Vanished: The Missing Surrey Schoolgirl (Unsolved Case Documentary) | Real Stories Original
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- 23 years ago a Surrey schoolgirl vanished. She left for school in the morning, never got there, was spotted that evening in local beauty spot Box Hill, then disappeared off the face of the earth... Two decades later, an ex-counter-terrorist cop living in the nearby town felt that something just didn’t quite add up and started to investigate. He contacted the journalist who originally covered the story to share his suspicions and the case was reignited, bringing new facts and new witnesses to light.
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I would CRAWL around the whole EARTH to find MY child.
Sandra Myers snap my daughter was late home from school the other day. I went everywhere she might have been flew down to the school utterly terrified. Thankfully she had stayed behind to support a friend who was struggling with something. Most terrified half an hour of my life. I wouldnt have stopped. Not for a second. Knowing my child might be hurt, afraid or in need of help. Shocking!
It's been two and a half decades though. At some point I can see why they would feel they have to just accept she is gone forever and move on with their lives. I can't imagine the stress something like this would cause 24/7 and to live with that for decades would pretty much destroy your life. Sooner or later we all have to move on.
Until the ends of the earth, until I had my last breath, I would never, ever give up. Ever.
Sandra Myers 0 00
OMG I would have been terrified too, thank God she was safe
Mother commits sucide, not long after there's a new woman on the scene. Daughter sends flowers to stepmother before disappearing and the family don't seem at all bothered??? Something's off 🤔
I don't care how polite a teenager is, they don't send flowers to their stepmother. This seems like a ploy by the father to make it look like the daughter was still alive to be able to send flowers.
@@LisaMaryification I never once considered that....how awful.
What r u on about??? What's this got to do with THIS RUTH case
This 'new woman' / stepmother could have been hovering in the wings for ages before the biological mother's demise.
@@bernierose719 I just read the Chris Watts story and I can't fathom how a father can smother his own children to death. I believe that's what FBI profilers call "family annihilator"!
No father would shrug his shoulders and not want to pursue this case. I think he may have been abusive and the Mother threatened to leave or go to the police. Her "suicide" of falling down the stairs seems highly suspicious. The missing girl either successfully ran away, committed suicide herself, or was killed by the father. The father is at the center of it all.
Krista Roman yes, you just named 3 of 4 possible ways people disappear. Good for you. You are as close to solving it as anyone else.
Krista Roman thanks for the spoiler, on to a new video now..!
Krista Roman I was gonna post the exact same thing, I thinks there’s a high probability the father did something to her. The suspicious mothers suicide “fall down the stairs”, the daughter hating to go home, the fathers lack of interest in said daughter. When you put it all together it leads to a good chance it’s a familial murder.
GaLe FoRcE There is no spoiler. My comment was a theory. And anyone who reads comments before watching a video is asking for it.
n. p. I wasn't asking for a medal nor did I claim to know anything. My point was the father was likely a suspect. You should try being kind.
One of the saddest things I've ever seen. I hope Ruth has found peace, wherever she is.
I had a cat go missing 20 years ago & would still want to know what happened to him. How can parents not want to help further the investigation of a child.. They know something!
Donna Roberts I guess they did not want to live the rest of their life consumed by this. Police should have tried harder
i cat can live more than 15years in its life btw
I think, though most families never give up hope, some just learn to accept that their loved one is gone and they are never going to come back? X
I still look in cat shelters 5 years later
@Jennifer Davis
How did you lose two children, if I may ask?
That retired officer seems like a cool dude. His apartment is amazing and he looks so dapper.
Cassandra is that you ?
cas4040
I like his passion to find someone who has been missing for so long
Has he only got one shirt?
and his girlfriend is hot
My goodness me. If it were my child, I would be so grateful for anybody wanting to help and I would NEVER EVER GIVE UP ON SEARCHING FOR MY CHILD
nitay nunez Yes, because you are so much better than her parents. You can spend everyday looking for someone, but for 20 years!
Abigail she didn’t say that she was better than them, The fact that they want NOTHING to do with this sure is odd I’m not saying they did something but maybe they know, people mourn in different ways but to not want anything to do with it and not help with anything isn’t normal
@@ashleyb2968 ehhhhh theydidsomething...
I was doing my work experience with the company who made this back in November, and the guy who made it told me to look out for it. Fantastic to see the final product!
hey! youre tone deaf!
Did you work so closely that you would've noticed if things were left out? I'd love to hear if they knew or suspected more but left it out due to time constraints?
Fantastic it’s my third time watching . Outside the fact we don’t know what happened Ruth I feel like I don’t want it to end so soon and that there is so much more🤷♀️
If one of my daughters were missing,I would never stop looking,ever.
I applaud these two men for continuing to take great interest in this mysterious case! I agree, that secrecy, especially within a family can tear apart the foundations of trust! I hope this gets resolved!
Liam and his wife (?) look like they stepped out of a book! I love their clothes
AlaskaTheNerd hi!
AlaskaTheNerd fr ❤️
The fact that two of her friends belive Ruth had intended to disappear that day, maybe just maybe Ruth is still alive but has put her past behind her and doesn’t want to be found. If her childhood was as bad as it’s being reported then I can fully understand why she would want to walk away and not look back. The taxi driver said she stood at that gate in box hill as if she was either going to go into that area or she was waiting for someone to pick her up, I belive she was waiting for someone and didn’t want the taxi driver to see him/her. I do not belive her father was telling the truth regarding her childhood, I belive her friends in saying she had a really sad / bad childhood. I hope Ruth is still alive & happy in her new life.
Retired police officer Liam is quit the snappy dresser 😁
timothy daedelus no😕. I just think he style of dress is cool.
Every girl's crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man.
Ohhh...that's why my wife buys most of my clothes.
He reminds me of the great train robbery criminal Ronnie Biggs. Maybe he inspired him at the Yard lol! The tied back greying hair is exactly the style of the fugitive who eventually handed himself in an old man remember!
SONIC FOXX MUSIC very smart.😎😎
I should imagine he started dressing like that when he got the cool girlfriend (I bet she's a painter or something like that).
I think this is a classic case of uncomfortable questions NEED to be asked !
This site is so underrated. Quality docs with a variety of interesting topics. Thank you!
When Ruth disappeared on Box Hill did the Police search there? With sniffer dogs?
We won't know as the police files are not open to find out.
They should try and get the producers of the Unsolved Mysteries reboot on Netflix to do an episode on this, one of the best ways to get information about a cold case out there these days. One of those cases that has really struck a chord with me, I'm from the US and whenever I hear or read anything about Surrey or Box Hill I think of Ruth and her disappearance.
If they did more than one mystery per episode it would be perfect. I think some network should do a weekly unsolved mysteries like this and have viewers solve crimes
and forensic files II :)
I can't get over how Ruth's family seem to have moved on and are not interested in finding out what happened to their daughter. What strange people they must be!
The response from the parents, finding out that Ruth had just discovered that her family had lied to her, that her mother had committed suicide, sounds BLAMING of Ruth. Like she had an obligation, a responsibility to talk to her family about what?? Her family lying to her??? 🤦🏽♀️ If this is how they treated her, obligated to them and their expectations and yet loose, if not void to have any of themselves to her, I wouldn’t want to stay there, either. Children & teens are constantly under so much pressure to adhere to expectations they do not understand. They’re growing and learning beings... they’re inside a process of developing and yet, so often, people treat them as though they should just know better, that their mistakes or their not following expectations, especially those unexplained, those that have not had communication and explanation and a chance for them to question & be heard, as though they’re defective adults. They’re not. They’re not defective and they’re not adults and they’re certainly not defective adults. They’re not defective children, either. But, I don’t think most people understand these things and so much more that they should, when it comes to the responsibility and real expectations of having a child. I think most people probably follow societal ideals and never question or get curious to anything outside of that. They’re certainly not taught.
She definitely would GET COUNSELING supports etc in schools now ....and help re safety at home ....
@@annegribben444Not definitely at all. Lots of kids fall through the cracks.
It sounds like the parents are covering up something about the girl's homelife that contributed to her decision to leave and meet an untimely fate. She could have wanted to commit suicide, if she'd arranged to meet an unknown person who she believed offered her a chance of escape she might have disclosed this to her closest friends but clearly didn't a possible indicator that there wasn't another person involved, though can't be entirely ruled out. Sounds like the Surrey police failed to take the case seriously, treating it as a runaway and not a crime. In the days before mobile phones it still was possible to be in contact with strangers but it would be via landline, home phone or phone booth, did police check calls to and from her parents home phone? Maybe not? Or it could be she was meeting someone from the local area, though it is strange she gave no inkling to her closest friends. I presume police would have interviewed library staff or visitors to see if she'd been meeting someone there, but maybe they didn't, and is part of the reason they're worried over their handling of the case. It doesn't mean She was of course just they failed this line of enquiry. She may have had a prearranged meeting with someone either through desperation or naivety and didn't consider the risks, and this person ended up doing her harm. The suicide theory sounds plausible, it's a well trod beauty spot, I've been there myself, but remains have never been uncovered, however there have been cases of bodies lying in well visited areas out of town, visited by sightseers and dog walkers etc that weren't discovered for years. The flowers to her step mother who it seems she didn't get on with does intimate a funerary connection. The other slight possibility is she ended up being a victim of a random opportunist killer who discovers a young girl alone in the countryside and struck, though unlikely similar has happened in which case it was she was in the wrong place , wrong time, and with a disturbed frame of mind. It's almost beyond reason that she's still alive and likely she took her own life or fell victim to someone on the day or sometime after. Hopefully the truth of her fate will come out.
How not to feel sorry for Ruth?
Anyway, thank you for putting this up.
Really interesting story and well made doc.
How her father can be so cold and how can he even sleep at night? He probably didn't care much about her even when she was alive. No wonder why she wanted to run away from that selfish and digusting man.
If I was the parent of a missing child and someone genuine was looking into it you wouldn’t get me to stop talking to them
I dont understand why and how does her family not want to keep pursuing her whereabouts? Her mom fell down the stairs or did the dad push her? Now the mom committed suicide? I really would ltake a closer look at the father.
My thoughts exactly.Maybe the Stepmother knew the truth, maybe she told this young girl the truth! Maybe that is why she sent flowers to her when she left?
You don't think they did that? The way everyone in the comments section is speaking, you'd think the detectives don't know how to do their job.
23:10 Her mother hanged herself. The stairs story is just something they told Ruth to hide the suicide from her.
yeah you are right i will copy your comment and post it again . i like the way you think
@@Jst4fun817 yes if they lied about that what else did they lie about?
Not even a scintilla of interest in resolving his daughter's disappearance - only an annoyance & distancing attitude at what may be revealed if he cooperated.
10 minutes in and the same thing has been said repeatedly.
Anastasia Wilson I noticed that to....... a boring start.
This story could be summarized in 10 minutes.
Most stories could be summarised in 10 mins but it is meant for the entertainment value
I think this is more about two old has beens trying to make a name for themselves.
armpitfuzz it's about a missing child who was dismissed without proper investigation. A total disgrace
Very well assembled documentary. Keeps you hanging, and feeds details as they come to light. Quite apart from the girl's disappearance, all kinds of surrounding mysteries as well, as noted by others posting here. What seems startling is how little psychological insight is provided. If you go to the trouble to send flowers to your step-mother, which suggests a lot of anger, one might imagine you would also want to stage your death, though perhaps not. One element that is never addressed is how runaways--feeling fragile and upset and willing to turn anywhere--are among the most likely victims by predators who know they are alone and not thinking clearly. She may have decided to run away, as suggested by a suitcase, and found someone who said they'd be willing to "help" her. Boyfriend's initial remarks seem pretty frozen. Parents only speak up when their own reputations are questioned. No discussion about people's alibis either.
All great points!
I'm wondering about the taxi driver.
He was the last to see her ...
I believe if a murder goes unsolved for a long time in most cases the person responsible is quite close to the victim
The step families lack of interest alarms me. They only got in touch to clear there own name not to help or give any information towards that. Were her friends not taken seriously then as they 're now. She has clearly been murdered or has taken her own life. I don't believe she is missing. Sad but true.
Exactly, they're sinister.
@@TaxingIsThieving agree somethings off.
If my child vanished I would do anything to find them regardless of whether or not her and I were getting along. You cannot tell me that the father’s behaviour towards the case is not suspicious.
It's very suspicious.
I love these videos. I watch them in the day, at night, all of the time. They’re really interesting to watch.
I watch them all day and every day.
me too... I am addicted
No jobs then
jodie hull
Nope. Still in school.
Alive but many thousands of miles from where she lived as a child.
I love the views in Surrey...It's stunning there..I lived there for sometime..
God forbids if my child ever goes missing!! Nothing and I mean nothing can stop me from finding him ..... till I die.... these parents aren’t normal !! Something fishy
So well written and Ruth had 2 people who cared about her short life I think that in some way she knows that and can't thank you two enough 😢
You should read the book My Sister Milly. Very similar to this story from England. It’s so precious story. Discussing press harm too and how they interfere and harm the family. It’s a really powerful memoir
This is very wrong, I don’t believe Ruth has left the village, I would look seriously at the father, you no Ruth was very unhappy and this has been witnessed by Ruth friends mother, if I was investigating this case, I would have it reopened and start by interviewing the Dad,
Any investigation should start from the inside out, definitely at Ruth’s home.
1. Ruth’s mum so called committed suicide ? did Ruth’s mum commit suicide or was she murdered by the dad ? And Ruth found this out the police also did not no how Ruth’s mum died, I believe this was kept from police, so it didn’t raise suspicion. And bring attention to the dad.
2. Ruth’s fear of going home should make the police reinvestigate further,
3 what was Ruth scared off ? Was she being abused, ? Did she find out to much,
4 did she find out the truth about her mum? And threaten the dad to report him ?
5 did the father silence her ? He’s connected to the late mother of Ruth and Ruth who is missing, this alone is alarming that 2 people closest to him are no longer around ! Hmmmmmm
6 did the police search the grounds of the church where the father works ?
7 I believe Ruth is dead and she is buried in the village somewhere, and her father knows
8. They say ignorance is bliss, who would be ignorant in such a time when your daughters missing ? Surly the police find this suspicious ? I would be calling them everyday if my child was missing, there refusal to communicate in any way, would make me want to investigate the family and all there sordid secrets, for Ruth if no one else !
Keep up the good work, and keep up the pressure, hopefully someone will start to look into the family, I’m 100% sure this is where all your answers will be,
Good luck, and God bless you all, and Ruth x
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The stories always the same when it comes to disappearances . They always either are drunk or on drugs(never did them before) , depressed & suicidal, cameras stop working,with friends but the friend left by themselves usually really messed up,have suspects but never questioned,get kicked out of a bar no one knows why , nobody ever hears or sees anything, cameras are never working/accidentally deleted/don't reach a certain angle,hated life ran away,... The list goes on and I can call them all out it always turns out to be the same stories ! BUT ONE THING FOR SURE IT'S ALWAYS SLOPPY LAZY DETECTIVE WORK !! ESPECIALLY OLD CASES! This case is the perfect Example : she was 16 was leaving for school never made it she never went home , was a happy child !!! Detectives: she was very unhappy at home she must of ran away with no money , no means to do so, nowhere to go sorry next !
Think suicide is by far the most likely scenario in this case. Quite plausible that she didn't even want her body to be found and found an appropriate spot. Having said that, were sniffer dogs ever used and the area searched?
I also think there's a slim possibility that she disappeared and is alive and well somewhere.
Tom Graham ..... Would a naive 16 year old have the ability to plan her own suicide and ensure her corpse would never be found? I'm not sure, and as you ask, were sniffer dogs ever used in and around Box Hill? It's an interesting case which brings out the Hercule Porrot in us.
JohnPaul Dixon I read somewhere that searches were done and that notes were found, along with a bottle of alcohol and paracetamol. Perhaps the Police know more than they will tell us for one reason or another.
The area is also regularly used by walkers and was apparently used in the Olympics in 2012, so it's slightly odd a body has never been found but how well they can search an area like that, and how thorough were the searches, I don't know.
The compelling factors to me are that she ordered flowers, which seems to me quite a final act, and the fact she'd been going up to Box Hill after school quite regularly. People have speculated to meet a secret lover, but why go all the way up there? I find that unlikely. How easy was it to meet a secret lover in a small community before the internet and mobile phones? Her friends seem to know nothing of the existence of another person. She also disappeared in wet and cold November. This all therefore lends to the theory that she was planning to take her own life up there. Perhaps she didn't choose that spot in the end, and moved on to another area, hence not being found. We know she was at Dorking Station earlier in the day. Why there? She'd clearly moved about a bit that day.
The other factor is her friend's testimony that she thinks Ruth planned to take her own life. She seemed to know Ruth quite well.
I don't place too much emphasis on the taxi driver reporting she waited around after he dropped her off. That might be his memory unintentionally distorting with hindsight, or she simply hesitated, or wanted him to clear off before she moved off.
I imagine the police will simply continue to not disclose any information because they class this as an ongoing case though it does strike me as odd that after so long if they had any details which could jog someone's memory or prompt someone to come forward that they haven't done so. If Ruth did kill herself in a very secluded spot, perhaps a location not widely known, then it wouldn't take too long for the wildlife to dispose of her remains particularly if the body was well hidden. Part of me wishes I hadn't viewed this video because it'll have me going over and over it,lol. Particularly because contributers such as yourself have added some well reasoned hypothesis.
JohnPaul Dixon I've also since read claims that the area wasn't thoroughly searched...so that's possibly relevant as well.
I just think the disappearance has the hallmarks, very sadly, of someone so unhappy who decided to take their own life.
I know from a bit of experience that when someone takes their own life there are many unanswered questions left about their movements, things they said and did in the last few weeks, and it can be quite hard to make sense of it all. Quite often people will have improved in mood and appear quite calm and well, and have even made plans for the coming weeks.
But if any of us disappeared without notice there'd be all sorts of theories about why and how, all our movements/words/hints/facial expressions leading up to our departure analysed over and over, some embellished, and I'm sure most of them would be well wide of the mark. It often will seem suspicious if a person disappears completely out of the blue but I think the indicators here most strongly support the theory she took her own life.
Tom Graham I know the Box Hill area quite well and it would be very difficult to commit suicide where no one would find the body, the area is not vast and is visited daily by many people.
Someone could have helped her though that would be plausible.
Martin and Liam seem utterly uncomprehending about the family’s grief. Even in the first interview with the “boyfriend”, Martin interprets his attitude as essentially uncaring, where in fact he says he’s tried to shut out the loss of Ruth.
In a perfect world, she is thriving living her best life somewhere in this world. Sadly, something went wrong and she is there still awaiting discovery 😪🙏
Maybe she's the actress Ruth Wilson who looks awfully similar and was born in the same area?
When I was a teenager a kid who's father worked with my father disappeared from his bed one night and was never seen again.
Eric Taylor how is she????#
Aw! That's sad!
He was featured on Americas most wanted, or a show like it.
Eric Taylor what’s his name? I wanna look into it
I actually don't remember. I was late 80's in Fairfield, Ca. I think it was 86 or 87. I could ask my dad. He might remember.
Contrast Ruth’s tragic case with that of Phoebe Handsjuk. She was a 24 year old girl who died, and her family members are ripping themselves to shreds to find out what happened to her.
Well done to these people who do care about what happened to poor Ruth Wilson!
Why would the family not help in finding her?!😡#justiceforRuth
Missing 411 . David Paulides
CanAm . David has investigated missing people from many cases
I know someone whose only son disappeared suddenly, she didn't believe it and she searched E V E R Y W H E R E for him .. the hospitals, schools, police stations .. no trace .. it's been years now and she still celebrates his birthday every year since he disappeared (baking cake, decorating and stuff) waiting for him to just walk through the door but he didn't ... she wanted to at least find his body and bury him (where i live they say you have to bury the body because the underground is it's last home) but she didn't ... being missing is harder than being dead or killed cause you can't believe they're gone when you hadn't seen your loved ones in their last moments so your mind keeps telling you they are alive ... i hope the women is better now
*sorry for bad english btw
Personally, and based on additional information I've read about Ruth, its very likely she committed suicide. All the telltale signals. Discovering the nature of her mother's death, disappearing only 14 days before the anniversary of her mother's death, obviously detesting the circumstances surrounding her father and his new wife, arranging flowers to be sent to her step-mother after her disappearance, and being vocal with friends - yet secretive on details - about wanting to leave her father. I think the pain was too much. After an organized search, police did uncover empty packets of pain medication and half empty bottle of wine, along with farewell notes to her family and friends. Sad. Now why her body has never been discovered, that's another matter. I even wondered if the police actually found her body but kept the matter private to avoid scandal. She was a troubled young girl, who for all intents and purposes was left to immense emotional pain, and without the loving support of her father. Very sad.
If she committed suicide in or near Box Hill, her body would have been found long ago. Every inch of that area is constantly walked virtually every day of the year; and that is apart from the hundreds of regular dog-walkers who also use the area. She would have been found.
Ruth left three letters and pills under a hedge on bexhill. They were farewell letters to her parents, friend and ex bf.
How many other parents like myself…would dig that entire hill up and never stop looking and shouting from the rooftops till the day I die. This case is sketchy.
why do I always have trouble sleeping after watching this yet I watch this
The actress Ruth Wilson looks so similar to this girl. Gosh I solved that quickly. She ran away and became an actress
Luther!
Did anyone ask if Peter Tobin was operating around Surrey in the mid 1990s?
I was waiting for them to mention that...
It's a good thought to think he might had been involved but couldn't be the case. Which is why he wasn't mentioned. Peter Tobin was in jail from May 18th 1994 till 2004. Ruth Wilson disappeared on November 27th 1995.
Sha123ization ... Pretty sure Levi Bellfield was lurking around Surrey in ‘95
I do understand the retired detective (@9:26) but, as he says earlier in the documentary, he’s never lost a child. Most parents of missing children go through years of ‘sightings’ - some of the incredibly horrifying in their implications. There are, for almost all of these missing children, hundreds of sightings over many, many years. And each one raises a glimmer of hope before you have to eventually re-bury that hope once more. After more than two decades a credible lead is unlikely to just arrive. Yes, there might a confession or the daughter might - miraculously - step forward from her alternate life. But foregoing those sorts of events I understand the parents who want to grieve and then end the cycles of anguish. It’s not heartless nor is it uncaring; people need to heal.
Thank goodness for people like the ex cop'.God bless you sir.
She is alive. She was seen on cctv in some store in London, one year after she dissapeared. What else do you need?
She was told her mother's death was an accident, but then discovered it was ruled a suicide? Any chance that Ruth suspected it could actually have been a homicide? What led Ruth to start snooping? Could she have overheard a suspicious conversation between her father and stepmother? Maybe the father doesn't want to talk about Ruth's disappearance because he's afraid it may lead to questions about the death of his first wife. Ruth had run away before and returned home. Any chance she did the same thing this time and confronted her father? Maybe everyone has been looking for Ruth in the wrong place.
I was thing on the same lines.
It's very difficult to fake a suicide by hanging.
@@davidz2562 not really. There are two crime stories of two women who obviously was murdered but was ruled a suicide by hanging. The first one was 8n rural Alabama, or Georgia who was found hung on the mail box. Ruled a suicide by incompetent mysoginistic cops. And the most recent one in San Francisco in the mansion of a Billionaire Ruled a suicide by useless cops. Both cases are closed. The two families are fighting so hard to re open the cases unable to do anything because of the rulings. It is amazing that nowadays with all the technology and advancement of investigative schooling they are still missing the mark
@@alexandraschuster9700 I meant it's very difficult to convincingly fake it. In most cases where it's been faked, it's easy to determine that the person was murdered.
@@davidz2562 hey David, I understand now. I missed the mark on that comment
A girl goes missing in your town and everyone is just stepping right over it and not looking back especially the family. Strange times ten.
Something was happening at home. There is no way my husband would 'want to move on' from one of our children going missing EVER.
Maybe she was ready to speak up
Maybe he was a pervert and didn't he work in a church I think they can get away with
The father remarried a year after the mother's suicide.
Yes creepy.
@@CH-pp2sg He remarried a year after his wife's suicide, so he clearly gets over things & moves on very quickly.
The secrecy surrounding this child's disappearance is disturbing.
Father doesn't want further investigation into his own child's disappearance.
Police refuse to assist.
Red flags.
I know right. It's just plain creepy. I have a theory.
👍
@@laurak9666 what is it ?
ERNEST0 BOLIVAR Are the police looking at the dad I know if it was my child I would turn the world upside down to find her not a stone unturned. My heart goes out to her.
@@laurak9666 what is it ?
I needed to run away from home once. I was very lucky to have a family friend that opened her home to me. Please pay more attention to the children in your lives. If you see the warning signs of someone hurting in silence, please speak up. Children are children and cannot go through things alone.
Dear alex thiele , I'm so happy to know you have such a kind and compassionate family friend who welcomed and cared for you! May God Bless your friend's family and you!
In my experience of teenage girls - having been one myself - they frequently lead double lives: an outward one of popularity, academic success and an apparently happy home life, and an inner one of misery and self-loathing.
@@louisakeen9316 how old r u now ?
And I agree.
When communicating is not open and honest in the home
@louisa keen I certainly did when I was a teenager. Looking back I got myself into so much danger.
From USA here: this happened to me. If not for the wonderful family of my dear friend, I might have ended this life.
Does anyone else find it odd that a wife/mother "commits suicide," then a daughter goes missing, and the husband/father doesn't want it looked into any further?
He doesn’t need to find her because he knows where she is.
Surrey Police and the 'middle-class' Father refuse to participate. I smell some funny handshakes at play.
I smell satanic!!!!
Absolutely, they want it gone and buried.
It is truly sad that sometimes strangers care more about you than your own blood💔
God bless this man, his unique style and his gorgeous fiancé.
@ To Kyo I feel u
who's to say her family didnt care? maybe they didnt want all their business and grief being dredged up again 20 years later to be put on show on some youtube film when its 99 percent chance the daughter is gone for good so its not going to bring back anything but grief. Very unlikely they were going to resolve the case by speaking to the family
I wonder what was going on in her home life that she didn't want to go home? And what secrets are the family keeping.. something is really off.. I wish the mystery gets solved
Abuse probably
The father’s indifference is disturbing, I can’t imagine my husband behaving like this in this situation. As for the Police, their lack of action and their disinterest in this poor girl’s disappearance is peculiar. No one seems to have really cared about her until these two gentlemen came along.
Her parents are fishy. I lost my ex girlfriend. I would do anything anything any given help anything even if a tree spoke to me I would go back to the tree for guidance. The parents refusing help is beyond odd to me.
So sorry about your girlfriend 😔
@@balisandra94 thank you
i am 67 years old. when i was 6 years old i was almost taken by 2 creeps in a car. it happened by random. i saved my life by running away before they could catch me. till this day i have no idea who could done this. i am a male
Brady and Hindley?
What happened from police
@@skinandskeletons949 Thats a good point.
What country are you from? And which type of area?
I was 5. Same thing happened to me, the 2 men were in a beat up VW, in a San Francisco suburb. My grandma saved me. She started beating one of them with a trowel. I’m still haunted. Because of this, I only had one child late in life, and the fear is still very real. Thankfully my teen daughter understands my trauma. She took Krav Maga and carries pepper spray to help make me feel less anxious.
Everyone grieves differently.
But to ‘move on?’ Never.
I’ve always thought Boxhill was eerie, like a force was watching me. I never knew of Ruth Wilson’s case, despite living in the area as a child. It’s one of the strangest cases I’ve ever seen or heard of. Hopefully, there’s closure there for everyone involved one day. She was obviously loved.
Apparently it was sacred to the bronze age people who buried their dead up there . Perhaps there is some ancient energy still there.
@@leeetchells609 I’m sure there is!
Chanctonbury Ring in West Sussex has a similar feel (although less covered in trees) and that was used for the exact same purpose.
As a mother with a daughter of my own, I have a hard time understanding how or why this family didn't jump at the chance of finding out what happened. I would not be able to rest until she was home, be it alive or dead. Also the police were more worried about their police procedure at the time being criticised than helping to find out what happened, maybe they know it was no where near good enough.
shish kebab maybe a back story here that's why police not wanting to help further. Maybe the flowers did have a card or the father some idea daughter considering suicide or going away. Not telling her truth about her mother and maybe failings by socual services etc caused poluce not to investugate too deeply
I also have a daughter, but I know what the media is like. If some random guy called me up and told me he was gonna make a film, I'd tell him to F off. (I'm not as polite as the English.) You don't know that guy. You don't know what his agenda is. Maybe it's to name you as a killer. Or maybe it's "only" to make some profit off your pain. There are very, very few genuinely altruistic people in the world. Most of them judge, just like you did, and one's best bet is to not fuel their fire. Which goes for the police, as well as the family.
@@tracishea5053 very true. And also the family had probably already dealt with a lot of media back then. This was probably one of many requests to talk to reporters in all those years.
@@alimmi9 Indeed. No matter what it is, at some point one has had enough. To watch this is to be convinced. Given the the exploitative slant the filmmakers put on the family, and the investigation, the correct decision was made.
EXACTLY
Wherever you are Ruth, i hope you are happier now ❤️😔
School should have counseling for every student. Especially in high school many kids go through very difficult emotional situations
These two guys finishing each other's sandwiches. I mean sentences.
VinessaGaming ROFL
LOL😂😂
Haha!
Angela Jung ha
LOL
England has such beautiful countryside~
yes and the north of England , Wales and Scotland does too.
oh it's the best in the world
Gina Matheny ...... And this is all you took from this tragedy?
JohnPaul Dixon, everything else has already been said, ad nauseum. Is she supposed to repeat what every other commenter has said? She acknowledges what happened and thought she'd say something new.
L Vega .... well thank you for speaking on behalf of Gina, I'm sure she appreciates it. :-/
So great to see somebody not related to the case wanting to take on research by himself, that's inspiring. Very odd the family didn't contact him back wanting to talk to him? You would think they would take all the help they could get. Frustrating that the police wouldn't let an ex cop who wanted to help them do their own job they clearly couldn't do themselves by giving some information.
Have they looked into the taxi driver? Who is to say that he is not involved.
I agree. Many many times the last person to see the person alive had to do with their death or disappearance.
Maldwyn 27 न
Yes, that would be the first thought of anyone who's watched a lot of crime investigation stories. Happens too often.
@@susanh98110 im sure they will have investigated him, its pretty common procedure to look at the last person to see someone alive, the police are not stupid
Some officers are bone heads
I would die before giving up on finding my kid.
I lost my daughter and only child 26 years ago. She died from a brain tumor. As much I have grieved & still grieving, at least I know where she is & what happened. To think about her just disappearing is something I think would actually drive me over the edge! I cannot imagine!
With all my heart and soul please know that I feel for you and your family. You are in my prayers ❤️
When I was in my 20s, I found out that I was the product on an affair my parents were having at work. My dad is 20 years older than my mum (he was 57 when I was born). I'd always been told that my parents got together after their marriages were over. But actually, they were both still living as married people with their spouses when my mum fell pregnant with me and the whole thing was exposed. My dad had lied about his affair to his kids, even though they were suspicious (I have an older half-brother and half-sister from my dad's marriage, they were teenagers at the time). I found out the truth after my sister-in-law got really drunk one night and told me. I was devastated. So much made sense- why my half siblings pretty much ignored me, why my aunts and uncles had no contact with us, why my parents were so miserable together, why we never ever talked about their pasts (in any respect) prior to me being born, why we moved overseas when I was 2.
I'm sharing this because even in my 20s, this had a profound effect on me. I was angry at the cover up, and I questioned my identity since my existence had caused so much pain. Maybe if I'd never been born, my parents wouldn't even have stayed together? Maybe they would have stayed in their marriages and my siblings wouldn't come from a broken marriage. If I had found this out as a teenager, it would have been worse because of the stage of life you're at then- trying to figure out who you are and where you belong in the world. And obviously, my experience cannot compare to already growing up without your mum and then discovering it was suicide. I'm not saying that Ruth killed herself, but I am saying that a revelation like that would have rocked her to the very core and it sounds like her family (like mine) were emotionally distant and didn't talk about things, so where would Ruth have taken all that pain? I have never told my parents that I know. I love them and I know how it would hurt and embarrass them, and it was a long time ago. But I have been working through it privately to give myself some peace. I'm older, have life experience now and I have compassion for my parents. They were deeply ashamed and guilty, and just tried to handle it the best way they could.
I'm not criticising Ruth's family- they no doubt were trying to do the right thing and protect her. 20 years ago the thinking behind what to tell children was probably quite different from now, where we would emphasise transparency. I hope that one day someone will find out what happened to Ruth. Everyone needs this.
Aww, I'm sorry Julie. Although my parents did stay together, I've obviously seen close up how tough divorce is on kids. I'm sorry that you were kept out of the family stuff- probably exactly when you needed it the most! You probably felt a bit 'different' anyway after the divorce, you and your mum needed extra support not less. People can be so strange! I don't think anyone consciously blamed me in my situation. I think it was just all so difficult and awkward. My dad's first wife had been part of the family for 30 years, and then- boom- my mum's on the scene and pregnant! I think my half-siblings struggle was probably more with my dad's deception and so the distance was there (with me) kind of inevitably. My sister-in-law telling my the real story was actually helpful- the best way I can describe it is like a key turning in a door, when I'd always known there was something behind it. It made SO many things make sense! I also think sometimes that things just kind of 'slide' into place, and there's not always one decision taken at at point in time to set out 'this is what will happen.' Things just kind of get left, fall into place. My dad is very anti-social too, so I'm sure that played its part. I'm glad that I have a bit of life experience to understand how it all worked out. I don't blame anyone, it's just the way it is. And my half-siblings definitely had the harder deal, living through the infidelity and divorce, new sibling when they were grown up, etc. Is it too late for you reach out to some of your extended family? Sometimes it's all much easier after the passage of some time. Wishing you the best.
Thank you for sharing your stories! I hope both of you are doing well now.
I am, thank you! x
Ellie797 Oh lord thats though. I found out some traumatizing stuff when I was a young teen, as you say at that age you question who you are and everything that adds up in your head. I found my peace when I had my daughter, something amazing to focus on. I truly hope you find closure and peace. ♡
Thank you- I do have peace now. Glad that you do too- all the best to you and your daughter! Here's to healing through the next generation :) xx
14:23 "they are worried that what we are doing is going to be critical of them, they're worried were looking back at the original investigation and we're going to say that there are flaws in it" of course there were flaws in it, They didn't find her!!
What assholes, they won't help find the girl because it could make them look bad.
Patrick Murphy ...... Precisely. They can't solve this case so they'll prevent others from assisting by saying this is an ongoing missing persons case and can't disclose information! And Ruth remains missing, very likely dead and undiscovered.
yes a suicidal person burries herself?
i know.. that also bothers me :/
To me they aren't cooperating (the family) because they have something to hide. Have they talked to her sister? Something is not right with that family.
I think the father is involved somehow!
Interesting case. The last person to see Ruth and the one person I kept thinking about here was.....the taxi driver who drove her up to Boxhill on that day. How closely was he looked at?
Exactly my thoughts!
In fact they aren't giving any alibis.
But my first thought went to the taxi driver.
Super suspicious.
The family’s indifference is beyond disturbing….. you don’t just not look for your child
Agree, something very off there.
i would walk to the ends of the earth to find my CAT if he got out. crazy that some people can just "accept" that their kid is gone and let that be that.
If my cat vanished I too would be looking and would never give up on her.
Did she own a dark blue suitcase? If that was her she was leaving town. No one packs a bag to end their life.
Robin Garrett they would if they don’t want to be found or if they want everyone to think that she I just leaving instead of ending her life
Lily Dawson true. But at that age I am not sure she would have planned to that level. A 40 year old yes. 16, not so sure.
@@Tom-uv7ry But a bag/suitcase would most likely have been found and linked to her. It's a theory!!!
Yes, because clearly you know about every case of suicide in the world.
Robin Garrett About suicides carrying suitcases: if you ever see a documentary on what’s called the ´suicide forest’ in Japan, you’ll see that in fact many people do bring belongings with them and even apparently camp out for several days before working up to the final act. The VICE team that went there walked the forest and found a number of campsites which had clearly been occupied for some time before being completely abandoned, months or even years before they were stumbled upon. They found pictures, love letters, all kinds of deeply personal items the person had apparently wanted to be surrounded by before ending it all. Incredibly sad and eerie.
Why have her family and friends just given up on her?!
It'd been 22 years when they made this film. Only two things can be true at that point. She's dead. Or, she does not want to be found. Either way, at some point you either just accept that for what it is, or go crazy.
Well...
Even if Ruth's father, Ian Wilson, knows nothing about her disappearance his behaviour regarding his daughter is pretty despicable.
come on, you can't say that. there is no right way to grieve. you don't know how you'd react in his shoes. people sometimes react bizarrely to bizarre events - we're not just robots following a script or template. humans don't all react to trauma the same way.
Agreed, it’s perhaps one of those stiff upper lip attitudes, not wanting to talk about things. I can understand wanting to protect his daughter but she had a right to know what had happened to her mum and the father should have sat her down and told her no matter how hard that would have been to do.
I agree, Laurie, but I think you've gotta take into account that Ruth was only sixteen when she disappeared. To a dad, that's still a little girl. I give him the benefit of the doubt that he would've told her. He was trying to wait till she was older. He just didn't realize how grown she actually was. Most dads of girls do that, so you can't really fault him for it.
I don’t know the details of her mother’s tragic death or how soon her father remarried but perhaps when she found out the truth she felt like the reason she hadn’t been told was not to protect her but to protect her father and stepmother and hence her telling her friend her whole childhood was built on lies etc.
Ruth found out herself and then she disappeared. She has NO ONE.
I find it extremely strange that the family didn't want anything to do with anyone offering their services.
Hopefully this small documentary jogs people's minds and someone comes forward with vital information
i'd say start with an army of people and sniffer dogs search that hill first
An amazing documentary .A lot of silence in that village ..Beautiful places but tight lipped as you have shown . *
Agatha Christie country?
Barbara Arndt
Agatha Christie wrote primarily in Devon, although her books are set all over the world. I don't know if she set any specifically in Surrey.
I am from Cornwall, and couldn't see myself living in Surrey, though now I am in Bristol.
It was just an eample. I do know AC wrote in Devon. But what I wanted to describe was the cosy and prim country setting of a Miss Marple. Twitching curtains etc. but no one speaks out.
HelenaMikas agree!! The village is beautyfull
HelenaMikas ,
These women remembering and honouring their friend Ruth is so lovely and heartbreaking. My prayers for them. The hole a missing friend leaves is profound.
💙 Buffalo, NY
The amount of secrecy surrounding the family disturbs me - how can you ever want to ‘move on’ after your child goes missing??
Her Dad was my science teacher in secondary school. She went missing just after I started there. He was a proper old school man, and rightly so, looked like he had the world on his shoulders.
But he wasn't horrible, nasty etc. Unless he took the day off that day, which he obviously didn't, I don't see how he would have even got there in that time, at that time of day, let alone know she was there. Must be awful. I also know a woman who's daughter went missing a very long time ago. Carmel fenech, no trace, it's unimaginable :(
He may have been proper at his job but you never know how he acted at home.
@@susan1215 Exactly
Did this other person who went missing? Where they from or went missing in the same area? Or from the same location?? Etc.
Carmelle...hello, curious to know what you remember from that time, as far as the community, a town drunk, town wierdo, her family's reputation or anything at all you'd like to share. Or not. Hope you did well in science. Thank you cheers
Fenech? Was she Maltese?
Ruth’s Mum taught at my school and I’ve followed the case for years but had no idea karen wasn’t her biological Mum and that she had recently found out how her bio mum had died. I hope the family find answers one day and peace. I search several times a year always hoping it would be resolved
Vikki George her Dad was my science teacher.
Hope the schools have more support services now and education to assist the pupils to be helped oif homes are unsafe.
I was wondering if the detectives looked at the date of the suicide and the date of her disappearance? Maybe there's a connection. 🤔
Someone just posted she disappeared 14 days after the anniversary of her mother's death.
29:56 "the thing about secrets is that they have a tendency to come out in the end"
Well it hasn't yet and its now 2021
@@lonewolf3137 though, it's not the end yet
I wish the girl is stil safe
I wish she is somewer up there with a new identity
I wish her to be safe and alive..!
I wish.....
Stranger things have happened. What about the girls kidnapped in Germany kept in a garage by that guy until they had grown up. These cases are rare but they do happen where people are kidnapped and the so-called 'Stockholm Syndrome' can result in them bonding with their kidnappers and not trying to escape after a length of time being held captive, which explains how they can seemingly disappear without trace, and then turn up much later.
Yes arial castro case Ohio too, were a girl also had a baby from him, somewer i found they could have used their brains and had chances to escape a long bk bcz there wer moments dey wer eating together, spending time like a family wer they cud hv together attacked him using any of a hard obstacle, But they dint unfortunately. And i cud feel im aint sure but amanda berry a kinda had a corner fr him as he was comparatively good to her compared to other two girls for which Michael knight had told that she was given extra care by him which means somewer she was feeling possesive towards d kidnapper, as she also made a statement that he treated amanda like a wife and was not much concerned towards other 2. Which slightly indicates that she had grown feelings fr him but im happy they finally were escaped!
Tasmiya Ateeq I wish Donald Trumps plane would crash...and?
Sexy Cougar Trump may get killed on his UK visit. The extent of the danger he faces here is probably far higher than going to somewhere like Afghanistan. It's going to be a security nightmare unless they basically use half the entire UK police and close off all the roads and create police barriers. His car could be surrounded else. He is more at danger from the far left in UK than Islamists.
Tasmiya Ateeq ndm
Did no one actually look at the screen when they discussed the mother's death? The death certificate stated 'hanging', so no, it was not a case of 'falling down the stairs'. It was likely explained that way to her because she was a young child at the time. I can only guess that her father and step-mother have forced themselves to accept and move on. People deal with grief in different ways and you can't judge that. Some keep searching their entire lives, while others pack away every picture and belonging. There's no 'right' way to mourn.
Wow that's interesting. You know my first thought on this was, mother falling down stairs and dying = very unusual way to die, and then daughter disappearing = doubly unusual. I related these two events together and thought if I were the police, i'd be taking a second look at the mothers death very closely if possible and trying to build up a detailed profile of the girls relationships and social life, in the years, months and days leading up to her disappearing. Did the police not look thoroughly enough into the domestic situation and relationships with her father and the ex-boyfriend maybe? These seem crucial to rule out completely in a case like this.
Based on what you said, that might give some explanation for the unusual behaviour, sending the red roses to her family home which arrived the day after she disappeared.. I wonder if she has committed suicide in those woods somewhere, did the police search properly it looks a massive area.
I agree. It's easy to judge as an outsider but in those days the view was "best left unsaid" rather than hurt a 3 yr old girl
True. But Ruth was not a 3 year old forever. She was 16 when she disappeared after she found out how her mother died. Was the mother's suicide ever discussed in her familly?
Crystal Shaulis who do you think you are uk
How could you live as a parent not knowing where your child is.
It seems certain that she was waiting to be picked up on that country road. I have ridden my motorbike many times towards box hill. That is somewhere it would feel exhausting to walk from. Somebody told her to go there for sure with the re-assurance of a pick up. This case annoys me