HI-FI Spotify & Apple Music STREAMING for BEGINNERS (1/2)
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📳 Hi-Fi Spotify & Apple Music for BEGINNERS ⬅️ Part 2
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0:00 Intro
3:06 MacBook Air (Spotify Connect)
6:47 Raspberry Pi (Spotify Connect / Apple Music + AirPlay)
11:43 Xiaomi Mi Box S (Spotify Connect / Apple Music + Chromecast)
14:07 Gapless playback
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"hifi Spotify"
If only Spotify hi-fi finally would come out
Spotify here in Australia has "very high" on the premium accounts which is 320kbps, was only released recently
yeah, I'm waiting for that too :)
i am just baited for Spotify HiFi
You can also stream with your Apple device via Airport Express.
I jumped to Deezer
What a breath of fresh air . Basic advice with great perspective. UA-camr audio content is so often absurdly complex and niche. This is Gold John
First rule of Darko Club - never close the tab until you hear the eye pops.
Haha love it
Loved the video, please do keep doing the beginner friendly content alongside your reviews etc.
The beginner stuff is what encouraged me to put together my first hi-fi system, so thank you!
Your channel is so very enjoyable, John. Keep up the great work.
I'll never understand why Google stopped producing Chromecast Audio. I have one connected to my speakers and is perfect for this. Small, easy to install. Thanks for the video, great as always!
I agree. Such a simple, easy to use device which sounds great for the price. I still have a couple in my house acting as Roon endpoints, one connected to a Morel powered speaker and one to my Denon AV receiver because it sounds better than using the receiver itself as an endpoint.
Chromecast Audio is a magic little puk. I tried Apple Music with my android phone and it actually works with the Chromecast Audio
I ended up replacing my Chromecasts with Amazon Echos that are connect to my various amplifiers. I have been very please with the results and, obviously, the convenience is great. Spotify Connect, Amazon, anything you tell her to play!
Plus it had optical output
Probably because not enough Google Chromecast Audio devices were being sold. I have one connected to a Sonos setup.
I have two Sonos 5s and a Sonos sub in a spare bedroom. Each Sonos 5 has a stereo input jack. On the left Sonos 5 I have a stereo jack coming in from a 4K television. The left Sonos will then pull out the "right channel" from this stereo input and that over to the Sonos 5 acting as the right channel.
But on the right Sonos 5 I have a Chromecast Audio plugged in. Like the latter, the left channel is pulled from this input (Chromecast Audio) and sent to the left Sonos.
The reason I have the Chromecast Audio is because it allows me to send audio from an Android device to the Sonos system. Specifically something NOT involving Spotify et al. I can pull up Google Home and then choose to "mirror audio." So anything landing on the Android device is sent to the Chromecast Audio. Any audio from any app landing on the Android device is sent over to the Sonos (a la Airplay situation for an iPhone user).
Some might say, "Why not use the TV?" Well because I bring up www.SomaFM.com on Google Chrome on the Android device and pick a music stream. No other way to get those streams to the Sonos unless I use an iPhone with Airplay to the Sonos. Without Chromecast Audio, there's simply no way to get those music streams (from SomaFM.com) to the Sonos from an Android device. Spotify Connect has no context in the latter. Years ago SomaFM did have an Android app but they abandoned it ages ago and strangely it never supported Chromecast while for a time the SomaFM app on iOS did(!!!).
Now there is the option of attaching a conventional Chromecast Video device to the TV and mirroring to that, but now the TV has to be on. Might be OK in some situations but can also spoil the mood if you want to listen to music in the dark and chill (a situation I find myself often with that particular room in the summer). With some TVs you can turn the video panel off (but the TV is still ON) which is great for music listening. All Sony TVs allow this. However that's not the case with the Hisense U8G in the room with the Sonos system.
When I bought the Chromecast Audio from BEST BUY a couple of years ago (or whenever they stopped selling it) it was literally the last one they had on the shelves. In fact as I went to pay for it, the cashier asked me if I really wanted the Chromecast Audio - "Perhaps he really wants the Chromecast video device?" was his thinking. "Nope, this is what I want" I told him.
Great video John.
One of the things I love about the audio community is our desire to help people on their own individual audio journey. This video is critical to helping neophytes improve their experience and enjoyment of music.
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I'm very new to the world of streaming, so "beginner" videos like this are incredibly useful learning tools for me. I'm discovering so much about hi-fi generally from your content, so thanks very much and keep 'em coming!
If you have an Apple TV and some kind of home theater system, you can stream Apple Music. There is an app on Apple TV to allow for the music streaming. You don’t have to have a home theater the music will just come out of the TV speakers. It is a great way to access a whole world of music.
Glad to see a very empathetic approach to getting into high-end audio-just discovered your channel and I'm loving it.
I was really confused about streaming music as I grew up with vinyl, cassettes and then cd's. My solution a couple of years ago was to buy a Yamaha rn803d. This allows me to stream music from a bunch of providers and the amp has around 23 inputs in it. I can still listen to all my vinyl, cassettes and cd's but it has helped educate me on the streaming front and has been fantastic to use. I have also been able to listen to lots of new music that I wouldn't have otherwise heard. I also think that this route was probably the simplest way to go. My previous hi fi had a valve pre, a power, a phono, record deck with separate power supply etc etc. This newer set up has 4 items...turntable/cd/cassette and amp. Always enjoy your videos. Thanks 👍
It is simple to be complicated, but complicated to “be simple”!
And you do it every time, with so much ease. Keep it up John 👍
Love using my raspberry pi with Volumio as a streamer. Thank you for that encouragement in your other videos!
AND, one of my favorite features of Spotify Connect is that you can use any device with Spotify installed as the “remote“. So, I can start playing a track on my phone, walk into the next room and continue managing my listening session from my iPad, or turn on my computer and do the same. To me, that is just about the epitome of convenience, which really, is what streaming is mostly about.
Your “back to the basics“ videos are very helpful, John. Much appreciated!
I love it when you do these "how to" videos. I'm not a beginner but found this really interesting and it gave me some ideas that I had not thought about before. Keep doing these!
oh yeah same here!
Yep
This is why I love Spotify so much. I like the way that you can control it from your phone, but your streamer is pulling it direct from the source. It also works across so many different devices.
Hi John, thank you so much for this video. It was absolutely what I needed as I am exactely that beginner you are addressing to. This helps a lot and I am already excited to watch the second part.
Thank you for making this video.
One comment about the term “streaming”: when I first started putting my system together at the beginning of the COVID pandemic, I had a really hard time distinguishing music service streaming (i.e.Tidal/Qobuz/Spotify) from ripped CD file streaming from a domestic music server. Eventually, I realized that when most people discuss “streaming,” it is in the way John discusses in this video: from a commercial service over the interwebs.
If, however, you enter the audiophile world by ripping a large CD collection (via an Innuos product) into files that you can play across your home, one also can consider that to be streaming.. It’s just a different use case and application than what John discusses here.
im fairly advanced in the audio journey, but i admire the empathy you always insist upon for _all_ the viewers. kudos.
Thanks John, very well done! I’m familiar with most of the technologies you’ve discussed, nonetheless this was very informative! 👍
I've been using Raspberry Pis for years, but thank you for making this video. The technical details can be very hard to sort through especially for beginners. It's a great service for people just dipping their toes into the world of streaming. One comment I would add is just how much of a bargain the Raspberry Pi is. The Pi itself starts around $35 in the US. You do have to take into account the cost of the USB cable (unless you are like me and have a ton of those things lying around), the AC adapter, the SD card, and a case. All in, you are still in for WAY less than $100. What else in hi-fi costs so little? And, say you pick one up and streaming music just isn't your thing? There are literally thousands of things people use these little computers for. From learning how to write code, to building robots, to making a sweet home theater PC. Make the jump! Embrace your inner geek! So much fun for so little money.
Hi! I was curious as to how much RAM is needed to use the Pi as a streamer?
Thanks for the guidance John. I’m in the process of setting up my first system and this video was a great help.
This is a great introduction to the world of streaming audio and the issues to consider.
Fantastic as usual John. Love your work!
Thank you John , i am a beginner and appreciate the simplicity 😁
Well explained as usual ! Keep up the great work John 👍🏻
A few years back I let go of my "audiophile" aspirations and parted with my Denon/paradigm based system. I needed a smaller simpler system that fit with a simpler lifestyle. At this point I am running an Nvidia Shield box for TV and Music and feeding the optical to a set of Klipsch "The Fives". Not a perfect system but an adequate & simple system that the whole family can understand and operate.
I got the same setup more or less. It was a good choice. Have you done the latest firmware update on the fives? I've been lazy 😂.
@@earlfenwick thanks for the heads up. Didn't realize that there was a 5.8.0 update. Haven't done it yet but will shortly.
Love your videos, learnt more in 1 hr than fricking around in forums. So practical and accessible. Bravo!
Very informative John. Thank you. Oh how I miss the days when I was up and down like a yo-yo playing different album tracks off different albums 😂😂
John, Perfect timing. Whilst I am techy, I’ve just entered the streaming arena so this was a great cat sat on the mat start. Thanks
Thank you, John, for being the best source of Apple Music info on the interwebs!
As always doing a good job in breaking down intio small bits for easy understanding. Love it!
Great series of videos packed with knowledge and no BS and entertaining as always. Thank you John, peace and love from Manchester.
Another great video, John. I've learnt a lot from your channel. And for non-beginners here there's the craft of the composition to enjoy.
Thank you John. The video was very helpful because even though I understand the basics I find it necessary to revisit often in case I want to change it up. I also learn something new every time.
You started me down this rabbit hole in June with your first Apple Music video. My starting system is a good pair of wired headphones and a DAC/Amp and my phone next to my couch. You also said you would rather spend $3000 on headphones than speakers 😊. Thanks. Great video as always.
Id like to say thank you for your time and knowledge... you are really helping alot of people, without making them feel like knobs...your tone and pace is perfect. Thanks again...love your channel.👏🙌
Thank you Darko. Just what I needed !
Thank you!!! I've been listening to my headphone out on my computer to powered speakers for years. I'm finally ready to venture out and get a USB DAC to listen through. Your explanation has prompted me to make the leap. I dig your channel. Steady On!
I’m very new to this as well,I friend pointed me towards your “Wowsers Bluesound Powernode “ review. After watching I was convinced this would work well for me as I’m starting from scratch. I now had the Powernode and a Tidal subscription and a pair of B&W CDM1 speakers my brother in law gave me.It’s really wonderful and I haven’t turned the TV on since acquiring it. The Kef KC62 sub is next on the shopping list.Really enjoy your content and I’m educating myself watching lots of your videos,many thanks.
I’m in the middle ground, an intermediate if you will. I really appreciate you making this content, everyone should always brush up on the basics.
Thank you for this video, it was you that got me interested in hifi, in the first place . Love your work it just keeps interested and wanting to learn more
John,
So grateful for your beginners videos. I’m a long time audiophile trying to make sense of all this digital streaming nightmare. I have a very high end 2 channel system that I’m hoping to transition from an expensive vinyl front end to a high end streaming system and will spend many thousands of dollars, I’m estimating $10K-$15K, but I want to have a firm grasp on the software and hardware before making the purchase. Without these videos I’d be lost and probably just stay with my AQ Dragonfly DAC streaming directly from my laptop or phone. Keep up the good work, us old timers appreciate the clarity you provide!
Greg
I’m so glad you explained streaming using a laptop, I bought an amp that has a digital input, & was told to hook up my pc to listen to music. I’ve have Spotify on my iPad. I’ve been using a meridian 203 dac & Cambridge audio cd2 player for years. I’m purchasing a Wimm pro to stream to my new system. I now understand that I needed to have Spotify on my laptop to use my new amp’s dak. My laptop is very old, & I’ve been using iPads since their inception. For the first time I’m listening to bookshelf speakers, after using different magnepans models since the 80’s.
I can’t thank you enough
very well explained. Thanks.
Great video brilliantly simple.Can't wait for the next one to drop.
I love the inclusive approach to hifi in these videos. It's a hobby that has far too much gate keeping.
I'd been looking for a streamer for a while and after watching the videos about the Allo Digi One I jumped in and paired it with Schiit Modi. A great combo! Now just the waiting game for Spotify Hifi! 🤣
Omg. This is exactly what I needed. Thank you!
I’m a beginner and I did not know about Spotify connect. Thank you for this most informative video!
I've watched 5 Darko videos today. Such great content
amazing video, always good too see back to basics video and clear some concepts
A good cup of joe and Darko Audio for the morning is always a pleasure
Thank you for making a truly beginner friendly video for the beginners. There are many people who would like to get to know the audiophile world but they’re discouraged by the “pros” whom I’d call the keyboard warriors. This is very easy to understand, I’m excited for the next one! 🤓
Love the back to basics vids coming up John!! Nice to go back and learn all over again. I’ve got a question. Which DAC is better for speaker use only? The Schiit Modi 3+ or the iFi Zen DAC v2? Thanks for the advice and keep up the good work!!
At last! an intro to streaming. Thanks very much. Not as if I stream myself, but it's interesting to be able to understand what's going on.
Agreed. Echoing Oscar Wilde, I've always felt it is a tragedy to be able to get anything you want, whenever you want it, so I'll probably never stream, but it's great that you, Darko, take the time to show Luddites like me the possibilities. Thank you!
@@jerrytook7308streaming is fantastic, because for a relatively small monthly fee and an outlay for the streamer like an Apple TV, you have access to nearly the entire world of music. It is fantastic.
I watched this video by chromecasting it to my TV. Love chromecasting my music from my Raspberry pi Plex server to the Google Speakers around my home. Music whilst having a family Sunday roast is the best :)
Txs so much for the clear explanation. Very helpful to consider things from the couch. My question: do streaming devices (better than laptop) differ in sound quality that gets sent to the dac?
As a beginner I appreciate your efforts in this. Thank you so much
Loved this John. While I am familiar with these solutions, it is so helpful to get this out there for people to be able to enjoy their music. And this is very well done, sir.
Helpful, as usual. Thank you, John.
Thank you for this helpful video. It is very timely, as I just got Spotify a couple days ago.
A great way of explaining the options for getting popular streaming services to play through through your HiFi speakers. As you alluded to, the Airplay options will also drain phone battery quicker as the phone's wifi is constantly receiving and transmitting.
Love all your videos buddy.
Thanks John! I'm waiting for the lossless audio from spotify
Those doorstops pop up in Lidl from time to time for a couple of quid...great video again BTW John
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I just checked, in Canada they are over $50. I might just use a soup can full of loose change instead. It’ll be cheaper.
You do such excellent videos!!! You really should get some sort of award. Thank you for the professionalism in every aspect.
Does anyone know how much additional drain there is on the phone's battery while using Airplay as opposed to cloud-based streaming? I don't often hear that mentioned. Additionally, would it be the same as while using Bluetooth?
Discovering your channel and learning a lot, thank you ☺️
Nice one John this really helped - I'm late to the party on streaming so starting right at the beginning is great 👍
I really like the content you’re bringing, and your tone of voice is like a kind friend in a world of harsh opinions😊
Dude, your content is awesome. Really. Thx.
Very beautiful video for beginners. Nicely done. Thanks John, I just could send this to a friend of mine who is on the Apple Ecosystem.
Thanks for sharing...much appreciated.
Nice vid. Even I understood it. And that’s a litmus test for your explanation! Thanks!
I love spotify’s playlists, recommendations, podcasts, and user interface. but once you go losless, you never go back.
For me its also that Spotify is just horrible when it comes to artist payment/support and bought Top 100 etc Playlist spots. I really would love to dive into the Spotify ecosystem but this always puts me of :(
Great video Man, suscribed
Thanks, John .... I've forwarded this video onto my dad 👍
Hey John, I have a setup where my Laptop is connected to my DAC by a USB connection and that to my Speaker setup. I use the Laptop to browse and stream music straight, as I use players such as UA-cam Music, Spotify, Bandcamp and UA-cam.
My question is (inconvenience aside of keeping the laptop close and having a long USB cable connected to the DAC) is this setup suffering from any critical issues? (Since I have no to very little understanding of Hi-Fi audio I might not be able to see issues which might be glaring problems).
Thanks for the help and the great videos.
Love your buffer music!
Thanks so much for this video. I'm 60 and just getting re-interested in hi-fi, and much has passed me by over the last 20 years. Looking forward to learn how to stream using good hi-fi separates as I enter retirement next month and will have time on my hands again.
hows retirement?
Good stuff, thanks John! The chromecast codec topic was really useful, as sometimes the Mi Box is only recognized as a chromecast tool, not as a spotify connect tool! My setup: Xiaomi Mi Box 3 as streamer (running Spotify) --> Opctical commection --> Tangent Ampster BT II --> A pair of vintage Videoton stereo speakers. Works like charm! I have been experimenting on DAC front a bit (Mi Box's DAC, Dragonfly Black, FiiO E10K), eventually I stick with the Tangent's DAC for simplicity. For me the Mi Box works also without any HDMI connection. Best part of the whole Spotify ecosystem, that my car has a native app too, no need for AA or BT stream!
Thanks John for this video 👍
Thanks for this beginners to steaming it was very helpful.
When I saw the title, I thought that somewhere in the video there will be an announcrment that Spotify finally got FLAC quality... Looks that we need to wait a little bit more for it.
Cheers,
Przemek
Spotify will likely never have FLAC quality but they have announced that they will support CD quality later this year.
@@FeathersMcGraw_ Hmm... I thought that CD quality means FLAC format like in case of e.g. Deezer. What codec will be used by Spotify to encode CD quality?
@@FeathersMcGraw_ FLAC is not a “quality standard”. It’s just a lossless audio codec, and there’s _many_ of those.
You have to be more specific as to whether it’s 16 or 24-bit along with the sample rate being one of 44.1, 48, 96, 192 kHz.
It’s CD quality or 24-bit Hi-res, both of which are lossless.
@@przemekprzemkowy3811 FLAC is free so they may go for that, no other 3rd party lossless codec is popular enough for that purpose and they can’t use ALAC or WMA which are prroprietary codecs.
I thought the same when I saw the title
Thank you. Very helpful 🙂
Utterly great tone for a novice audio fan. Please keep it coming with more colour and details
John well done you for reaching out to beginners👏👏👏👏
Love seeing the Wedding Present "Valentina" album cover on display.
Hey, you stole my comment lol.. JK.. Anyone who loves The Weddos is cool in my book..
Question CURRENT SETUP - I have KEF LSX (hard wired to modem) and Airplay from iPad Pro. Would it be better to have Bluesound streamer (hard wired to modem) from Bluesound I would use a RCA cable to connect LSX and airplay to Bluesound? would that provide better sound quality than my current set up ? ( I use Apple Music lossless ).
First off, I love watching your videos. My set up is a Mac mini connected to a dac magic 200, to a vintage Linn Intek integrated. Using EMOTIVA B1+ at the moment. I use the Mac mini monitor less through either my MacBook or iPhone via an app called Remote +. It’s been great this far
Thanx for info… defiantly will use. Tell us some more about this cabinet where all equipment is placed. The two sides are monitors ? Displaying album ‘s art work?
Hi, I have different sound quality when using my DC04, on cellphone vs laptop while using apple music on both. Shouldn't it be the same, as dac is same or the source may alter the data stream before sending it to dac?
Nice video - as usual. Particularly liked the 'tone' remark. As a music lover with a degree in electronics and a lifetime working with all sorts of technology I find it can still get messy when trying to get to grips with products, particularly when mixing and matching hardware and services to get to the end point e.g. listening to the damn music as quickly and pain free as possible. Case in point your example of Apple Music/Chromecast etc. Your videos do a lot to de-mystify that, and so much more, so thanks and keep doing what you do. Now if only Apple would licence(more cheaply I guess?) more manufacturers to build Apple Music into their hardware life would be a lot easier and we wouldn't have to mess about with Airplay. Cheers John
Nice video John!
Thanks for the great video. What is needed to enable the music to play on speaker when I ask the Google assistant? (E.g. "ok Google, play music in living room") if the source is Spotify, does that leverage Spotify Connect ? Or does that go over Chromecast?
Thanks for the informative videos. Compared to these setups you describe in this video, would the audio quality be any better than playing hi-res streaming services, i.e. Amazon Music HD, via Ifi Zen Blue v2 with LDAC?
Great stuff as always. It's a pleasure to listen to your videos. I have a question when it goes to streaming music on active speakers. I have a pair of devialet phantom and I'm wondering on how to stream music in the best possible way? I don't use any external DAC. Currently, I'm only streaming music via Spotify connect or when using Tidal via UPnP app (Bubble upnp) directly to the speakers. Is there a better way to do that?
Hi Darko. I love the channel and I hope you will answer my question. I have a Mac mini running Monterey hooked up to my Sony str do 1080 receiver via hdmi. I set the midi to 8ch 24/196 and used Apple Music Hi-Res audio but my receiver displays LPCM. I am just wondering if I am getting lossless audio via this setup? Thanks mate!
Very interesting and educational. I use spotify connect through my Yamaha AV amp. I didn't appreciate the benefits of a DAC. What set up would be good in my campervan, compact, streaming and others with good sound? Cheers.
thank you so much for all the useful videos! You are really helping me in setting up my very first hi-fi system and making a good knowledge about hi-fi!
One question I have for you: what are your thoughts about streaming Apple Music lossless with an Airport express connected to an amplifier (or eventually to a DAC first and then to an amp)? Cheers!
How would a sonos system (pair of 5s plus bar) compare to your setup in this video? It does support AirPlay for apple users… is the sound quality much lower than the DAC + amp + LS50s ?