Gear Drum 3CS Trigger Review - 3 Cones, 1 Verdict | The eDrum Workshop
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Full review of the Gear Drum 3CS Trigger, tested using a Roland TD-50 and Pearl Mimic Pro. An in-depth look at the 13" version of this 3 cone model. My previous first impressions - • Gear Drum 3CS Trigger ...
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Thank you Luke for the full review! Now we have to design the upgrade of the 3CS trigger. It will be "6CS trigger" in order to cover the three cold spots :)
No problem! Haha maybe the whole drum should just be filled with cones? It's weird that it's so accentuated on the TD-50 compared to on the Mimic, not sure why that is. If they update the TD-50 to accommodate their own 3 cone triggers, I have a feeling it will iron it out. Fingers crossed they do so, and soon!
I love that attitude.....
How much does this trigger cost in dls ?
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Hey guys! Did you happen to get the upgrade out on the market since you posted this response?
Thanks for the review. Hopefully we'll see more companies fully support 3 cone design. You still can't beat the digital snare and ride, they work really well in SD3. I too noticed weird trigger behavior when running my old TD30 DP128S and even my VH13 thru the TD50. I'm sure all of our concerns will be addressed...in the next flagship module and new pads! lol
You're welcome, thanks for watching! Yeah, the digital snare really does win out against pretty much any other pad. Interesting that you had similar issues with your pads from the 30. Fingers crossed that a VAD floor tom preset sorts it out. I think it's probably really just a case of manufacturers tweaking to accommodate these designs!
Thank you for reviewing this trigger!
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Great review, really thorough! Worth the wait.
Thanks Joseph, glad you enjoyed it!
I really do think general triggering is slightly different from the TD30 to the TD50 modules, and I'm not sure why.
Thanks for watching! Yeah, I had to rebuild a DIY trigger that used to work perfectly with my Octapad when I got my TD-50 - it was randomly triggering rimshots on the head. I know that can be an issue with piezo polarity and something to do with Positional Sensing, but I've read accounts of other people having the same issue going from the 30 to the 50, even when their PS worked perfectly on the 30. Weird.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Ι tested the TD-50 promptly with my DIY triggers and I was indeed getting random rimshots from hitting the center. What I did was change the preset from a regular drum (PD-XXX) to something generic - I think it might have been "pad 1" or something like that. Then the rimshots stopped.
@@exci6198 Yeah, I remember using the PDX-8 preset and getting the same results as you did with Pad 1 - it stopped. I was trying to get the positional sensing working though so I needed to use a setting that supported it. Can't remember if any of the Pad 1/2/3 settings support PS or not but at the time it was very frustrating haha!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Ah, gotcha. I'm only using these triggers for my toms so I didn't care enough to check for PS.
You should check out the Convertible Percussion triggers. Inexpensive and working very well for me on the 14" snare I made. Simple but well made.
Thanks Luke for the review....in the video you mention that there are other choices "off the shelf" for a 3 zone trigger system. I like the Gear Drum 3CS trigger but I am in Canada and it is a bit complicated ordering from Italy - not to mention the exchange, duty and cost of shipping. What are the options for a former Yamaha ekit-guy who wants a 3 zone snare drum? I am using a Strike module.
Gear drum are really on it with some breakthrough products - I am impressed but need to checkout the options.
Hey! When I was talking about off-the-shelf trigger solutions, I was grouping pretty much all trigger systems into that (as Gear Drum offer a few different types of triggers). When it comes to off-the-shelf 3-cone triggers (not 3 zone, just to clarify), you've got the ATV aDrums Artist snare or the ATV xD-P13 snare/tom pad or the new Roland VAD 14" floor toms when they eventually come out. I've seen a couple of other smaller companies around doing 3-cone triggers in the same style/capacity as Gear Drum but I'm not sure on all of the availability across each country, unfortunately. ATV are probably the best bet if you wanted to play it safe with a pre-built solution.
Great video Luke. I would love to see an update video of this gear drum trigger with the Td50x using PDA120/ PDA140 setting which also uses the 3 cone trigger. Do you expect to do another review anytime soon? Cheers 😀
The results haven't been a great deal better using the VAD presets, so I don't really see the need to make a video about it, to be honest! It's a shame, I was hoping that would fix the issue, or at least improve on it!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop that’s a real shame and very useful to know. Thanks Luke! Love your UA-cam videos and have bought a good deal of your td50x samples. Absolutely huge upgrade to the stock sounds
Thank you for the support, glad you like them! 🙏🥁
I designed my own.. Center mounting the sensor is the only way for me.... You just have to tighten the head.... a lot.
No positional sensing is a deal breaker (for me)..
I have found that the module compares the "bleed over" from the RIM piezo when the head is hit, to create the "position sensing" if the head sensor "sees" a hit so close to the trigger that the "rim" didn't pick it up...BAM hot spot hit. By adding another piezo to the rim section, there is a better chance of even a close hit to the head sensor is still "heard" by the rim sensor. this small amount of bleed over stops the hot spotting.
So one center "head" piezo 27mm and TWO "rim" piezos, 27mm one mounted to the center focal point of the trigger assembly, and another mounted very near where I do my rim shots.
I play reggae style music, and the rim and position strikes are working great with this set up. My hot spot is very small now. like a 1/4" dot in the center of the snare. Before, had a 3" circle of hot-spot mess..
I agree with you. I like their spoke design
It's a genius design!
They design one in metal and spoke pattern one arm for every lug
Yeah, I spotted it after I recorded the audio but the picture of it is in the video!
Great videos sir. Wondering if you plan on reviewing drone triggers?
Thanks! I might be doing, want to make sure I've used it plenty first. I'm also aware that Mike from DRONE often builds more out of enjoyment than anything else so wouldn't want to send loads of order requests his way if he doesn't necessarily want that.
I wonder if you install 6 cone triggers for the snare . would that handle the cold spot ?
Would the old TD-12 work with a 3 cone trigger?
Did I understand it right, that you can use these triggers without damaging the shell of the original acoustic drum? So I could thoretically buy an expensive acoustic drumset from one of the big companies, remove the top head, put the trigger in, connect the trigger cable via the vent hole, put a mesh head on and voilà, edrum conversion is ready?
Yes
Correct! No need to remove any other hardware! It's a genius design.
Like that company I know that they are in Italy. I hope everyone is alright.stay safe
I spoke to them the other day, they appear to be getting on with business as usual!
I'd like to know how this trigger might work with the Yamaha DTX Pro which also uses a three cone design.
If I get my hands on one, I'll give it a try! I've still had the same hot/cold spot issues on updated Roland presets for the VAD 3 cone pads, unfortunately, but you never know!
I’d love to mess with this in eDRUMin and see what the calibration screen does.
Design one that works with the Alesis Strike Pro Module. :)
It may well work with the Strike Pro, I just haven't got one to try it out. I believe a few people have had issues getting good rim response with different pads on the Strike, but I don't know if this would be affected the same way or not, might just take someone knowing how to tweak it correctly!
ATV have a same system ?
Hey Luke I found a company in the usa that makes an electronic rim-riser for cross stick, which then will effectively make for a 3 zone snare drum. Maybe you could take a look at it and see if it meets your testing standards. Link Here: www.rimriserusa.com/e_rr.html
Thanks for the suggestion! I've had a quick look into it, the availability in the UK doesn't look amazing and the Amazon reviews aren't looking too hot either haha! But I do like the concept (sort of like using a BT-1 but with a metal rim segment rather than rubber) so I'll see if I can find much else about them - not really in a position to take a gamble at the minute so would probably need to see more user experiences before going for it.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop - Hey Luke, I ended up buying one of these eRim-Risers and now have it installed but still having some challenges getting it working with my Strike module. I wrote to Rim Riser for some basic settings so we will see how they do and I would be happy to give you an update. My objective with this addition is to have crosstick (3 zone) snare drum with my Strike kit. Just wondering if you have any suggestions for alternatives if this doesn't work - I am in Canada. BEST REGARDS
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I wish you would stop talking over testing the sound so we could here it Please. 65 drum justin don't talk over testing. He let us here the sound. Take some air in your lungs.please
I'll have a look at some other videos for pointers, cheers! Those sections that I do talk over aren't really the "test" parts though, they're pretty much just B-roll footage to have something on the screen other than my face. The intro, outro and dynamics test at 11:44 are the proper test sections. I'll look at either muting the other parts in future or just using different B-roll! Thanks!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I prefer the talking at this point due to I am buying for my church and my later is a very details oriented guy who want more than just it sounds good lol. Thanks for the video