Guten Tag Herr Wendlandt, Ihre Schnellwechselhalter sind nach dem System Multifix gebaut. Sind Ihre Halter dann mit den SWR-Amestra kompatibel? SWR ist ja ein original Schweizer Produkt.
Hallo, danke für die Anfrage. Die Originale wurden ausschließlich von J.F.Minder oder seiner Firma MIVESA gefertigt und MIVESA wurde 1984 liquidiert - ausnahmslos alles andere sind Nachbauten. Ob meine Halter mit SWR Amestra kompatibel sind, kann ich nicht beurteilen, da ich keinen Einfluss auf deren Fertigungsprozesse und Fertigungsorte habe. Da ohne Ausnahme alle meine Halter an echten Originalen getestet werden, kann ich die Garantie geben, dass meine Sachen mit allen anderen Sachen kompatibel sind, die ebenfalls den echten Originalen entsprechen. Die Antwort auf ihre Frage ergibt sich aus der Antwort von SWR Amestra, ob deren Produkte garantiert kompatibel mit den Originalen des Systementwicklers sind.
So, if you absolutely needed to use "the other manufacturer "P", then you would need to use some kind of tube, or shim, inside the mounting slot to make it safer...might be difficult, since the difference seems 1 mm or less... Also, ich frage, you make these holders here in B-W, the "others" in China, maybe Poland?
Hi again, to produce my goods in Europe............. I have to take minimum a price which is 6-times higher than now. To get a better contact between the teeth of the holder and the teeth of the tool post, the teeth of my holders are cut by wire-EDM. This job alone would cost in Europe around 250,-- Euro for just and only 1 holder. I guess that nobody want to pay this and so I produce where it is affordable = of course China. Incidentally, there is currently only one producer in Germany and one producer who is producing beside China also in Hungary.
Hello, well, to find out if I am right with the facts I am telling in my video, the only chance is to buy both systems and to compare by self. This is not a problem at all, when you live in Germany, you can send back the system which you dont like.
Hello, well, the reason for this video was a discussion in an internet forum and somebody claimed that holders of a competitor is matching my tool post and because he is not right and so I made this video as an evidence. When a holder (the red one) is so lose like in the video and you are able to turn the wrench 360°, it is also an important safety issue and it is a serious recommendation not to use. Beside the fact of different material (the red one is only C45, my holders are made out of 41Cr4 with around 40% higher tensile strength), the price different is just 4 Euro and to save this, in my personal opinion, this is just stupid.
@@pewetools9078 I don't know what kind of banana peels you're smoking, but the price difference is NOT 4 euros. From China, I can buy two complete sets, that is, two tool posts and 8 holders, for less than HALF of what you charge for ONE set of a single post and 4 holders. That is FOUR TIMES AS MUCH money. THAT is just stupid, and claiming otherwise is asinine.
@@Orcinus24x5 I guess that you dont understand any German - right? But because you dont understand one word, you should not insault me. The video show the system AS which I developed and a system Ab which is the try to copy my system and I show that the copier made some mistakes and so the holders are not compatible. You will get my system size AS not in China!!! you can get just the cheap copy Ab (cheap because material only C45 / C45E, not enough hardenened and only 4 holder types instead of 25pcs. of my AS). And 4 Euros is the price different between 1 holder Ab to 1 holder AS.
Thanks for the video. It explains sometime that I've been thinking about, namely the compatibility of Chinese Multifix tool-holders and their quality. Other videos,especially English language ones, are so vague. They don't explains the engineering principles required to make the correct choice of tool-post for the lathe saddle size and compound width. An English translation would be great!! It would make a lot of others think before they handle.
Hello, yes, I have products in Aa, A and B of Create Tools. One of my attitude is to say everything always clear and so I have no problem to say three important things here and everybody is invited to come to me and to measure and to try by self. But of course, it could be that only all goods which I have are like this by unluck and fortune and all others of them are perfect. 1. most of the holders are not matching the original tool post, even not matching the goods of other producer. Please watch my video "Passgenauigkeit Halter nach System Multifix kürzeres Video mit vielen Beispielen" ua-cam.com/video/kd1BJdc3DXk/v-deo.html My talk is in German but beginning at 6:oo you will see exactly what´s going on. 2. the goods I have, have the lowest hardness, they are the most soft holders when I compare with all other. 3. If you you check the contact between the teeth of the holders to the teeth of the tool post, the Create tools holders which I have, have the lowest fit.
Hi, yes I watched that video of yours and I do understand some German and got the gist of it. I have an Aa size set from Create Tool but I haven't yet measured the hardness. The workmanship overall is very great, nothing to complain about that. And maybe tomorrow I will check the fit of the tool post with the holders I got with Prussian blue at work (I'm a tool & die maker) and maybe even do a video of it. By the way, the Aa set I though is small baby model, but then I saw somewhere (maybe eBay) a set called Aaa, presumably from you and holy hell that thing is tiny! :D Nice to see you filling the gaps there with the sizes. Do you by the way happen to have the original Multifix drawings with dimensions to make the parts the same?
Yes, it´s Aaa and I developed this size. With actually 9 different sizes and 86 different holders, I have the biggest range of products worldwide, even more than all other producer combined. Beside a copy of the original patent I have 12 sets of the swiss inventor J.F.Minder. Some of them are in my showroom and the most are in the production area because after cutting the teeth of the holder by wire-EDM (to get a higher accuracy than grinding), every single holder get tested with an original tool post (and of course every produced tool post get tested with original holders). About "look-like": Well, just the fact that something is looking nice (grinded surface), well, this has nothing to do with accuracy. I think that spotting is maybe not really relaible becuase try to imagine the spape of evbery single teeth with two flanks under consideration of the move how you put both parts together. I am curious to hear your opinion. Regarding the hardness: The original holders have a hardness of 42-46 HRC and the center piece of the tool post 55-60 HRC (this also my goods have). When you give to me your email address, I will send to you some more detailed information.
About the look-a-likes, what I meant was the actual fit and finish, like there is no nicks, no burrs, no rust, everything packed properly, no chipped paint, nothing. As in someone actually cares and these are the most obvious visual signs to look for when thinking if someting is good or bad. With crappy looking quality there usually is no point in checking any further, but with these I think spotting and a light gap check are a good indicator to the accuracy of the grind of all the parts. For hardness testing I can't do that other than compare to known pieces, I have a hardness tester file set (Tsubosan) on order in a week or so. If you want to talk more and I would really love to hear more of your products, my email address is jaakko.s.fagerlund at gmail dot com
Guten Tag Herr Wendlandt, Ihre Schnellwechselhalter sind nach dem System Multifix gebaut. Sind Ihre Halter dann mit den SWR-Amestra kompatibel? SWR ist ja ein original Schweizer Produkt.
Hallo, danke für die Anfrage. Die Originale wurden ausschließlich von J.F.Minder oder seiner Firma MIVESA gefertigt und MIVESA wurde 1984 liquidiert - ausnahmslos alles andere sind Nachbauten. Ob meine Halter mit SWR Amestra kompatibel sind, kann ich nicht beurteilen, da ich keinen Einfluss auf deren Fertigungsprozesse und Fertigungsorte habe. Da ohne Ausnahme alle meine Halter an echten Originalen getestet werden, kann ich die Garantie geben, dass meine Sachen mit allen anderen Sachen kompatibel sind, die ebenfalls den echten Originalen entsprechen. Die Antwort auf ihre Frage ergibt sich aus der Antwort von SWR Amestra, ob deren Produkte garantiert kompatibel mit den Originalen des Systementwicklers sind.
@@pewetools9078 danke schön für die schnelle Antwort.
Gern geschehen. Die Antwort von SWR-Amestra würde mich interessieren, informieren Sie mich?
So, if you absolutely needed to use "the other manufacturer "P", then you would need to use some kind of tube, or shim, inside the mounting slot to make it safer...might be difficult, since the difference seems 1 mm or less... Also, ich frage, you make these holders here in B-W, the "others" in China, maybe Poland?
Hi again, to produce my goods in Europe............. I have to take minimum a price which is 6-times higher than now. To get a better contact between the teeth of the holder and the teeth of the tool post, the teeth of my holders are cut by wire-EDM. This job alone would cost in Europe around 250,-- Euro for just and only 1 holder. I guess that nobody want to pay this and so I produce where it is affordable = of course China. Incidentally, there is currently only one producer in Germany and one producer who is producing beside China also in Hungary.
Therefore, a price difference, and a quality difference?
Hello, well, to find out if I am right with the facts I am telling in my video, the only chance is to buy both systems and to compare by self. This is not a problem at all, when you live in Germany, you can send back the system which you dont like.
Any chance this can be done in English?
Hello,
well, the reason for this video was a discussion in an internet forum and somebody claimed that holders of a competitor is matching my tool post and because he is not right and so I made this video as an evidence. When a holder (the red one) is so lose like in the video and you are able to turn the wrench 360°, it is also an important safety issue and it is a serious recommendation not to use. Beside the fact of different material (the red one is only C45, my holders are made out of 41Cr4 with around 40% higher tensile strength), the price different is just 4 Euro and to save this, in my personal opinion, this is just stupid.
@@pewetools9078 I don't know what kind of banana peels you're smoking, but the price difference is NOT 4 euros. From China, I can buy two complete sets, that is, two tool posts and 8 holders, for less than HALF of what you charge for ONE set of a single post and 4 holders. That is FOUR TIMES AS MUCH money. THAT is just stupid, and claiming otherwise is asinine.
@@Orcinus24x5 I guess that you dont understand any German - right? But because you dont understand one word, you should not insault me. The video show the system AS which I developed and a system Ab which is the try to copy my system and I show that the copier made some mistakes and so the holders are not compatible. You will get my system size AS not in China!!! you can get just the cheap copy Ab (cheap because material only C45 / C45E, not enough hardenened and only 4 holder types instead of 25pcs. of my AS). And 4 Euros is the price different between 1 holder Ab to 1 holder AS.
Thanks for the video. It explains sometime that I've been thinking about, namely the compatibility of Chinese Multifix tool-holders and their quality. Other videos,especially English language ones, are so vague. They don't explains the engineering principles required to make the correct choice of tool-post for the lathe saddle size and compound width.
An English translation would be great!! It would make a lot of others think before they handle.
Hello PeWeTools. Do you have in your collection the ones made by Create Tool (Chinese I believe)? How do they compare to the original Multifix?
Hello,
yes, I have products in Aa, A and B of Create Tools. One of my attitude is to say everything always clear and so I have no problem to say three important things here and everybody is invited to come to me and to measure and to try by self. But of course, it could be that only all goods which I have are like this by unluck and fortune and all others of them are perfect.
1. most of the holders are not matching the original tool post, even not matching the goods of other producer. Please watch my video
"Passgenauigkeit Halter nach System Multifix kürzeres Video mit vielen Beispielen" ua-cam.com/video/kd1BJdc3DXk/v-deo.html
My talk is in German but beginning at 6:oo you will see exactly what´s going on.
2. the goods I have, have the lowest hardness, they are the most soft holders when I compare with all other.
3. If you you check the contact between the teeth of the holders to the teeth of the tool post, the Create tools holders which I have, have the lowest fit.
Hi, yes I watched that video of yours and I do understand some German and got the gist of it.
I have an Aa size set from Create Tool but I haven't yet measured the hardness. The workmanship overall is very great, nothing to complain about that. And maybe tomorrow I will check the fit of the tool post with the holders I got with Prussian blue at work (I'm a tool & die maker) and maybe even do a video of it.
By the way, the Aa set I though is small baby model, but then I saw somewhere (maybe eBay) a set called Aaa, presumably from you and holy hell that thing is tiny! :D Nice to see you filling the gaps there with the sizes.
Do you by the way happen to have the original Multifix drawings with dimensions to make the parts the same?
Yes, it´s Aaa and I developed this size. With actually 9 different sizes and 86 different holders, I have the biggest range of products worldwide, even more than all other producer combined.
Beside a copy of the original patent I have 12 sets of the swiss inventor J.F.Minder. Some of them are in my showroom and the most are in the production area because after cutting the teeth of the holder by wire-EDM (to get a higher accuracy than grinding), every single holder get tested with an original tool post (and of course every produced tool post get tested with original holders).
About "look-like": Well, just the fact that something is looking nice (grinded surface), well, this has nothing to do with accuracy. I think that spotting is maybe not really relaible becuase try to imagine the spape of evbery single teeth with two flanks under consideration of the move how you put both parts together. I am curious to hear your opinion.
Regarding the hardness: The original holders have a hardness of 42-46 HRC and the center piece of the tool post 55-60 HRC (this also my goods have).
When you give to me your email address, I will send to you some more detailed information.
About the look-a-likes, what I meant was the actual fit and finish, like there is no nicks, no burrs, no rust, everything packed properly, no chipped paint, nothing. As in someone actually cares and these are the most obvious visual signs to look for when thinking if someting is good or bad. With crappy looking quality there usually is no point in checking any further, but with these I think spotting and a light gap check are a good indicator to the accuracy of the grind of all the parts. For hardness testing I can't do that other than compare to known pieces, I have a hardness tester file set (Tsubosan) on order in a week or so.
If you want to talk more and I would really love to hear more of your products, my email address is jaakko.s.fagerlund at gmail dot com
Thank you for the explanation.