. And Grisha isn't someone who'd do that.
So in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here.
AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's almost impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen.
The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past?
Well, he had 3 perfect conditions:
1. He had the ability of the Attack Titan
2. The ability of the Founding Titan
3. He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke.
After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror.
Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time.
So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time.
Also Note that everytime, Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from actually due to the memories from Eren's POV
Another thing to add:
Eren did NOT see everything in the future. Eren only saw CRUCIAL moments in the future, for example, he saw Pieck pointing a gun at him when he kissed Historia’s hand 4 years ago, this is why he was so calm when she threatened to shoot him, because Eren KNEW she wouldn’t shoot him. However, Eren DIDN’T know that Porco was going to try to eat him just a couple of minutes later. Even Eren doesn’t know EVERYTHING that will happen.
Also, this isn’t my comment, I did not make this, ALL CREDIT GOES TO u/Skyclad_Observer
Man, I was really confused thanks for the clarification 😁✌️✨
So in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here.
AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's almost impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen. This calls into the question of the existence of free will in the world of Attack of Titan.
The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past?
Well, he had 3 perfect conditions:
1. He had the ability of the Attack Titan
2. The ability of the Founding Titan
3. He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke.
After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror.
Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time.
So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time.
Also Note that everytime, Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from actually due to the memories from Eren's POV
The best explanation I've seen of this on any platform
@@nottengen9178 it's a copy paste from reddit
How can the phisical contact be explained with this theory?
@@Ay_Gee_I and its still a good explanation to be honest.
@@Ay_Gee_I yeah it is but it still helps ppl to understand the ep better
Delighted to see you get to this point in the story. I appreciate how much you empathize with Grisha and how you see Eren like a villain now. What a twist. :)
I think is first person who think everythink right!! Thats brains of yours is brilliant bro!
The way we saw Eren in season 1 was not acting. He simply always had a serious murderous and hateful side and also a kind, loving and childish side. He is caring with his friends but hateful with those who try to take his freedom. people can have more then one side to them. The normal Eren and the serious one are the same person and just 2 sides of the same coin.
This is legit Aizen, Lelouch levels of plot manipulation. This is excellent writing
This is exactly a plan i would expect from Lelouch or Light
The Unholy Trifecta of Future Planning and Manipulation.
And all 3 Series turned bad, pretty fitting.
@@henriklarssen1331 cg never really turn bad
The events were befitting, the ending was spectacular
@@callmeweeb4350 it become bad when lelouch made that stupid mistake with the Princess and the genocide its a dumb show, (the ending was the only good part and is now ruined because the movie)
The Attack Titan's memories exists all at the same time which means no matter who the inheritor is, they know what happened or what's gonna happen unless the future inheritor has blocked some memories that can be seen by the past. Ultimate mindfuck.
YESSSS!! I’ve been waiting for you to see this since you started AOT!
Man how have I not followed your reaction videos until now. Listening to you making good observations, and come up with plausible ideas/predictions, whether or not they come close or completely miss the mark. And doing all of this while watching the episode for the first time? Instant subscribe from me even before finishing the video.
Kruger saying "Who's memories are those?" blows my mind even more now
When eren said "ive always been this way" he meant that he was always someone that desired freedom and that was not due to his fathers influence, but you seemed to have taken that sentence and ran in a whole different direction with it.
Exactly. He literally spelled it in this episode: If anyone tries to steal my freedom, I am gonna steal theirs first. Back then it was those 2-3 murderers that killed Mikasa's mom, now it's the entire fucking world.
Yeah he said Eren wasn’t like he was when he saved mikasa but he was except his enemy for a while was the titans and not humans but he’s always willing to do everything to get freedom
Yeah, Eren's surface mannerisms have changed because he ages and matures. But his fundamental drive and vision for his life has never changed. His motivation. That's what Eren means.
@@colintimko0874 the only reason he thought eren was normal in seasons 1 2 and 3 was because his murderous intent was directed towards titans. But in reality eren has always been exactly like this.
@@giantenemycrab1192 yeah that’s basically what I meant it’s easier for someone to be on erens side and see him as normal when the enemies are unknown monsters so I can see why people would view him as “normal”
very important
the future attack titan user is actively giving memories. the previous holders don’t just get to see stuff.
Eren was SENDING memories to his father. Specific memories.
And here's the grand reveal that shocked even the manga readers to their core: While Erwin, Grisha, the King, Eldians, Marleyans, Zeke, everyone else was playing Chess, Eren was out there playing 4D Chess on 3 different boards against 2 enemies on each board.
he was setting up the players so they play his games
There's still the part about him controlling dina's titan to eat his mother ... it's gonna be mind-blowing when this chapter gets animated
And he was doing it even before he was born (because of what Eren Kruger said before passing the Attack Titan to Grisha).
@@imranmaghraoui4492 Dude, please edit the spoiler.
@@imranmaghraoui4492 what the fuck is this really a spoiler god damn it
Zeke: “Eren, I will save you from Grisha’s manipulation.”
Eren: “You thought I was manipulated but actually IT WAS ME, EREN who’s manipulating.
im absolutely surprised that this man has watched this entire show and seemingly picked up 1/3 of all the information in the series, its like hes sitting there immersed in it yet hes not consuming anything
SnK is at it's best with moments like this. Just clever writing and the subverting of expectations. No one saw this coming in the manga and what will come next. The fighting and the like is fine but it's superb character work and world building that makes it near perfect.
Hang on ladies and gents, it's just getting started!
And then it stole it’s ending from another anime
@@nsampone3 f*ck code garbage and his Light Yagami ripoff stickman protagonist.
@@nsampone3 I heard a rumor anime ending will be different from manga
We can prolly all agree that Yeager Family is the best written Family in Animanga.
AJ, Memories of the Future - the highest form of entertainment and one of the greatest twists in any fictional story EVER.
Manga readers have been through this pain and had kept everything for years. Now it's being revealed i feel like crying.
To explain things clear:
- attack Titan can see memories of future users
-originally grisha didn’t want to kill but eren persuaded him to
- since grisha can see eren’s memories, (eren is the user after grisha) grisha is basically seeing himself, but in eren’s POV, which means grisha is aware that eren was watching him, which is why he was shouting if he was happy about his decision. If you watch closely in the episode you can notice in some scenes it looks like grisha was staring at eren right at the face (when grisha told younger eren about the key to the basement).
I gotta agree with Eren on this one. Destroying an entire race just because you're scared of their power is villain logic.
Nor sacrificing your own race (by sterilizing it), makes you a hero/messiah... Even if Jelena would certainly shoot me for badmouthing Zeke.
What Eren is doing is also villain logic though (punish everyone indiscriminately... its literally a purge not better at all than sterilizing everyone... at least you don't smash anyone)
That's exactly what Eren wants to do though, except he wants to destroy every other race (including a lot of his own) because he's scared of their power. He's the villain.
@@TequilaToothpick He is more an anti-villain. He is forced to do this as its the only way he can save himself and the people close to him. Yes it isn't morally correct but it is his only option. Does he let all his people be killed/enslaved/euthanized or does he destroy the enemy albeit with heavy losses of people on his side who will largely be people he doesn't care about? Marley are the aggressors, they are 100% villains, yeah they aren't all bad but the military has committed lots of war crimes.
The only good side is the scouts.
@@giantenemycrab1192 I think Eren is so powerful he could do anything, this isn't his only option.
Before starting the video, I wanna say this episode is just peak fiction, and I'm glad it got adapted rightfully, and that you finally got to see it. MAPPA good, I will throw hands over this.
To be Honest, I think Wit Studio would have done better. Not that I have any problems with this episode, still a peak fiction episode to me.
For me, the attack titan's power were first experienced by Eren Kruger, first understood by Grisha and Used first by Eren Jeager
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and eren never receive any memories from his processor because he has none
@@Farisss11 Exactly
Such a GOATED reaction 😮 this series can be terrifying sometimes
Terrifying bad, thats true.
I can't believe we finally made it to this episode. By the end, I was freakin' shaking. But, yeah, Grisha is seeing through Eren's eyes. Which is why Grisha looks so unsettled whenever he turned to look back towards Eren. Next Episode=Origin Episode!!!!!!!!
How do people get invested into such trash? Jeez are you guys all so young and havent seen anything good, sad sad.
@@henriklarssen1331 why did you comment on a video about it. Is your life that boring?
Grisha was giving himself a pep talk through Eren's eyes, using Eren's words and voice is the easiest way to explain it. Grisha is basically experiencing two versions of the same moment. One from Grisha's eyes, and one from Eren's eyes
the future memories was hinted at in season 3, when kruger was talking to grisha, he mentioned armin and mikasa, who didn’t even exist yet
When Grisha sees the door and is seeing Eren, it's something you can actually notice in the first episode of Season 1. Grisha isn't looking at young Eren, but rather invisible Adult Eren. You can go check it out in that episode.
That is fucking amazing
He is actually looking at himself through Eren's view. He just know that Eren is here.
they don't show this in anime (i've check this right after watching this ep) but they show it in manga
Manga chapter 1 is much more clear
@@Teuwufel this is correct. Grisha never sees Eren, he only sees himself and Zeke when Eren is looking at him.
Very good! One of the rare anime only viewers that really got it!
This writing is masterpiece 😍😍 everything connects to one another can't wait for future episodes
i hope more reactions notice that baby Eren saw older Eren and Zeke in the door. That really shook me when I saw it the first time
When you realize it was king fritz vs eren jeager since both of them controls frieda and Grisha
Imagine being haunted by the ghosts of your son from the future, seeing long haired Eren every time you kiss your baby boy.
This episode had me go on a rant for about an hour that this is what Game of Thrones was supposed to do in the final season with Brandon Stark and never did…
ERENs literally T posing on Zeke at the end 😂
All I ever wanted to do was do right things
I never wanted to be the king
All I ever wanted to do was save your life
I never wanted to grab a knife
op hits different after seeing this episode
When eren says he was always like this he takes about his resolve to fight with everything he has for his and his friends freedom. What changed is his attitude and this from the moment when he kissed hsitorias hand and saw the memories of his father. And he saw all the memoriees his futur self gave to his father. This why he had this disgusted and terrified look. And he had the exacte same expression after sasha was killed and he asked what her last word were, because he had already seen this memory and this moment confirms that every thing he saw that day were 100% coming true.
I feel u so much 😂 i reacted exactly the same. I cant wait for another week 😩😩. After this episode i thought about reading the Manga cause i want to know what happens sooo bad
Eren has presence in the room, it's fantastic what he's become character wise. He's always been an unstoppable force, but now that fact is inescapable
I actually got tears watching this ep
I dont think Eren is a villain. He only did what he needed to secure titan power that he has. War was caused by Marley actions on people who had no memory of previous war. So I still consider them as bad guys. Not until Eren do something unthinkable like destroying entire World. Now we see him walking emotionless written path, based on his childhood emotions. This could make Eren a villain in the end, but show still didnt ended...
You can have a villainous protagonist.
Your reactions were exactly like man had me cracking up 🤣🤣
eren hasnt changef. just matured
yeah, matured. lmao
love you AJ Rich', tomorrow I and my family will celebrate Chinese New Year and wish you have a happy new year
OK SO TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS MEAN "I'm always been the same since the moment i was birth"
In season 1 we see Eren kills two people without HESITATE, Eren from the beginning have this nature "If someone still my freedom, i never hesitate to take their" And in this final season we see Eren don't hesitate to attacking liberio, his nature always been like this from the beginig. It's just us as the audience who missundertood by Eren's heroic story in the first season, but the truth is that Eren never had the character of a hero. Eren from the beginning always been like this and this is the beauty of Eren's character writting
here's the ironic : attack titan inheritors can only glimpse the memories of many future inheritors to the last Attack titan , they see awful things they want to changes it but in the end all of their action was lead to the same result
it's just Inevitable
Grisha: I am a doctor, I can't kill kids!
Eren: Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Still team Eren?
People went from praising him for double crossing zeke last episode to Griesha telling Zeke to stop Eren lmao
You will do the same thing if the whole world is trying to kill you, your family and your friends
@@Votingcenter I didnt say what Erens intentions were.
Im just saying people loved him for being pure heart and stuff and it turns out he was a manipulator since the start, actually a villian lol
Would i back stab and manipulate everyone I ever known like Eren did to get the founders powers? Debaitable, But to do what he's planning? Just shoot me
@@Mistyfgdf " Would i back stab and manipulate everyone I ever known like Eren did to get the founders powers? "
He never wants the Founding titan power, all he wants is to make sure mikasa and his crewmate(family) to be safe
@@Votingcenter Honestly seeing eren manipulate everyone even his dad
Going back to the scene Eren talking to Mikasa and Armin, I think he was real, he doesnt give a shit about them, it's his free will
does he even care about "family" lol
imma leave this comment chain now, a mofo will try spoiling probably
@@Mistyfgdf have u not see eren was looking at kid mikasa in the memory???
Imagine being traumatised by your dad, just traumatise him back.
Is basically not changing the past, BUT SEEIN IT. AND ALWAYS ALL THE ATTACK TITAN INHERITORS RECEIVED THE MEMORIES FROM THE POV OF THE CONTROLLER, WICH IN THIS CASE IS EREN.
"Shingeki no Kyojin can glimpse into the memories" Grisha told to kings family. First 3 seasons was "Attack on titan", yet now it's "The Attack titan"
Gabi almost save the world last episode
Gabi = The heroine that ALMOST saved the world...but Eren wouldn't allow it.
Absolute masterpiece.
“Err.. have I been to here before?” Eren, S3E6
“I was lucky enough to be the only survivor from the massacre.” Rob Reiss, S3E6
“If you want to save Mikasa, Armin and everyone else, you must complete your mission.” The Owl, S3E21
“My hand can still feel the way that my dad massacred the royal kids.” Eren, S4E19
The biggest plot twist finally revealed. Grisha, from the very beginning, was never “the real one” to kill the royal family. Some ppl may think Eren changed the past or time travel, no he didn’t, his manipulation to Grisha was included in the past. Neither past nor future could be changed in AOT. It has a fixed timeline.
And the the attack titan ability, it actually does not foresight the future. It can receive brief memories from the future inheritor. How Eren knows his own future is the adult Eren sends memories back to his father, then when young Eren touches any royal, the memories will kind of unlock, so young Eren can see his future self from his father memories. Also the freedom seeking will from AT, is from Eren as every AT shifter follows will of the last AT.
Plus when Grisha told Eren that he would show him the truth in the basement, in the manga chapter 1 AKA S1E1, it didn’t show which Eren Grisha talked to, it just showed Grisha’s talking with a “scary” face.
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Great explanation
my brain is exploded after this episode. This is SOMETHING beyond grandfather paradox and butterfly effect (@_@!)
I mean i still would not say Eren is the villian. He still has understantable motives to do that, like everyone. If Eren would not have send that memories to Grisha, the Reiss family would be alive, and the future of the eldians would be just death. Dont forgett that. Sure Eren did a really really terrible thing there, but just to save his own and the whole eldians.
Its easy to say as a Watcher that he is a villian, but to be honest, i would have done the same in this situation... just humanity to try to save his own and the people that he loves. For sure if u remember Eren Kruger words "To save Armin and Mikasa".. and thats why i love AoT, there is no classic good vs. evil. Hero vs. Villian. EVERYONE has understantable motives.. everyone can be hated and loved at the same time.
Stop with the whole Eldians things guys... Eren cares about Paradis NOT the Eldians, he doesn't give two shit about the Eldians all over the world.
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So in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here.
AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's almost impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen. This calls into the question of the existence of free will in the world of Attack of Titan.
The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past?
Well, he had 3 perfect conditions:
1. He had the ability of the Attack Titan
2. The ability of the Founding Titan
3. He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke.
After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror.
Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time.
So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time.
Also Note that everytime, Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from actually due to the memories from Eren's POV
When Eren kissed Historia's hand, what he really saw wasn't just Grisha talking to Frieda, but his older self convincing his father to do it when Grisha nearly gave up, that's what freaked him out so much after kissing her hand, after that we can only assume he's been getting various flashes of the future that we as the audience aren't privy to yet; we don't know how far his foresight goes, or how complete it is
One key part he saw was Sashas death. That's why he asked Connie about her last words. That's why he broke down when he confirmed she said meat. It confirmed to Eren that the future be saw is set.
@@dustingrimmmagic1067 Yes
All this time Zeke thought that Grisha was brainwashing them.Turns out Eren was the one who's brainwashing their dad and maybe all the attack titan inheritors
Eren is the real villain
The world is*
@@bp4_archive nah bro erens a villan. Idk what his reasons were or why he did what he did. He kills billions of innocent people he didn't have to kill, erens a villan.
@@Skibbutz then what if eren doesn’t kill them? Paradis will get destroyed, so you still call this “innocent”?
@@bp4_archive totally agree
@@Votingcenter He is still a villain. This is the problem with you guys. Yes he has good intentions, but his methods are what makes him a villain. You can respect that he did these for his friends, but you should never justify his actions because no matter. You can't even call him an anti-hero, he is more of an anti-villain.
Moral of the story: you keep moving forward no matter what. You'll see people dying in the future, but you have to keep pushing. Dwelling in the past and feeling guilt won't help you.
I seriously don't understand how anyone could support Eren's actions. I've read the manga and it's just unbelievable to me. People who act like he's a savior or something like that are just crazy.
He literally wants to save his friends . . . By killing everyone excluding him and his friends. That’s something no one should root for. Saving his friends? Cool. By killing everyone? Not cool.
A long time ago, I read some spoilers that something like that would happen, and I stopped watching the anime mid season 3.
You would never understand someone when you haven’t gone through what someone’s gone through it’s easy to say something from a 3rd person point of view wrong yes but what would you do in that said person’s position
@@Bobimk bruh
Damn imagine wanting to fight the people that want to exterminate your people
grisha doesn't see everything, he only sees what eren lets him see. what eren needs him to see for his plan to unfold
Eren can't see the memories of the future owners because there are none. 🤭
Notice all the bird symbolism. The Attack Titan has always fought for freedom. The past Attack Titans can get visions from future ones. Eren always wanted to be free, even before he inherited his father's titans. That's what Eren means by "what he's always been." Somebody who seeks true freedom and hates being caged/restricted, not just for himself, but for everyone he loves. I also think this episode gives a deeper meaning to the OP lyrics "I never wanted to grab a knife"
Eren was born to be an Attack Titan, and in this episode we see how Eren influenced the past, because he succeeded to reach the coordinate with Zeke. Had he not reached the coordinate, none of these memories he's sending back in time would've been created to begin with. A very trippy mindfuck of the circle of time. Grisha is seeing memories from Eren's viewpoint, so without knowing how, he knows Eren succeeds in his mission. I imagine how terrifying it would be to see a memory of someone looking at/speaking to you, knowing that because you have this memory, you are powerless to stop it.
Also, Episode 1 was titled "To you, 2000 years from now", next episode is titled "From you, 2000 years ago". The lore is about to go even deeper.
Everyone's brain was fried after watching (or reading) this xD.
eren is the son grisha wanted outside of the walls and zeke is the son grisha wanted inside the walls, to summarise.
The thing about time is: Its connected thru the paths. Remember that time is basically stopped there? Past, Present, Future. Its all there as one
Eren is technically trying to say he is gonna do the "RUMBLING" sooner than later.
The thing that scared me most is that
Eren's T posing soulless eyes ..... 👀
Grisha saw Eren's memory of the future of Eren going back into the past memories, so Eren was able to directly communicate with Grisha by showing him his memories in real time to give Grisha a third person perspective on his actions. Eren unlocked Grisha's memories when he kissed Historia's hand, and he saw through Grisha's eyes as Grisha saw through Eren's eyes, letting Eren see his own future and allowing Eren to share as many memories as he wanted with his past self. From that moment on, Eren knew the future and the path that he had no choice but to walk. We see him constantly looking for outs, and finding none. This is the path he always must take.
Love your reactions! Time can become a big issue in story telling, very good analysis and thoughts :) can't wait to see more!
Eren joins "It's all according to keikaku" group with Aizen and Light
when eren said "i've always been like this since birth" they showed the scene where he killed the two kidnappers, that proves his point, eren is both as we used to know him in the first couple seasons, and what we have forgotten of him, that single detail. he's not lying.