mftgdeserteagle I'll wait and see... unfortunatly, the new M3 and M4 still have fake engine sounds coming from the speakers, to fool it's owner. Fuck that my friend, fake sounds are so lame
Definitely not a Panamera. Not sure about the S7 as I've never driven one. The problem with the M6 for the sake of comparison is that it's kind of a German muscle car. Porsche doesn't make muscle cars. Mercedes/AMG would have a few cars that feel similar though.
What tires on each? Michelin pilot super sports on the m6 probably and the pilot super sports 2 on the Porsche if I had to guess. Big difference on the track don’t you think?
Great Video, about to watch Round 2 and 3. I am a Porsche man and am waiting on delivery of the Cayman GTS. I am always pulling for the Porsche in any contest!
Oh man, I think I remember seeing Sabine haul a Jaguar S type around Nurburgring at a record speed. I gotta see that video again. Between Carrera S and M6, that'd be a tough choice but I guess I'd have to go with the M6 as a daily driver, Carrera S for track day.
Whats with the 'lol' ? ofcourse I do... this 6 series shit is a coupe. if you are talking about the 4 door, then its a different thing... you mite wanna check and compare its speed and acc with tha panamera turbo
Slightly confused why they'd pair these cars together. M6 maybe a coupe but it's much more of a straight line monster where as the 911 is... a 911, made the the corners so obviously it would perform better on a track. Interesting nevertheless
BMW should ditch the turbo fad and go back to making proper straight six NA engines like they used to. Yes, power is nice, but that alone doesn't make a car great.
Doar Eu BMW and Porsche is totally different. BMW may not grip like Porsche isn't because they can't, it's because the purpose of ///M car is drifting. If it's about drifting points, I swear Porsche won''t keep up with any M car.
What setting were these tests done on? On or Off doesn't quite mean anything anymore. PS. We need to see the BM results with Tiff instead of the girl driving.
BMW is dead i am afraid. A front wheel drive MPV? Fake exhaust noises? Ugly looks? Weird crossovers that are not hatchback nor sedan (called GT?) ? Fuel economy as priority? Downsizing? 5 door Gran Coupes? Standard automatic with 8 gears on each model?? Electric cars? Nerdy gismos and 1200 suspension settings? BMW doesn't exist anymore.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 What's more important, your heart is dead, you fucking nerd. Trying to put 'intelligence' card here is a pretty, well, dumb move. elitist freak! You dont understand because you dont have emotions. Play with your fake ass computer cars and leave the real petrolheads to the talking. Minger. Launch control is for pussies.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 I know what i need to know. You only know digital crap. Why can't i use intelligence card? Getting to personal eh?? if you find it too hot under your feet, never join youtube again, lamo.
Two very different cars. 911 is a pure sports car, lower centre gravity but it does have less HP. M6 is more powerful also heavier and it's a gran tour not a sports car.
***** Wrong. Using your logic heavier car should have better grip (higher lateral g-force) in the corners, but thats not the case. Main factor here is mass (measure of inertia). And as we all know - inertia is the resistance of any physical object to any change in its state of motion, including changes to its speed and direction. It is the tendency of objects to keep moving in a straight line at constant velocity. So the less weight on the front the less likely car will suffer from understeer.
Once again, less inertia (mass) = less resistance to any change in speed and direction (less understeer on the front). Back end being heavier will have tendency to keep moving in a straight line, and that leads to tail happiness. It's physics. Tiff is a good driver, but not good at physics.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear-engine_design www.caranddriver.com/features/the-mid-vs-rear-engine-debate-porsche-cayman-r-vs-911-gt3-feature auto.howstuffworks.com/how-does-engine-placement-affect-handling.htm Quote from wiki: "A rear wheel drive, rear engine car tends to be prone to oversteer which allows for tighter turner radius than that of a neutral or understeer condition of a vehicle, however this causes vehicle instability."
Bmw got a little car segment , while merc have very much calsses The m6 goes against :cls , cl , and sl Audi does it worse than bmw , just have an overpriced r8
You betcha. The newer 911's understeer like snowplows, but with 450kg less mass than the huge BMW you do not have anything here that even approaches a fair comparison. You want to dress up and go to cocktail parties, the BMW is the car. If you want to drive, well...the Porsche is the only realistic choice in the price range. They failed to mention if the cars have the same tires. That makes more difference than whether the electronic shit is on or off.
+dont ask to be fair: that's not what a Porsche is made for. It's a car to have fun with, while the m6 looks quite sporty, but is more for comfort and a bit of family (until gpower get one in their hands, after that it's pretty much fun on 4 wheels)
Hahaha.. BMW should prefer more technology handling Daly use sedan.. Not add too much weight...too long too much weight.. BMW add too luxury things still can't compare with benz
A woman so full of fun and energy, it's hard to believe she's gone forever. Rest in peace Sabine you will be missed by many ❤️
We’ll all be gone forever one day… be nice to those you love
Im here because i just heard of her passing RIP Sabine!
400kg difference? Why are these two being compared?
Coupes
okay so im not the only one that saw that, that's going to make a huge difference...
Because there is also a 160hp difference.
Anthony DiGiovanni 160hp is irrelevant in a comparison like this.
Because it's Fifth gear
The Porsche is a small, lightweight, fast sports-car.
The BMW is a big, heavy, luxury grand tourer.
How are they rivals exactly?
Audi Rs7 and Mercedes CLS63 amg
The M5 is still cheaper than the Carrera S.
Fresh Dumbledore it's M6
The Carrera is consider a GT car now. The Cayman is their lightweight sports cars.
The Porsche is definitely more sport focused then the m6, but the Porsche is still sort of a luxary car.
BMW should focus and spend money on research to reduce the chassis weight instead of spending money on pumping fake sounds throught the cabin speakers
What comment ! Amazing :D
AND STOP MAKING POINTLESS CARS LIKE 2 Active Tourer, 3GT, 4 Series GC, X4...
They're already doing that, check out the new M3/M4. BMW has already said they will also focus more on reducing the weight for the next M5/M6.
mftgdeserteagle I'll wait and see... unfortunatly, the new M3 and M4 still have fake engine sounds coming from the speakers, to fool it's owner. Fuck that my friend, fake sounds are so lame
Jonny Oliveira LOL you judge a car by its engine sound? Is that really the most important thing for you? You, my friend, have some problems...
This is an odd comparison- heavy gt coupe that should be compared to either a s7, or cl or maybe the 4 door panamera
vs a straight up 911?
Definitely not a Panamera. Not sure about the S7 as I've never driven one. The problem with the M6 for the sake of comparison is that it's kind of a German muscle car. Porsche doesn't make muscle cars.
Mercedes/AMG would have a few cars that feel similar though.
You know you CAN disable the in-cabin engine speakers
Or you can just do a full exhaust system and set off every car alarm as you roll around downtown
Sabine and Tiff should get their own show. They are the modern day odd couple. Thanks guys.
Very well said! Great personalities and screen presence.
What tires on each? Michelin pilot super sports on the m6 probably and the pilot super sports 2 on the Porsche if I had to guess. Big difference on the track don’t you think?
What a humble person she was.
BMW's M cars are way too heavy. They're starting to become boats!
A226044 the new m3/m4 is lighter than the last generation. they recognized this issue and have said they plan to lower weight on future models
That chick is a badass driver love it!
Great Video, about to watch Round 2 and 3. I am a Porsche man and am waiting on delivery of the Cayman GTS. I am always pulling for the Porsche in any contest!
Both great drivers and very likable people on camera.
A proper sports for track car VS a grand tourer car to carry the golf gear.
not on the same level. As she said, the 911 Carrera is a race machine, powerful, light, and agile. The bmw is a cruise ship.
This isn't a fair test though. Different drivers!!!!
@tuddec the m6 has a turbocharged v8 the m4 has a straight six why would they compare a straight six engine ed car with a 911
the driver should be the same for both the cars.
I'll never get tired to suggest this to fifth gear for these kinds of test.
bmw for life
Well done Tiff, I bet it takes a lot to make Sabine screetch whilst in a car!
Love the BMW whatever the result, its NOT just/all about speed!
I had a BMW M6 competition, it was extremely fun but it was an expensive car to own for 3 years!
Tifff is just awfully talented!!!
He is a better driver than most of the young drivers!!
Oh man, I think I remember seeing Sabine haul a Jaguar S type around Nurburgring at a record speed. I gotta see that video again. Between Carrera S and M6, that'd be a tough choice but I guess I'd have to go with the M6 as a daily driver, Carrera S for track day.
Why would you not have the same driver for both cars? The experiment falls apart with too many variables. FAIL.
Anyway,, 3 mph difference when the weight gap is 400 kg. BMW take the win. Coz I bet Panamera Turbo won't do 73 mph.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 Panamera is much bigger, comfortable than bmw and seats 4 easy unlike bmw. dont compare
VIRAL VIDEOS Ha really? yeah much bigger but much slower on straight line.....
its more of a fast luxury car... 6 series doesnt come even close to its comfort levels... keep that in mind
Lol do u even know which is 6 series? What's your definition of comfort?
Whats with the 'lol' ? ofcourse I do... this 6 series shit is a coupe. if you are talking about the 4 door, then its a different thing... you mite wanna check and compare its speed and acc with tha panamera turbo
Why aren't theyy comparing the 911 with the M4 ?
This is an older reupload. The M4 hasn't been released yet.
Sabine the Legend!!
R.I.P. Sabiine
oh sabine...ja ja jaaaaaa!!!
Love both manufacturers ♡
Slightly confused why they'd pair these cars together. M6 maybe a coupe but it's much more of a straight line monster where as the 911 is... a 911, made the the corners so obviously it would perform better on a track. Interesting nevertheless
why do you give us this old footage?
BMW should ditch the turbo fad and go back to making proper straight six NA engines like they used to. Yes, power is nice, but that alone doesn't make a car great.
the v10 In my m6 is crazy fast
RIP Sabine 😢
5:10 wrong car?
M4 is probably a better match up (weight wise/power to weight ratio) than the M6
whatever the segment or weight of those beast i believe the M6 can do better she need to push hard in the corner like Tiff the legend !
Nice test!
I love you Sabine you are the best.
I love your driveing
They're not the same segment, the M4 is the competition of the 911.
This is an old video.
Just in theory....in practice not even the M4 can keep up with the 911
Doar Eu BMW and Porsche is totally different. BMW may not grip like Porsche isn't because they can't, it's because the purpose of ///M car is drifting. If it's about drifting points, I swear Porsche won''t keep up with any M car.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 Remind me again when was the last M car better than a 911 ?
Doar Eu ///M car always better than 911 with cheaper price.
M6s are expensive in the UK, For that price you could get a brand new GT3.
Apple & Orange!!
nothing better than BMW on tracks
This "test" is like a lightweight UFC fighter vs a heavyweight UFC fighter.
Porsche's 911 is the superior of the two vehicles in terms of build quality and driving experience.
Miss you Sabine
What setting were these tests done on? On or Off doesn't quite mean anything anymore. PS. We need to see the BM results with Tiff instead of the girl driving.
Porsche was, is, now,forever more shall be, the king of the corners. THAT is what being the Ultimate Driving machine is all about.
for a big GT cruizer, the BMW did itself proud.
Sabine is a racing driver,
Doesn't prevent her from screaming like a girl when the car is driven by someone else...
BMW forever
BMW is dead i am afraid. A front wheel drive MPV? Fake exhaust noises? Ugly looks? Weird crossovers that are not hatchback nor sedan (called GT?) ? Fuel economy as priority? Downsizing? 5 door Gran Coupes?
Standard automatic with 8 gears on each model?? Electric cars? Nerdy gismos and 1200 suspension settings?
BMW doesn't exist anymore.
Firemarioflower Your brain cells are dead i am afraid.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 What's more important, your heart is dead, you fucking nerd.
Trying to put 'intelligence' card here is a pretty, well, dumb move.
elitist freak! You dont understand because you dont have emotions. Play with your fake ass computer cars and leave the real petrolheads to the talking. Minger.
Launch control is for pussies.
Firemarioflower Don't even mention "intelligence card" in front of me, you know ZIP about cars.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 I know what i need to know. You only know digital crap.
Why can't i use intelligence card?
Getting to personal eh?? if you find it too hot under your feet, never join youtube again, lamo.
My first comment and like on this video!
How can you even compare these cars?????? The Porsche absolutely shits all over the filthy BMW!!! Porsche over BMW anyday :))
They should have tested the M6 against the 911 Turbo lol!
An odd comparison? Are they even the same class?
You should compare a Panamera to the M6. GT car vs a 2 seater? NO!
Two very different cars. 911 is a pure sports car, lower centre gravity but it does have less HP. M6 is more powerful also heavier and it's a gran tour not a sports car.
He say rear engine is a recipe for understeer. Actually vice versa.
***** Wrong. Using your logic heavier car should have better grip (higher lateral g-force) in the corners, but thats not the case. Main factor here is mass (measure of inertia). And as we all know - inertia is the resistance of any physical object to any change in its state of motion, including changes to its speed and direction. It is the tendency of objects to keep moving in a straight line at constant velocity.
So the less weight on the front the less likely car will suffer from understeer.
Once again, less inertia (mass) = less resistance to any change in speed and direction (less understeer on the front). Back end being heavier will have tendency to keep moving in a straight line, and that leads to tail happiness. It's physics. Tiff is a good driver, but not good at physics.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear-engine_design
www.caranddriver.com/features/the-mid-vs-rear-engine-debate-porsche-cayman-r-vs-911-gt3-feature
auto.howstuffworks.com/how-does-engine-placement-affect-handling.htm
Quote from wiki: "A rear wheel drive, rear engine car tends to be prone to oversteer which allows for tighter turner radius than that of a neutral or understeer condition of a vehicle, however this causes vehicle instability."
Hell no it's the finest Porsche ever, you're confused with the 911 Turbo hello.
Johnboy wasent realeased when this epwas realeased
Johnboy episode was realeased*
btw for life
The M6 should be against the CL63...
Bmw got a little car segment , while merc have very much calsses
The m6 goes against :cls , cl , and sl
Audi does it worse than bmw , just have an overpriced r8
Cl63 is like twice the price lol
You betcha. The newer 911's understeer like snowplows, but with 450kg less mass than the huge BMW you do not have anything here that even approaches a fair comparison. You want to dress up and go to cocktail parties, the BMW is the car. If you want to drive, well...the Porsche is the only realistic choice in the price range. They failed to mention if the cars have the same tires. That makes more difference than whether the electronic shit is on or off.
A sports car vs a land yatch.
I wish Alpina would make a D6
The dude in the vid is a real putz. How did he get a show?! Must be someone's brother-in-law..
We can t compare both cars the bmw is a gt the 911 is a sport car without compromise two different Segment
Carrera S vs M4.....
I don’t think an m6 is the car you should have used, you should have gone for the m3/4 competition
And you chose a tiny twisty track, the m6 is an m5 chassis
RIP SABINE SCHMITZ
The test should have been done by the same driver each time.
I wonder how a 2020 M235i would do.
Gt vs sports
I' m a porsche lover, but if had to choose between the 911 and the M6 I'd take the M6
and why?
+Pakmunawir Mamu Its bigger, front engined, and has a lot of comfi
+dont ask to be fair: that's not what a Porsche is made for. It's a car to have fun with, while the m6 looks quite sporty, but is more for comfort and a bit of family (until gpower get one in their hands, after that it's pretty much fun on 4 wheels)
BMW's M division has become M-uscle Division
Is it me or does the guy actually takes a much more efficient turn with optimal route, and the lady doesn't look very skilled
Clarence Chen do you even know who she is? Bwahahahaaaaa
Golfbags, bags in M6 tailgate 😅
BMW IS THE BEST ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ☝ ☝ ☝ ☝
R8 would have been a better competitor
RIP Sabine
What the huge M6?
~160 HP difference, are you kidding me?
Great match-up..."Yeshua/Jesus is the way"
There are plenty of substitutes for a BMW. Porsche is for those who take driving seriously.
How the fuck would you compare these two? They're not even in the same league.
It's like comparing smart to a phantom.
They obviously needed a decent driver that day thats why they didn't need vicky .
WTF 560hp vs 400hp??
I wonder if they were driving an automatic xD
Hahaha..
BMW should prefer more technology handling Daly use sedan..
Not add too much weight...too long too much weight..
BMW add too luxury things still can't compare with benz
I love her....
Love this comparison, check out this classic 911 in red ua-cam.com/video/-1e3wNVC7oA/v-deo.html
Fifth gear always amazing videos
Maybe its just me. I just can't stand watching people sitting on the hood (bonnet) of their cars.
What a cutie she is.
Look up PASM and PSM...fail.....
🚙🚗🏎
¿Porque siempre que hay un BMV compra otra marca siempre lo conduce una mujer?
Try a drag race, the M6 will piss on that sausage.
Whoa whoa whoa the 911 carrera S is far from the "finest" Porsche. I sure hope he was joking haha
yea, get the Turbo S, and watch out 😂👌
damn porsche is alot faster on corner .