Butch Vig on Why You Should Tour with an Electronic Drum Kit
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From being known as “the Nevermind guy” for his work on Nirvana’s diamond-selling, titular album to his Madison, Wisconsin, studio and illustrious career with his genre-defying rock outfit Garbage, drummer and producer Butch Vig has picked up quite a few tricks of the trade throughout the years. Sweetwater’s own Nick D’Virgilio chopped it up with Butch to talk about the creative flexibility of touring with an electronic drum kit. Think that’s the option for you? Check it out!
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I'm working on a pearl rhythm traveler a2e conversion. Will be trying the td8 w lemon cymbals.
I recently purchased a TD-27kv. I absolutely love it. I am converted to electronic drums.
I'm running drum -tec Diabolos with a mimic pro , works for me ...
As a sound engineer, this approach genuinely spares us so much pain😭😭
After finally seeing the light in having infinite choices with my e-kit, I will never go back. Steven Slate Drums 5.5 is absolutely AMAZING!
Saw Butch with Garbage opening for Tears for Fears last year. Shirley was on fire and Butch's drum sounds were killer!
Butch is a real legend
So is Nick!
I saw him in concert with Garbage. Omg! Mind blowing!
Electronic drums have come a LONG WAY and are very impressive nowadays, however I prefer the feel of acoustic still. By the way: You can tell Nick isn’t from Indy, he called Deer Creek, Ruoff.
This works so well for my band. We do use stage monitors, but they aren't turned up past the 1/2 mark. Not having the brass killing our ears is a huge win. And nothing beats the consistency from venue to venue. Love it.
Are you using the stock TD50X kits ?
my only concern would be the latency (sampler/midi, D/A, etc). even if the delay is in the single-digit milliseconds, it is still able to feel that amount of latency while playing.
@@superblondeDotOrg nope, not at all, u wont feel any latency, the drums are so evolved in terms of real feel playing ;)
@@superblondeDotOrgtodays computer chips have almost no latency. My Mac M1 is a beast
the chips are not the problem. It's the operating system. The brain of an e-kit has only one job. The ooerating sysrem of a pc has many jobs. Check if some thing has to be written to the disk, check for user input
, check for updates. Install updates. Check if other users want to log in. And so forth. All that takes time and can cause latency. A modern desktop os is not a realtime os.
I've been playing electronic drums live since I got them in 2012. I still have a hard time with bands or friends to convince them of all of their virtues. Once I get everyone on in ears and throw on some Superior Drummer libraries, it will make a big difference to the sound quality both onstage and off.
Saw Garbage opening for TFF in Dallas last year, amazing show all around, and I was super impressed with just how good Garbage sounded and the house mix.
Was at the show with Garbage/High Flying Birds in Washington on June 3. Thought the drums sounded AMAZING, and I did in fact see them about a decade ago when the plexiglass was still a thing. I thought the drum sound was cleaner this time, and had noticed he had gone electric! Love it!
I bought a TD27 2 years ago and only use it to practice and for rehearsals with my band, which is great and so comfortable for us !
I've been telling this to everyone I come across for years now. The kits are becoming so customizable and precise.
Looks can be modded. Sounds can be modded. Feel of the kit down to the rims and pedals can be modded.
Recording is the fastest it has ever been since you can in-ear everyone to perfection for practices. If you really know what you're doing, you can do one go at it, and readjust the drum parts to perfection, then have the guitars, vox, anything else do recording to it. Just unreal times brother.
Not to mention..... the setup time is less than 5 minutes for an experienced drummer that knows his way around the kit/brain.
Practices are the best feature. You will no longer bother anyone, and you will not go deaf.
Great interview
Awesome interview thanks nick
I love all technology and use it extensively everyday. As a FOH mix engineer and drummer seeing the way Neil Peart used electronic technology and acoustics was the perfect balance. I think in smaller venues electronics work great and should be embraced. However I’m personally not ready to just abandon the entire acoustic kit yet. In this industry we have a history of just jumping on the next cool thing and abandoning everything else for it, only to find ourselves a few years later coming back to what we left behind. IMHO
What a great interview! Shoutout to Nick for his great interview chops and clear/concise questioning. Keep it up guys!
Such nice guys ❤🎉
When the production company of Starlight Express (Bochum, Germany) made me play a full Roland TD 50 kit, I had a bit if a struggle changing from playing the show on acoustic drums and cymbals for 10 years. The rebound feels just the opposite way to me. It took some time to get used to it. This show goes on for 35 years now, 7 to 8 shows a week, two hours straight playing per show. I had to re adjust my way of playing to not be in pain all the time. Btw. The first kit in this show was a Dynacord ADD ONE with acoustic cymbals. Then TD10, ddrum/Akai S1000, TD20, Sonor Delite Kit and finally the TD50. Let‘s what comes next. 🤪
I gig with a Roland VAD506 triggering Superior Drummer 3. Brilliant combination. Have different kits I've edited for different songs.
LEGEND!
Nick seems to really like Ghostbusters by seeing that painting. Great Interview Nick !!
Thanks for the video
I agree! Consistent drum sound from venue to venue along with guitar modelers all direct! No loud cymbals, drums, and drum shields, along with no loud guitar amps! Makes the stage quieter along with the FOH sound engineers job mixing easier!
Great video! I use Roland TD-25KV drums which are very nice, but I just can’t count on the cymbal pads. They are great when they work but they have all failed in less than 3 years. The ride was replaced under warranty but one year later the new ride started having issues. The warranty is only two years from original purchase and the fact that the pads are quite costly to replace is a real bummer. I don’t feel that I could ever count on these in a live setting.
All of the church sound guys/worship leaders need to watch this and realize that they're PROBABLY better off with a good Roland kit than their attempts at using acoustic drums. From my experience, at least. Great interview!
I mean, yes. They have to put drummers behind the dreaded plexi prison because the trend in Gospel drumming is now to hit as hard as the strength God gave you despite the fact you're playing in a freaking church... don't get me wrong, the kids are *great* and definitely gifted - but there is an understanding of dynamics in spaces that definitely got lost :(
@@jas_bataille I’m thinking just more from the perspective of a week to week consistent sound regardless of drummer that makes life infinitely easier on the FOH person. But yeah, the varying dynamics/playing style of different drummers is a challenge and getting everyone to play appropriately for the room. For sure
I use a Roland VAD 706 Gloss Cherry Finish kit and a Roland SPD-SX PRO sample pad with 2 BT-1 trigger bars. My band runs a “quiet stage”…no amps, side fills, monitors or acoustic drums.
How are the hi-hats and cymbals? Do they feel just as articulate and dynamic as the acoustic ones?
Double scratch plates on the acoustic in the background. Looks funky!
Superb conversation with Butch! With his extensive live experience I would love if he published a few of his TD-50X kits (sans the samples) to something like Roland Cloud.
Very nice
ICON 🤘🏻
I play electric drums out of necessity (small flat) and I do enjoy their advantages. But since I do a lot of dynamic playing with my band (brushes, hot rods, mallets, percussion), their use case is severely limited for actual band drumming. If you are a rock/metal drummer, I could see eDrums as useful, but for real dynamic music (songwriter, jazz, etc) acoustic drums are a must imo.
Thanks Butch! I finally feel vindicated 😅
Nick, Zach Starkey plays a fully electric kit with The Who
Need a small footprint and almost zero noise pedals? Im using the SPD Pro with KT9 and FD9 kick and hat and that thing is a beast, and takes up no room at all, and the pedals are virtually noise free. Great for like an upstairs 1bd rm apartment or real small gigs or any gig at all really. Electronic kits dont turn the audience off anymore like they used to.
Used different Roland kits in my wedding band for the last decade. No stage volume issues using IEM and Line6 and sound was dead on gig after gig. Very important to have a good PA with subs mixed well to get the best results.
Same experience, I concur!
I could listen to Butch talk about music for hours. Great interview!
I've enjoyed the discussion On the electric Drum-kit by Mr. Butch vig Thanks Nick
I think the ddrum3 was the unit you would have really wanted, could take samples, 18bit better playability since the 80's than today, especially with the toms. No cymbals however. Roland td27/50 cyms and ddrum3 is the ultimate.
Butch, can you talk about touring Australia in 2005 and using packing foam in your toms and snare in your acoustic kit?
Been thinking about touring with one. Thanks for the video.! Sandy Hanson/ Agent Orange.
Sandy! I’m a huge fan! Love Agent Orange, been trying to get Mike to do interview with me! Maybe you or Perry would be interested in doing an interview? Let me know!
@GregGallagher Thanks man! You got it! I'll definitely talk to Mike! I think he would love to do it! I know Perry and myself would definitely be into it!
I tried using Roland TD50s to gig for a while. Just didn't tickle my pickle but boy howdy did the sound boys love it. But if I'm not enjoying playing people can tell and I just don't like the feel of rubber and mesh or the limits of MIDI (127).
When Butch mentioned great headphone mix Nick you should ask him what kind of headphones he uses and why...I think we would like to know
Our drummer spent $7k on the new Roland kit, and the hi-hat stopped working in less than a year. He traded it for another acoustic kit, unfortunately 😕
so dope!! Butch a Legend
Our singer convinced me to use my TD30 in live situations. I agreed but stuck with my acoustic cymbals. When used in combination with our X32 desk and wireless mics and IEMs, we genuinely get a studio like sound that other local bands cannot get close to. We love the freedom this generation of equipment gives us, that crucially is very affordable for us.
Funny. We have a similar setup and I’ve been begging my drummer to try vdrums for smaller venues. I’ve always thought the opposite would work, acoustic kit and v cymbals (which seem to be the loudest part).
@@sethcenterbar that depends on how hard a hitter you are ;-)
I would love to know what Butch uses for in ears and if he uses anything like a porter and davies gigster for Kik drum .
I heard P&D thrones are a GAMECHANGER for both electronic and acoustic setups. It’s next on my wish list to purchase.
Guys, if someone can clarify: I know Butch used to play with Pro-mark sticks but recently I got his drumsticks at a concert and after peeling I had a surprise: it is a pair of Tommy Igoe's Groove Essentials! I am not a drummer and I know he has (or had) a signature model. Any thoughts on the why? Is it usual for drummers not to play with their own? Sorry about the question! Thank you!
I've just started using my TD 27's on stage. The 1st thing I noticed was, through my drum monitors I could get the sound I wanted to hear ,but the sound booth wasn't sure about putting the signal in the mains since they could only control the final signal, not the drum set mix. It's ok, but not great. All suggestions appreciated!
What happened to the ludwig kit?From the electric kits I’ve played on it doesn’t have the recoil bounce like you do on a real kit especially on cymbals. But yeah they are fun to mess with and keep it on the Low but id rather play on that Ludwig kit you mentioned you can’t beat that sound take care sir 🤟🏽🎼🥁✌🏽
That’s awesome been thinking bout going to an electric kit -miking drums and blasting my ears are getting old for home recording
Thank you Sweetwater you don’t wanna go halfsies on an electric kit would ya? You would make my wife happy 😃
i have an alesis strike pro se, and the sounds and feel are pretty good for at home rehearsals with drumless tracks, but i HATE the rubber cymbals inhibiting the glancing swipe i’ve gotten used to on acoustic cymbals. other than that, i’m actually pretty impressed with the acoustic-like sound capabilities. i have yet to try in any live setting at all, but i have another new project brewing, sooo..maayybe
Nick, is that your desk?? I’m a huge Ghosthead and seeing the picture behind you and the little Ecto makes me feel like I’m covered in mood slime and listening to Jackie Wilson 😂
Only problem is - nobody makes an electronic kit large enough for me! I'd have to combine two kits, and possibly work in a third as toms & cymbals...
You could convert an acoustic kit.
Either convert an acoustic kit or look at jobeky, drumtech or the new Roland full size kit
Those KILLDOZER records sound great.
I see you are a man of culture.
I practice on one but record on an acoustic. I can’t play in a live band yet because they still haven’t figured out how to quantize in real time.
😂
gonna be a great tour this summer. noel's new record is fantastic
I wouldn’t be surprised if metal bands starting using e-kits…but I wonder if it would tempt people to just put the drums in the backing track and just mime the songs live.
It is an absolute imperative for bands playing in smaller venues like clubs and pubs. Having an acoustic drum kit inside that small a space is just a noise fest to make the other instruments sound at par with the drums. A v kit inside smaller venues is a must. Ultimately the show is for the audience and if they don’t understand what is happening because the drums are eating away into everything then there is no point of the show
Thumbs up to Nick for repping Wesley Willis.
I couldn't believe when I saw his face on Nick's desk!
I saw Garbage open up for Smashing Pumpkins many years ago and to be honest they sounded terrible. Not that they played bad, but the actual FOH mix was unbearable. It wasn't the venue because SP sounded great. I wonder if he was playing electronic drums on that tour?
Opening bands are very often given a worse house mix so they don't really compete with the headliner.
@sweetwater /nick - Nice Wesley Willis Dvd’s My friends made Joyrides and I did some incidental Music for it
very cool
I wish I could go electric but prices are impossible
I’d happily say the garbage I saw were all mining apart
From Shirley. They sounded good though
Yamaha ead10
I saw him use the Roland stuff last year on the Tears for Fears tour, the drums actually sounded a bit weak coming through the P.A. because you're not moving any air on stage like
you do with acoustic drums. I noticed the same thing with Zac Starkey with The Who, he has an all-electronic kit he has been using since 2019.
What the drummer hears in his monitor mix doesn't always sound the same in the venue, you could hear a big difference when Jamie Wollam came on with Tears for Fears,
the drums sounded so much heavier and had way more presence in the P.A. System.
"Moving the air" has zero effect on what anyone hears from drums that are all mic'ed up and processed through the system - and quite often, triggering sounds.
I agree, there is a translation lost with e kits. Primarily it is the sound person, they just lower the volume because they can. You have to have a way above average sound man to make them work and still there is something lost vs acoustic. They are a great as a tool in a small location but overall something is really missing that is hard tto explain.
Great. Electronic drums are much more dynamic, advanced, matured and pogressive. It's much more reluctant and easy to handle. You gotta make sure that every percussions can be played in that particular electronic drums. You gotta make sure that sound of every percussions can be adjusted, providing good sound effects. You gotta make sure, that, you can even add extra sound effects to that particular rhythm, to make it much more dynamic, fine and sweeter. You gotta develop it,✌️❤️
When we played WishTV up in Indy, my drummer used my roland kit with SD3, and set the guitarist up with my Quad Cortex, just went direct in and it worked really well. That's how we practice now too and use IEM's.. So much better for rehearsal, and im sure the nieghbors love it.
What happened to Nick’s arm?
I used my TD17 live just once but sounded awful and super flat, never tried it again, why could that be?
Nick- hurt wrist?
I like Vdrums. As a pro drummer and cruise ship drummer, its ture, however as the traditional music goes, you can apply the drum mindset on any drum, but the feel and fundamentals somehow counters the technique, its like, would buddym steve gadd, etc, the rawness, the grit, etc, thats the only think i see
Thank god….best band I’ve ever mixed was all direct….fighting loud drums loud gtrs ect are a sound man’s night mare
SWEEEEET WATEERRRRRR
Plz come to Vegas!
If you agree to pay for it, I'll consider it.
imagine nirvana with electric drums lol
Coolest of the cool.
so much depends on the sound guy. last summer I wanted to hear some dynamics out of the cymbals in tampa and they just weren't loud enough. the drums were ok but the whole kit needed to be louder out front. i was bummed because it sounded great. where I was sitting 10th row, I just couldn't hear it the way I wanted to.
So excited as a drummer and a sound tech that this is starting to turn a corner! More bands using EDrums!
Butch is the man, but for some reason a dead quiet stage & solid state modeling & DI amp setups sounds like the least punk thing ever
Learn how to set up drums right
Learn how to mix them right and they will be amazing
I am close to not going to live shows anymore...I hate these silent stages. Digital amps, drums...
I imagine he uses a click track all the way through.
and....
No thanks, and that’s from a big fan of Roland.
old head mentality
Thanks but no thanks. Would you ask a pro sax player to go on the road with a wind emulator, or a guitarist play with a synth axe, i think not. Acoustic drums have been utylized live for ages without issue. If you dig it great, most drummers will pass and if i have to explain why its a waste of my time.
Noooo nooo noooo. Saw them open for Tears for Fears and the electronic drums don’t translate. Butch is obviously brilliant BUT he’s not in the crowd watching. (Especially a musician in the crowd). I get it about stage volume etc but it 100% takes away from the energy of the show. Especially without cymbals. You couldn’t even hear his cymbals
You're wrong. Unless you are listening to vinyl records or cassettes (or reel to reel tapes), you are listening to SAMPLES, just like the samples in an electronic drum brain. It's all about how they are mixed and effected.
@@michaelanderson2881 That may be true sometimes but not always. I’ve never heard an electronic kit translate well in a live setting to the point I’m fooled it’s an acoustic kit. I can always tell. And, I will add, I own a TD-30 kit and use it a ton.
I agree in general
my experience in tampa as well. I was seriously bummed they didn't bump his kit volume up out front. of course I was 10th row. perhaps the speakers over my head were the problem. with acoustic drums when you are that close you hear them acoustically. e-kits they needed some massive center fill speakers to give the front rows a good drum sound perhaps. I wonder what it sounded like behind me. when I play e-drums with my band I'm using in ears but I bring a speaker to aim at the crowd from my drums...
Yes, and then you end up loving the massive tone of a giant acoustic drumset who unfortunately turns out to be mostly triggered.
Electronic drums are cool in principle and they have their place but the sounds they ship with are still unbearably cheesy.
That's funny, the pearl mimic sounds great straight out of the box.
lame
Too expensive and out of most peoples’ budget.
Because electronic drums are horrible
No, just no....
No no no you shouldn't do this unless you have your own samples!.. module sounds are total garbage live
Because Butch Vig is going to over-engineer your real drum kit to the point that it sounds exactly like a Dr. Rhythm anyway so might as well travel light when he's in charge.
Siamese Dream, Experimental Jet Set and Wasting Light have pretty natural sounding drums. Depends what band wants. Nevermind Devonshire mixes also sound much rawer.
I wish there were more videos about full electronic drum kits with gritty rock-genre bands. I got a lot of bad advice "electronic drums, that's impossible in rock" many years ago and still today, the traditionalists insist that drums must be acoustic to create a 'real' emotion. Then they end up blowing out everyone's eardrums and causing permanent hearing loss while still saying "it's gotta be played really hard and loud!"
To me if I can't still experiment that physical sensation where bass and drums are hitting me in the chest, i'm done playing music
@@jmasson3272 just get a good monitor at your feet and aim it at yourself. you will feel it 1,000%
@@superblondeDotOrg So i don't use an amp and a cab to ,then, use a monitor at my feet. Ridiculous
@@jmasson3272 you said YOU wanted to feel it in order to play and a monitor will give YOU that. the audience does not need to 'feel it in their chest' (and destroy their hearing). Or, a second option, you could grow up emotionally.
@@superblondeDotOrg 🤭🤦 dude, i think earplugs exist for a reason...Mine are made especially with a db filters but without filtering any frequencies. WE are numerous to appreciate the power of heavy and loud music. I may be an old "children" according to you, but to me, when I play music this physical approach and these sensations with volume are pure joy. If it's too loud for you, it's ok, but if some are not bothered and enjoy this, let 'em enjoy
Noel is cool ?
All electronic kits are garbage..... Only good for rehearsing.
No.
Nope
Not at all
Advice from a musician who participates in in a garbage woke musical endeavor is null and void. He's dead to me.