its been such a long time since we got one of these but now I finally remember that m2k v Mang0 grand finals is why I fell in love with Melee in the first place.
I was rooting for M2K all the way but Mango definitely deserved the win. However, I am so pissed that m2k did not just grab ledge at @16:24 so I could of seen another set of this.
+John Smith I just feel hanging on edge would put M2K in a way more dominate position where he could simply wait for Mango to side B so he could give a well timed back air. I understand there Mango had a few different options there, but at that level of play and for someone like M2K that scenario seemed like a rather basic edge guard, ESPECIALLY against a character like falco.
+TheyCallMeArjun I doubt Armada will ever go Fox vs m2k. He has dominated him in the past with peach. M2k can death touch spacies but not floaties. M2k hates peach and all of those mental and historical factors lead me to believe that untill m2k figures out the floaty matchups with one of his chars , Armada will play him as peach.
this was so intense. I'm glad to see m2k's comeback in melee. both these players played fantastic, m2k was on a roll and really deserved a win, but damn, mangos Falco was so damn crisp. he just nailed every input.
Dude, if you don't want people yelling at you, then don't start arguments that no one has even come close to bringing up. The first guy only mentioned smash 4, not even a claim that smash 4 is better than melee, and you bring up the Melee> brawl +Smash 4 flame war. He didn't even mention brawl! Just think before you start typing next time -_-
Watch carefully, his shield is out for one frame, then he jumps out. The match also seems to be 30fps despite UA-cam saying it's 60FPS which makes it harder to see. (guessing the camera is 60fps or something).
Rookie smash player question: Are smash or fgc streams sped up? I know all about the tech skill and how it makes your character go faster with wave-lands, wave dash dash dance etc, but it just looks slightly faster
Dear VGBootCamp, Why did you stop recording the audio of the audience? I already noticed at the Smash@Pax Videos because M2Ks literal destruction of Leffen did not seem as if there would be any hype, contrary to the actual reactions of the crowd mentioned by the commentators. You especially notice that when M2K chaingrabs on FD and there are no AAYYYs :'( Also I wanted to hear the crowd clap to the N64 Dreamland Theme in another which was also not included. If you include commentary, please regard that the crowds reaction is an equally important "commentatory"
can some explain to me what the lingo of smash is (for example, tilt, smash, etc...) I'm kinda new to smash and want to get into it competitively so I need to know how to understand the Combos online, thanks if you reply.
Down tilt up tilt toward tilt is you tilting in said directions and pressing A. Fair Is foward air, Dair, down air, Nair neutral air. A dash dance is dashing in place more or less. Chain grabs are links of throws that are basically guaranteed if done right. Um I can't think of anything else that isn't character specific other than Lcancels wavedashes and techs
+Tall Guy I'm thinking that the image in inverse, because both of their controllers are fine in between games. If that were a thing, that'd be awesome!
I believe M2K took Mango to a last stock, at 2-2 in games, Grand Finals, last time they met as well. Wouldn't be surprised if M2K could seal the deal this year next time they meet.
I like analyzing old matches. Mango played exceptional, like he was always one move ahead. Edit: actually, they both played good, mango got lucky m2k got a bad start
I play Smash 4 because playing with other scrubs is interesting there, but I think Melee overall is just competitively more viable. I'll probably move to it if I can pick up a copy of Melee (le game broke) and a CRT. _Also, my local Smash 4 scene either doesn't like Melee or is neutral with it (we have ONE Melee Singles bracket, vs. 4-5 Sm4sh Singles + Doubles brackets) wat do?_
+fer stadthagen You can't counter pick to the LAST stage you won on, not any stage you won on. He also could have gone to FoD, which I consider better than stadium
I've never understood how the losers look so depressed, I get that being 2nd place is much worse than 1st, but still, he has had hundreds of people screaming his name for hours and Mang0 is a cool guy
I don't know that I've ever seen Jason with so much beard. Damn. Well done, M2K. Well done. I was hoping so desperately that you would start to believe in yourself. You'll get him someday, Jason. I believe in you. Best wishes from Michigan. :)
Even though mew2king and mango play a lot and both of them lose to each other most of the time. You can see that both players respect each other. Congrats to Mango and congrats to Mew2king!
The overtime comparison in the video made me think, what if there were infinite bracket resets in melee? Like if the bracket resets, you have to win 2 sets in a row? It would be like infinite deuces in tennis or quadruple overtimes in ice hockey (seriously its amazing sometimes how many overtimes there are in playoffs). Talk about epic, that would be amazing. But of course nobody has that much time lol
M2K, you broke my heart. ;-; I was screaming up to the point when you lost, then I just kinda fell over. You were sooooo close. I know you'll get it next time, but ;-;
Mew2King you are very awesome at mewtwo, marth, roy & sheik! Also u are a pro at donkey kong, diddy kong, mario, & sheik??? Are you going to play as mewtwo, marth and fox in super smash bros 4 soon? because I am a VGBootCamp fan from UK and I would love to see u do the very original "ken combo' with marth which is 2 or 3 f-airs and ends with a up special or a down air (the tip of the falchion is the best spot.) and the quick N-air where you are mewtwo and you press the jump button twice slightly before pressing A and a few frames (maximum 35 frames) after that double tap the down direction on the left analog stick very quickly and you should land faster than normal. You have to time these two different marth and mewtwo combos very fast.
+Erik Hernandez That's called a shine grab it's not an accident. The input is just fast enough that you can't really do it on reaction, so he puts it out and because it's so quick it's real hard to punish and if the shine connects you can still normally get into a decent position afterwards for a follow up.
For every time m2k adjusts glasses, there needs to be an edit that gives them the anime reflection effect
LOL
That would be funny.
+Kalificus He adjusts his glasses because he needs to be frame perfect
+Dex Warfield-LaVey I'm dead.
+Kalificus M2K is definitely Inui from Prince of Tennis. M2K is the Prince of Smash LOL
its been such a long time since we got one of these but now I finally remember that m2k v Mang0 grand finals is why I fell in love with Melee in the first place.
+QuagsireCrotchKick Exactly
+QuagsireCrotchKick agreed
Absolutely.
M2K with the motion controls on the first match.
I was using tilt controls!
Mango's most impressive display of tech skill was after the match with that quick fist-bump to handshake transition. Truly the GOAT
aaaw man, m2k. you were so close dude :(
+GameboyLuke he was and even though he didn't win it's good to see him back
hey cool you are watching melee nice :D
+GameboyLuke Ayyyyyye wud up Luke :)
GameboyLuke??? What a pleasant surprise to find awesome poketubers watching these vids too!
+GameboyLuke so awesome to think you watch melee!!!! I love your vids dude
Lol, I love 14:15. M2K is genuinely trying to see under the stage as if the game were really 3D.
M2k and mango matches are the best cause its either really close or won just wrecks the other
+Toxic Spore or won just wrecks the other.... "won"
Dolpgin yo man.....no "one" likes a grammar nazi
Toxic Spore lel no.
+Toxic Spore That's typically how all matches go.
+Toxic Spore Is there any other way? lol
M2K had me dying lmaooo 0:06 - 0:13.
LOL M2K
+King Pops lol m2k part 3???
+Michael D. "THE MOTION!"
Lmao
I think he said "the emotion"
Nairo and m2k pull some sick nasty shit when they push up their glasses.
+Gustavo Nicasio Don't forget Armada.
One fun fact about every best smash player. They all wear glasses.
+Peanut Butter Pikachu No.
Dammit, double comment.
+Peanut Butter Pikachu I dont know man, Mango & Leffen dont wear glasses ;)
frame perfect glasses adjustment
I was rooting for M2K all the way but Mango definitely deserved the win. However, I am so pissed that m2k did not just grab ledge at @16:24 so I could of seen another set of this.
I know when i was watching the stream I screamed grab the ledge m2k please.
Looking like S2J
+John Smith I just feel hanging on edge would put M2K in a way more dominate position where he could simply wait for Mango to side B so he could give a well timed back air. I understand there Mango had a few different options there, but at that level of play and for someone like M2K that scenario seemed like a rather basic edge guard, ESPECIALLY against a character like falco.
I want to see Armada vs M2K again. It's been long.
+ZerefX < I agree. This or mang0 vs Armada has to happen at TBH5. Preferably all at a good portion of their abilities.
+TheyCallMeArjun I doubt Armada will ever go Fox vs m2k. He has dominated him in the past with peach. M2k can death touch spacies but not floaties. M2k hates peach and all of those mental and historical factors lead me to believe that untill m2k figures out the floaty matchups with one of his chars , Armada will play him as peach.
+ZerefX armada is currently the best it seems.
ElDrHouse2010
If he gets out of his slump vs mango and leffen sure.
Engin Seker
With Fox he always does. He won EVO clean and fairly.
Wow , did I just walk up slowly and first view ?
16:28 just grab the damn ledge my dude.
He had it :(
QwQ
this was so intense. I'm glad to see m2k's comeback in melee. both these players played fantastic, m2k was on a roll and really deserved a win, but damn, mangos Falco was so damn crisp. he just nailed every input.
I'm a smash 4 player, but I love me some high quality melee matches!
+Kyse Hamdallah Dude shut up. I agree Melee is the best, but enough of this hate bullshit.
+Kyse Hamdallah nice one man, you really showed him
Dude, if you don't want people yelling at you, then don't start arguments that no one has even come close to bringing up. The first guy only mentioned smash 4, not even a claim that smash 4 is better than melee, and you bring up the Melee> brawl +Smash 4 flame war. He didn't even mention brawl! Just think before you start typing next time -_-
+Swagilyph smash 4 sucks
+BlueLT7 balls
8:35 - 8:55
2 clean stocks in 20 seconds damn
15:22 How did he reflect that laser? His shield never even shows.
m2k is probably the best at powershielding in the world. he's nuts
Watch carefully, his shield is out for one frame, then he jumps out. The match also seems to be 30fps despite UA-cam saying it's 60FPS which makes it harder to see. (guessing the camera is 60fps or something).
I'm glad commentating has come a long way. More improvement in production than the players could dream of
12:43 Is that ken above the guy in the red shirt? (Guessing red shirt is macd)
How did m2k power shield that laser at 15:22? It reflected off the opposite side...
are the cameras mirrored or something? it looks like their joysticks on the controllers are being used by their right hands.
Damn, this was one of the hypest sets I've seen in a while! Amazing play by both Mango and Mew2king.
Damn after that last fsmash m2k had like 5 seconds to just grab the ledge and he would've reset the bracket
+marshall brooks i know, that fucking killed me that M2K of all people in the world missed that
Yeah, but also it's not so obvious if you know how mang0 plays, he usually goes up B, I'm sure m2k was expecting it, but not this time dude.
Up B wouldn't have reached on stage anyways
+Ville Vallo Idk what mind games were going on, but the last two games, M2K never went for a ledge grab.
I think m2k rather would still have stage control amd didnt want to risk it
Rookie smash player question: Are smash or fgc streams sped up? I know all about the tech skill and how it makes your character go faster with wave-lands, wave dash dash dance etc, but it just looks slightly faster
Mango winning with Falco gives me confidence as a Falco Main.
In melee, dude falcon is amazing, but in smash 4 hes nothing
+Squid Sisters Are Top Waifu FALCO
+Squid Sisters Are Top Waifu stfu falco is underrated in sm4sh
+LuMiSaDi Falco and Fox are the best characters in the game, yo.
+Squid Sisters Are Top Waifu I made it out of pools in smash 4 at Evo using Falco and I'd only been using him for a month. Definitely underrated
Very first time I ever so melee,and how awesome it was.
You can see the m2k Heart break that last game loss....I know how he feels bro on those type of games..."If I just did this, I would have won"
I don't get why no ledge grab at 16:30
M2K, we love you. Idc if you lost, you were last hit away from a reset. You are our king.
Dear VGBootCamp,
Why did you stop recording the audio of the audience? I already noticed at the Smash@Pax Videos because M2Ks literal destruction of Leffen did not seem as if there would be any hype, contrary to the actual reactions of the crowd mentioned by the commentators. You especially notice that when M2K chaingrabs on FD and there are no AAYYYs :'( Also I wanted to hear the crowd clap to the N64 Dreamland Theme in another which was also not included. If you include commentary, please regard that the crowds reaction is an equally important "commentatory"
can some explain to me what the lingo of smash is (for example, tilt, smash, etc...) I'm kinda new to smash and want to get into it competitively so I need to know how to understand the Combos online, thanks if you reply.
someone*
Down tilt up tilt toward tilt is you tilting in said directions and pressing A. Fair Is foward air, Dair, down air, Nair neutral air. A dash dance is dashing in place more or less. Chain grabs are links of throws that are basically guaranteed if done right. Um I can't think of anything else that isn't character specific other than Lcancels wavedashes and techs
Darry Chills thank you, and what direction is a tilt in? ⬆⬇⬅➡?
That was some of the clutchest Mango I've seen in a while.
Is M2k playing at Big House?
am I blind or are they useing left hand gamecube controllers?isnt the stick on the left side of the controller, with the C stick on the right side O_O
+Tall Guy I'm thinking that the image in inverse, because both of their controllers are fine in between games. If that were a thing, that'd be awesome!
I believe M2K took Mango to a last stock, at 2-2 in games, Grand Finals, last time they met as well. Wouldn't be surprised if M2K could seal the deal this year next time they meet.
Amazing set. 4 different winners from the last 4 majors + PPMD lurking in the back, TBH5 has every god prepared.
I like analyzing old matches. Mango played exceptional, like he was always one move ahead.
Edit: actually, they both played good, mango got lucky m2k got a bad start
Melee looking HD??
Where is the nesquik?
Im glad m2k is atleast proving he can come back from his small hiatus and still take 2nd
I play Smash 4 because playing with other scrubs is interesting there, but I think Melee overall is just competitively more viable. I'll probably move to it if I can pick up a copy of Melee (le game broke) and a CRT.
_Also, my local Smash 4 scene either doesn't like Melee or is neutral with it (we have ONE Melee Singles bracket, vs. 4-5 Sm4sh Singles + Doubles brackets) wat do?_
That handshake was weird but surprisingly not awkward.
M2K is like jin and Mang0 is like Mugen
It's funny because the crowd will cheer for either side more likely than not. They are so emotional to ANY great play by EITHER person
this is the first that i have ever seen m2k get this into a match
Omg once m2k finishes working off the rust his play is going to b disgusting. I havent seen mang0 get bodied on dreamland like that in a while
Yeah, m2k isn't even playing that much nowadays lol
No johns pls
I'm pretty sure Zelda being Sheik falls under "It was his sled" at this point.
That was the best melee match i saw on 2015.
+Captain Falcon damn you are good looking
Why thank you
why no d-tilt? =/
0:40
What the fuck I can't even bring my fucking hand to my fucking shoulder how the fuck does he do that, his tech skill is fucking insane
He literally readjusted his glasses in between a needlestorm grab and bthrow. I had to watch it at 0.25x speed - that's how fast it was.
Why didn't m2k CP to FD game 5?
Pokemon Stadium is still a positive matchup for Marth against the spacies. It's almost like fd.
+Owain FireEmblem I think you can't repeat stages, he used his fd as a counterpick once and that's it
+Teufelgeist you can only go back to it if you lose on that stage. You can't counterpick a stage in which you have already won
+fer stadthagen You can't counter pick to the LAST stage you won on, not any stage you won on. He also could have gone to FoD, which I consider better than stadium
+Owain FireEmblem You're thinking of modified DSR, I believe this is just Normal DSR.
amazing commentary the last five video it adds to the video which is more that can be said about some
I've never understood how the losers look so depressed, I get that being 2nd place is much worse than 1st, but still, he has had hundreds of people screaming his name for hours and Mang0 is a cool guy
If you're not first, you're last.
Mew2King, you were one ledge grab away from a reset. You have to be feeling pretty good about that.
I don't know that I've ever seen Jason with so much beard. Damn. Well done, M2K. Well done. I was hoping so desperately that you would start to believe in yourself. You'll get him someday, Jason. I believe in you. Best wishes from Michigan. :)
All I wanted was an SD-free Grand Finals. Alas, Smash gods took it away
Am I the only one who noticed that mango has fox and Falco for tattoos?
You know you play too much smash 4 when you see Marth wearing black in melee and your first thought is "Dark Pit doesn't have a sword....oh wait" XD
Mango clearly had the advantage most of this set, but props to M2K. He's still the king, and he's just waiting to take back his throne.
We needed the old school HMW to commentate this
seeing this live was much less disappointing.
I thought mango was in jail? hehehe
+Rum shut up
+Rum well idk about that but leffen is in jail for murder
+Iron Gajeel Is that true?
no but we all know that he murdered *my b*
Lmao in game 3 after 6:54 on the timer m2k takes all of mango's stocks in a minute, also the last 3 of those stocks went in like 30 seconds
That was so M2K's win, if he didnt fuck his recovery at 15:42 he would have had it
Is it just me who notices M2K in the top 5 currently for every smash except 64?
Does anyone know Mango's snapchat?
I think M2K looks like Quentin Tarantino
The first 15 seconds of this set are hilarious
"I'll be back"
-Mango(Smash Con)
Wins Paragon Los Angeles 2015.
..while Leffen gets 4 stocked by Mew2King.
0:27 M2K just invented a new tech
Even though mew2king and mango play a lot and both of them lose to each other most of the time. You can see that both players respect each other. Congrats to Mango and congrats to Mew2king!
New Idea: Mew2King Drinking game. Every time m2k adjusts his glasses. Take a shot.
THAT HANDSHAKE LMAO
These cut-offs of the commentary at the end are always so awkward lol
The overtime comparison in the video made me think, what if there were infinite bracket resets in melee? Like if the bracket resets, you have to win 2 sets in a row? It would be like infinite deuces in tennis or quadruple overtimes in ice hockey (seriously its amazing sometimes how many overtimes there are in playoffs). Talk about epic, that would be amazing. But of course nobody has that much time lol
"How do you even?" answer: "I don't even."
I'm not that good at melee, so does falco beat Marth on FD?
+Bret W It is very debatable. Some would say it is in marth's favor whereas other's would say falco.
Depends on the player.
I can't imagine the m2k pop off if he won this tournament LOOL
How much do these guys earn from smash? Is it something they can live off? Seems like these guys just live for smash
This was insanely close.
Falco won a tourney?!
I think its weird how I think I'd like M2K with a beard, and Mango without one.
I don't even understand why.
M2K, you broke my heart. ;-; I was screaming up to the point when you lost, then I just kinda fell over. You were sooooo close. I know you'll get it next time, but ;-;
That last match had my stomach going. That shit almost gave me diarrhea. What a fucking fight!
Remember how M2K used to always say Falco is #1 in the game? I've always believed him. I still do.
Mew2King you are very awesome at mewtwo, marth, roy & sheik! Also u are a pro at donkey kong, diddy kong, mario, & sheik??? Are you going to play as mewtwo, marth and fox in super smash bros 4 soon? because I am a VGBootCamp fan from UK and I would love to see u do the very original "ken combo' with marth which is 2 or 3 f-airs and ends with a up special or a down air (the tip of the falchion is the best spot.) and the quick N-air where you are mewtwo and you press the jump button twice slightly before pressing A and a few frames (maximum 35 frames) after that double tap the down direction on the left analog stick very quickly and you should land faster than normal. You have to time these two different marth and mewtwo combos very fast.
+schindlerteejay94 Nice shitpost 8/10
+Marcus Clough just to let you know this is an anti-bad lanuage post here. :o
+Jnan Mckenzie I see what you mean now and by s**t posting it means trending posts and anyway super mario maker is out for the wii u now!
paul mccartney?
Didnt m2k do that huge set thing against mango and demolish him
gorgeous set, wish the reset would have happened but eh, tournament nerves effect even the best of us
Welcome back, Mango!
LONG LIVE THE KING!
Happy to see Mango win, sad to see M2K lose.
Great set. Congratz to Mango. That was clutch at the last match.
anyone want to just take a moment to watch mangos hands while he plays?
m2k had game 5....just needed to grab that ledge...damn
seeing how mango also acidently shine cancels into a jc grab, does anyone else also do that?
+Erik Hernandez That's called a shine grab it's not an accident. The input is just fast enough that you can't really do it on reaction, so he puts it out and because it's so quick it's real hard to punish and if the shine connects you can still normally get into a decent position afterwards for a follow up.
TheArmouredGoose oh thanks thats cool to know
I always feel like leffen is underrated because every fight i have seen he destroys the "Five gods" of melee going 3-1 all the time. /:
If m2k didn't SD so much and didn't miss as many edgeguards he would have won the tournament.
+BrickNGames Same thing can be said for Mango, or like the whole top 6. He did sd and did miss edgeguards so he lost
+BrickNGames For some reason a lot of the Melee gods are losing their tech skill slowly.
+Moosy Doosy Time is not kind to tech skill.
+BrickNGames If m2k didn't fix his glasses so much he would have won the tournament.
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooI