I like old Thor more than the one we're stuck with now. Say how serious and boring he is all you want, at least he still acts like a good and was treated as such.
Which iteration of the character works the best? The first one. Or, put it like this, the one from Thor 2011, all the way to Avengers: Age of Ultron. That was Thor how he should always be portrayed. If you want him to have humorous moments at times go ahead. But Thor isn’t Tony Stark or Peter Parker. He’s the God of Thunder and he will bring lighting down upon you if you piss him off. And that’s why I always say that in my opinion, Thor 1 is the best Thor film. It understands the mythos of Asgard and gets the character of Thor right. The journey he takes to become selfless. The payoff in the end when he defeats his brother. It’s the definitive Thor movie to me.
thor does have humor in the early movies, he just isn't the once constantly making the joke, he was often the straight man or the one reacting to humor which propped up the humor he was reacting to
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Thank you. Like sincerely. This means a ton. Im really trying to add more nuance and thoughtfulness to the film critique space on youtube, and im finding my voice and tone as I go. Knowing that it connects with even one person is exhilarating and im excited to grow more over time and connect with people like yourself. Thanks for being one of the og's!
yeah it can be difficult when the channel is all about balanced criticism and doing actual criticism where we're actually being reasonable without going on a shit talk/rant video. And when it comes UA-cam as well as social media, it's currently a trend to shit on Marvel, so people will hop on that popularity for that. The Writer's Block is none of those. But yep, deserves a lot more attention and support. We really need more people like him.
say what you will about Love and Thunder Thor & Jane have vastly improved & actually look so beautiful together now & Jane is actually a good character, a vast improvement from how poorly her character was done in Dark World Jane really proved to be the Mighty Thor by the end *SPOILER* And awesome to see where her character can go next since she's in Valhalla now & might become a Valkyrie like in the comics
They did do it better, but it still wasn’t good and Jane in that movie is no longer boring, but super irritating and gives out some of the worst lines of dialogue in the MCU with “first it’s Mighty Thor” and ending with “eat my hammer!”
Thor and and Tony were the most epic to watch in infinity war. They are the reason why, despite knowing the snap will get reversed, it still feels like a meaningful failure. I know a lot of people are split on Thor 4 but I actually liked it. Thor had already said it in infinity war "What more could I lose." Well this movie taught him he still had more to lose. While it's almost become meme worthy how much he has failed and lost, I think it's what sets him apart from the other avengers and makes him more interesting. Hands down the best scene of Thor 4 is the destruction of the Necron sword. The fact that it was capable of reassembling itself and they basically had to hit it again like killing Doctor Who during his regeneration was really cool to watch.
If you ask me Thor from the first film all the way to endgame was for the most part consistent. Love and thunder really wasn't for me. It felt more concerned with being a comedy than telling a story wich is really disappointing.
I don't know if you ever watch Kinda Funny's "In Review" but they talk about those eyebrows AT LENGTH. I don't know personally how I feel about 'em, but they are undoubtedly ICONIC!
While Thor's character may have never been treaded perfectly, I do think his appearances are almost always built based on his previous one. 'Ragnarok' is his most popular movie, but there are still fans who think that the radical change do not suit him. I can understand; comedy was a formula that worked wonders for the MCU at the time and the way he simply adopted that kind of humor off-screen is quite abrupt, so it could it appear disingenuous. But I view it as Thor being tired of people's expectation of him. He adopted comedic persona as new way to face his obstacles. Yes, the studio does want to make him more relevant but it worked within the canon as well. 'Infinity War' see this persona crack. It does bother me a bit that he regained his eye so quickly; not only that undermines the symbolism but because the eyepatch is badass. But at the same time, Thor has lost so much, to the point he asks what more he could lose, that him regaining something feels welcomed. Especially that it came from Rocket. This is a character who used to take stuffs he didn't even need, but now able to give away stuffs. 'Endgame' answered Thor's own question. As it happened, he _could_ lose more and that is himself. All he seemingly had left was that comedic persona. He allowed himself to be the butt of jokes. I do think they went a bit overmuch on the jokes, but I also still think it's a solid arc for Thor. He learned that there's more to himself than his defeat, his loss. While he didn't get to save the day, the day is nonetheless saved and that's all that mattered. Fittingly, the movie ends with Thor joining the Guardians, who have been on a similar journey of loss. 'Love & Thunder' is the one that broke the chain. I've no idea where Waititi "found" this rendition of Thor; it wasn't from 'Endgame' or even Waititi's own 'Ragnarok'. This Thor went against them, not based off them. In fact, the movie goes against *itself* at times. It's hard to really assess what it's trying to say when it's so thin and messy. What I'd say of it is that it's pointless. It had so much going for it, but the creative team took the dullest way to it.
I think Taika didn't advance Thor's character. He regressed it to an absurdly reductive stereotype of essentially a dumb jock with almost no moral compass. That he moved it forward yet again to almost a normal Thor by the end isn't progress. It's two steps backwards and one step forward. I just see Thor: Love and Thunder as a silly, undeserved, regression, that underutilized the protagonists and antagonist in this movie. Waititi went overboard by turning everything up to 11, which ruined the potentiality of the movie. It could have been so much better, with two great storylines, but it was robbed of the gravitas it needed. The comedy took away from it.
@@markmolino679 if you think that's character destruction you have not seen what happened to The Last Jedi Luke since everything about him goes completely against how Luke is There's nothing wrong with "the broken hero" arc, but the problem was the execution where the reason Luke made a complete 180 and became a pessimist completely reverses and contradicts everything that he learned and went through in the original trilogy and the sequel trilogy had to rely on the last time we had seen Luke and his friends, which all became way too jarring and none of the facts and circumstances were able to properly back up the sudden 180 of Luke in The Last Jedi (why would Luke's first instinct is kill his own nephew over a sense of the dark side when he completely risked the whole galaxy over his father who's the dark lord of the Sith? And sure Luke will feel guilty and shame over his failure and will need time for himself away from everyone, but it won't be enough to make him completely selfish and jaded when he never truly lost everyone, not when Leia, Han, Chewie, 3PO, R2, and Lando are still out there and they can still save Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. If Luke were to truly become what he became in The Last Jedi, he'll have to completely lose everything, especially the ones he love and care deeply). Even Wanda Maximoff's 180 turn in Multiverse of Madness still has sense and backed up with established lore and circumstances (Wanda's weak mental stability + constant dreaming of her children in other universes + the Darkhold's corruptive influence) As for Thor in Love and Thunder, The Writer's Block perfectly explained it, the story perfectly aligns with where Endgame left off with Thor, especially given that Thor is actually still depressed, yes they reversed the Snap and saved a lot of people, but it just wasn't enough for Thor. For Thor, it doesn't make up all the losses he had (his mother Frigga, his father Odin, Asgard and some of the people who didn't survive Raganrok, Heimdall, and his brother Loki. It doesn't help his close colleagues are also gone, Tony's dead and Steve's retired and God knows where Steve is) in the past time. And it's also not too far off that a depressed person can hide his depression by acting like a clown. Now that's up to you if you like how Thor acted or not, but to say that they completely ruined Thor is already far-fetched given that Thor's arc in Love and Thunder perfectly fits well with where Thor was left off in Endgame and still learned and gained something out of his experience in the film, Jane's last dying words to Thor open up again and keep his heart open. Frigga in Endgame allowed Thor to find the light in the dark of his depression and tried to get there, and Jane in Love and Thunder pulled Thor back up into the light and finally overcome his depression. Thus perfectly ends with Thor becoming a father to Gorr's daughter Love as well as try to be the best example of being a god who the people needs, which almost most Gods have failed to do (like Zeus and most of the Egyptian gods in Moon Knight. Khonshu would be the only other god other than Thor who Gorr would find respect given that Khonshu still cares for humanity despite having questionable methods). In short, Love and Thunder is basically like the Star Wars prequels, particularly The Phantom Menace. Flawed, but still had a good story and heart that allows the characters to grow and the story itself to weave and connect well with the rest of the stories. Whether you like it or hate it, that's completely fine. But again, it's not like with the Star Wars sequels where it ends up becoming incohesive to the point it completely contradicts everything previous stories had established. Like what The Writer's Block said, it's by no means a bad movie, not when movies like Dark World and Captain Marvel exist just for how forgettable they are and characters not going anywhere nor gain anything from their experiences.
@@kendrick5501 Makes me want to watch Love and Thunder lol. Not a fan of the prequel but not a hater either. Sounds like a good popcorn flick just like the prequels.
My view on Thor in Endgame is that its a good idea, very poorly executed. There’s nothing wrong with the idea of Thor spiralling with depression the way he does, but the movie consistently treats Thor and his state as a joke intil he meets with his mother again. That left a really bad taste in my mouth and is why i find it difficukt to return to Endgame.
Love and Thunder just felt like Taika didn’t want to be there. Not sure if that’s actually the case but that’s the vibe I got from it. I don’t want to see any more blockbusters from him. Let him go back to his indie/mid-budget gems.
Thor 1 still the most to it, maybe infinity war Should be kept serious majority of the time not a third with the other the but of the jokes Ragnarok was the worst, just ruined the tone people liked cause comedy or just casual appeal but it was worst
I'm leaving the MCU after 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3', so I won't be around to see what the MCU would do for Thor next. My opinion is that 'Love & Thunder' drove him into a tight corner that looks like a dead end. It would take a hell of a trick to get him out of there. That trick being that he remains comedic. A big risk since that last movie isn't popular and its humor was a big part why it was. The other part of the trick is making sure the comedy would actually be funny and meaningful, but that much is obvious.
I may be in the minority but… I enjoy TLAT more than TR. In Thor Ragnarok, all the things that happened in the first 30 minutes felt contrived and forced for me. Once Thor comes to earth he happens to encounter Dr Strange who happens to know that his father is in Northway. His father happens to be at the end of his life, he dies and then Hela happens to appear just there. Then she sends them both to the same planet despite them being sent at two different times. And on Sakaar it happened that there is an ancient Valkyrie and Hulk. A lot of things just happen so Thor meets another random Marvel hero, and then gets sent on a random planet where he coincidently meets Hulk and a former Asgardian hero. Thor Love and Thunder had arguably a better pacing, as it opens on the backstory of the villain and then when Thor meets Jane it has been built up before as we saw that Jane developed cancer and came to new Asgard. And then when they go to a godly planet governed by a big asshole who ridiculise Thor and makes him prisoner, it plays a role in the thematic of the story and is built up and useful to the plot, as Thor is coming for help and is deceived by his hero. This is what made me appreciate Thor Love and Thunder a bit more as the story felt more solid and thematically driven.
I completely disagree. Thor: Ragnarok was better in every way. It was funny, but for the most part it didn’t undermine the dramatic moments and had Thor actually grow and become a better character than he was before. Love and Thunder on the other hand was just jokes flying everywhere constantly undermining the story and messages.
@@captainmarvelwilson508 Thor’s character arc in Thor Ragnarok is just a repeat of his arc in Thor 1. He loses his hammer so he can learn to find his true strength in himself, without his hammer. And at least in Thor 1 he learnt to become more humble and human, thus it was more compelling. And I can’t take seriously the dramatic stakes of Asgard collapsing as the movie constantly wastes its time with all this « Planet-Hulk » filler, with some of the worst jokes in all the MCU like Hulk being undressed (it was already done in Friedberg and Seltzer’s Disaster Movie). Besides, the rivalry between Thor and Loki has become a joke at this point, while even the second movie kept their rivalry intimate and genuine. At least Thor 4 assumes that his stakes are more intimate than a world ending catastrophe. And the funny tone is organic to Thor’s arc trying to avoid attachment or emptiness by joking on everything, and learning to reconnect with Jane and feeling vulnerable again. Even the filler quest on omnipotent city is organic to the themes of the gods being a privilege cast abusing their powers, while the filler on Sakaar in Thor Ragnarok is filler for filler. There is no connection between the Grandmaster controlling the planet and Héla’s threat on Asgard. Even the cameo has more purpose : Guardians serve the story as Star Lord gives Thor a life lesson linked to what Thor needs to learn in this movie, whereas Doctor Strange is there just to say « Hello » and not fighting Héla (even though she was a threat to earth as well as Loki and he could have trapped her the same way he trapped Loki).
Ragnajoke didn't continue anything from the previous movies. Thor is a moron, which he was supposed to be no more after his character growth in the superior first movie. He forgets about the Warriors Three and Sif, which Thor from the previous movies never would. Loki is nothing like he used to be. . Ragnajoke didn't manage anything. It had no "compelling" story to tell. It was a two hour farce with surface-level plot that still managed to completely crumble under its own thin weight, with things making no sense. Like how Loki went from a cunning villain to a complete idiot in the span of two movies who no longer uses clever deceptions, but actively sabotages his own scheme by acting nothing like Odin would. Like how Thor became a comedian with no rhyme or reason. Like how Hela's so-called "plan" stumbles because she forgot that she can open the bridge without Heimdall's sword. Like how there's some uprising against her that happens off-screen. So on and so on. She was an awful villain, too. Just Malekith, but with a VG between her legs. I'm sorry to inform you, but Thor Ragnajoke is as awful as Dumb and Thunder, which IS A BAD BAD MOVIE, and you just have a horrible taste in movies and stories. Raise your standards, or because of people like you the MCU will never learn and will keep on producing slop like Ragnajoke and Dumb and Thunder.
You are giving Taika Waititi way too much credit. There is nothing wrong with his comedy and he is a talented director, but how he handled Thor in Love and Thunder was embarrassing. Love and Thunder is not really good at all, it is a bad movie and Thor’s character development is not strong at all. It is Thor again, finding himself, when I was pretty sure he had already found himself with the Guardians of the Galaxy. We can still include Jane and other characters, but don’t just unceremoniously cut him off from the people whom he was with just with at the end of Endgame. The screaming goat gag never got hilarious at all. It was always unfunny from the start and just annoyed the ever loving sh*t out of me.
11:29 ??? I am baffled by your comment: "As to character development for Thor, it's actually really strong". Love and Thunder did nothing for Thor, He is no longer Thor in the film. Go watch Avengers Infinity War- that is Thor not this lost bumbling fool. Love and Thunder is a mess: his dialogue is horrible. The frat boy hand-shake, listen to how he talks when he is given the annoying goats. Just awful writing.
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Love and thunder wasn't "a bad movie". Lmao and there goes all your credibility. The movie was genuinely awful. Acting, writing, the lot. Get it together
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Which character NEEEDS a Thor-style revamping going forward in the MCU??? Let me know, and I'll be sure to respond!
Moon Knight
Moon Knight
I'm guessing you weren't a fan of the show then?
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial Yeah, I didn’t care for it.
Understandable
I like old Thor more than the one we're stuck with now. Say how serious and boring he is all you want, at least he still acts like a good and was treated as such.
Which iteration of the character works the best? The first one. Or, put it like this, the one from Thor 2011, all the way to Avengers: Age of Ultron. That was Thor how he should always be portrayed. If you want him to have humorous moments at times go ahead. But Thor isn’t Tony Stark or Peter Parker. He’s the God of Thunder and he will bring lighting down upon you if you piss him off. And that’s why I always say that in my opinion, Thor 1 is the best Thor film. It understands the mythos of Asgard and gets the character of Thor right. The journey he takes to become selfless. The payoff in the end when he defeats his brother. It’s the definitive Thor movie to me.
I agree with everything you said. Marvel basically destroyed the character of Thor and made him into a bumbling idiot.
Marvel saw that people liked tony stark and tried to make everyone a funny guy like tony
thor does have humor in the early movies, he just isn't the once constantly making the joke, he was often the straight man or the one reacting to humor which propped up the humor he was reacting to
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Thank you. Like sincerely. This means a ton. Im really trying to add more nuance and thoughtfulness to the film critique space on youtube, and im finding my voice and tone as I go. Knowing that it connects with even one person is exhilarating and im excited to grow more over time and connect with people like yourself. Thanks for being one of the og's!
yeah it can be difficult when the channel is all about balanced criticism and doing actual criticism where we're actually being reasonable without going on a shit talk/rant video. And when it comes UA-cam as well as social media, it's currently a trend to shit on Marvel, so people will hop on that popularity for that. The Writer's Block is none of those.
But yep, deserves a lot more attention and support. We really need more people like him.
say what you will about Love and Thunder
Thor & Jane have vastly improved & actually look so beautiful together now & Jane is actually a good character, a vast improvement from how poorly her character was done in Dark World
Jane really proved to be the Mighty Thor by the end
*SPOILER*
And awesome to see where her character can go next since she's in Valhalla now & might become a Valkyrie like in the comics
Holy crap that would be so dope to see
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial ikr
for as long as they know what more to build up with Jane Foster, should be awesome
tf you on dude. Love and Thunder is absolute trash
They did do it better, but it still wasn’t good and Jane in that movie is no longer boring, but super irritating and gives out some of the worst lines of dialogue in the MCU with “first it’s Mighty Thor” and ending with “eat my hammer!”
Thor and and Tony were the most epic to watch in infinity war. They are the reason why, despite knowing the snap will get reversed, it still feels like a meaningful failure.
I know a lot of people are split on Thor 4 but I actually liked it. Thor had already said it in infinity war "What more could I lose." Well this movie taught him he still had more to lose. While it's almost become meme worthy how much he has failed and lost, I think it's what sets him apart from the other avengers and makes him more interesting.
Hands down the best scene of Thor 4 is the destruction of the Necron sword. The fact that it was capable of reassembling itself and they basically had to hit it again like killing Doctor Who during his regeneration was really cool to watch.
Someone else who liked love and thunder??? Be careful out there. These streets aren't friendly for the likes of us
If you ask me Thor from the first film all the way to endgame was for the most part consistent. Love and thunder really wasn't for me. It felt more concerned with being a comedy than telling a story wich is really disappointing.
The original idea for the dark world was a cosmic romance between Jane and Thor, would’ve actually let Portman act. Would’ve been awesome
I prefer Dark world over love and thunder
Makes sense. Dark world is more traditional thor so it just depends on what you prefer
infinity war thor was the best.....perfectly balanced
As all things should be
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial Right on brothaa!
Bring back blonde eyebrows Thor!
I don't know if you ever watch Kinda Funny's "In Review" but they talk about those eyebrows AT LENGTH. I don't know personally how I feel about 'em, but they are undoubtedly ICONIC!
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial I’ll check it out! I always thought it was funny to give him bleach blonde brows 😂
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10:11 yes it should. He has a beer belly showing Thor isn't taking care of himself anymore as a result of his downward spiral into depression
While Thor's character may have never been treaded perfectly, I do think his appearances are almost always built based on his previous one.
'Ragnarok' is his most popular movie, but there are still fans who think that the radical change do not suit him. I can understand; comedy was a formula that worked wonders for the MCU at the time and the way he simply adopted that kind of humor off-screen is quite abrupt, so it could it appear disingenuous. But I view it as Thor being tired of people's expectation of him. He adopted comedic persona as new way to face his obstacles. Yes, the studio does want to make him more relevant but it worked within the canon as well.
'Infinity War' see this persona crack. It does bother me a bit that he regained his eye so quickly; not only that undermines the symbolism but because the eyepatch is badass. But at the same time, Thor has lost so much, to the point he asks what more he could lose, that him regaining something feels welcomed. Especially that it came from Rocket. This is a character who used to take stuffs he didn't even need, but now able to give away stuffs.
'Endgame' answered Thor's own question. As it happened, he _could_ lose more and that is himself. All he seemingly had left was that comedic persona. He allowed himself to be the butt of jokes. I do think they went a bit overmuch on the jokes, but I also still think it's a solid arc for Thor. He learned that there's more to himself than his defeat, his loss. While he didn't get to save the day, the day is nonetheless saved and that's all that mattered. Fittingly, the movie ends with Thor joining the Guardians, who have been on a similar journey of loss.
'Love & Thunder' is the one that broke the chain. I've no idea where Waititi "found" this rendition of Thor; it wasn't from 'Endgame' or even Waititi's own 'Ragnarok'. This Thor went against them, not based off them. In fact, the movie goes against *itself* at times. It's hard to really assess what it's trying to say when it's so thin and messy. What I'd say of it is that it's pointless. It had so much going for it, but the creative team took the dullest way to it.
I think Taika didn't advance Thor's character. He regressed it to an absurdly reductive stereotype of essentially a dumb jock with almost no moral compass. That he moved it forward yet again to almost a normal Thor by the end isn't progress. It's two steps backwards and one step forward.
I just see Thor: Love and Thunder as a silly, undeserved, regression, that underutilized the protagonists and antagonist in this movie. Waititi went overboard by turning everything up to 11, which ruined the potentiality of the movie. It could have been so much better, with two great storylines, but it was robbed of the gravitas it needed. The comedy took away from it.
Thor is strong, charming, kind, honest, loyal.
I was bugged they got rid of Thor’s eyepatch
Like its so dope. Bring it back
they ruined him in TLAT iunno how they can recover after that
I dont think they ruined him. Worst case.scenaril they tone down the comedy and are a big closer to ragnarok in the future
@The Writer's block, Marvel haven't ruined him.They destroyed him and made him into a bumbling idiot.
@@markmolino679 if you think that's character destruction
you have not seen what happened to The Last Jedi Luke since everything about him goes completely against how Luke is
There's nothing wrong with "the broken hero" arc, but the problem was the execution where the reason Luke made a complete 180 and became a pessimist completely reverses and contradicts everything that he learned and went through in the original trilogy and the sequel trilogy had to rely on the last time we had seen Luke and his friends, which all became way too jarring and none of the facts and circumstances were able to properly back up the sudden 180 of Luke in The Last Jedi (why would Luke's first instinct is kill his own nephew over a sense of the dark side when he completely risked the whole galaxy over his father who's the dark lord of the Sith? And sure Luke will feel guilty and shame over his failure and will need time for himself away from everyone, but it won't be enough to make him completely selfish and jaded when he never truly lost everyone, not when Leia, Han, Chewie, 3PO, R2, and Lando are still out there and they can still save Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. If Luke were to truly become what he became in The Last Jedi, he'll have to completely lose everything, especially the ones he love and care deeply).
Even Wanda Maximoff's 180 turn in Multiverse of Madness still has sense and backed up with established lore and circumstances (Wanda's weak mental stability + constant dreaming of her children in other universes + the Darkhold's corruptive influence)
As for Thor in Love and Thunder, The Writer's Block perfectly explained it, the story perfectly aligns with where Endgame left off with Thor, especially given that Thor is actually still depressed, yes they reversed the Snap and saved a lot of people, but it just wasn't enough for Thor. For Thor, it doesn't make up all the losses he had (his mother Frigga, his father Odin, Asgard and some of the people who didn't survive Raganrok, Heimdall, and his brother Loki. It doesn't help his close colleagues are also gone, Tony's dead and Steve's retired and God knows where Steve is) in the past time. And it's also not too far off that a depressed person can hide his depression by acting like a clown. Now that's up to you if you like how Thor acted or not, but to say that they completely ruined Thor is already far-fetched given that Thor's arc in Love and Thunder perfectly fits well with where Thor was left off in Endgame and still learned and gained something out of his experience in the film, Jane's last dying words to Thor open up again and keep his heart open. Frigga in Endgame allowed Thor to find the light in the dark of his depression and tried to get there, and Jane in Love and Thunder pulled Thor back up into the light and finally overcome his depression. Thus perfectly ends with Thor becoming a father to Gorr's daughter Love as well as try to be the best example of being a god who the people needs, which almost most Gods have failed to do (like Zeus and most of the Egyptian gods in Moon Knight. Khonshu would be the only other god other than Thor who Gorr would find respect given that Khonshu still cares for humanity despite having questionable methods).
In short, Love and Thunder is basically like the Star Wars prequels, particularly The Phantom Menace. Flawed, but still had a good story and heart that allows the characters to grow and the story itself to weave and connect well with the rest of the stories. Whether you like it or hate it, that's completely fine. But again, it's not like with the Star Wars sequels where it ends up becoming incohesive to the point it completely contradicts everything previous stories had established.
Like what The Writer's Block said, it's by no means a bad movie, not when movies like Dark World and Captain Marvel exist just for how forgettable they are and characters not going anywhere nor gain anything from their experiences.
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial Love and Thunder is so comparable to The Phantom Menace when you think of it
@@kendrick5501 Makes me want to watch Love and Thunder lol. Not a fan of the prequel but not a hater either. Sounds like a good popcorn flick just like the prequels.
My view on Thor in Endgame is that its a good idea, very poorly executed. There’s nothing wrong with the idea of Thor spiralling with depression the way he does, but the movie consistently treats Thor and his state as a joke intil he meets with his mother again. That left a really bad taste in my mouth and is why i find it difficukt to return to Endgame.
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Thanks man. Always tryna put out good stuff
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He needs one more film
Love and Thunder just felt like Taika didn’t want to be there. Not sure if that’s actually the case but that’s the vibe I got from it. I don’t want to see any more blockbusters from him. Let him go back to his indie/mid-budget gems.
Thor 1 still the most to it, maybe infinity war
Should be kept serious majority of the time not a third with the other the but of the jokes
Ragnarok was the worst, just ruined the tone people liked cause comedy or just casual appeal but it was worst
I'm leaving the MCU after 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3', so I won't be around to see what the MCU would do for Thor next.
My opinion is that 'Love & Thunder' drove him into a tight corner that looks like a dead end. It would take a hell of a trick to get him out of there.
That trick being that he remains comedic. A big risk since that last movie isn't popular and its humor was a big part why it was. The other part of the trick is making sure the comedy would actually be funny and meaningful, but that much is obvious.
Thor was always my favorite and I loved all his movies. Chris Hemsworth is great in the role.
I did not. The other main heroes had better movies.
Bucky or Captain Marvel
Honestly I felt that bucky Kentucky was more than adequately developed in hannah Montana but to each their own
I may be in the minority but… I enjoy TLAT more than TR. In Thor Ragnarok, all the things that happened in the first 30 minutes felt contrived and forced for me. Once Thor comes to earth he happens to encounter Dr Strange who happens to know that his father is in Northway. His father happens to be at the end of his life, he dies and then Hela happens to appear just there.
Then she sends them both to the same planet despite them being sent at two different times. And on Sakaar it happened that there is an ancient Valkyrie and Hulk.
A lot of things just happen so Thor meets another random Marvel hero, and then gets sent on a random planet where he coincidently meets Hulk and a former Asgardian hero.
Thor Love and Thunder had arguably a better pacing, as it opens on the backstory of the villain and then when Thor meets Jane it has been built up before as we saw that Jane developed cancer and came to new Asgard. And then when they go to a godly planet governed by a big asshole who ridiculise Thor and makes him prisoner, it plays a role in the thematic of the story and is built up and useful to the plot, as Thor is coming for help and is deceived by his hero. This is what made me appreciate Thor Love and Thunder a bit more as the story felt more solid and thematically driven.
I completely disagree. Thor: Ragnarok was better in every way. It was funny, but for the most part it didn’t undermine the dramatic moments and had Thor actually grow and become a better character than he was before. Love and Thunder on the other hand was just jokes flying everywhere constantly undermining the story and messages.
@@captainmarvelwilson508 Thor’s character arc in Thor Ragnarok is just a repeat of his arc in Thor 1. He loses his hammer so he can learn to find his true strength in himself, without his hammer. And at least in Thor 1 he learnt to become more humble and human, thus it was more compelling.
And I can’t take seriously the dramatic stakes of Asgard collapsing as the movie constantly wastes its time with all this « Planet-Hulk » filler, with some of the worst jokes in all the MCU like Hulk being undressed (it was already done in Friedberg and Seltzer’s Disaster Movie). Besides, the rivalry between Thor and Loki has become a joke at this point, while even the second movie kept their rivalry intimate and genuine.
At least Thor 4 assumes that his stakes are more intimate than a world ending catastrophe. And the funny tone is organic to Thor’s arc trying to avoid attachment or emptiness by joking on everything, and learning to reconnect with Jane and feeling vulnerable again. Even the filler quest on omnipotent city is organic to the themes of the gods being a privilege cast abusing their powers, while the filler on Sakaar in Thor Ragnarok is filler for filler. There is no connection between the Grandmaster controlling the planet and Héla’s threat on Asgard.
Even the cameo has more purpose : Guardians serve the story as Star Lord gives Thor a life lesson linked to what Thor needs to learn in this movie, whereas Doctor Strange is there just to say « Hello » and not fighting Héla (even though she was a threat to earth as well as Loki and he could have trapped her the same way he trapped Loki).
Ragnajoke didn't continue anything from the previous movies. Thor is a moron, which he was supposed to be no more after his character growth in the superior first movie. He forgets about the Warriors Three and Sif, which Thor from the previous movies never would. Loki is nothing like he used to be. . Ragnajoke didn't manage anything. It had no "compelling" story to tell. It was a two hour farce with surface-level plot that still managed to completely crumble under its own thin weight, with things making no sense. Like how Loki went from a cunning villain to a complete idiot in the span of two movies who no longer uses clever deceptions, but actively sabotages his own scheme by acting nothing like Odin would. Like how Thor became a comedian with no rhyme or reason. Like how Hela's so-called "plan" stumbles because she forgot that she can open the bridge without Heimdall's sword. Like how there's some uprising against her that happens off-screen. So on and so on. She was an awful villain, too. Just Malekith, but with a VG between her legs. I'm sorry to inform you, but Thor Ragnajoke is as awful as Dumb and Thunder, which IS A BAD BAD MOVIE, and you just have a horrible taste in movies and stories. Raise your standards, or because of people like you the MCU will never learn and will keep on producing slop like Ragnajoke and Dumb and Thunder.
More like BORE RAGNAROK amiright???
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You are giving Taika Waititi way too much credit. There is nothing wrong with his comedy and he is a talented director, but how he handled Thor in Love and Thunder was embarrassing. Love and Thunder is not really good at all, it is a bad movie and Thor’s character development is not strong at all. It is Thor again, finding himself, when I was pretty sure he had already found himself with the Guardians of the Galaxy. We can still include Jane and other characters, but don’t just unceremoniously cut him off from the people whom he was with just with at the end of Endgame. The screaming goat gag never got hilarious at all. It was always unfunny from the start and just annoyed the ever loving sh*t out of me.
11:29 ??? I am baffled by your comment: "As to character development for Thor, it's actually really strong". Love and Thunder did nothing for Thor, He is no longer Thor in the film. Go watch Avengers Infinity War- that is Thor not this lost bumbling fool. Love and Thunder is a mess: his dialogue is horrible. The frat boy hand-shake, listen to how he talks when he is given the annoying goats. Just awful writing.
I mean if you're actually open to discussing this im happy to. But it seems likecypute just going to be dismissive of anyone with a different opinion
Jonathan ??
That's the name of Thor's Hammer
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Love in thunder was a 1-10 your lien
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Love and thunder wasn't "a bad movie". Lmao and there goes all your credibility. The movie was genuinely awful. Acting, writing, the lot. Get it together
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