How I Turned My Boss Katana Into A Marshall JCM800
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- How I Turned My Boss Katana Into A Marshall JCM800
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Everyone knows the more dust you have on your Katana the better the tone
Dust Tone 🤘🏽
Mine should sound amazing based on that.......
LMAO! I was just gonna say the same thing! Its amp relic job! 😂
So as our piano 😂
I can flow with that.
Wow… I was not expecting this video to be THAT popular! Thanks for the support guys, follow up video coming on Sat with an interesting result🤘🏽
You're only maxing the master in the 100W setting. That drives the power amp section to distortion/compression. Why this isn't made clear to people is a mystery. Try doing that with the Power Control at 0.5W and turn the Amp Volume knob up for the amount of amp section response vs volume you want. Experiment with the Amp Volume and Master for the distortion/compression character and feel for a given output level. The EQ may also be just b4 the amp section as well, but I don't know.
So you're going to upload your patch files to the Facebook group right? So we can all get your killer tone?!
Made us think differently about are katakana's
Does this work for the 50w version?
The mysterious UA-cam algorithm... It would be easier to find DB Cooper than it would to figure out how what UA-cam considers a watchable video.
Yes! The 100W setting with the cranked master is that "real amp" sound people think modelers can't achieve.
The Katana is technically not a modelling amp...it doesn't try to mimic any other amps, it's got it's own "sound(s)"
@@marklnz technically, semantics can really make the internet a frustrating place.
Yes, the katana doesn't model anything in particular. They just use digital technology to create amp sounds that remind everyone of some incredibly popular styles of amps to make it appeal to the masses. I'll never generalize on the internet ever again. Lesson learned.
NOT the real JCM800 sound. It’s a way to get Katana sound the most realistic it can. I have 1959, 2203, 2555 (original) and also a 100W katana so i know. Katana is like a tricycle version of the real deal.
@@RandyWillcox My understanding is....and why guys point it out is, That not only are the Katana's NOT trying to copy any specific amp. They do not use ANY digital technology in the gain stage. 100% Solid State. ...The effects are all Digital. Including the Booster/Distortion/Overdrive pedals. Zoom used to make their Multi-FX like that and some still prefer the old one's. ( Like I do).
@@RandyWillcox The preamp is 100% analog, so is the power amp.
I have an interesting update to follow this video soon. Having had a really good chat with Boss! 🤘🏽
Sounds interesting
New katana dirty channel?
Thank you dear Rob Chapman, BOSS/ROLAND companies and Mr. Yoshi Ikegami !!! :-)
The sound is killing good, wide and punchy! You blew my mind with this video also!
Thank you and greetings from Bulgaria, from one of your huge fans there! :-)
Looking forward to it!
As an owner and operator of the Boss 100 Mk1 I cannot say enough about how fantastic this amp and line is. While its packed with built in tones as Rob demonstrates, I also love running my pedals thru the clean channel and my looper thru the FX Loop. Pure Rock Bliss. Thing launched in 2016 and we are still talking about it. If you don't have one then give in and GET IT!!!! :)
Try running through the acoustic channel as a platform, I found it much better than the clean channel and doesn't color the signal as much... (even for doom etc) headroom feels different also...
I also have the same MK1 and I cannot believe the great bang for the buck it is.. It even has an acoustic channel..
You think it’s a good amp now, throw a greenback in. Brings it to life
@@BrandonEhtalnico blue one is better
@Dung Eater I had a Peavey Vypyr 30 before switching to the Katana 100 MK 1 a few years back. Best move I made. Absolutely love the Katana
The answer is YES and I heard from a mate who works in a guitar shop…..who heard from a Boss rep that the amp is specifically designed to fatten up and compress a little bit like a vale amp when ran at full master volume (using the channel volume to set your level)
I run mine at 0.5w with the master volume on full and then set the volume I want with the channel volume. It’s awesome.
Thank you Rob, BOSS/ROLAND companies and Yoshi Ikegami !!!
The sound is killing good, wide and punchy! You blew my mind with this video also!
Thank you and greetings from Bulgaria, from one of your huge fans there! :-)
The 50watt option is the goat on this amp
I just can't get over how good that amp sounds
You are spot on Rob, I heard the difference straight away! It sounds more powerful even though the volume is the same. Sorry it took so long to find your video .
I practice all the time with my Mini on the brown setting. I personally love that Boss Brown sound. Whatever you did kicked it up a notch for sure.
I've noticed that about the Katana when I play through it. It responds very similarly to a true tube amp when you dial back your volume knob on the guitar. You can have full distortion and dial it all the way down to almost completely clean without switching channels. The overdrive on this thing is amazing because it responds so well to volume and tone adjustments on the guitar. My old Line 6 Bogner tube amp had amazing heavy distortion tone but it didn't matter what you did with the guitar. It basically put out the same amount of crunch no matter what with only minor differences even between pickup changes. I'm blown away by this thing with no tubes. It's still not quite as silky as a true tube amp, but it's so close I don't really care for tooling around in the bedroom. If I was laying down tracks in a recording studio I might get silly about the tone again, but even then, the line out on this amp sounds even better than it does through its own power amp, so I might not care even then.
I here a difference although it is pretty subtle over YT. I have a Katana 2 100w head and it rocks at almost all volume settings, even through the internal speaker. I agree with your perception. Amazing line of amps! I also own a 5150 iconic combo and can say I love them both. Boss and EVH sound great! They are the average persons tone tools that punch way above their price point.
Rob your an awesome musician man. Love your videos❤️❤️🎸🎸🎸
I believe your right Rob! To me it sounds better, there's a big midshift it sounds like, the regular mode feels inherently more scooped!
You are correct I did that a few years ago when I bought my Katana! Put it through the test just now a big difference!
The Katana is amazing, seriously even if you don't NEED an amp, if you can afford one go for it, you won't regret it.
That Katana sounds mint. The best new range of amps to come out in many a long day.
Just tried this on my katana 100 mk1 and it’s so true! the bottom end really comes through more on the 100 Watt setting even on low volume. Even the clean channel sounds great with this
I agree. It definitely sounds better and more tube. I can't wait to test it out at my next jam rehearsal. I always play at 50 watts so going to 100 watts will likely give that richer tone. Thank you for sharing.
I've always thought 90db from my Katana 100 MK1's 100w power setting sounded better than 90db from 50w and lower settings. The best test is to set up a db meter and compare various ways of attenuating the signal with: (1) low volume; (2) low master; and (3) ox box or some other attenuator. Record your guitar part on a looper to get identical playing, then compare the three sounds blind.
Sounds great either way man ! Brilliant.
Absolutely no doubt it does. Sounds amazing!
I have had my 100 MkII now since Christmas and got the foot controller last week. Got a great deal because it was a floor demo and the controller was a scratch/dent special. The only gig I do is an open mic night at my local club every other Thursday. I do a 3 song set where I play over a backing track. This amp is perfect for things like that. I know when I plug it in and hit the power switch, it's going to work. And it is easy to move. But the more I use it and play around with the settings, I find new little Easter Eggs I never thought of before. Rob is right, the power settings influence all the tones and depending on your guitar, you can get real close to what we would all call the Holy Grail sounds of our favorite records. That's a feat that many modelers strive towards, not many make the cut.
Damn bro exactly what i wanted to see great vid , great to see you still going making sick videos after all these years
Definitely made a difference. I did this when I owned a 100W katana a year ago and noticed it.
I got a MkII 50 just recently to use as a jazz guitar amp, with a guitar with a carved spruce arched top and a floating pickup. Even for this task, running the Volume and Master controls at least 75% up - along with running the power at 50 watts - is crucial to thicken up the tone. I then use the Gain control as my amp volume control. Of course, with the archtop the Gain never goes above 25% or so, and is often lower.
man, that sounds pretty convincing, even through desktop speakers with my laptop. I'm thinking that amp is going to be my next one, and I already have a Marshall JCM 2000 DSL-100 with a 4/12 cab. Most definitely a very nice sound you're getting there.
I had the exact same amp. Loved my Marshall. But since buying the 100 watt Katana head and a 2-12 avatar cab I’m blown away by how it sounds!
It helps to think of this configuration like an early 80’s peavy saturation control
I've had my Boss Katana mk2 50w for maybe 3 or 2.5 years (it was made in 11/2020 and I bought it second hand) and I'm just now, figuring out a lot of about it. For 1, I didn't know that there were different setting in the Boss Tone Studio such as tone shape global, cab resonance, Contour, Presence and Solo. When I found those, I was like "wtf! this amp just got that much better!". Also, you can program different pedal chains and switch between them (with the software) - So many possibilities!
At some point, I reset my Katana and put it back to the factory presets. Then, the software stopped working on my pc, so I just played around with the stock settings. I play really fast metal, lots of down picking, rapid alternate picking, plenty of chugs and chugs with riffage, stuff like that, and I use the Brown type, gain around 5, volume cranked, bass at around 7.6 and treble at 7, mids at 3.5 if I'm sweeping the mids and maybe 5.5, if I'm not, and master at 2 on 50 watt mode (2 for practicing at home...although it needs to go to 4.5 to really start sounding like a valve amp). I've noticed that while the other modes, sound great, the 50 watt or max setting (if you have the 100 watt) is where the magic is at. The AB power amp is a wonderful thing.
I do use the Boost effect (tube screamer, on like 2 max) and I like a little reverb and delay - I know that reverb is something that you should probably add to distortion as an after effect but I play, lead, and like a tad bit of reverb to liven up the place and a tad bit of delay, tapped as fast as possible. I haven't messed around with the FX or Mod settings but now that I reinstalled all the software, my pc recognizes my katana, again, and I'm going to put some effects on there, that I like.
Anyone who doesn't like the Katana 50 watt and 100 watt, is off their rocker. A true swiss army knife of an amp, perfect for writing at home, practicing at home, etc. I'm done typing really fast...going to go play some fast guitar, now.
I used to do this with my Fender Frontman. Max one of the volumes and tweak the other. Worked a treat for such a little amp.
On my Katana Artist, I like to add a Boss Compression Sustainer pedal between the guitar and the amp. I use my guitar volume knob to control the level of articulation and definition of the sound. With the amp cranked and volume knob set to 10 on the guitar, you'll get the result of a guitar where you hear every note in its clarity of attack like when you hit the keys on the piano with no effects or sustain to it, just like in this video demonstration. When I roll the volume knob on the guitar down to 1.5 to 2 on the knob, you'll get this amazing breathing, sustain coming out of the amp. It sounds like its pushing the "valves" harder and is opening it up further with sustain. When you barely have the guitar volume knob set on between .5 to 1 you get a clean sound with just the right added slight dirty distortion with again the feeling of the amp breathing with using the added compression sustainer pedal. The other benefit, is ease of use for the player. Makes the guitar more responsive and sensitive to the touch for the guitar player. For me, I get more interaction out of my guitar by doing this method and come up with some amazing results.
110% YES. I own a 100w 110v and a 50w 220v that I use in US and Europe (voltage depending) Same results. I don't know which sounds more like what, but I know it sounds different. I prefer the wattage and master set all the way up, and trim the actual room level by pulling down the 1st stage channel volume. Rather than using lower wattage and lower master, I prefer higher power and higher master with lower 1st stage. For me, it's the breakup sound I prefer. (Mindful I'm not chasing heavy distortion, but a certain light breakup tone.) I don't know how or why, but YES, it does make a difference.
Best tone ive gotten out of my mk11.. Ive had it for 7 years.. Better late than never. Thanks Rob
Great tips Rob, thank you man!
Hi Rob!
Been doing this ever since I got my Katana Artist. The Master on full gives it a more tube like feel and sound. And I got the tip from the first Video Andertons did at Namm, when the MKII Katana came out. I think it was Pete and Lee who made the demo and they were told by Boss to crank the Master.
Cheers
Yes! Me too, I got a Katana cuz of Pete and the Captain haha! Just bought it today, and this was the first thing I did 😂
Yep! It's kind of an open secret. I'll match my Boss Katana Head to any overpriced tube head on the market.
@@redacted5035 What about the reasonably priced ones?
@@aavavertu229 I'll match my Katana vs any boutique or cheap 1-watt-1-tube handmade amp, any affordable amp, etc, I can't stress enough how much of a game changer this device is.
*if anything* just wait for whatever the hell the wizards at Roland have cooking for the Katana 2 or whatever is coming 😁
@@redacted5035 The ain't bad for the price by any means. I have the Artist head in my home studio and use it for a few specific things, namely some more compressed modern cleans. In the mix it can be made impossible to distinguish from some tube amps.
Dear Rob, I'm glad we've go similar hands. This gives me hope in my own playing. I've been a bit envious of Steve Vai who seems to have extremely long, spider-like fingers.
WAY different! Thanks for sharing man
Katana line is a must have...never got to hear an amp with so many (usable) tonal options...even the mini version brings a nice distortion tone. Their brown sound is rad and transforms itself with a little few notches on EQ. Love it
I feel like the highs are more clear and present in the 50 watt mode. Sounds great. On my katana I always use the lower watt setting and then drive the hell out of it. I swear it sounds better.
I have the head and I definitely hear and feel a difference going to the 100 watt setting. Better bass response and attack! Great vid!
Guess I'll be the first to say... You gotta dust that thing off every once and a while Rob! lol
I was thinking the exact same! But I'm guilty of letting some of my gear collect dust...............
Ha ha I know man… but I like the slightly aged/relic look
@@RobChappers ALL of my amps used to get dirty just sitting in the practice room. Would have to clean the controls sometimes. So now I am a true believer in amp covers. My Marshalls, Orange, etc all have covers now!
It definitely has a cleaner, clearer sound . They have the same amount of gain. I definitely like the second version better.
thanks Rob,
i was trying to get that tone but fell just short of it every time. finally found this vid, and VIOLA! the magic starts to happen!
bought my mk i head for $125 w/cover.
cha cha cha!
Hi Rob.
I found this hack somewhere documented in the Boss Katana forums. On lower power control settings you turn on the volume up, 7 to 8-9, then set the master to obtain the desired volume. Then you start feeling the reaction on your fingers. Harmonics and distortion like a tube screamer to a valve amp. The treble boost overdrive helps a lot to get a beautiful breakup sound on the clean channel. Gotta try it... Thanks for your video
Your absolutely right to my ears
Yes. Even with the 50watt, it makes a huge difference.
I have the boss katana 50 mk2 yes the different power settings effect the tone... when your driving more wattage to the speaker it helps it shine!
I Think Your Both Right.The gain structure in the preamp reacts to the master vol. And the power Amp does the magic it does without much change at any volume. The power Amp alone is ❤
Yes. I noticed the same thing with my blues cube artist. The max watt setting even at the same db level provides a more dynamic and full sound than the lower wattage settings.
I have played out a lot with mine and there is a difference when the power amp is cranked. At the same type out practicality I do use it as intended, set the master where it sounds good and control the general volume with the watts settings. Oddly the preamp volume does not color the sound as much as one would expect. I do tend to rely more on what I previously described out of need to get the amp to behave similarity at any volume. Nothing is worst than dialing things to how you like them to go play a venue and have the amp sound totally different. I tend to deal more with amps internal eq options to push in which ever direction I am trying to go, specially the eq section after the preamp. Years ago I payed $250 for an MKI and I got to say it is still impressive. I am still disappointed that Boss won’t invest the amp with a proper stereo delay nor a stereo output for live performance. I know there is the two amp option but the angle of this rig is supposed to be grab and go, in other words to carry less stuff.
Your guitars are so resonant! I really need to get one
Love this, Rob! The key to great Katana tone does seem to be cranking the master volume. I discovered this on a random guitar forum while googling "how to get a great clean tone from Boss Katana MKII." The answer was (a) crank the master volume, (b) use the "crunch" channel, and (c) turn the gain almost all the way down. But there doesn't seem to be any tone that one would reasonable seek that isn't enhanced by maxing out the master volume. The one you are exploring here is an excellent one for a nicely driven tone. Many thanks!
Hi Rob! I think 2 things are at play here. The first thing is compression. If the amp section is designed to be wide open and the overall volume depends on how much signal you give it you may have more compression at lower volume due to padding the pre-amp's output down to mimic less wattage. At the higher setting less of this type of compression takes place and more harmonics can be heard as a result. The other thing is damping. If you have more power to move the speaker, you also have more power to stop the speaker from moving. Basically you have more control of transients and thus more low level detail is audible and you have more bandwidth in terms of frequencies. The result is that the amp might sort of sound like a class A amp at 50watts and a class A/B amp at 100watts even tho from the standpoint of the actual electronics it's either one or the other, more than likely class A/B. Since Marshall amps are class A/B it makes sense that it would sound more "Marshallesque" in the 100watt setting.
I get the exact opposite impression when I play through this amp. I used to run an in line MXR EQ and Boss OS/2 overdrive pedal through that with my tube amps on clean though, so I might be just missing that compressed sound when I crank this amp up. It sounds solid state to me with high master volume, especially on the distortion channels, and more tube like at lower master distortion/crunch channels. With a tube amp the louder you crank it, the better it tends to sound to me, especially when you're looking for that natural distortion sound. The clean and acoustic channels on the Boss sound great to me at any volume though.
I have to say, Chappers, I didn't hear a difference, using headphones on yt. However, what I did hear, was two versions of a cranked tube amp coming out of a wholly transistor amp - an extraordinary feat from the team at Boss. Yet another demonstration that Boss are leading the field in amp technology.
P.S. I have a Mk1 2x12 Katana - should I warn the neighbours before trying this?!! WOW!!
" was just chatting with the boss of BOSS" 😂 how many people can say that.only the best and most recognisable pedal company EVER!
Yes, it does change the sound. I play out with a katana regularly and the preamp volume, master, and watt setting all change the tone and are related to each other.
Doesn't sound different to me but your ears are legendary, Rob. I trust yours over mine.
I used to use the katana head exclusively in my band for about 2 years. To my ear, the 100w setting sounded more full and saturated at the same room volume level than it did on lower power settings. I've since sold it, and now only have the 50w combo, so I'm going solely off memory.
why did u keep the 50w over the 100?
@@ymelfilm i kept the 50w combo for a practice amp. Sold the 100w head and cab for a 5150.
Yes! There sounds like it has a fuller gain structure and its really bumping the low end with more of a thump! The low thump is very much a Marshall type tone at 100 watts!
Yell yeah Rob. It’s been a while. Love your style.
It does sound fantastic now question there, mainly cause your playing. Great demonstration.
Thank you very much sir!
Been using my katana 100 for 2 years now amd this settings kick arse on my Telecaster 😂
Well made modelers will indeed model also the poweramp, including its reaction to different settings. I use Fractal modelers, but I'm sure the same applies here. What I notice, more than a shift in tone, is a change in how the rig feels. First compression, and then gradually more saturation as the MV is turned up. Saturation will eventually change the tone too, from tight and punchy to bloomy and full.
Different settings make me play differently because the rig reacts differently.
Rob seems to be experiencing that here.
This is not a modeler. All the pre amp is solid state, their voicings are their own thing. Only effects are digital
@@ClaimedEaglethere are no effects on the amp
Just tried it with my Mk1, 100 and there is a difference. I really like the 100w setting. To me it brings the amp alive even at lower volume levels.
Yes absolutely, ive always justified it by thinking that "power control" sets the voltage of the whole gain circuit, while the volume knob just attenuates the actual volume output. once i started playing with my katana i noticed it sounds better if set to 50 watt (i have the smaller amp) and I've just messed with volume to make it tolerable for neighbors.
Boss themselves have said this. It's how they recommend using it.
awesome! I just started learning this amp
Yep sure does. I never quite loved the sound on my Katana until I started putting the master up and controlling the volume with the channel volume.
Usually I'll just use the crunch channel with one of the built in overdrives.
I agree with you on this having owned a Katana.
Great video. I noticed it immediately before you even explained our theory. Both settings sounded great but there was something extra when the master was cranked and the power was moved to 100 watts. Send us more hacks please Rob!!
They both sound good to me. I think this deserves an Anderton's "Blind Challenge"
GOOD JOB, WELL DONE
Sounds pretty damn good to me!! 🤘🏻🤙🏻
An older friend about 40 years ago was the first I seen use this trick to play a few AC/DC tunes on a small Samick practice amp gave it boost he wanted.
I have been using this trick for a long time for my Fender Blues Jr to get almost the same affect as the “amp return” since it doesn’t have the effect loop. I get all my dirt from pedals and since there is no effect loop in Blues Jr. I turn down the preamp volume to lowest setting as possible which allows me to turn up the master volume significantly. I got many compliments after the show that how I get a Marshall sound out of Fender Blues Jr.
I know of course the possibilities are almost endless with a Katana. But I'd love a vid of a few tones you dial in
I love your playing. I bought one when they first came out and I'm going to test your theory as soon as I finish watching your video. By the way, mine is as dusty as yours . I use a small paint brush and one of those compressed air cans so it doesn't mess up the settings.
The Magick tone❤it
I done all kinds of things with my katana, like going from fx send on jcm 900, into power amp of katana, but also use the katana a lot and the jcm 900 as a power amp only. its fun to experiment. I have also done the using only katana cab, with the vox and always mixing stuff up.
I think you are right man, it sounds less muddled
I also feel the same. To me, it has more harmonic richness as you said, and seems just a bit fuller and more musical.
Yes! I now set my 50w mk2 Katana to full master on crunch Chanel, it sounds great. I even push a Cry Baby and a TS trough it. The volume gets a bit twitchy but still enough control. Thanks! Cheers, MC
im doing this set up in the mk2 10w head through a marshal Cleston green cab and omg yes must try
🤘LOVE the Boss Katana
I have the Katana Artist... My neighbours are gonna love me over the next few days putting this to the test! Seriously though, I'm going to try it out, but also need to reset some of my patches before a gig on 20th... But who needs an excuse to crank up an amp in a block of flats... 😂😂
Yep definitely crank the master, I got a 2x12 version and been gigging with it, funny thing is I don't think it has to be on the 100 watt setting, mine seems to work on the lower settings as long as its on full. I done some gigs with it on the lowest setting (0.5) with electric drums. I was using a Blackstar ht40 but moved to the Kat now.
I’ve always run the master at 3 o’clock on every power setting.☮️
Yes. Sounds different. Yet better!
Yep, it's definitely creating the sag I'd expect to hear from a tube amp. It would be interesting to A-B the sensitivity when rolling off the guitar's volume. Does one clean up better than the other?
I agree with you 100% Rob. 100 watt, gun the master, bring up volume slowly, brown setting. I heard that crunch a Marshall gives you and the tone. I like it. Wonder what a Gibson les paul would sound like on that setting. Nice!
Good test! That said you gotta level match those changes with an app to be sure it’s “the same” level out of the speaker.
Our eyes deceive our ears very effectively.
Can confirm and replicate similar behavior with the Nextone Special which is your amp's cousin in a lot of ways. Pushing the master creates a modest amount of sag, some roll off of the treble, less note to note clarity, and increased compression. The higher wattage settings have more headroom before power section clipping. The stepping of volume at the lowest settings on the 100 Watt section is because of the taper on the knob at it's lowest settings be a bit notching rather than smooth. Happens with the Nextone too.
Yoshi is an amazing human being! I've corresponded with him on many occasions.
I've totally done this with my previous 50MkII! Ha!
The master vol within it's dynamic relation to channel vol + gain is absolutely where these amps shine IMO.
Brilliant design!
I'm assuming it's because Yoshi went with a Class A/B power amp design over Class D typically used by competitors?
I really miss my KATANA %0 MkII, and regret parting with it.
I definitely want a 100 mkII to power my new Fractal FM3.
Possibly a second later on for DynIR splitting and stereo FX?
Great vid Chappers!
Best practice amp on the market.👍
50 watts (to me) sounds a bit darker or Muddy? More clarity, articulation and bite in the 100. They both sound good but I'd probably take the 100 watt setting as my favorite. it sounds like actual valves cooking (if that's even possible for a digital amp.) I do have a 100 MK2 and I get some great stuff out of it (I use it with an actual pedal board.)
Team yes with an observation. Other than low end I think when you switch to 100W the bigger headroom in the power section gives you more sparkly harmonics
I threw on headphones to listen to the difference between 1:22 and 3:12, and the treble definitely holds on, but there is a fullness to the mids my old ears can hear in the 100W setting. I'm going to test this out tonight with my MKII Artist head through my Origin 2X12 and see if I can replicate it. Although, I also realize I don't have Chapper fingers, or skill, so it will end up being mud.
I love my Katana's! I would love more tips like this. Anything for the mark 2?
Rob ,that's definitely a close marshall sound, but if you run that through a tube preamp I think that would nail it .
Idk if it sounds different but it sounds better
No but for real I bought a Katana 100w like 7/8 years ago based on your recommendation and have never regretted it. I mainly play through plugins since it’s easier in a small bedroom but when I bust out the Boss I feel so much better