Secret scene if you visit Whiterun first time as Ulfric's messenger in Skyrim

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  • Опубліковано 2 лис 2022
  • In this video, I'll show you what happens if you visit Whiterun first time as Ulfric's messenger in Skyrim.
    💎 I wish you the most enjoyable viewing! 💎
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    Secret scene if you visit Whiterun first time as Ulfric's messenger in Skyrim
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  • @TIMENGGG
    @TIMENGGG  Рік тому +33

    💎 *Secret scene if you visit Whiterun first time as Tullius messenger ------->* ua-cam.com/video/_BO5jQjJPAI/v-deo.html

  • @ragingkid4248
    @ragingkid4248 Рік тому +1951

    Imagine being Balgruuf, seeing ONE simple stormcloak soldier kill a DRAGON by HIMSELF and you still join the imperials.

    • @samuelhaverghast2442
      @samuelhaverghast2442 Рік тому +1

      He doesn't like Ulfric, he sees what Ulfric's supporters do not see, a power hungry dictator that cannot be reasoned with, it has to be his way or death, if it wasn't for him acknowledging that Alduin is back, he wouldn't enter a peace treaty with the Empire in Season unending

    • @HappyShibba
      @HappyShibba Рік тому +289

      Based Balgruuf

    • @lostliberty9913
      @lostliberty9913 Рік тому +161

      @@HappyShibba Cringe Balgruuf

    • @rejvaik00
      @rejvaik00 Рік тому +105

      Ballin'
      Jarl ballin
      SWAG

    • @georges2842
      @georges2842 Рік тому +1

      Truly a testament of how much of an asshole Ulfric is

  • @DanteD84
    @DanteD84 Рік тому +681

    I like asking Jarl Ballin what side he’s on in the war. He ends it with one day he’ll have to choose but “that day has not yet come” and then I promptly hand him Ulfric’s axe 😂😂😂

    • @felynecomrade
      @felynecomrade Рік тому +101

      "The day may come where I am forced to draw my blade, either for one side, or the other.
      But that day has not come yet."
      "Guess again, fucker."

    • @ragethewolf
      @ragethewolf 5 місяців тому +2

      Oh axe ok I don't why I read it is as something else 😅

  • @indrickboreale7381
    @indrickboreale7381 Рік тому +313

    The Messenger when he refuses to get the Dragonstone so civil war is stopped and dragon will never attack again: "I BROUGHT PEACE, FREEDOM, SECURITY..."

    • @jamiehughes5573
      @jamiehughes5573 Рік тому +11

      *then joins the imperials*

    • @kamixakadio2441
      @kamixakadio2441 Рік тому +40

      "TO MY NEW EMPIRE!"
      Titus Mede the 2nd: "YOUR NEW EMPIRE?"

    • @AsobiMedio
      @AsobiMedio Рік тому +15

      @@kamixakadio2441 Listener of the Dark Brotherhood: "YES!"

    • @furimindusties5736
      @furimindusties5736 Рік тому +3

      New Harbinger: *draws enchanted sword*

    • @hunterdude113
      @hunterdude113 2 місяці тому +1

      @@furimindusties5736Nightengale with 100 Sneak, Pickpocket: *Steals the Harbinger’s sword, replaces it with Ysgramor’s soup spoon*

  • @bishop1412
    @bishop1412 Рік тому +100

    Skyrim belongs to whoever's left when I'm done killing the Thalmor and the people in my way.

  • @SobeCrunkMonster
    @SobeCrunkMonster Рік тому +125

    “you cant attack me, im dealing with other things right now” good writing Todd and Emil, i wonder how you havent gotten awards for it yet.

    • @cremlindor6607
      @cremlindor6607 Рік тому +25

      Well Technically no. He says he'll keep the axe, which means that he's siding with Ulfric, or at least as he says "tenuous peace at best"

    • @TaysanGalovu
      @TaysanGalovu 3 місяці тому +1

      Ulfric: attempts to attack Balgruuf.
      Game: "This person is busy"

  • @thomastismyname9203
    @thomastismyname9203 Рік тому +150

    I always hated that it funnels you into the main story like this. Because it goes from: sending a capable person who managed to survived Helgen, to: literally sending the messenger on a death errand before hearing their message.
    If he refused to hear the message, then the messenger would have come right back and the attack would have still occurred, but without imperial resistance. I feel like it wouldn't have been that much extra dialogue to have an alternative scenario.

    • @furimindusties5736
      @furimindusties5736 Рік тому +5

      It would be cool, if depending on your actions, their sequence and dialog options, it would change how you take or defend Whiterun.
      If your the Harbinger the Companions participate alongside you.
      There could be a stealthy version where you sneak in and let in the storm cloaks as a double agent.
      You could have the blades as a personal army.
      Take the city before it receives imperial help, op comment.
      Catapult yourself over the walls, does this need explanation?
      Dragon, yes.
      I'm running out of ideas.
      Dawnguard army.
      Maybe you did something to change your position/rank, you already command some group or army, well you have some say in how the siege goes.
      Also convincing Balgruuf to join the Stormcloaks, either as a slicked tongue Stormcloak.
      Or as a really clumsy worded imperial.
      Ofcourse this is just ramblings.

  • @wanderdragon1075
    @wanderdragon1075 Рік тому +149

    Wouldn’t it be cool if this was a hidden way to get Whiterun to side with Ulfric instead?

    • @BrianSmith-jx7td
      @BrianSmith-jx7td Рік тому +26

      That's how Bethesda should have done it, I always side with the stormcloaks but I really like Jarl Balgruuf, If only he did join the stormcloaks instead of the imperials besides it doesn't make sense it's known that he worships talos and that he is a true nord he definitely would not be an Empire supporter.

    • @vaasmontenegro481
      @vaasmontenegro481 Рік тому +16

      @@BrianSmith-jx7td Except Balgruuf is actually smart and knows the Empire is the best chance Skyrim and all of Tamriel has for waging war on the Thalmor.

    • @furimindusties5736
      @furimindusties5736 Рік тому +3

      ​@@vaasmontenegro481 I think an overlooked reason could also be regional instability, Ulfric carved his way to the throne with iron and flame. Who's to say that if his rule is found unsatisfactory, another may not attempt the same.
      Nevermind if for some reason the moot chose not to make him king, which is unlikely. But it is possible this situation could lead to further civil wars.

    • @ssilent8202
      @ssilent8202 Рік тому +17

      @@vaasmontenegro481the empire is literally a puppet what are they gonna do 💀

    • @167thSpartan
      @167thSpartan 10 місяців тому +7

      ​@@ssilent8202They're in a cold war with the Thalmor. It's literally hinted at by both sides, Tullius and the Thalmor both acknowledge the "peace" is temporary.
      It's a game. The Empire is trying to rebuild it's strength while the Thalmor is doing everything in its power to slow this down via trying to keep the civil war at a stalemate, and just plain running amok in Tamriel.
      Fun little tidbit, humans reproduce and replenish much faster than Elves.

  • @thegentlemanfish7504
    @thegentlemanfish7504 Рік тому +59

    I was always disappointed that Balgruuf couldn't be swayed to the Stormcloaks. Its implied he could be but the option isn't there.

  • @scipioafricanus2212
    @scipioafricanus2212 Рік тому +23

    Ulfric: "I give you my axe. It is an ultimatum. Join me or I will invade Whiterun."
    Balgruuf: "No, I have a dragon problem, you will have to wait."
    Ulfric: "Oh okay..."

  • @TheFurryMemelord
    @TheFurryMemelord Рік тому +660

    Kinda disappointing that the game forces you into doing the main story quest but still a nice attention to detail nonetheless

    • @Toxin___InterHalfer
      @Toxin___InterHalfer Рік тому +66

      To be fair it's the DRAGONS we're talking about

    • @petercross1879
      @petercross1879 Рік тому +10

      ​@@Toxin___InterHalfer the game doesn't force you to do anything

    • @battlesheep2552
      @battlesheep2552 Рік тому +75

      I mean, it's established that Balgruff cares more about dragons threatening his citizens than the petty politics of the civil war, just remembered how he responded to Avenicci warning about sending guards to Riverwood.

    • @smji5269
      @smji5269 Рік тому +34

      @@battlesheep2552 Dragons attacking Whiterun means they can wipe out the entire city, he's got his priorities correct.

    • @insertclevernamehere1186
      @insertclevernamehere1186 Рік тому +32

      What's ridiculous is that Balgruuf, instead of sending someone like Irileth or Lydia, decides to blackmail the messenger of a declaration of war into doing it by withholding his answer. Like, he doesn't even know if the Dragonstone tablet is actually important, yet he's willing to risk war over it...

  • @maverickcrow6252
    @maverickcrow6252 Рік тому +87

    Funfact, even though you can't fight for Whiterun until you are already Thane, Balgruuf has unique dialog indicating you were originally able to fight with the Imperials for Whiterun before discovering the thuum

  • @prussianwaliser
    @prussianwaliser Рік тому +105

    The Dragonborn then returns the axe to Ulfric not knowing the implications

    • @legendsofmichael4315
      @legendsofmichael4315 Рік тому +4

      He did accept the axe here, at least until the dragon is dealt with

    • @prussianwaliser
      @prussianwaliser Рік тому +16

      @@legendsofmichael4315The Dragonborn then never slays the Dragon, forcing Balgruuf to keep the axe accepting Ulfrics alliance.

    • @cremlindor6607
      @cremlindor6607 Рік тому +14

      @@prussianwaliser Wait that's such a giga brain move then. You refuse to do Ballin's chores and so Whiterun becomes part of the Stormcloak rebellion without having to fight for it

  • @angusking1593
    @angusking1593 Рік тому +103

    That's the thing, you can deliver the axe, after the Battle for Whiterun he'll still say, "I thought better of you." The first time he saw me was when I delivered the axe. He knew I was a Stormcloak all along.

    • @insertclevernamehere1186
      @insertclevernamehere1186 Рік тому +50

      "How could you betray me? After all you've done for us after I basically blackmailed you into going on a fetch quest!"

    • @mausolus8466
      @mausolus8466 Рік тому +2

      @@insertclevernamehere1186 Lol, that's a sick burn. And a correct one as well xD

    • @ala1178
      @ala1178 Рік тому

      I wouldn't expect the one i called the hero of my city for saving it from being burned the ground to be it's burner himself no matter his alliegance either .

    • @ala1178
      @ala1178 Рік тому

      @@insertclevernamehere1186 When tf did he blackmail you ? you could just say that you're salty he didn't join the stormcloaks , that's way easier than coming up with strawman arguments .

    • @ala1178
      @ala1178 Рік тому

      @@mausolus8466 not .

  • @wingedblaze5985
    @wingedblaze5985 Рік тому +8

    It’s the same with the imperials, but he just won’t accept the imperial letter until you’ve killed the dragon

  • @Kali-Alpha
    @Kali-Alpha Рік тому +41

    Imagine if you could convince Balgruuf to side with Ulfric by killing the dragon for him.

    • @ANGLO-GERMAN96
      @ANGLO-GERMAN96 Рік тому +5

      That's what I literally thought would've happened.

  • @Karlos1234ify
    @Karlos1234ify Рік тому +86

    Balgruuf is a true bro if you stay on the Imperial side.

    • @divinemenethil3593
      @divinemenethil3593 Рік тому

      i would but my only issue with imperials is elisif. fuck elisif on god bro

    • @Karlos1234ify
      @Karlos1234ify Рік тому +3

      @@divinemenethil3593 Very true, not mention having to deal with Maven Black Briar.

    • @Kirasupporter1
      @Kirasupporter1 Рік тому +13

      If you side with the people who try to kill me for absolutely no reason you are not a "Bro"

    • @Karlos1234ify
      @Karlos1234ify Рік тому +1

      @@Kirasupporter1 Very true. Rikke was bloodthirsty to kill a innocent. Giving people justification to hate Imps

    • @zachrobinson6801
      @zachrobinson6801 Рік тому +6

      @@Karlos1234ify That wasn’t Rikke it was just some random Captain that you kill two seconds later.

  • @scorpinox4532
    @scorpinox4532 Рік тому +6

    So,yeah,basically Balgruuf is saying:”You cannot declare me war before helping me killing the dragon that's attacking Whiterun.Then,we can kill each other in peace,sure.”

  • @joegrimes9232
    @joegrimes9232 Рік тому +4

    "Hey, you courier. Go do a thing for me"

  • @theelderscrolls_area
    @theelderscrolls_area Рік тому +43

    I liked it...

  • @M4A1BestGirl
    @M4A1BestGirl Рік тому +3

    I've been looking all over for this and finally found it. Thank you.
    If only I had known it was as simple as collecting enough gold, taking the carriage from Whiterun to Windhelm, speaking to Ulfric, passing your initiation as a Stormcloak, returning to Ulfric, delivering the axe to Whiterun, then speaking to Balgruff afterwards...
    I feel like such an idiot now. The main reason I didn't do this initially was because I was afraid of the difficulty curve when trying to recover the Jagged Crown, especially because I had the Star Wars mod and every Imperial soldier guarding the tomb had a lightsaber and a blaster, not to mention armor that my regular weapons couldn't even scratch.
    Eventually I did get past it, but only at level 15, at which point I got really pissed off and decided to take a break for a bit.

  • @captain_clean
    @captain_clean Рік тому +89

    Then does he betray Ulfric after a Stormcloak eliminated the dragon problem? rofl.

    • @onatyungul872
      @onatyungul872 Рік тому +28

      i kinda wished he didn't and whiterun changed depending Dragonborn's side.

    • @TheTendermen
      @TheTendermen Рік тому +35

      @@onatyungul872 not necessarily that, but I think you should have been able to persuade him based on your reputation and speech skill. As you know being Thane is a pretty prestigious position to be in

    • @v.h.6343
      @v.h.6343 Рік тому +23

      You can't blame Balgruuf for betraying a bellicose traitor. Ulfric betrayed the greybeards, then he betrayed the imperial legion by giving the imperial city plans to the Thalmor, then he slaughtered reachmen and nords in the reach, then he killed the high king in an unfair duel, then he started a war against his own kind, then he attacks neutral cities like Whiterun. So what's the problem with Balgruuf the bro ?

    • @lostliberty9913
      @lostliberty9913 Рік тому +34

      @@v.h.6343 Everything you have said here is false lol. There is a narrative against Ulfric but what you have said is just untrue. You know nothing of Elder Scrolls lore. He didn’t betray Greybeards. They offer help to those who ask and do not judge what they plan to do with it (there neutral) they literally say this multiple times. Reachmen attacked innocents of markarth and he took it back. That’s war not slaughter. Single combat is an honoured nord tradition which the high king at the time accepted. Nobody hates the Thalmor more than Ulfric (obviously). And he never started a war against his own kind, the empire started the war in refusal of the nord tradition and not wanting to give up power over Skyrim. The Narrative against him is the Thalmor intentionally drove him mad with vengeance during his time as there prisoner (so that although his intentions might be just, his willingness to go as far as he does will only help the Thalmor his greatest enemies in the long run).

    • @icroosing
      @icroosing Рік тому +8

      @@lostliberty9913 lmao your narrative is completely distorted, go play Skyrim again and you’ll see that

  • @Shadow_Wolf_190
    @Shadow_Wolf_190 Рік тому +7

    Who else loves that Cloaks and Capes mod?

  • @LeadMetal82
    @LeadMetal82 Рік тому +6

    Makes sense. He kept the axe, upholding the custom.

  • @rhythmbasak4362
    @rhythmbasak4362 Рік тому +5

    Love your videos man

  • @chesterstevens8870
    @chesterstevens8870 Рік тому +5

    "Sure thing, Balgruuf. Just let me, the enemy messenger, handle all of the shit going on in your hold right now. I'm sure there's NO WAY that will make you look like an ineffectual leader to your people."

  • @unitheverse5581
    @unitheverse5581 Рік тому +4

    CC CHANGED BALGRUUF TO BALL GROWTH🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Cat-eq5po
    @Cat-eq5po Рік тому +10

    Everyone: Balgruuf
    Farengar: BalgrOOf

  • @joker709_7
    @joker709_7 Рік тому +1

    "Got any meade or ale."

  • @TheSkyline5467
    @TheSkyline5467 Рік тому +3

    Breaking the game in 1 million different ways. But Skyrim holds up to it better than most.

  • @ericshiel
    @ericshiel Рік тому +4

    I chose the imperials because I wanted Balgruuf to stay Jarl of Whiterun. That’s my only reason.

    • @Fun4luve
      @Fun4luve Рік тому

      I choose Stormcloaks because I want General Tulius's armor. That's my only reason.

  • @DemianCorvus
    @DemianCorvus Рік тому +9

    Oh wow, never knew this. So, what happens if you go to Ulfric before killing the dragon, after Balgruf took the axe?

    • @heather82
      @heather82 Рік тому +2

      I wanna know, too

    • @BlueOxPlays
      @BlueOxPlays Рік тому +3

      @@heather82 I just tested it - He has the same dialogue as if you went back to him without delivering it.

    • @heather82
      @heather82 Рік тому +1

      @@BlueOxPlays Thanks, dude

  • @SBGothik
    @SBGothik Рік тому +13

    Never knew this scene before! Do one for the Imperial side next. :D

  • @Iknos997
    @Iknos997 10 місяців тому +1

    I married Lydia and brought her to the Siege to fight her own Jarl. She really loves me since she fought her own people for me without saying a word

  • @MauiBread
    @MauiBread Рік тому +1

    The day I found out it's pronounced Ball-groof I was absolutely shookith

  • @thelemonj168
    @thelemonj168 Рік тому +1

    Think I would’ve liked if whiterun was with u regardless as they’re at the start of the main story

  • @insertclevernamehere1186
    @insertclevernamehere1186 Рік тому +21

    Honestly, it really frustrates me that the game literally forces you to be the Dragonborn if you want to do the Civil War. It basically shoves you onto the "chosen one" pedestal instead of letting you be a fellow soldier in the war, and it only really comes up again if you side with the Imperials and only by Ulfric at the very end. Like, what was the point?!
    And it's all because Balgruuf refused to answer Ulfric's war declaration until we, the messenger, completed a fetch quest for his wizard, based solely on the word of Delphine...

    • @AV-fo5de
      @AV-fo5de Рік тому +2

      I always go straight to Bleak Falls Barrow after leaving Riverwood. I collect the Dragonstone and turn up in Whiterun for the first time.

    • @henryjubeda7617
      @henryjubeda7617 Рік тому

      I was like lvl 80 the first time I visited whiterun

    • @chrisriley2321
      @chrisriley2321 Рік тому +3

      Another reason why we should hate Delphine

    • @hanburgundy4317
      @hanburgundy4317 Рік тому +1

      @@AV-fo5de
      I only go to Bleak Falls if I'm playing a Dragonborn character - otherwise, I don't want to be bothered by Dragons, so I don't go and they never appear again lol

    • @AV-fo5de
      @AV-fo5de Рік тому

      @@hanburgundy4317 I love the dragons, especially when you learn to ride on them when you are on Silstheim! Now, the Blades? I have as little to do with them as I can!

  • @Cam-eg3bz
    @Cam-eg3bz Рік тому +1

    have you heard of the makarth incident? after i discovered this i quit being a stormcloak, I overlooked the snow elf problem, and the racism bit this really changed my mind.

  • @Dionvg
    @Dionvg Рік тому +14

    What graphics mods do you use? The game looks stunning 😍

    • @drizztdourden8111
      @drizztdourden8111 Рік тому +1

      I'd like to know as well. I really should switch to PC or Xbox for this game. The mods for the Playstation are nowhere near as good because of Sonys restrictictions. (The modders do fantastic work with what they have to work with its just a shame they were/are unable to do more)

    • @phresh108
      @phresh108 Рік тому +1

      @@drizztdourden8111 getting a mid-range pc now would do you wonders for this game. Not enough to look like those "UTLRA MODDED 4K SKYRIM GAMEPLAY" videos but enough to look even better than this video.

    • @heavenly2k
      @heavenly2k Рік тому

      From this video I can tell they are using "Massive Booba Overhaul" "Schlongs of Skyrim" "Futanaria Giantess Giant Replacer"

    • @evage99
      @evage99 Рік тому

      @@heavenly2k Is this the new version of "try Alt-F4 if you can't see this photo in chat"?
      ...Actually that one still works sometimes, hahahahaha

  • @jackp.richardson6415
    @jackp.richardson6415 8 місяців тому

    It’s sad he doesn’t come around & side with the Stormcloaks depending on which side you do. He’s such an epic character.

  • @tarczownikovstolecki1214
    @tarczownikovstolecki1214 Рік тому +1

    i was upset when i find this out by myself, i was trying to join the stormcloaks and not becoming thane of whiterun so i wont dissapoint Balgruuf because he don't know me, but its impossible

  • @ymfos
    @ymfos Рік тому

    Haven't you done like 2 videos on this already

  • @portgust9012
    @portgust9012 Рік тому

    What lighting mods + ENB are you using? Really love the soft yet vibrant look

  • @PogoDarnexx
    @PogoDarnexx Рік тому

    I just did that after watching a few seconds of this Video, wanted to find out myself lol sadly at the end the same outcome just takes a lol longer xD

  • @nineaxer
    @nineaxer Рік тому

    Your hud looks amazing what mods are you using to make it look like that?

  • @Wbfuhn
    @Wbfuhn Рік тому +1

    This is better than following the Imperial Guard.

  • @kingasapmodyshmurder3256
    @kingasapmodyshmurder3256 Рік тому +2

    What's the mod for this armor

  • @JacketedRhino
    @JacketedRhino Рік тому +1

    Yo bro what mods are you using that cloak and the graphics look amazing 🤤

  • @harrysneed9998
    @harrysneed9998 Рік тому

    It would’ve been badass if a dragon showed up during the battle of whiterun

  • @Nearnface
    @Nearnface Рік тому

    wowoww

  • @FirstnameLastname-fn6ik
    @FirstnameLastname-fn6ik Рік тому +1

    What graphics and lighting mods are you using? Your textures look very clean but close to vanilla, and I like the lighting brightness and color.

    • @virtualboy4305
      @virtualboy4305 Рік тому

      I dont know what weather mods he's using, but I asked once and he said he used Rudy Enb.

  • @virtualboy4305
    @virtualboy4305 Рік тому

    I know this is an older video, but I heard Irileth sheathe her weapon, and noticed it sounded different. What sound mods are you using? They sound really good. Thanks in advance.

  • @MoteofVolition
    @MoteofVolition Рік тому

    I'd like to see how this plays out with the alternate start mod. You can just ignore the dragon questline til you're ready.

    • @7deEspadas
      @7deEspadas Рік тому +1

      Still railroads you to the dragon problem

    • @MoteofVolition
      @MoteofVolition Рік тому +1

      @@7deEspadas Not really. You can just ignore it entirely. Dialogue and lore is edited to make things work without the dragons, if you choose to do so.

  • @Xanar
    @Xanar Рік тому

    What sound replacer do you use?

  • @santoven
    @santoven Рік тому +6

    The intertwining of the Civil War and Dovahkiin plots was the stupidest thing Bethesda did.

    • @jasperzanovich2504
      @jasperzanovich2504 Рік тому +2

      What else should they do? Have a massive dragon crisis and the political leaders to absolutely nothing about it?
      Honestly, that sounds familiar.

    • @SRVaris
      @SRVaris Рік тому

      @@jasperzanovich2504 The problem with that is only Balgruuf cares about the dragon crisis Tullius & Ulfric don't seem to care at all

    • @jasperzanovich2504
      @jasperzanovich2504 Рік тому

      @@SRVaris That is out of the scope of the original statement.

    • @SRVaris
      @SRVaris Рік тому

      @@jasperzanovich2504 I was responding to you saying
      "What else should they do? Have a massive dragon crisis and the political leaders to absolutely nothing about it?"
      Only Balgruuf cares about the Dragon Crisis

    • @jasperzanovich2504
      @jasperzanovich2504 Рік тому

      @@SRVaris And only Baalgruf is directly involved in the Mainquest.

  • @dawjincred
    @dawjincred Рік тому

    what........OMGosh.........Well thanks for the vid

  • @lordvess6214
    @lordvess6214 Рік тому +15

    Honestly it would have been much more compelling from the Civil war point of view if you had to convince Balgruff to join a side. Rather than him just siding with the imperials. Considering how much you actually do for him it would make more sense if you had to persuade him into taking a side in the war. I.e actually have him be a neutral state. rather than "Oh yeah he's totally neutral but just likes the empire and will instantly side with them no matter what you do." The entire civil war def has some issues but to me this is one of the bigger ones.

  • @t8kabr8km85
    @t8kabr8km85 Рік тому

    Whats even stupider is he sides with the imperials even after finding out your voice can call a dragon...
    btw i love seiging cities with two dragons circling overhead.

  • @mcblaggart8565
    @mcblaggart8565 7 місяців тому +1

    Mechanically, I see why they did it. They didn't want to program alternate paths for the main quest to proceed if you did the rebellion first. So they took the choice away. Lazy, and it makes it feel video-gamey and unreal. But whatever.
    The jarl taking the axe (even temporarily) is a worse misstep. There is cultural significance to it. A leader provides weapons to his followers. His followers accept them. Balgruuf has just tacitly sworn allegiance to the Stormcloaks.

  • @TheBadioo
    @TheBadioo 11 місяців тому

    So uhhh The Jarl of white run already gave me Ulfrics axe… now I don’t have the option to call them all to the graybeards.
    Can I after we invade whiterun?

  • @NiskaMagnusson
    @NiskaMagnusson Рік тому

    1:15 "Jarl Balgroof"? xD

  • @XSHADOWTHELEGENDARYHEDGEHOGxX

    Tell me how i can get that armour Ur wearin

  • @bradygreene2467
    @bradygreene2467 Рік тому

    “Peace” instead of “piece” hmmmm

  • @shockwave6213
    @shockwave6213 6 місяців тому

    Wait, what happens if you go back to Ulfric? Do you tell him he kept the axe to deal with the Dragon issue first?

  • @gabrielcoelho19
    @gabrielcoelho19 Рік тому +1

    Your game looks so colorful and alive. Are these mods?

  • @08aoc
    @08aoc Рік тому +1

    Succeed and Whiterun will be in your debt.....btw a home here costs 10,000 gold!

    • @cosmicwartoad2587
      @cosmicwartoad2587 Рік тому

      Use the adventurer's tent seeing as you'll spend most of the time going around Skyrim. My charactre's trying to remain neutral as she know there's far more important things going on and you even get accused of taking sides in the negotiations at igh Hrothgar so what's it goit to take for the kings of each province to realise that they should be fighting against the common enemy, the thalmor?

  • @finn_underwood
    @finn_underwood Рік тому +3

    Remember kids, the best way to prevent a declaration of war is to force the messenger to do your chores for you forever first. Because no message is delivered, the war physically cannot take place. Since everyone knows it's literally impossible to attack someone without giving them advance warning.

  • @illuminatiglobal2860
    @illuminatiglobal2860 4 місяці тому

    Graphics mods names?

  • @Raycheetah
    @Raycheetah Рік тому

    So, when does Balgruuf give you back the axe? =0[.]o=

    • @mark5222
      @mark5222 Рік тому

      Although keeping the axe means that they were at peace, it also indicates weakness by refusing a challenge.

  • @Gootsthegoots
    @Gootsthegoots Рік тому +3

    Balgruuf is a traitor

  • @B1az1ngSuN
    @B1az1ngSuN 6 місяців тому

    Skyrim belongs to the NORDS

  • @dannymillerdejesus7562
    @dannymillerdejesus7562 6 місяців тому

    I hate that dragon want do civil war non dragonborn playthrough without that dialogue option

  • @deusgamer4922
    @deusgamer4922 Рік тому

    What mods/modlist are you using? Your game looks insanely good.

  • @theenchiladakid1866
    @theenchiladakid1866 Рік тому

    It's not a secret if you join the Ulfrics first

  • @sagadegeminis9722
    @sagadegeminis9722 Рік тому

    I got a conflict with this quest because i have to give the axe and capture the dragon at the same time...

  • @ZachofPotatoes732
    @ZachofPotatoes732 Рік тому +7

    Always respected him for not being intimidated by Ulfric. And then lost the respect when he bowed to the elves.

    • @kamixakadio2441
      @kamixakadio2441 Рік тому +1

      Guess you played a different game, he never bowed to Elves

    • @ZachofPotatoes732
      @ZachofPotatoes732 Рік тому +1

      @@kamixakadio2441 of course he did he even stated it. When they presented the treaty to the jarls they all accepted it for gold

    • @matheusjahnke8643
      @matheusjahnke8643 Рік тому +1

      @@kamixakadio2441 So... why is he in the Thalmor Embassy?

    • @mark5222
      @mark5222 Рік тому

      @@matheusjahnke8643 To know the move of his enemies. You need to know as many information about the enemy as possible.

  • @justinwreden89
    @justinwreden89 Рік тому +2

    This isn't even a secret scene unless you just blast through the game without exploring..

  • @drow_Lilith9940
    @drow_Lilith9940 Рік тому +2

    and it secret beacuse no one in tehir right mind would join stormclockers

    • @drow_Lilith9940
      @drow_Lilith9940 Рік тому +1

      @@doomflame7418 let see
      empire - want to end the civi war so they can get back to planning their war with the elf nazis
      stormclocks - racist asshole who start a civi war for no good reason and being used by side nazi elfs to weaken the empire
      yes sorry stormclock i dont like being used by the elfs

    • @drow_Lilith9940
      @drow_Lilith9940 Рік тому

      @@novice0012 i am mostly just sassy beacuse i really hate the stormclocks

    • @drow_Lilith9940
      @drow_Lilith9940 Рік тому

      @@novice0012 i go with the guy who wan tto stop the nazi elfs
      and are not racist asshole being used by the nazi to weakne th empire

  • @PerciVN
    @PerciVN 7 місяців тому

    This doesn't qualify as a secret scene

  • @ChiyomeGoh
    @ChiyomeGoh Рік тому +3

    Join the imperial. Ulfrac is actually not Good character, he's not letting the argonians,dark elvs & high elvs to enter his city. Join the empire the most.

    • @Kirasupporter1
      @Kirasupporter1 Рік тому

      have you ever been to windhlem? I don't think you have. Also killing innocent people for no reason and outlawing their religion is apparently better than not letting someone in a city. Your priorities are warped

    • @JoseAlejandro-xc6fb
      @JoseAlejandro-xc6fb Рік тому +5

      The Dark Elves were already living for 200 years in that slum in Windhelm before Ulfric, the argonians aren't allowed in the city because there is no space inside it and the High Elves are already living in the city and being prosperous, so they don't enter on that discussion. Ulfric isn't racist.

    • @FernandoSegovia701
      @FernandoSegovia701 Рік тому +2

      @@JoseAlejandro-xc6fb Ulfric himself isn't racist. He has no trouble letting you join the stormcloacks no matter your race.
      There is an argument to be made about him being negligent. After all, he is the jarl and he doesn't even mention the slums. Even after the civil war is over.
      It's also undeniable that many stormcloacks are racists. But it's not like the empire is much better, letting the Elder Scrolls' equivalent of Nazis hunt down its own citizens for believing in a different god.

    • @JoseAlejandro-xc6fb
      @JoseAlejandro-xc6fb Рік тому +2

      @@FernandoSegovia701 finally, someone with a proper argument. Indeed, many Stormcloaks are racist, but that doesn't mean that they are ALL racist.
      With the negligent thing it could be true, because he should have enhanced Windhelm to be a better place. But taking that he is leading a civil war and all his focus is on that, he cannot afford to do those two things at one time, That's why he delegates the major responsability to take care the hold to Jorleif.
      With after the civil war thing, it's more logic because he is now the king, his priority it would be to enhance all skyrim, all the holds and most important forge a complete army and train the Stormcloaks. Windhelm would be since then the problem of another Jarl, possibly the same Jorleif or Brunwulf.
      At the end of the day people can say that some stormcloaks are racists, but saying that Ulfric is racist is dumb, you yourself say it, he doesn't care what race you are to join to the stormcloaks. He is nationalist, nothing else.

    • @JoseAlejandro-xc6fb
      @JoseAlejandro-xc6fb Рік тому

      @@doomflame7418 jajajaja, true man. In Elder Scrolls EVERY race is racist, even the so "cosmopolitan" imperials. Even the same Tullius disrespect and says a lot of prejudices about the Nords during the legion sidequest.
      Although i have a lot of arguments and facts to say that the Stormcloaks have to win because they can fight the dominion in the future much better than the declining Empire, it's also like you say more interesting. Imagine like a second great war with a coalition of Skyrim, Hammerfell and High Rock (and perhaps Cyrodill) against the entire dominion. And that the outcome is the victory of the humans, being Tamriel on a new age, the 5th era, with no Empire and only kingdoms around the continent, like Game Of Thrones. It would be more than interesting.

  • @rambo-cambo3581
    @rambo-cambo3581 11 місяців тому

    I cannot understand for the life of me how you people use these capes and cloaks mods
    They look utterly fucking awful without physics enabled - now I know that's a lot of effort if you're modding that in and some cant be bothered like myself, so I just don't use the capes
    Genuinely though, if your feet aren't clipping through when you walk, the bottom of the cloak is glued to your feet and it looks horrendous
    What's that you said? There are shorter capes without this problem?
    Have you ever seen them combined with a backpack, or gear on your character? Some of the worst clipping you'll see
    But sure, each to their own...

  • @PCGonline
    @PCGonline Рік тому

    god i hate the main quest line in this game. its so bland and generic

  • @SkidMcmarxx
    @SkidMcmarxx Рік тому +1

    “jarl BalgruUf” I swear he is the worst voice actor in gaming.

  • @Jaredsreviews
    @Jaredsreviews Рік тому

    Nothing secret here