The REAL Tournament is GREAT! So.... DROP It or SHUT Up? - Griever Discussion
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- With no Kengan chapter this week, how about a rant?!
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That maybe in literal bears hands line had me dying 😂😂. Great video man and I agree witb what you said. I have been enjouing this tournament alot
@@trojanfotball19 Glad you had a fun watch!
You really went in with this one...
It is fun to dial shit up to 11 sometimes!
I love the tournament so far, especially because it's hard to predict the matches for once. However, the issue I see is that the Gao vs. Jurota and Justin vs. Hiraku back-to-back fights were too similar in their structure, with one fighter being a sandbag for 2-3 chapters in a row, which probably leaves a bad impression on people's minds. But it's a reactionary critique, I guess, considering the endings are polar opposites. I don't think it's a bad thing in the long term because the next bracket will probably have more back-and-forth in the choreography.
Gao vs Jurota was extremely predictable once you look outside of powerscaling and instead look at it from a metanarrative perspective
That is pretty fair, the video is obviously dialed up to 11 and I know the fights are not the greatest things ever and could have been done better but the "this is -100/10" attitude I have seen every week just needed a little push back.
Funny thing, the only ones who will take this video 100% seriously, are the people feeling called out because they are so negative. Should be fun!
The thing for me is I want to see fights in omega that rival the best fights in Ashura. There was three fights in the berserker bowl that could have reached that level easily if they were longer in chapters or pages. I understand not every fight in a entire tournament is going to be peak but with the purpose of this tournament to be finding a fighter who can challenge the connector it isn’t wrong I don’t think to expect great performances from the fighters that lose in this tournament even if it is the first round. A top ten annihilation fight for me is Seki vs Kiozan which I respect Kiozan for his performance.
That is more than a fair want and I agree.
I think this current round should (hopefully) surprise you with greatness!
@@GrieverTheLionHeartdefinitely Kanoh fights just hit different
HOW DID I MISS HIS VIDEO?!
Dunno mate, but glad you found it now!
In regards to the Tournament, I agree with your point about GaoCHAD vs JuBROta, I'm a big fan of Gaolang sealing his opponents options. The second fight was a little meh for me, I wanted to see more moves but we know Justin has a hidden ace. I have huge expectations on Agito vs Julius, and I'm liking the Water Kata like new Formless. I think Omega's tournaments are legit decent, even KvP had great fights and Berserk Bowl was a banger for me.
I think that is the point, that the second fight was setting up Justin having a "Blast Core/Dragon Shot/Etc." and Gaolang might actually have a hard time and take some real damage. So we trade a meh fight to get a hyped up semi-final.
Problem is People want or expect to be astounded again by the novelty of Kengan Asura again. Dudes want to come with the same expectation of Omega being identical to Asura or the same feeling it gave them. Asura gave your the framework of basic kengan formula and of course coming into Omega you've already been exposed to the novelty of that formula that ironically your expecting it to be the same or want it . Don't Get me wring the same premise and fundamental of the formula is there in Omega as asura
@@psalms519 This is very well put, I think that is one of the major issues and why the same people are praising Strike it Rich at the moment.
Yeah I definitely have quit the series. I really should have done so much sooner but I was overlooking so much in the hopes of improvement.
Star: Strike it Rich is a much better alternative, and I’ve since invested in that work.
EDIT: Also, I get you’re trying to say you don’t understand and all, but my guy, it’s not a good look to start throwing shit like “you don’t love yourself enough” around as the reason. I for one have had issues with Kengan Omega, really since KvP started (although Ohma’s reintroduction was the proper start of the problems) and read through Gaolang vs Jurota.
And yes, I would have discussed with others both online and irl my issues with the manga. The reasons are very simple. For starters, it’s nice to have conversations about the good and bad of any piece of art you’re consuming.
Another reason is that I want to be able to see the other side and gauge the consensus to see if I’m in the minority or not.
Another is that I find it very important to be able to criticize the things you watch and read.
As a child, I would just blindly consumed most of the MCU movies and crushed off much of the criticism. That ultimately hurt me, as I wasn’t able to discern the things I actually liked from the things I wanted to like. And ultimately, when I grew up, I ended up completely falling out of love with Marvel. A situation I still find to be a pity to this day.
The last reason I’ll give is that it helps me to get my own creativity going, so I can write my own short stories-even if I won’t let anyone read them (yet).
Without criticism, you are not able to understand what it is you do well and what needs to be improved on. So how are you able to expect any improvement from anyone? You get a bunch of yes men and people who are only consuming product for the sake of consuming product and your story is guaranteed not to be as good as it can be.
The issues with Kengan Omega’s writing is larger than just his tournament. Many people’s dislike for the series is merely boiling over for the series during this period of time.
As for the art-just because you call out the artwork, doesn’t mean you expect the peak of the franchise’s art at all times. The proportions are often inconsistent, as are the faces. Rolon’s (or Lolong, whatever you call him) face is almost totally different constantly during his fight with Ohma.
For a comparison, people agree that the later seasons of 7DS has pretty bad art and animation majority of the time. That doesn’t mean they’re expecting GoHS sakuga every episode or any of Ufotable’s fate series (probably more fair to just say Ufotable as a whole) or Fire Force.
We were never getting art and animation that compares to what I just mentioned, but people weren’t really criticizing the animation for season one of 7DS.
As for these “hypocrites” you speak of that you assume want 11/10 art each and every week but say artist are overworked-could you point them out? Do you have proof these people not only want 11/10 artwork every week, but are also saying mangaka are overworked? And can you show that this is happening consistently?
Because without proof, you’re just making assumptions about people and arguing against that. And that’s not only an invalid argument-but it’s also moving the goalpost.
It’s like when political commentators just say “they” are doing something that isn’t good and is hypocritical, but can never show examples of who constitutes the “they” in the sentence. It’s just a faceless void of people you disagree with.
Last thing (if you bothered to read all this) know that this isn’t meant to be an attack on you-this is literally the only video I’ve ever seen from you and probably will be the only one I ever see. I just wanted to get my thoughts out to you in case you were to hear from the other side for real. Knowing comment sections, there’s a pretty decent chance this is a bunch of people really agreeing with everything or almost everything you had to say in this rant.
Good for you! If you are not enjoying it, especially for a long time? It just makes sense to drop it and move on to something you do like!
I do not think STAR is better by much than current Omega but I also think it's a "fresh" start for people who want a Kengan manga to read and stopped enjoying Omega.
I do indeed bother to read every comment no matter how long! I will also try to respond to each major and minor point you made and in as much detail as I can.
As far as your first point, I think you misunderstood who that was directed at:
"Even with a troll mindset, I have never been a troll myself but I don't even understand that. Don't you get tired of beating that dead horse week to week? When does it get boring for you? When do you move onto the next thing because you don't love yourself enough? I don't know."
This entire remark was directed at the trolls in the community. You know what else is not a good look? Being a troll. Trolls are no different than bullies on the internet in my mind, the type of people who keep harassing the neighbourhood cat because they think it's funny and I have no respect for them and will always throw shit at them, at any given opportunity.
Now with that being said, I am not calling you a troll for disliking Kengan Omega, in fact I also believe there is A LOT of valid criticisms for this series and I certainly would not say it's amazing or even great as a whole. I am not calling you a troll for chatting with people on the internet about Kengan Omega with a negative but valid opinion week to week.
What I am saying, is that if you ONLY bring negative takes, EVERY week, for months or even years? You argue against anyone who says they liked this current fight or chapter and tell them it sucks every time? That's not criticism. That's trolling.
As I said in the video, if I didn't enjoy the last season of a show, why in the bloody hell would I watch the next season? Or the season after that one?
You have had issues with Kengan Omega between Ohma coming back and the start of KvP according to your comment. That is four entire years of reading something you do not like, assuming you have been reading week to week. I would to drop a series before it gets past the one year mark in the future but that is just my opinion. That said, you mentioned being a child when the MCU movies were coming out so perhaps you caught up much later and only started reading week to week recently.
Constructive criticism and negativity sometimes walk a very fine line. Telling someone that "this is not good, make it better" is negativity. "This is not good, here is how you can improve it" is constructive.
Every week you go on discord, reddit or youtube, you will see people (sometimes anonymous depending on the platform) complain or make fun of perfectly fine, week to week art. When the art IS bad or has mistakes, that is not the issue. Now granted, I DID mention maybe I am on the wrong forums/threads or too many of them.
I reviewed Nanatsu no Taizai (Seven Deadly Sins) for many years, both the manga week to week and the anime as the seasons came out and we all agree the later seasons were animated horribly, even with Netflix correcting a lot of the worst parts later on.
I feel this is not a good comparison to make as the first two seasons of NnT were done by A1 pictures and had top tier art and animation while it was passed off to Studio Deen for the rest. Studio Deen also suffered from an overworked and understaffed environment with a crunch timeline that was completely unrealistic to produce a quality product.
I'll have to answer the last part in short order as this response is getting quite lengthy already!
Could I point them out? Yes.
Same people? Yes.
Consistently? No.
So I am 2/3 I guess? Not bad!
I did not take it as an attack, I appreciate your honesty as I hope you appreciate my rebuttals! Probably not the best, first video for you to have watched. This was an exaggeration/dialed up to 11 for entertainment's sake kind of video just to ruffle a few feathers as it were.
Thanks for taking the time to watch at least this one!
How did we even get to the Real tournament? Wasn't it hype back the the berserker bowl that there is going to be another Kengan Annihilation tournament because some of members were unhappy with the current chairman.
That was in the planning stages but not ready yet, the REAL tournament was simply another promotional fight while they were figuring out the Worm details.
writing this comment as you said at the start;
My problem with the tournament in its first two fights is that they were executed almost the same exact way, and while the jurota fight was cool seeing it again with two characters we have no connection too is underwhelming at best; now the agito julius fight is something i hope breaks the streak for good and makes this tournament a really good one, but for that i got to wait.
Thank you!
I think they had a small connection in Agito. Gaolang lost to him in a very hard fight, and Jurota just recently beat him. Gaolang wants his rematch and defeating the one who just beat the Fang, etc.
Plus the video is hyped up with a bit of satire just for the kicks.
I stand in the middle, i liked a lot the ghaolan fight and for the most part disliked the somewhat justin's fight, but i admit "THAT'S SOME PUSSY SHIT GOT ME HYPED" but i also disliked some of the round 1 fights of the annihilation tournarment but there are some good fight's in the 1st round like okubo and kano or cosmo vs adam
This is a very fair take I think!
Little Thing. Could you change the background musik.
@@RichardPirh I do for some videos, I have a very limited collection of free to use music unfortunately.
@@GrieverTheLionHeart I see. Its better to be save to not be stricken from the copyright gods
We don’t need flashy moves for all the fights,I like to see the strategic minds at work. People who use the fundamentals in their respective martial arts well,like kuroki with chops or spear hands,gaolang or Carlos knowing how to check opponents with their footwork and punches,etc. not all fights need removal or suicidal ultimate techniques. There is beauty in simple fights too. My only issue was at this point in the story having a fight with 2 unknowns. They could’ve had bouts at other points,and I would’ve been cool with that. I brought up that we needed at least 1 familiar face with credibility to them,doesn’t have to be crazy S+ tier. They could’ve highlighted the dangers of emo guy or Justin. Then going forward in the fight there’s more respect for the unknowns.That’s all I had really had to say
As do I!
The two new characters having a fight, I do agree was a bad gamble but it does set up Gaolang having a tough time in the semi-final fight.
Overall issue thus far is that the fights are a little too short to leave much of an impression; not short in terms of chapter count, but in terms of content within the chapters.
Gaolang vs Jurota was pretty good, but Jurota felt like he barely did anything despite the level he's at. Justin vs Sakigake barely had anything at all happen in it: Sakigake strikes Justin several times and then gets suplexed... and then it's over. Barely anything even happened in it. Barely any back and forth or anything like that. It makes the fight feel more like a brief skirmish prolonged by monologuing and cutaways. My hope is that all the fights from here on out are a bit more substantive, and Agito vs Julius seems to have a promising start thus far.
This
The comparison to the R1 of the KAT makes no sense because even if the chapter count of most of the fights there was on the shorter end, the volume of content in the chapters was still solid, it felt like something was actually happening instead of fights like Justin vs Hiraku where a total of 8 blows were dealt and most of it was spent on fluff that won't matter in the future knowing Sandro
If jurota landed one good throw on gaolang it would have been over. Gaolang doesn't have same durability as agito and agito also has indestructible. The fact that gaolang can't afford to take even one good throw from jurota was the whole point of the match
They are a little short, that is true. Though I stand by the fact that at least Jurota VS Gaolang was a precision fight and only one or two big, flashy moves was gonna happen.
What did you want Jurota to do against a man who beats his PI and knows about his Swing? I feel like Gaolang is not appreciated to be one of the few fighters that can cancel out/seal off a good part of what makes Jurota so dangerous as a King of Purgatory.
I think that (with the hidden Aces) is more so setting up a great semi-final for the sake of a mid level previous fight, though that remains to be seen. Similar type of fights happened in KAT (Waka VS Gozo), a few hits, WHAM, and over. Between two unknowns especially? I don't mind it as much though I know it could have been handled far better.
I agree Agito VS Julius is likely to be the best round 1 fight.
This. Hence the PRECISION like I argued before in the video.
Jurota being defeated in pretty much the exact same way that Masaki beat him also sucked, it makes you feel like the character hasn't improved at all despite 2 years passing between KvP and the current story
The only problem I have of the real tournament is that they keep doing my boy Waka dirty.They deadass have not shown this man ever since he got blasted by Fei.Give my man a chance.But besides that I fucking love this tournament.I've always wondered what would happen against Julius against Agito and now I will have a fight to see the result. Also having Jurota against Gao was big brain move cause the whole point of this tournament is to have someone become to a connector level fighter so having a pre initiative killer against a pre initiative user kinda tells you that the connecter isn't completely invincible.
TRUE, where is the TIGER?!
I am glad that I am not the only one enjoying this tournament!
@@GrieverTheLionHeart Alsp dont take any of the hate for the tournamrnt seriously most of us are just trolling or just making fun of kengan for shits and giggles.
So far i believe its pretty mediocre Gao vs Jurota was cool nothing to say of its one of the best, expected more from being two of the best fighters in their respective fields of expertise and those two fields we the audience have been wanting to go at it for a very long time and its was decent, understandably tho the fight was pitched as a singular move can turn the tide so im not to bothered did i want it to be longer yeah course imo thats what its lacked
The second fight imo is incredibly mediocre because i came into this arc with the expectations of the best of the best fighters this fight needed its fighters to prove that they deserved to be here i mean we could’ve had a number of characters fill that spot that we haven’t seen in a while Rei, Hatsumi etc. but the simple fact that we almost were getting that simple statement oh Sakigake can move and strike so fast its faster than Carlos’s Jabs is crazy Justin is this super prodigy sure cool cool show it why hype them up for half the fight than the other half of the 3 chapter fight end it in like 10 moves from both characters
And people might bring up super quick fights and why they aren’t good like from Kat sure those are bad too Rei vs Nezu is just bad, Okubo vs Terashiin omega is bad, Rihito vs that Mark guy. Now thats not to say shorter fights are bad they can be good Gao vs Jurota pretty good, misasa vs yumigahama brutal and great, Raian vs Mokichi great, Ohma vs Kiozan pretty good
So i think the “real tournament” is mediocre so far im up for being proven wrong hell i want Agito vs Julius to be an amazing fight, make Lolong vs Ramon great too, Justin vs Gao hell make it that dream Grappler vs Striker match.
Very fair rating for Jurota VS Gaolang. Obviously the video is hyped up for entertainment but it is simply not a shit fight like some are saying. This was more so, a little exaggerated push back to an obviously decent to pretty good fight.
I do agree with that, I feel the addition of too many unknowns/new characters did create this problem. Waka, Hatsumi, Rei, Ohma, etc. So many more viable candidates for a Top Gun, best of the best showdown.
I could argue Gozo VS Waka or Hatsumi VS Chiba are also pretty short with only a few moves as well but I am not saying any of these fights or the ones you mentioned are 10/10 fights but that some of them are set up fights or to hype up others. Gozo VS Waka was too hype up the crazy power of Waka and this fight showed off how Justin can take hit after hit and still take an easy win in a similar fashion, with the set up of an ace (Blast Core) in the same way.
Fair that you find it mediocre so far, but unlike the people I am calling out, you also are not saying everything is 0/10 and yet continue to read either. I do hope this 3rd fight will be awesome and everyone enjoys it!
My main problem is just that i feel it lacks the same . Feeling of gravitas, while some all my favorite top tier fights feel like it shows something new or shows something we never seen before. Gaolang vs kanoh. We never saw striking at that level, kanoh on the backfoot. Shen vs mukaku introduced all the magic bull that shen can do. Kanoh vs kourki was all of the skills we already knew on its max level .
Real tournament so far. Has been Ok i guess but i feel like gaolang vs jurota didn't show anything new that really justified it being the " TOP TIERS"
I think Gaolang VS Jurota showed how to beat PI or how to render it useless which is kind of a big thing but I get it. It is as you said "ok" which should mean a 5/10, not the -10/10 the community acts like it is.
@@GrieverTheLionHeart yeah it's not that bad like a 6-7/10 it's fine and i like both characters, and what was shown i just wish it went a little bit further
I miss the restaurant arc
JUSTICE PREVAILS!
@@GrieverTheLionHeart If only Akoya was an actual good character though, imagine
@@jobbersupreme8720 JUSTICE!