I have found it to be every anti-calvinist rejects Calvinism. Many are unaware of the Calvinist doctrines and therefore say they "lean" calvinist or have an issue with one or two tenets so they would rather stay away. To actually firmly reject it, one must understand its underlying foundation of determinism, supeecessionism, and the sin-ridden doctrine of secondary causes. I'm very anti-calvinism after coming out of it
@@matthewbrown9029 to be more specific: every non-calvinist Christian group with a well defined theology... ie: not individuals , but every published alternative view, rejects calvinism. Thomist and even a few molinist adherents may get oddly close to ascribing views similar to determinism in scale or scope, but they all make a deliberate attempt to couch these notions in ways that somehow exclude determinism. There are no other Christians that are determinists other than calvinists, unless they do so as a categorical fluke in ignorance... like a philosophy student raised arminian but who gets seduced into a mechanical Laplacian view of nature by their reading of math and science... entirely apart from the Bible.
I was raised in the Calvinist tradition but have since converted to Orthodoxy. I believe and pray that there is a path to salvation for all those who serve and have faith in Christ. Thank you for sharing this information, God be with you.
According to your tradition, not even Roman Catholics are Christian. Come back to protestantism once you wake up, and realize that Protestantism is the most Catholic position of them all
Just because Orthodox Church rejected Calvinism, that will not make evil good. The Orthodox Church is still a schismatic church and schism is a very grave sin. Conversion is a supernatural event that always lead a person to the Truth. God will never lead you to a lie.
@@marce.goodnews Another Florentine analphabet. Learn to read context. Salvation is in Christ. Any Christian can be saved. Do not try to be more "catholic" than Catholic Church.
The Catholic church is a cult! You do not pray to Mary at all in any way, shape or form! You only pray to God through Jesus Christ! You do not pray the rosary. Also, any work we do cannot ever ever ever be compared to Christ's blood in what Christ did on the cross. It is by faith and faith alone through Jesus Christ that we are saved. Not through the Catholic church. Not through Mary. Not through. Praying to statues of saints! The Catholic church is an absolute corrupt lie!
@@marce.goodnewsWhen Jesus died on the cross, he became the law. He fulfilled the law. Therefore, faith in Jesus Christ alone is what saves you! The Catholic church is satanic! You do not pray to Mary at all in any way, shape or form! You do not pray the rosary. There is nothing a human being can do to equal what Christ did on the cross! That's why the Catholic church will be left behind!
"In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsal of his will" Ephesians 1:11. "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one my boast." Ephesians 2:8-9.
@@philzosityConsider the context of James 2. The context is stating how is one to demonstrate they are saved (justified) in front of other men, by works. James is not talking about being justified before God. Paul covered that and it is by grace through faith, not of works, lest we should boast in them. To simply, Paul is teaching how one is justified before God and James is stating how does one demonstrate that they are justified by God in front of men. To make James about being justified before God is to put Paul and James at odds against each other and make the Bible contradict itself.
@@J.F.331 yes, James is teaching faith is not an intellectual assent or exercise as the Greek philosophers thought it to be, but more than that, it shows up in how you live. The faithfulness and righteousness of Christ is imparted to the believer when the Holy Spirit comes to dwell within the believer's spirit upon regeneration and it is this faith, that the believer must work out by an act of the will, which is no longer a slave to sin, through yielding and cooperating with the Holy Spirit so that the righteousness of Christ permeates the soul whereupon the believer through each act of his faith begins to take on the mind of Christ. The justification was accomplished through the faithfulness of Christ as the second and last Adam in living a life free from sin, though tempted in every manner as we are, and and taking upon our sin on the cross in exchange for His righteousness. The believer's faith comes into play in sanctification.
@@justinianthegreat1444 It actually doesn't because the title of "Apostolic" is not relevant in light of departures from the faith, which both the Eastern Orthodox church and the Church of Rome have gone through by denying the Gospel (as a denomination I'm not talking individuals). Claiming apostolic succession and authority doesn't equate having it. . PS: Protestantism is an historical movement, not a denomination.
Mary in the Quran Chapter 3 - Al-Imran Verse 42-43 And when the angels said to Mary: 'Allah has chosen you and purified you. He has chosen you above all women of the worlds. * "O Mary! worship Thy Lord devoutly: Prostrate thyself, and bow down (in prayer) with those who bow down." 45-50 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah. "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous." 'Lord,' she said, 'how can I bear a child when no human being has touched me?' He replied: 'Such is the Will of Allah. He creates whom He will. When He decrees a thing, He only says: "Be," and it is. And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel. "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave(permission); and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe; "And (I come) confirming that which is before me, namely the Torah, and that I declare lawful for you some of the things that had been forbidden to you. I come to you with a sign from your Lord, so take Allâh as a shield and obey me. "'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'" Mohammad(Pbuh) Prophesy Song of Solomon 5:16 IN THE Bible חִכּוֹ֙ ḥik-kōw His mouth [is] מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים mam-ṯaq-qîm, most sweet וְכֻלּ֖וֹ wə-ḵul-lōw and Yes he [is] altogether מַחֲּמַדִּ֑ים "ma-ḥă-mad-dîm"; lovely ma-ḥă-mad-dîm; There Mentioned By Name in your Bible and if you wonder what the IM for Read Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew אֱלֹהִ֑ים ’ĕ-lō-h"îm"; God IM is Plural of Respect in Hebrew Meaning of Mohammad in HEBREW ! חמד The verb חמד (hamad) means to be desirable, pleasant or "praise-worthy". It's usually accompanied with covetous sentiments, a taking delight in or a resolve to obtain or achieve the delightful thing, person or state. Nouns חמד (hemed) and חמדה (hemda) means desire or delight, or describe a precious or delightful thing. Plural noun חמודות (hamudot) means desirableness or preciousness. Nouns מחמד (mahmad) and מחמד (mahmod) denote a place or agent of חמד (hamad); a place, person or thing of desire, pleasure or delight. and in ARABIC mohammad "'praiseworthy' "(derived from the verb ? hamida 'praise'). He Altogether (Praise Worthy ); ma-ḥă-mad-dîm (Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted (James 1:13) God cannot be tempted (John 1:29) Jesus was seen (1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God (Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God (Numbers 23:19, Hosea11:9) God is not a man (Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn (Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn (1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus died (1 Timothy 1:17) God cannot die (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation (Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation (John 4:6) Jesus grew weary (Isaiah 40:28) God can't grow weary (Mark 4:38) Jesus slept (Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep (John 5:19) Jesus wasn't all powerful (Isaiah 45:5-7) God is all powerful (Mark 13:32) Jesus wasn't all knowing (Isaiah 46:9) God is all knowing Jesus, the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger
@@ApollosHagman_17 (Assuming you protestant), you believe that christ, his disciples, the earliest church fathers, and the catholic/orthodox church got it wrong for 1500+ years until Calvin and Martin Luther finally got it right😅😅😂😂! Protestants like to say "Bible alone!", you do realise that the bible is a catholic/orthodox book as the bible came out 400 years AFTER the church got established. The catholics and orthodox have apostolic succession, meaning they can traceback their bishops all the way until the original disciples. You trace back your man-made church to Martin luther/calvin, yet you call us thr pagans😂😂😂😂
Yes, capital T tradition is coming from Christ and those closest to Him while he was alive. Deviations are just that ... and their source is not from the Lord, the Father, nor the Holy Spirit. God bless the Orthodox Church. In essence, there is no other. The Lord did not establish a democracy or seek idea experimentation. Souls are too precious.
@@ApollosHagman_17 Capital T tradition is Catholic and authentic and oftentimes even documented by non Christian sources. It was in existence and written of by many original Christian Saints and authors. Your data, however originates with sources who follow Luther's rebellion against the only church Jesus created ... and maintains. Try looking at the 'Church Fathers' materials ... they are now available for examination by anyone with HONEST scholarly intent. Or ... you can simply spout what you've been fed and apologize to our Lord when your time comes to face Him. I think you may be too intelligent not to search out source material ... on your OWN.
@@ApollosHagman_17 The point is Luke that you are not an authority where it counts. The apostles, saints, and chroniclers of the 1st 1300 years after Christ are. So believe what you want to ... but the truth will never change. The church is not authorized to alter what Jesus put in place. If your scholar mind is working ... take your objections [one at a time please and in a respectful orientation] and field them into 'Catholic Answers'. They have a call in radio show and website. So long as its data you are investigating, they have experts at the phones able to fill in the blanks. They really are a good source ... and have more education and exposure to old documents than either you or I put together. God bless you and yours.
@@michaelpcooksey5096 You are right Luke is not an authority, where it counts. Neither am I. However there is authority at the hands of the Heavenly Father who I am certain will ask many in churches who promoted or continued to promote ideas and rules, which clearly go against the Word. Why they did that? The Orthodoxy is not exempt from this.
@@ApollosHagman_17 Interesting mix of ideas. The word of God is the one thing the Church cannot change and has protected for over 2000 years. Blood has been shed in every age to do so. The 'word' includes the oral capital T tradition captured in historical works by the 'Fathers of the Church', and the saints as well as what we refer to as the Bible. The Bible is a Catholic book. It was assembled by Catholic authority and is only interpreted properly by that same authority; given by God while on earth. The rebellious versions of the bible [endorsed by Luther] leave out 7 books and certain other text that support what God gave His church while on earth. Luther's bible excludes: Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, 1st & 2nd Maccabees, and certain text from Esther and Daniel. Luther eliminated those books because they held data that countered his heretical power seizing agenda [revealed in his own writings from the beginning]. For church questions the theologians from Catholic Answers have excellent data. Their call in radio show offers direct access for people who seek that data in a respectful manner. In fact, 1st time callers get a priority in the time slots. Being a student is always important. Give them a try.
@@chunkyburrito4720don’t conflate us with the free grace guys. We believe faith without works is dead. Sanctification is a by product of faith. God will CAUSE you to walk in His statutes. He WILL make you a new creature. You WILL walk in newness of life. That’s BIBLICAL
@@chunkyburrito4720 we still claim faith alone, we don’t believe works precedes faith, it comes after faith. Faith is what justifies you before God. Works is what comes after being justified. You can’t help but do good works it’s the Holy Spirit who causes you to do good works. Free will of course is involved but the Holy Spirit causes the new creation of course.
@@chunkyburrito4720 I’ll put it this way, if I would have died right after having faith, I’d be saved because faith justifies you. But since I didn’t die now I’m walking in holiness and a new life.
@@JesusWept1999 You are correct my friend. Some think they need to worship Mary, others that they need to eat Christ and some think they were saved because they had water poured on their forehead as an infant. We need to follow Christ and believe He died and arose for our sin.
@@countryboyred I am not sure what each of them follow but if they follow teachings similar to the Catholic church there could be a "no" in the answer. On can say they believe in Christ yet follow man or a pope.
Hey an Arminian here. Salvation by faith alone isn't solely Calvinist it is a Christian doctrine and anyone who denies it is under Apostolic anathema (see Paul's Epistle to the Galatians). Furthermore, you may want to distance yourself from the Council of Jerusalem because that is where the infinitely wise patriarchs decided to formulate a creed saying it was wrong to read the Bible.
Also am a Calvinist and agree with this statement. Salvation by faith alone is more of a pan-Protestant belief. But it’s Biblical and should be accepted. Please turn to Christ over tradition!
Yet you've forgotten (i'm not sure if it's exactly phrased like that in english but the message stays) "faith without actions is dead" and whole metaphor, it was in Paul's if I remember correctly. Don't have the time now
@P. You misremember my friend. You think of James 2:24-26. "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she recieved the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead." Be not confused by this passage, for many a Pelagian heretic has run to this passage to say that you can save yourself with works. By no means! James, also writing under inspiration as Paul did, does not contradict the great Apostle. Indeed if one would read James 2 they would notice that James speaks of justification before men, or how other people can know you are truly saved, while the quotations I provided above Paul speaks of justification before God, or how you can know you are truly saved. In fact Paul agreed when he wrote in Ephesians 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jeaus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Paul also tells both Titus and Timothy to be ready for every good work. This is true. Faith without works is dead faith, for true redemptive faith will bear holy fruits of God which are good works. Christ Himself said " You will recognize them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:16a)
@Luke Pride Friend, I am just planting seeds. If the Spirit wills He will water them and someone might just get curious about what God teaches and not men. Also as an aside ignorance abounds in the EOC and RCC both because if they were aware of what the Church Fathers taught, they wouldn't bring them up. It turns out a lot of them read their Bibles and came to the same conclusions as Protestants, but few know that because no one actually reads them.
Faith alone is BS. If you believe in faith alone you MUST believe in irresistible grace, which would make God and unjust Tyrant who blesses and damns whomever he chooses after causing them to be sinful or righteous. If you believe in faith alone but in resistible grace, then you must concede that humans cannot be saved without doing the "work" of cooperating with the spirit, which is exactly what the catholic/orthodox church teaches. We just differ in the way we "work" in cooperation with the spirit.
It’s an extreme paradox, especially since Calvinism was born and rooted in the most capitalistic places in Europe (the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Scotland). That’s because people don’t really understand what we Calvinists are saying when we describe predestination, it’s an extremely refined dialectical notion. Basically it’s not just that it’s already been decided, it’s that it’s already been decided, we don’t know what’s been decided, and the decision is written in reverse. It’s hard to explain but my problem with free will Christians is that free will turns your faith into an economic exchange with God; “I believe because I want to please God, and I want to get into Heaven.” The Calvinist notion of faith is more like “I believe because I have no choice but to believe, belief is my necessity and I will believe whether I go to Heaven or not.” Same with capitalism in those cradles of Calvinism, “I work because I have no choice but to work, it is my necessity.” The ability to realize inner necessity is a much more radical degree of freedom than any other Christian branch understands, it is effectively the retroactive constitution of our own predestinations. It’s hard to explain but that’s how we see it.
@@floridaman318 don’t be sorry, I’m sorry if it doesn’t make sense. I just feel like you fear God or you want something out of Him; I love God because I have no choice but to love Him. It’s an obscenity to pray to God and ask for anything ever, which you Arminians do constantly. We only ask for forgiveness, or praise Him. Prayers are not meant for us, they’re meant for Him, alone.
@padenvan5748 1)I'm not "Arminian" 2) Even in Scripture God tells to that He takes care of even the birds in the trees, so how much more would He take care of us? He literally tells us Himself to beseech Him for things. 3) The Holy Ghost said it plain words in Scripture, that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Putting fear of God on the same of level as being selfish not only doesn't make sense, it goes explicitly against what Scripture tells us. 4) Now, yes He says we *should* ask Him for things, and the most appropriate things we should ask for from Him are grace, understanding, faithfulness, charity, patience, etc. 5) But in times of distress, ill health, bodily danger, it is perfectly normal that we should also ask His help. There are numerous examples of that in Scripture, *especially* the Old Testament. We are extremely needy creatures, we are by no means truly independent or self sufficient. We *must* constantly be asking God to provide for us whether we are conscious of it or not. Being conscious of how needy we are is the point and God made us that way to keep us humble. 6) tbh, based on what you jst wrote, I think you are self righteous and I suspect you have a habit of elevating yourself above others, that you are just so much better and holier than the riff raff around you. That's the honest impression I get. Yes, loving God makes sense, and it doesn't seem to make sense to do otherwise, but the fact of the matter is that there are people who do choose to reject God, just as the Israelites had rejected God on many occasions in the Old Testament. I think you are trying to use theology to justify your self righteousness.
@IamGreatsword Guess I misunderstood. Did you mean that those who say calvinists are predestined to be condemned will not enter the kingdom of heaven or those who practice calvinism? I thought you meant those who practice calvinism which is why I asked, "What if they repent and believe but still believe in predestination?" It was a serious question.
@sal2975 Calvinists Worship Jesus properly, biblically & accurately and are Saints in the Faith. The reason so many revile Calvinists is they are true Believers and properly handle the Word of God. So, there you go, I stand on my statements God is completely sovereign and saves who he wants to save and the scriptures clearly teach not all are saved, "No one Seeks God, no not one "many will say Lord Lord"....
John Calvin took himself higher than St. Paul. He even dared to demand removing a book from the NT. The issue is that SOLA FIDE is misunderstood. Because if reading Paul’s letters carefully, we will find that Paul said that “by faith not by actions of the mosaic law” so ML took it wrong and whoever followed him did the same. The protestants are mislead and they do not bother to reexamine the letters On the other hand LORD Jesus urged us to act according to the faith in Him. Do good deeds to glorify your Father who is in the heaves And yes, I am an Orthodox from Nazareth Israel
I was talking to a friend of mine and we both see that on both the Calvinism and non-Calvinism side people do not have a proper understanding of Sola Fide. Which I don't either but I would encourage my brothers and sisters in Christ to conduct objective, unbiased research on either camp and pray for discernment and the Lord's leading. Let's stop the name calling and insults and actually love each other as Christ loved us even in our dialogue with those we disagree with.
The Pharisees also loved their religion and missed the picture. Traditions don’t save anyone. Calvin was right, we are saved by faith alone in Christ alone.
A clear understanding of what the Pharisees were doing and why Jesus spoke so harshly against them is the reason I could never accept Orthodox teaching.
@@PELLIOTIS Exactly, like adding man's rules to the commands in scripture and holding people to them as if they were spoken by God, or elevating ceremony and ritual over the state of the heart . . . oh no wait sorry that's the Catholic Church that does that.
We are like the Pharisees when we put faith in one interpretation of the Scriptures over another. But the way of Christ is the way of humility and he said he would preserve his Church until the end of the age. This testimony in regards to the validity of the Orthodox Church can be seen in the lives of its saints whose stories have been stripped from Protestanism. My argument against is not on humanistic scholaticism but a challenge to look in the lives of Orthodox saints in this you will see not only consistency but an unbroken line from Jesus Christ and the early church until today in the Orthodox Church.
This video really attracted some goofballs. Don’t know how you have the patience for this. Every video criticizing Calvinism gets this kind of response and it’s never in the form of a point by point actual response. Just accusations that everyone was a heretic abusing the scriptures until John Calvin wrote his commentaries when he was 20 years old, 1500 years after the establishment of the church 😂
There are like 5 calvinists in this comment section😂 but okay keep strawmanning our position as if Rome looks anything like the church St athanasius pastored
@@doomerquiet1909 As far as I'm concerned, most of you guys haven't even come to the discussion table. We are not Roman Catholics. Attacking a straw man does you no good. Rome is under anathema of the Orthodox Church and has been for 1,000 years, longer than you guys have existed. You, however, followed them into their errors for another 500 years, and then created your own.
”Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,“ II Timothy 1:8-9 NKJV
@@orenji-sama514 - The Orthodox view of predestination is that God predestines individuals to salvation or damnation based on His foreknowledge of his or her cooperation, or lack thereof, with grace. It's thus conditional, as it is focus on the real state of the believer which is produced in some aspect by our own will (in the sense of participation, not effective cause; divine grace is the sole cause of salvation.) The reformed view is that God predestines individuals because He simply wills it to be so. It's attitudinal, and not based on any real state of the believer. This is necessarily assumed because of sola fide.
@@evangelium5376 Could God not have used his forknowledge prior to creation and fashion the universe in any way he wanted, and he chose to create the one where a believer is a believer and an atheist is an atheist? Doesn’t seem like the individual has much cooperation outside of Gods will.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.” Ephesians 1:3-6 ESV
I grew up baptist and I am looking to Orthodoxy. Even a lot of baptists disagree with Calvinist doctrine. Sadly, a lot of baptists who may not necessarily agree with predestination still believe in eternal security
I wonder why they would believe that. I guess if one believed in the word of God................. Ephesians 1: 13 In Him you also, after hearing the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and after believing in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Paul says you're absolutely wrong. ”What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.“ Romans 4:1-4 NKJV
@@caseycardenas1668 It does and fortunately I read things in context so the Bible doesn't contradict itself. ”What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,“ Romans 4:1-5 NKJV
Faith requires action. Anyone can know a concept, but to use that concept to guide your life decisions is what God asks us to do. I'm not perfect, but I do try to be better every day.
All I know is every time I ask an Ortho about scripture they go “BUT MUH PREEEST KNOWS GREEK”. Maybe Prots are Prots for a reason and trust the God given text more than men wearing the right hats.
You'll have to scratch out _a lot_ of verses to get rid of Calvinism. The Bible is literally drenched in the doctrine of divine election. Its all over the place.
There has be an ecumenical council in the 21st century. As Protestants, Orthodox and Catholics we need to come to agrrement based off of scripture primaraly and traditions secondarily
Here's the issue. First of all I'm an Anglican (in Scotland) and a historian. Something else big happened in the "enlightenment" that went hand in hand with the reformation: people started thinking in a more materialist and literal way. To understand anything as intended by the author and expected by the audience from antiquity to the late Medieval you have to think very differently from a modern audience. Tradition isn't just stuff we do or ideas we've followed, it's also the extra-canonical texts, old and new testament apocrypha (those which do not contradict scripture) from before 200 BC (note I also included OT in my qualifier) right up to and past Thomas Aquinas. Pre-modern literature didn't have a separation between fact and fiction and a lot of the Apocrypha is analogous to a cross between Historical Fiction and a Bible Commentary. So I guess this is a bit of a qualifier rather than a disagreement: extra canonical texts help explain and illuminate things in scripture, and if you think you've found something unbiblical just be sure it's not a modern misinterpretation instead. I was shocked when i started reading early church fathers, not only as some of the errors made during the reformation, but also at how shallow and malnourished my understanding of scripture was. Scripture is boss, but tradition helps you understand it, otherwise modern social values inform your understanding of scripture, rather than the other way around
@@sigurdholbarki8268 Traditions of men is what led to the apostate religion of the Pharisees. To rely on tradition for scriptural interpretation instead of the Holy Spirit is what allows heresies to brew. The Bible is written in over 3500 languages, meaning almost everyone can understand it in their own vernacular. Added unto that, English is the Greek of today. I am not a native speaker of the language myself, yet we can use it to reconcile the reconcilable differences that men have caused and be united by scripture, yet allow the diversity of our cultures flourish.
@@MrWesford for those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers - St Paul
@@MrWesford Galatians 2:16 Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified
@@MrWesford God already knows where each of us will end up. If you would read the bible you would see..... Ephesians 1: 13 In Him you also, after hearing the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and after believing in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Are you calling calvinists heretics? The idea of predestination comes straight out of Romans, to reject that is to reject scripture which would make you a heretic
@@mafia5355 Pardon, if I may respond on the matter. Romans is not an easy book to read. Saint Peter says concerning Saint Paul: "He writes this way in all his letters. . . . Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction" (2 Peter 3.16). And the holy Church Fathers elucidated these difficult letters for us. They reject predestination as a heresy. It's nothing personal, my friend, but we need to know God as He truly is. He does not predestinate anyone.
@@johnplavdjian7402 I think we can all agree God is an infinite and all-knowing God, correct? God knows who are his, even before they know Him because he has a plan and knows the future. Naturally, humans are sinful and only the Holy Spirit can bring us to him, but the Holy Spirit doesn't save everyone (at least, not until He returns). The doctrine of predestination is exactly that, God knows who He will save and who will accept the gift eternal life with Him and he predestines those he plans to save to heaven. Predestination at first may seem unfair at first, but the people who aren't saved will never be saved and will never search for Him and will never acknowledge Christ as Lord. You used the argument of that the early church fathers didn't like the idea of predestination (the early church fathers are still good sources and I'm not denying their wisdom on most things), but the early church fathers also were still human and supported other things that were later rejected by the Church, like Tertullian of Carthage is a very good source on the doctrine of the Trinity (he first used the word Trinity to describe the relationship and persons of God), but his ideas that Christians couldn't flee persecution and widows couldn't remarry was later rejected; I know that was a lot but I hope you understand and that helps!
Guys do you believe that i was baptize by the Holy Spirit? by praying that someday Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant will be one under the banner of cross. I cry out for 3 hours non stop until i fell the heat in my head go down to my foot. Like electricity. I am a catholic. And i believe Islam is the beast of Revelation. Calvinism and Islam has the same believe in free destination.
Unlike Britain, where Calvinism was the state religion in rhat century under Cromwell's military dictatorship, and several German countries, there was no state to enforce it. The Eastern Orthodox dodged a bullet.
As former orthodox I thank God heavily for Calvinism I never understood Catholicism and idol worshipping. Not to mention moving away from the Bible to the apocrypha as higher authority blew my mind.. I pray for the Catholics to see the truth and truly find peace in Jesus Christ for his works not ours.
@@MrWesford maybe you should read James in context. It’s a book exhorting the saved to do works because if you are saved and don’t do the work you may as well be dead. Try Romans 11:6 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
@@MrWesford and forgive me my brother in Christ if I come across disrespectfully but I must ensure those reading understand that salvation is by faith alone so that they may be saved and not trust in their own work to save them
Unbelievers are always the first to reject Calvinism. Rejecting the biblical teaching of predestination and salvation by faith alone - is straight from the pit of hell.
Actually, Christ was the first to reject Calvinism. Matthew 25:44-46 "Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’ He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’ And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” They called Jesus, "Lord", but are damned by their failure to act.
And now they have Cyril Lucaris as a saint and have lied up and down that he never was a Calvinist at all. Kudos to you, acknowledging the real history and not giving the official lie version.
How can you even “have faith”, when to have faith implies you are willing something, if everything is predetermined? So your faith is predetermined, which means it’s not even faith that you’re exercising, it’s just a function of consequences set in motion by God.
This argument against Gods sovereignty (Calvinism) is like an atheist’s argument against God, his existence, his justice and hell. We fear what we know to be true and try using all our earthly knowledge to form God into our vision of who he is and what his creation should be. Take comfort in being called by him and take comfort knowing he knew you before time.
Desire. And that's the point isn't it? People misunderstand the doctrine of Divine election. They say "So, if I desire to be saved, but God hasn't elected me, I can't be saved?" That is a misrepresentation of the doctrine. Here is the right interpretation of doctrine. We still chooses, we have will, which is the capacity to choose. But the will is not free, it is enslaved to our desires, and by nature, we _do not desire_ to serve God. We do not choose our desires, our desires determine our choices. That's why Christ says in John 6 that no one _can_ come to God, unless God draws him. If God elects you, _He_ changes your heart, _He_ grants you second birth, _He_ makes you a new creature, _He_ indwells you with the Holy Spirit. That means, God is the author of the desire you feel to worship Him, and based on that desire, you choose to do so. But if God does not plant that desire in your heart, you will never choose to serve Him, because you have no desire to do so, and you love your sin. Calvinism doesn't negate human will, human responsibility, and human capacity to choose. Calvinism goes deeper to explain _why_ people choose as they do. The phrase "free will" is really a meaningless phrase that doesn't explain anything. If our will is truly free, why can't we simply choose to stop sinning all together and earn salvation through our own works, thereby negating the need for Christ? If our will is free now that we have a choice between good and evil, does it mean our will will be less free in heaven when we don't have that choice? Or, will we still have the capacity to sin on Gods new earth? That means we have no assurance of eternal salvation, because we might fall away at any time again on the new earth and be rejected. When you think about it, the idea of human free will raises more questions than it answers. And frankly, the concept is not found in the Bible.
My priest calls Calvinism “special boy doctrine” lol. It’s funny how Calvinists only believe in predestination because they agree with Calvinism… have yet to meet a calvinist who thinks they’re a reprobate
@@mkbr1992 they don’t simply “believe” in Jesus. They assume they are chosen or elect in the eyes of God and bypass judgment. To assume you are saved or elect is the biggest display of delusion and pride and is extremely unbiblical. What I’m trying to say is that Calvinists arbitrarily assume that because they stumbled upon Calvinism, it automatically makes them one of the elect. They can’t prove how they know they are elect
@@mkbr1992 If St Paul had that kind of arrogance then why did he have to “fight” the good fight? And “finish” the race? And no, faith without works is dead and basically qualifies you to be a demon according to St James.
Predestination is garbage. But he was right about salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
calvinism is based on the bible. orthodoxy is believes biblical authority based on the church’s authority. there’s many many bible verses that not only imply but literally teach predestination, just google “bible verses on predestination” orthodoxy simply doesn’t really base doctrine and theology on scripture, especially the epistles, they base it upon institutional authority
@@darthbanana7 Calvanism is a flithy protestant invention. It used to be a heresy back in the day but now it's accepted widely by foolish protestants. Thank God , he bought me out of this filthy deception. Calvanism only exists if you focus on certain verses, while ignoring the rest.
@@darthbanana7 surely ! Because where did calvinists get the bible from ? Exactly! The Tradition of the Orthodox Church... 🤦♂️ You can’t understand without the explanations. And the explanations have already been given (and kept in the Orthodox Church). Calvinism and all these heresies have just made up a whole new religion by explaining by themselves. As islam did. Using the Bible...
Calvinism is based on a straw man of the Catholic Church so very ironic you say that, Calvinism is just a heresy based on another heresy based on the catholic heresy
@@david-468 is your second name heresy? cos you seem a bit obsessed with the word.... I sense that think everything is a heresy except yourself. I prefer the word hilarious myself.
I just don’t see how you get around predestination being that God prophecies many things saying he will accomplish it and frequently uses the term through out scripture. It’s just weird how many heretics hate predestination and how Catholics or orthodox try to avoid it when saint Agustin would say other wise.
Phrophecies doesn’t equal predestination also you’re the heretic, lol your religion literally is in contradiction to what Jesus said, to be any Protestant demonization you have to believe Jesus was wrong when he said his church “would not fall” also if predestination is true then Jesus is meaningless, you’re basically aryan at this point, because if it’s pre determined you go to heaven or hell then Jesus didn’t die for your sins because “you were going to heaven anyways” it also would mean all the apostles were wrong and works are meaningless as well as baptism since you’re already chosen to go to heaven at birth according to Calvinism
Calvinists still persevere the saints, otherwise our Saltire, the St. Andrew's Cross would be replaced with a lion rampant. And we haven't used the Lion Rampant in such a fashion unless in historical reference, it is a catholic ensign so we obviously won't suffer it. We suffered enough at the hands of the Vatican already, but we still understand and persevere the saints who watch over us. Yes, I am Scottish lol
They follow the bible until they dont, because its not so convenient to accept that Peter is the Rock of Matthew 16 and that no man has authority to start a church, only christ does. Then they conveniently start scriputetwisting like there is no tomorrow.
Then how do we prove we have faith the faith? We can't just say "I believe" because anybody can just say that without any faith at all. So to prove it, we should practice the tradition & live within the tradition. Not only that, but faith has to be mantained? How? By living in the tradition & upholding the teachings of the apostles. So, if faith can only be proven & by the tradition & the teachings of the apostles, "faith alone" is wrong.
@@meandros1678 God never excludes anyone. It's the people who exclude God. It's the people who turn their backs from God. God already give His salvation & it's up to each person whether they wanna take it or not.
@@P.Whitestrake God made the people this way. Why should He exclude them ? Its like creating to kinds of people, those who will act right and those who will act wrong and punishing one of them. Even if we say God gave us freedom, he knows how we will act.
One needs to look at the letters of the Law that people follow AND how they apply it in their lives. Even if Protestants teach salvation by Faith alone, their way of life confesses that one must struggle against sin at all times, and the necessity of good works. One must therefore conclude that good worked is part of Christian life, but salvation rests in Christ alone, which is quite Orthodox.
Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
As a calvinist on his way to becoming an orthodox catechumen I find it funny that this was not mentioned in the reformist catechism that we were taught. After all that occurred far after the Reformation!
Exactly. *I know you before you were in your mother's womb* Jeremiah 1:5 *He chose us in Him before the foundations of the earth..* Eph.1:4 and on and on
I'm A Presbyterian and I still respect and love my Christian brother's and sisters across protestantism, Orthodoxy, and Catholicism. May God Bless You All.
Not surprised, literally every non-calvinist Christian group rejects Calvinism.
I have found it to be every anti-calvinist rejects Calvinism. Many are unaware of the Calvinist doctrines and therefore say they "lean" calvinist or have an issue with one or two tenets so they would rather stay away. To actually firmly reject it, one must understand its underlying foundation of determinism, supeecessionism, and the sin-ridden doctrine of secondary causes. I'm very anti-calvinism after coming out of it
@@matthewbrown9029 to be more specific: every non-calvinist Christian group with a well defined theology... ie: not individuals , but every published alternative view, rejects calvinism.
Thomist and even a few molinist adherents may get oddly close to ascribing views similar to determinism in scale or scope, but they all make a deliberate attempt to couch these notions in ways that somehow exclude determinism.
There are no other Christians that are determinists other than calvinists, unless they do so as a categorical fluke in ignorance... like a philosophy student raised arminian but who gets seduced into a mechanical Laplacian view of nature by their reading of math and science... entirely apart from the Bible.
@@ravissary79 I totally agree. Great points.
@@matthewbrown9029 You were never of the true faithful after all few will find it. Be gone infidel and not of us.
@@IamGreatsword Okay bro
I was raised in the Calvinist tradition but have since converted to Orthodoxy. I believe and pray that there is a path to salvation for all those who serve and have faith in Christ. Thank you for sharing this information, God be with you.
@@ApollosHagman_17 version?
orthodoxy has too many saints, which take your focus away from Christ - the only way to heaven. I pray for your soul.
According to your tradition, not even Roman Catholics are Christian.
Come back to protestantism once you wake up, and realize that Protestantism is the most Catholic position of them all
Salvation is by faith alone Ephesians 2: 8 & 9, Galatians 2: 16, Romans 10: 9, 10, 11, - 17
Just because Orthodox Church rejected Calvinism, that will not make evil good. The Orthodox Church is still a schismatic church and schism is a very grave sin. Conversion is a supernatural event that always lead a person to the Truth. God will never lead you to a lie.
I'm not even Christian and I think Calvinism is completely cringe.
Based Orthodox Church.
Lets gooo 😂💪🏽☦️
Begome Ordodogs
"I'm not even christian"
then why even comment with cringe of your own?
@@ApollosHagman_17 nahhh
Why is it cringe
As a Catholic respect to the Orthodox Church
We must not respect error. There is only salvation in the Catholic Church. And it is ex cathedra.
@@marce.goodnews Another Florentine analphabet. Learn to read context. Salvation is in Christ. Any Christian can be saved. Do not try to be more "catholic" than Catholic Church.
@@marce.goodnews the orthodox church is almost like a sister church to the catholic church
The Catholic church is a cult! You do not pray to Mary at all in any way, shape or form! You only pray to God through Jesus Christ! You do not pray the rosary. Also, any work we do cannot ever ever ever be compared to Christ's blood in what Christ did on the cross. It is by faith and faith alone through Jesus Christ that we are saved. Not through the Catholic church. Not through Mary. Not through. Praying to statues of saints! The Catholic church is an absolute corrupt lie!
@@marce.goodnewsWhen Jesus died on the cross, he became the law. He fulfilled the law. Therefore, faith in Jesus Christ alone is what saves you! The Catholic church is satanic! You do not pray to Mary at all in any way, shape or form! You do not pray the rosary. There is nothing a human being can do to equal what Christ did on the cross! That's why the Catholic church will be left behind!
"In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsal of his will" Ephesians 1:11.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one my boast."
Ephesians 2:8-9.
@@philzosityConsider the context of James 2. The context is stating how is one to demonstrate they are saved (justified) in front of other men, by works. James is not talking about being justified before God. Paul covered that and it is by grace through faith, not of works, lest we should boast in them.
To simply, Paul is teaching how one is justified before God and James is stating how does one demonstrate that they are justified by God in front of men.
To make James about being justified before God is to put Paul and James at odds against each other and make the Bible contradict itself.
@@J.F.331yes I'm saved by faith and works amen
@@J.F.331 yes, James is teaching faith is not an intellectual assent or exercise as the Greek philosophers thought it to be, but more than that, it shows up in how you live. The faithfulness and righteousness of Christ is imparted to the believer when the Holy Spirit comes to dwell within the believer's spirit upon regeneration and it is this faith, that the believer must work out by an act of the will, which is no longer a slave to sin, through yielding and cooperating with the Holy Spirit so that the righteousness of Christ permeates the soul whereupon the believer through each act of his faith begins to take on the mind of Christ. The justification was accomplished through the faithfulness of Christ as the second and last Adam in living a life free from sin, though tempted in every manner as we are, and and taking upon our sin on the cross in exchange for His righteousness. The believer's faith comes into play in sanctification.
You believe? Good. Demons believe too, and tremble.
@@abhabh6896How do demons believe is the question.
Imagine being condemned at the Council of Trent and also at the Council of Jerusalem a century later, absolute L for prots
Imagine thinking it actually matters.
@@JimmySonny it matters because two Apostolic Churches denied them of legitimacy
@@justinianthegreat1444
It actually doesn't because the title of "Apostolic" is not relevant in light of departures from the faith, which both the Eastern Orthodox church and the Church of Rome have gone through by denying the Gospel (as a denomination I'm not talking individuals).
Claiming apostolic succession and authority doesn't equate having it.
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PS: Protestantism is an historical movement, not a denomination.
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I was born Pentecostal
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so gay
Catholics and Orthodox together against heresy
amen
That’s quite mind blowing, isn’t it!! LOL
Catholicism is kinda heretical, but when it comes to uniting against heresy, thats the only time i will actually agree.
@@OrthoKarterI'm not catholic, but how?
Twas the Catholics who took back God's fiefs
Saint Ephraim of Arizona pray to God for us
God bless orthodox brother i like it when we acknowledge him as a Saint even before the church does, because he is
@@ApollosHagman_17Bro came and said the most random and absurd thing he could think 💀
@@ApollosHagman_17 I guess Jesus was a necromancer when he was on mount tabor
@SEA GUY Imagine thinking eastern idolatry is somehow in line with Biblical teaching 🙄
@@CRACKBONE7317 Here we have another one 💀
✝️ 🙏 Regina Coeli... Gloria Patri... Alleluia. Amen. ❤🕊 🇵🇭
Mary in the Quran
Chapter 3 - Al-Imran Verse 42-43
And when the angels said to Mary: 'Allah has chosen you and purified you. He has chosen you above all women of the worlds.
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"O Mary! worship Thy Lord devoutly: Prostrate thyself, and bow down (in prayer) with those who bow down."
45-50
Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
"He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
'Lord,' she said, 'how can I bear a child when no human being has touched me?' He replied: 'Such is the Will of Allah. He creates whom He will. When He decrees a thing, He only says: "Be," and it is.
And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.
"And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave(permission); and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
"And (I come) confirming that which is before me, namely the Torah, and that I declare lawful for you some of the things that had been forbidden to you. I come to you with a sign from your Lord, so take Allâh as a shield and obey me.
"'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"
Mohammad(Pbuh) Prophesy Song of Solomon 5:16 IN THE Bible
חִכּוֹ֙
ḥik-kōw His mouth [is]
מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים
mam-ṯaq-qîm, most sweet
וְכֻלּ֖וֹ
wə-ḵul-lōw and Yes he [is] altogether
מַחֲּמַדִּ֑ים
"ma-ḥă-mad-dîm"; lovely
ma-ḥă-mad-dîm; There Mentioned By Name in your Bible
and if you wonder what the IM for Read Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
אֱלֹהִ֑ים
’ĕ-lō-h"îm"; God
IM is Plural of Respect in Hebrew
Meaning of Mohammad in HEBREW !
חמד
The verb חמד (hamad) means to be desirable, pleasant or "praise-worthy". It's usually accompanied with covetous sentiments, a taking delight in or a resolve to obtain or achieve the delightful thing, person or state.
Nouns חמד (hemed) and חמדה (hemda) means desire or delight, or describe a precious or delightful thing. Plural noun חמודות (hamudot) means desirableness or preciousness. Nouns מחמד (mahmad) and מחמד (mahmod) denote a place or agent of חמד (hamad); a place, person or thing of desire, pleasure or delight.
and in ARABIC
mohammad "'praiseworthy' "(derived from the verb ? hamida 'praise').
He Altogether (Praise Worthy ); ma-ḥă-mad-dîm
(Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted
(James 1:13) God cannot be tempted
(John 1:29) Jesus was seen
(1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God
(Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God
(Numbers 23:19, Hosea11:9) God is not a man
(Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn
(Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus died
(1 Timothy 1:17) God cannot die
(Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation
(Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation
(John 4:6) Jesus grew weary
(Isaiah 40:28) God can't grow weary
(Mark 4:38) Jesus slept
(Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep
(John 5:19) Jesus wasn't all powerful
(Isaiah 45:5-7) God is all powerful
(Mark 13:32) Jesus wasn't all knowing
(Isaiah 46:9) God is all knowing
Jesus, the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger
@@2009samiyno polygamy pls.
God bless His Orthodox Christian Church.
There is only salvation in the Catholic Church. And it is ex cathedra.
@@marce.goodnewsPope will burn for his pride
@@marce.goodnewsThe Catholic Church IS the Orthodox Church. The Latin schismatic church is not Catholic.
@@MrWesford Truth
Amen ☦ from Egyptian coptic orthodox church
Smart decision.
Calvinism is clearly off base
though you clearly are impressionable enough to believe every YT video you see
@@ApollosHagman_17 odd observation. I simply dont believe in Calvinism. So what. What has that to do with God?
@@fiachramaccana280 he's mocking your cluelessness, and the fact you pretend to know what you're talking about.
easy to tell
@@mysticnovelbro yeah whatever. Evil is evil. You cant change that
@@fiachramaccana280 weird reply from a *schismatic* wouldn't you say?
Rome: I guess we both hated these heretics
no, everyone still hates catholocism
@@ApollosHagman_17"thinly veiled paganism" tell me you know nothing about Catholicism and Orthodoxy without telling me it
@@mysticnovelbroas Orthodox Christians, Catholics are our closest brethren. Sure we don't agree on everything but we still love each other
@@nilan3294 keep that bullshit to yourself, schismatic.
@@ApollosHagman_17 (Assuming you protestant), you believe that christ, his disciples, the earliest church fathers, and the catholic/orthodox church got it wrong for 1500+ years until Calvin and Martin Luther finally got it right😅😅😂😂!
Protestants like to say "Bible alone!", you do realise that the bible is a catholic/orthodox book as the bible came out 400 years AFTER the church got established.
The catholics and orthodox have apostolic succession, meaning they can traceback their bishops all the way until the original disciples. You trace back your man-made church to Martin luther/calvin, yet you call us thr pagans😂😂😂😂
Lutheran here yeah Calvinism is cringe.
Sorry to hear you slander that way. Calvinism is proper handling of the word of God using correct Hermaneutics.
You’re a Lutheran yet you won’t stand with your reformed brothers against orthodox heresy. Yeah ok. Must the ELCA
@IamGreatsword James White, Matt Slick and other calvinist leaders said God is responsible for babies being r#ped. Fake Christians? Satanic.
Yes, capital T tradition is coming from Christ and those closest to Him while he was alive. Deviations are just that ... and their source is not from the Lord, the Father, nor the Holy Spirit. God bless the Orthodox Church. In essence, there is no other. The Lord did not establish a democracy or seek idea experimentation. Souls are too precious.
@@ApollosHagman_17 Capital T tradition is Catholic and authentic and oftentimes even documented by non Christian sources. It was in existence and written of by many original Christian Saints and authors. Your data, however originates with sources who follow Luther's rebellion against the only church Jesus created ... and maintains. Try looking at the 'Church Fathers' materials ... they are now available for examination by anyone with HONEST scholarly intent. Or ... you can simply spout what you've been fed and apologize to our Lord when your time comes to face Him. I think you may be too intelligent not to search out source material ... on your OWN.
@@ApollosHagman_17 The point is Luke that you are not an authority where it counts. The apostles, saints, and chroniclers of the 1st 1300 years after Christ are. So believe what you want to ... but the truth will never change. The church is not authorized to alter what Jesus put in place. If your scholar mind is working ... take your objections [one at a time please and in a respectful orientation] and field them into 'Catholic Answers'. They have a call in radio show and website. So long as its data you are investigating, they have experts at the phones able to fill in the blanks. They really are a good source ... and have more education and exposure to old documents than either you or I put together. God bless you and yours.
@@michaelpcooksey5096 You are right Luke is not an authority, where it counts. Neither am I. However there is authority at the hands of the Heavenly Father who I am certain will ask many in churches who promoted or continued to promote ideas and rules, which clearly go against the Word. Why they did that? The Orthodoxy is not exempt from this.
@@michaelpcooksey5096hey what’s the number? I’m in a desperate state
@@ApollosHagman_17 Interesting mix of ideas. The word of God is the one thing the Church cannot change and has protected for over 2000 years. Blood has been shed in every age to do so. The 'word' includes the oral capital T tradition captured in historical works by the 'Fathers of the Church', and the saints as well as what we refer to as the Bible. The Bible is a Catholic book. It was assembled by Catholic authority and is only interpreted properly by that same authority; given by God while on earth. The rebellious versions of the bible [endorsed by Luther] leave out 7 books and certain other text that support what God gave His church while on earth. Luther's bible excludes: Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, 1st & 2nd Maccabees, and certain text from Esther and Daniel. Luther eliminated those books because they held data that countered his heretical power seizing agenda [revealed in his own writings from the beginning]. For church questions the theologians from Catholic Answers have excellent data. Their call in radio show offers direct access for people who seek that data in a respectful manner. In fact, 1st time callers get a priority in the time slots. Being a student is always important. Give them a try.
As a former Protestant, and a recently converted Orthodox, I’ve never understood how you are saved by faith alone.☦️
You don't understand the Bible.
@@keithpeterson5127 No, I do, but Protestantism felt overwhelming to me.
@@chunkyburrito4720don’t conflate us with the free grace guys. We believe faith without works is dead. Sanctification is a by product of faith. God will CAUSE you to walk in His statutes. He WILL make you a new creature. You WILL walk in newness of life. That’s BIBLICAL
@@chunkyburrito4720 we still claim faith alone, we don’t believe works precedes faith, it comes after faith. Faith is what justifies you before God. Works is what comes after being justified. You can’t help but do good works it’s the Holy Spirit who causes you to do good works. Free will of course is involved but the Holy Spirit causes the new creation of course.
@@chunkyburrito4720 I’ll put it this way, if I would have died right after having faith, I’d be saved because faith justifies you. But since I didn’t die now I’m walking in holiness and a new life.
W to our Orthodox brothers from a Roman Catholic.
Imagine on judgment day…”but our tradition says”!
If these people would read the bible they would realize Christ warned the Jewish leaders about their traditions.
People really think their religion is going to save them
@@JesusWept1999 You are correct my friend. Some think they need to worship Mary, others that they need to eat Christ and some think they were saved because they had water poured on their forehead as an infant.
We need to follow Christ and believe He died and arose for our sin.
@@sammygomes7381Mormons and Jehovah witness claim to believe in Jesus too, are they saved then?
@@countryboyred I am not sure what each of them follow but if they follow teachings similar to the Catholic church there could be a "no" in the answer. On can say they believe in Christ yet follow man or a pope.
As Catholics also condemn this evil heresy
Jesus Christ is lord, savior, and God, not the Church
@@jessecardoza7851be careful, they might call you a heretic
@@cameronlook7823 eh, I know what I am, not what they call me
They aren't rejecting Calvinism. They are rejecting Scripture.
How Else can Two Continue Together, Unless They Be In Agreement ......
Hey an Arminian here. Salvation by faith alone isn't solely Calvinist it is a Christian doctrine and anyone who denies it is under Apostolic anathema (see Paul's Epistle to the Galatians).
Furthermore, you may want to distance yourself from the Council of Jerusalem because that is where the infinitely wise patriarchs decided to formulate a creed saying it was wrong to read the Bible.
Also am a Calvinist and agree with this statement. Salvation by faith alone is more of a pan-Protestant belief. But it’s Biblical and should be accepted. Please turn to Christ over tradition!
Yet you've forgotten (i'm not sure if it's exactly phrased like that in english but the message stays) "faith without actions is dead" and whole metaphor, it was in Paul's if I remember correctly. Don't have the time now
@P.
You misremember my friend. You think of James 2:24-26. "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she recieved the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead."
Be not confused by this passage, for many a Pelagian heretic has run to this passage to say that you can save yourself with works. By no means! James, also writing under inspiration as Paul did, does not contradict the great Apostle. Indeed if one would read James 2 they would notice that James speaks of justification before men, or how other people can know you are truly saved, while the quotations I provided above Paul speaks of justification before God, or how you can know you are truly saved. In fact Paul agreed when he wrote in Ephesians 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jeaus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Paul also tells both Titus and Timothy to be ready for every good work. This is true. Faith without works is dead faith, for true redemptive faith will bear holy fruits of God which are good works. Christ Himself said " You will recognize them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:16a)
@Luke Pride
Friend, I am just planting seeds. If the Spirit wills He will water them and someone might just get curious about what God teaches and not men.
Also as an aside ignorance abounds in the EOC and RCC both because if they were aware of what the Church Fathers taught, they wouldn't bring them up. It turns out a lot of them read their Bibles and came to the same conclusions as Protestants, but few know that because no one actually reads them.
Faith alone is BS.
If you believe in faith alone you MUST believe in irresistible grace, which would make God and unjust Tyrant who blesses and damns whomever he chooses after causing them to be sinful or righteous.
If you believe in faith alone but in resistible grace, then you must concede that humans cannot be saved without doing the "work" of cooperating with the spirit, which is exactly what the catholic/orthodox church teaches.
We just differ in the way we "work" in cooperation with the spirit.
How does a Calvinist know if he is saved or damned? And why does it matter? There is nothing he can do to change his destiny anyways...
It’s an extreme paradox, especially since Calvinism was born and rooted in the most capitalistic places in Europe (the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Scotland). That’s because people don’t really understand what we Calvinists are saying when we describe predestination, it’s an extremely refined dialectical notion. Basically it’s not just that it’s already been decided, it’s that it’s already been decided, we don’t know what’s been decided, and the decision is written in reverse. It’s hard to explain but my problem with free will Christians is that free will turns your faith into an economic exchange with God; “I believe because I want to please God, and I want to get into Heaven.” The Calvinist notion of faith is more like “I believe because I have no choice but to believe, belief is my necessity and I will believe whether I go to Heaven or not.” Same with capitalism in those cradles of Calvinism, “I work because I have no choice but to work, it is my necessity.” The ability to realize inner necessity is a much more radical degree of freedom than any other Christian branch understands, it is effectively the retroactive constitution of our own predestinations. It’s hard to explain but that’s how we see it.
@@padenvanI'm sorry but that was just such bullshit.
How do you?
@@floridaman318 don’t be sorry, I’m sorry if it doesn’t make sense. I just feel like you fear God or you want something out of Him; I love God because I have no choice but to love Him. It’s an obscenity to pray to God and ask for anything ever, which you Arminians do constantly. We only ask for forgiveness, or praise Him. Prayers are not meant for us, they’re meant for Him, alone.
@padenvan5748 1)I'm not "Arminian"
2) Even in Scripture God tells to that He takes care of even the birds in the trees, so how much more would He take care of us? He literally tells us Himself to beseech Him for things.
3) The Holy Ghost said it plain words in Scripture, that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Putting fear of God on the same of level as being selfish not only doesn't make sense, it goes explicitly against what Scripture tells us.
4) Now, yes He says we *should* ask Him for things, and the most appropriate things we should ask for from Him are grace, understanding, faithfulness, charity, patience, etc.
5) But in times of distress, ill health, bodily danger, it is perfectly normal that we should also ask His help. There are numerous examples of that in Scripture, *especially* the Old Testament. We are extremely needy creatures, we are by no means truly independent or self sufficient. We *must* constantly be asking God to provide for us whether we are conscious of it or not. Being conscious of how needy we are is the point and God made us that way to keep us humble.
6) tbh, based on what you jst wrote, I think you are self righteous and I suspect you have a habit of elevating yourself above others, that you are just so much better and holier than the riff raff around you. That's the honest impression I get. Yes, loving God makes sense, and it doesn't seem to make sense to do otherwise, but the fact of the matter is that there are people who do choose to reject God, just as the Israelites had rejected God on many occasions in the Old Testament. I think you are trying to use theology to justify your self righteousness.
Even though I'm a Methodist I really respect these guys for doing that
Can we say, Calvinists were predestines to be condenmed
No you cannot say that. It is reviling & those who practice it will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
@@IamGreatswordWhat if they repent and believe in Christ but still believe Calvinism is true?
@sal2975 Mocking questions? Ok, I gotcha.
@IamGreatsword Guess I misunderstood. Did you mean that those who say calvinists are predestined to be condemned will not enter the kingdom of heaven or those who practice calvinism? I thought you meant those who practice calvinism which is why I asked, "What if they repent and believe but still believe in predestination?" It was a serious question.
@sal2975 Calvinists Worship Jesus properly, biblically & accurately and are Saints in the Faith. The reason so many revile Calvinists is they are true Believers and properly handle the Word of God. So, there you go, I stand on my statements God is completely sovereign and saves who he wants to save and the scriptures clearly teach not all are saved, "No one Seeks God, no not one "many will say Lord Lord"....
John Calvin took himself higher than St. Paul. He even dared to demand removing a book from the NT. The issue is that SOLA FIDE is misunderstood. Because if reading Paul’s letters carefully, we will find that Paul said that “by faith not by actions of the mosaic law” so ML took it wrong and whoever followed him did the same. The protestants are mislead and they do not bother to reexamine the letters
On the other hand LORD Jesus urged us to act according to the faith in Him. Do good deeds to glorify your Father who is in the heaves
And yes, I am an Orthodox from Nazareth Israel
Which book?
Orthodoxy rules!
Especially the Russian Orthodox church which supports a dictator and an unjust war.
Faith without works is dead.
I was talking to a friend of mine and we both see that on both the Calvinism and non-Calvinism side people do not have a proper understanding of Sola Fide. Which I don't either but I would encourage my brothers and sisters in Christ to conduct objective, unbiased research on either camp and pray for discernment and the Lord's leading. Let's stop the name calling and insults and actually love each other as Christ loved us even in our dialogue with those we disagree with.
Sola Fide is heresy, no more research necessary.
Calvinism is goofy though okay there.
@@IsraelCountryCube like on a scale of 1 to 10 how goofy is it lol
The Pharisees also loved their religion and missed the picture. Traditions don’t save anyone. Calvin was right, we are saved by faith alone in Christ alone.
A clear understanding of what the Pharisees were doing and why Jesus spoke so harshly against them is the reason I could never accept Orthodox teaching.
And yet, what you do as protestands is exactly what Pharisees did.
@@PELLIOTIS Exactly, like adding man's rules to the commands in scripture and holding people to them as if they were spoken by God, or elevating ceremony and ritual over the state of the heart . . . oh no wait sorry that's the Catholic Church that does that.
@@billowspillow your ignorance is evident
We are like the Pharisees when we put faith in one interpretation of the Scriptures over another. But the way of Christ is the way of humility and he said he would preserve his Church until the end of the age. This testimony in regards to the validity of the Orthodox Church can be seen in the lives of its saints whose stories have been stripped from Protestanism. My argument against is not on humanistic scholaticism but a challenge to look in the lives of Orthodox saints in this you will see not only consistency but an unbroken line from Jesus Christ and the early church until today in the Orthodox Church.
This video really attracted some goofballs. Don’t know how you have the patience for this. Every video criticizing Calvinism gets this kind of response and it’s never in the form of a point by point actual response. Just accusations that everyone was a heretic abusing the scriptures until John Calvin wrote his commentaries when he was 20 years old, 1500 years after the establishment of the church 😂
There are like 5 calvinists in this comment section😂 but okay keep strawmanning our position as if Rome looks anything like the church St athanasius pastored
This has nothing to do with "Rome" bruh
@@hilanglagi7813 the east didn’t always condemn to hell faithful Christians for not venerating an image either bucko
@@doomerquiet1909 sounds like western protestant pastors condemning fellow Christians to hell simply just because they've an icon at church
@@doomerquiet1909 As far as I'm concerned, most of you guys haven't even come to the discussion table. We are not Roman Catholics. Attacking a straw man does you no good. Rome is under anathema of the Orthodox Church and has been for 1,000 years, longer than you guys have existed. You, however, followed them into their errors for another 500 years, and then created your own.
”Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,“
II Timothy 1:8-9 NKJV
salvation is in Christ alone
Augustine ftw
@@ApollosHagman_17 and not a monergist.
Predestination is an Orthodox doctrine, Calvinism’s version of predestination is not.
Correct, what the synod condemns is unconditional predestination.
Whats the difference
@@orenji-sama514 - The Orthodox view of predestination is that God predestines individuals to salvation or damnation based on His foreknowledge of his or her cooperation, or lack thereof, with grace. It's thus conditional, as it is focus on the real state of the believer which is produced in some aspect by our own will (in the sense of participation, not effective cause; divine grace is the sole cause of salvation.)
The reformed view is that God predestines individuals because He simply wills it to be so. It's attitudinal, and not based on any real state of the believer. This is necessarily assumed because of sola fide.
@@evangelium5376 Could God not have used his forknowledge prior to creation and fashion the universe in any way he wanted, and he chose to create the one where a believer is a believer and an atheist is an atheist?
Doesn’t seem like the individual has much cooperation outside of Gods will.
@@Lycidas777 - Depends on how you think foreknowledge and free will work.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.”
Ephesians 1:3-6 ESV
Biblically, both predestination and free will align with the Bible.
Love orthodox here
I grew up baptist and I am looking to Orthodoxy. Even a lot of baptists disagree with Calvinist doctrine. Sadly, a lot of baptists who may not necessarily agree with predestination still believe in eternal security
I wonder why they would believe that. I guess if one believed in the word of God.................
Ephesians 1: 13 In Him you also, after hearing the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and after believing in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
I just noticed he had Agni Parthene violin cover in the background. Keep up the great work!
Any threat of punishment diminishes any notion of freewill ......
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Reject salvation by faith alone, like the Bible clearly states, in order to cling closer to salvation by ritual and ceremony, like pagan religions.
No council or fallible word of a history or pope should be alowd to supersede or add to what scripture says
Salvation is faith alone 😂
Paul says you're absolutely wrong.
”What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.“
Romans 4:1-4 NKJV
Does your Bible have the book of James, which refutes your statement? Or did you rip that out too?
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It does and fortunately I read things in context so the Bible doesn't contradict itself.
”What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,“
Romans 4:1-5 NKJV
All Christian’s believe in predestination.
Calvinism is for Christinans who dont want to actually follow Christ
Purgatory is for Christian’s who deny Christ’s sacrifice
Faith requires action. Anyone can know a concept, but to use that concept to guide your life decisions is what God asks us to do. I'm not perfect, but I do try to be better every day.
Calvinism is simply a Biblical outline...📖🌷
😂 no its not
@@uchennanwogu2142 It outlines Biblical Doctrine. Look up and read the Canons of Dort....l understood Reformed Theology just by reading Scripture...
Yet no one believed it until 17th century pretty wild don't you think
It was a synod, not a council in 1672. Influential synod but quite a council.
All I know is every time I ask an Ortho about scripture they go “BUT MUH PREEEST KNOWS GREEK”. Maybe Prots are Prots for a reason and trust the God given text more than men wearing the right hats.
Prots are prots because they don’t understand Scripture or Church history.
Based
I swear Calvinist's bibles only have a few verses
Some of them are out of context to
@@Imtryingloll- most are out of context….fixed it for ya. 🤣
@@ragnardanneskajold1880 let's jus be safe and say 99.8%
@@Imtryingloll - 99.8%?…..yeah, that’s about right. 🤣
You'll have to scratch out _a lot_ of verses to get rid of Calvinism. The Bible is literally drenched in the doctrine of divine election. Its all over the place.
There has be an ecumenical council in the 21st century. As Protestants, Orthodox and Catholics we need to come to agrrement based off of scripture primaraly and traditions secondarily
Here's the issue. First of all I'm an Anglican (in Scotland) and a historian. Something else big happened in the "enlightenment" that went hand in hand with the reformation: people started thinking in a more materialist and literal way.
To understand anything as intended by the author and expected by the audience from antiquity to the late Medieval you have to think very differently from a modern audience.
Tradition isn't just stuff we do or ideas we've followed, it's also the extra-canonical texts, old and new testament apocrypha (those which do not contradict scripture) from before 200 BC (note I also included OT in my qualifier) right up to and past Thomas Aquinas.
Pre-modern literature didn't have a separation between fact and fiction and a lot of the Apocrypha is analogous to a cross between Historical Fiction and a Bible Commentary.
So I guess this is a bit of a qualifier rather than a disagreement: extra canonical texts help explain and illuminate things in scripture, and if you think you've found something unbiblical just be sure it's not a modern misinterpretation instead.
I was shocked when i started reading early church fathers, not only as some of the errors made during the reformation, but also at how shallow and malnourished my understanding of scripture was.
Scripture is boss, but tradition helps you understand it, otherwise modern social values inform your understanding of scripture, rather than the other way around
@@sigurdholbarki8268 Traditions of men is what led to the apostate religion of the Pharisees. To rely on tradition for scriptural interpretation instead of the Holy Spirit is what allows heresies to brew. The Bible is written in over 3500 languages, meaning almost everyone can understand it in their own vernacular. Added unto that, English is the Greek of today. I am not a native speaker of the language myself, yet we can use it to reconcile the reconcilable differences that men have caused and be united by scripture, yet allow the diversity of our cultures flourish.
I love this music! Where is it from?
So rejection of Ephesians 1 & 2?
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When predestination and salvation by faith alone is attributed to Calvin, then you can know that you’re not reading your Bible.
If you believe In predestination and faith alone, you know you aren’t reading The Bible.
@@MrWesford for those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers - St Paul
@@MrWesford Galatians 2:16
Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified
@@MrWesford God already knows where each of us will end up. If you would read the bible you would see.....
Ephesians 1: 13 In Him you also, after hearing the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and after believing in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
This channel's shorts are awesome
Traditions dont save neither worshiping idols of saints only by grace we are save and worship belong to Jesus and only Jesus!!
Yay 😀 Go Orthodoxy ✝️✝️✝️Down with the heretics !!!
Are you calling calvinists heretics? The idea of predestination comes straight out of Romans, to reject that is to reject scripture which would make you a heretic
@@mafia5355 stupid comment
@@mafia5355 Pardon, if I may respond on the matter. Romans is not an easy book to read. Saint Peter says concerning Saint Paul: "He writes this way in all his letters. . . . Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction" (2 Peter 3.16). And the holy Church Fathers elucidated these difficult letters for us. They reject predestination as a heresy. It's nothing personal, my friend, but we need to know God as He truly is. He does not predestinate anyone.
@@johnplavdjian7402 I think we can all agree God is an infinite and all-knowing God, correct? God knows who are his, even before they know Him because he has a plan and knows the future. Naturally, humans are sinful and only the Holy Spirit can bring us to him, but the Holy Spirit doesn't save everyone (at least, not until He returns). The doctrine of predestination is exactly that, God knows who He will save and who will accept the gift eternal life with Him and he predestines those he plans to save to heaven. Predestination at first may seem unfair at first, but the people who aren't saved will never be saved and will never search for Him and will never acknowledge Christ as Lord. You used the argument of that the early church fathers didn't like the idea of predestination (the early church fathers are still good sources and I'm not denying their wisdom on most things), but the early church fathers also were still human and supported other things that were later rejected by the Church, like Tertullian of Carthage is a very good source on the doctrine of the Trinity (he first used the word Trinity to describe the relationship and persons of God), but his ideas that Christians couldn't flee persecution and widows couldn't remarry was later rejected; I know that was a lot but I hope you understand and that helps!
There is only salvation in the Catholic Church. And it is ex cathedra.
Calvinists believe that choosing to believe/faith is a work that takes glory away from Jesus. Its the weirdest thing.
You believe? Good. Demons believe too, and tremble. James 2:19.
Guys do you believe that i was baptize by the Holy Spirit? by praying that someday Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant will be one under the banner of cross. I cry out for 3 hours non stop until i fell the heat in my head go down to my foot. Like electricity. I am a catholic. And i believe Islam is the beast of Revelation. Calvinism and Islam has the same believe in free destination.
Unlike Britain, where Calvinism was the state religion in rhat century under Cromwell's military dictatorship, and several German countries, there was no state to enforce it.
The Eastern Orthodox dodged a bullet.
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Hello, i would like to read this confession. Where can I get a pdf version please ?
As former orthodox I thank God heavily for Calvinism I never understood Catholicism and idol worshipping. Not to mention moving away from the Bible to the apocrypha as higher authority blew my mind.. I pray for the Catholics to see the truth and truly find peace in Jesus Christ for his works not ours.
Lol. You can't justify your position. And you apostatized.... that's a grave sin.
@@TheCelticSlav
It’s a grave sin to not worship Mary and not look to the Bible as full authority?
@@JR0G We don’t worship Mary.
And yet salvation is by faith alone
Might want to read James.
@@MrWesford maybe you should read James in context. It’s a book exhorting the saved to do works because if you are saved and don’t do the work you may as well be dead.
Try Romans 11:6
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
@@MrWesford and forgive me my brother in Christ if I come across disrespectfully but I must ensure those reading understand that salvation is by faith alone so that they may be saved and not trust in their own work to save them
You should have a chat with Paul Vanderklay about this
WHY DO PEOPLE EXCEPT THE CHANGES OF THE MASS AND THE REMOVAL OF THE ALTER 🙏
We don’t in the Orthodox Church
I agree with the "rejecting predestination part" but not the "rejecting the salvation by faith alone part". Its literally in Ephesians 2
Calvinism is Based
Orthodoxy is cringe
Unbelievers are always the first to reject Calvinism. Rejecting the biblical teaching of predestination and salvation by faith alone - is straight from the pit of hell.
Actually, Christ was the first to reject Calvinism.
Matthew 25:44-46
"Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’
He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’
And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
They called Jesus, "Lord", but are damned by their failure to act.
And now they have Cyril Lucaris as a saint and have lied up and down that he never was a Calvinist at all. Kudos to you, acknowledging the real history and not giving the official lie version.
How can you even “have faith”, when to have faith implies you are willing something, if everything is predetermined? So your faith is predetermined, which means it’s not even faith that you’re exercising, it’s just a function of consequences set in motion by God.
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This argument against Gods sovereignty (Calvinism) is like an atheist’s argument against God, his existence, his justice and hell.
We fear what we know to be true and try using all our earthly knowledge to form God into our vision of who he is and what his creation should be.
Take comfort in being called by him and take comfort knowing he knew you before time.
What does the church do with Romans 8:30, Romans 9, Ephesians 1?
Reformed theology IS the Gospel.
Eastern Oethodoxy is hyper-institutionalism.
Having faith is cooperation and implies the desire for obedience
Desire. And that's the point isn't it? People misunderstand the doctrine of Divine election. They say "So, if I desire to be saved, but God hasn't elected me, I can't be saved?" That is a misrepresentation of the doctrine.
Here is the right interpretation of doctrine. We still chooses, we have will, which is the capacity to choose. But the will is not free, it is enslaved to our desires, and by nature, we _do not desire_ to serve God. We do not choose our desires, our desires determine our choices. That's why Christ says in John 6 that no one _can_ come to God, unless God draws him. If God elects you, _He_ changes your heart, _He_ grants you second birth, _He_ makes you a new creature, _He_ indwells you with the Holy Spirit. That means, God is the author of the desire you feel to worship Him, and based on that desire, you choose to do so. But if God does not plant that desire in your heart, you will never choose to serve Him, because you have no desire to do so, and you love your sin.
Calvinism doesn't negate human will, human responsibility, and human capacity to choose. Calvinism goes deeper to explain _why_ people choose as they do.
The phrase "free will" is really a meaningless phrase that doesn't explain anything. If our will is truly free, why can't we simply choose to stop sinning all together and earn salvation through our own works, thereby negating the need for Christ? If our will is free now that we have a choice between good and evil, does it mean our will will be less free in heaven when we don't have that choice? Or, will we still have the capacity to sin on Gods new earth? That means we have no assurance of eternal salvation, because we might fall away at any time again on the new earth and be rejected. When you think about it, the idea of human free will raises more questions than it answers. And frankly, the concept is not found in the Bible.
My priest calls Calvinism “special boy doctrine” lol. It’s funny how Calvinists only believe in predestination because they agree with Calvinism… have yet to meet a calvinist who thinks they’re a reprobate
I used to be a Calvinist who was fully convinced I was predestined to Hell. It was a nightmarish time in my life. I’m still pretty scarred from it.
That's maybe because they believe in Jesus. Who believes in Jesus and thinks they're going to hell?
@@mkbr1992 they don’t simply “believe” in Jesus. They assume they are chosen or elect in the eyes of God and bypass judgment. To assume you are saved or elect is the biggest display of delusion and pride and is extremely unbiblical. What I’m trying to say is that Calvinists arbitrarily assume that because they stumbled upon Calvinism, it automatically makes them one of the elect. They can’t prove how they know they are elect
@@zachlehkyi9951 Believing that Jesus is Lord isn't good enough for you? The confidence of the Calvinist is that God gives faith to those He saves.
@@mkbr1992 If St Paul had that kind of arrogance then why did he have to “fight” the good fight? And “finish” the race? And no, faith without works is dead and basically qualifies you to be a demon according to St James.
Predestination is garbage. But he was right about salvation.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
"teachings and traditions" As if tradition has any authority on its own lol.
Isn't predestination implied in the "book of life" in revelation?
No.
calvinism is based on the bible.
orthodoxy is believes biblical authority based on the church’s authority.
there’s many many bible verses that not only imply but literally teach predestination, just google “bible verses on predestination”
orthodoxy simply doesn’t really base doctrine and theology on scripture, especially the epistles, they base it upon institutional authority
@@darthbanana7 Calvanism is a flithy protestant invention. It used to be a heresy back in the day but now it's accepted widely by foolish protestants.
Thank God , he bought me out of this filthy deception.
Calvanism only exists if you focus on certain verses, while ignoring the rest.
@@darthbanana7 surely ! Because where did calvinists get the bible from ?
Exactly! The Tradition of the Orthodox Church... 🤦♂️ You can’t understand without the explanations. And the explanations have already been given (and kept in the Orthodox Church). Calvinism and all these heresies have just made up a whole new religion by explaining by themselves. As islam did. Using the Bible...
@@Zaarck0 no the calvinists got the Bible from God :)
Those who reject Calvin's teachings usually don't understand Calvin and build a strawman and proceed to beat it up.
Understand what? the fact that he was a bit of a monster who had one of his colleagues executed for disagreeing with him.....
Calvinism is based on a straw man of the Catholic Church so very ironic you say that, Calvinism is just a heresy based on another heresy based on the catholic heresy
@@david-468 is your second name heresy? cos you seem a bit obsessed with the word.... I sense that think everything is a heresy except yourself. I prefer the word hilarious myself.
@@fiachramaccana280 no, but that’s the definition of what they are a heresy because they corrupt orthodox Christian teachings
@@david-468 you said there were 3 layers of heresy. Now you talk of Orthodox Christain teachimg. What is that then?
I’m like the Orthodox Church more and more
I’m not a Calvinist but i still know that calvinists are my brothers in Christ. Orthodoxy is committed to tradition first and God second.
I just don’t see how you get around predestination being that God prophecies many things saying he will accomplish it and frequently uses the term through out scripture. It’s just weird how many heretics hate predestination and how Catholics or orthodox try to avoid it when saint Agustin would say other wise.
They were predestined to hate predestination, you were predestined to think its weird, and I was predestined to write this comment
Romans 8:29 bud.
Phrophecies doesn’t equal predestination also you’re the heretic, lol your religion literally is in contradiction to what Jesus said, to be any Protestant demonization you have to believe Jesus was wrong when he said his church “would not fall” also if predestination is true then Jesus is meaningless, you’re basically aryan at this point, because if it’s pre determined you go to heaven or hell then Jesus didn’t die for your sins because “you were going to heaven anyways” it also would mean all the apostles were wrong and works are meaningless as well as baptism since you’re already chosen to go to heaven at birth according to Calvinism
@@joshuadonahue5871 Bravo, well put.
So true
Crazy seeing a church rejecting biblical truth. Salvation by faith, no icons, no saint veneration......ALL biblical and correct.
Calvinists still persevere the saints, otherwise our Saltire, the St. Andrew's Cross would be replaced with a lion rampant.
And we haven't used the Lion Rampant in such a fashion unless in historical reference, it is a catholic ensign so we obviously won't suffer it.
We suffered enough at the hands of the Vatican already, but we still understand and persevere the saints who watch over us.
Yes, I am Scottish lol
They follow the bible until they dont, because its not so convenient to accept that Peter is the Rock of Matthew 16 and that no man has authority to start a church, only christ does.
Then they conveniently start scriputetwisting like there is no tomorrow.
@@awuriefnejqwjmnwn4960 categorically false
@@mysticnovelbro sure bud. Renaming someone and giving him the keys to heaven is absolutely meaningless lmao
@@awuriefnejqwjmnwn4960 categorically false
Good, as a non-denominational Christian I respect this
Salvation is through faith alone.
James 2:24
Im orthodox and i believe salvation by faith alone is pretty based
Or salvation for everyone. I dont believe God excludes bad people
Then how do we prove we have faith the faith? We can't just say "I believe" because anybody can just say that without any faith at all. So to prove it, we should practice the tradition & live within the tradition. Not only that, but faith has to be mantained? How? By living in the tradition & upholding the teachings of the apostles. So, if faith can only be proven & by the tradition & the teachings of the apostles, "faith alone" is wrong.
@@meandros1678 God never excludes anyone. It's the people who exclude God. It's the people who turn their backs from God. God already give His salvation & it's up to each person whether they wanna take it or not.
@@P.Whitestrake God made the people this way. Why should He exclude them ? Its like creating to kinds of people, those who will act right and those who will act wrong and punishing one of them. Even if we say God gave us freedom, he knows how we will act.
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Good for the Orthodox Church.
One needs to look at the letters of the Law that people follow AND how they apply it in their lives. Even if Protestants teach salvation by Faith alone, their way of life confesses that one must struggle against sin at all times, and the necessity of good works. One must therefore conclude that good worked is part of Christian life, but salvation rests in Christ alone, which is quite Orthodox.
Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Everyone wants to hate on Reformed theology but forget it was what produced the protestant reformation
As a calvinist on his way to becoming an orthodox catechumen I find it funny that this was not mentioned in the reformist catechism that we were taught. After all that occurred far after the Reformation!
You are on your way to venerate miracle making icons and relics? And as a bonus the priest' hand? 🤣🤣🤣
Everyone is a calvanist you just dont know it yet...
Exactly. *I know you before you were in your mother's womb* Jeremiah 1:5
*He chose us in Him before the foundations of the earth..* Eph.1:4
and on and on
The people in these comments are so lovely.
As protestant, I find protestantism to have alot more heresies than I thought so previously... unfortunately.
Calvinism paradoxically argues against Free Will.
Yo what is this song playing in the background?
I'm A Presbyterian and I still respect and love my Christian brother's and sisters across protestantism, Orthodoxy, and Catholicism. May God Bless You All.