With the fallen now coming back into the ranks of the dark angels, and knowing how the dark angels handle themselves before, they are probably one of the largest now.
they are largest and hafe always been as unforgiven arent succesor chapter but thousand stronmg tals forcedispatched form the rock and now under th e lion who had called all shi sons back to rock it is hwoel legion doig legion things
The Black Templars are following the codex…. The codex states that a chapter under crusade is not bound by the 1000 battle brother limit… that’s why the Black Templars have been on crusade for the past 10,000 years.
@@CTembo yeah… it’s like: Templar 1- Brother? Templar 2- Brother! Templar 1- I didn’t know you were going to be here. Templar 2- You either. Oh damn this is embarrassing. Templar 1- Well, umm, since you’re here already. Wanna crusade together? Templar 2- Are the Dark angels traitors? (Of course)
Dark angels have 100,000 astartes if we are dropping the we are different chapters honest approach, as they make up 10% of all space marine chapters and roughly there are around quoted 1000 chapters so 100x1000 plus deathwing and ravenwing being slightly larger you may even top that. Why inquisition is always glaring at them waiting to hit the legion building button but you can't rebuild what never broke apart.
Yeah. And they arn now together as one as far lore state I Think that dark angels number nie will be in totalnie around 150k of marins under ARM and ready to fight on Lion order.
Space Wolves have 13 great companies which are not codex compliant and still operate as a Legion with some great companies being the size of entire chapters.
The number given for Space Wolves is completely wrong. Furries in Space have 12 great companies (or whatever they're called, their smaller divisions), each one is around 1200 Astartes each when at full strength. So that's 14000+ in total. In the book where the Rowboat Girlyman gives them the new shiny Primaris, they later attack a planet of orks with the majority of the -chapter- remains of the Legion strength. More than 12500 Space Wolves participated in that attack. Dark Angels have way more than 20000 too. When Blueberry Boi arrived at the Rock to give them Primaris, they had like 40000+ various Dark Angels there. And quite a few chapters were still on their way (they were having one of their regular meetings, thte usual Dark Angels shit). So they have at the very least 60000 marines, probably more.
"Grey Knights are the best of the best" The Space Wolves would have something to say about that. Logan Grimnar killed a Grand Master of the Grey Knights before he could even draw his swords and then bodied three more before teleporting off their ship.
Yeahhhhh, the writing can get weird… I tend to take space wolf lore with a grain of salt. Logan Grimnar killing a grand master is one thing, but wielding an axe with the soul of a literally greater daemon with no consequences while the leader of the purgatoris of the grey knights struggles with his daemon sword? Doesn’t add up. Also ruin preist are dumb as fuck
@@generalputin3314 I get what you mean but even if the demon was still in the axe since it was reforged. Their is a difference between that and the Blade of Antwyr with it being a blade with no known origin even to the grey knights who cannot even banish let alone destroy the sword it fighting its current wielder Garran Crow with not only psychological methods but also unpowering itself and even moving itself in subtle ways in an attempt to throw him off. Which we do not see for the the Axe of Grimnar. The closest to the sword of Antwer is probably Drach'nyen as that was a sword not even the Empeor could destory. But that could also be because the Emperor is the reason for its existance but who knows. And then their is the part where it is implied Leman and maybe his sons have some weird quirk to them where they are a direct counter to space marines. But that is merky due to how fucked Space Wolves lore is, and all they would need to do is confirm this for it to make a bunch of the BS the space wolves can do actually makes sense. TL;DR Space Wolf lore is weird I agree, especially them saying their psychic powers come from the planet instead of the warp. But I do not think we can make an equivalency between the sword of Antwer and other demonic weapons.
@@theemperorofmankind3739 I see your point, but I feel I should specify the comparison I made was more in depth than the blades themselves. Yes the blade of Antwyr is leagues more powerful of a daemon than whatever daemon was in Grimnars Axe, but when considering that Crowe is also leagues more powerful when it comes to willpower than grimnar, as well as considering despite this how much the blade of Antwyr hinders Crowe at every moment, while there was basically no consequence to any extent for grimnar. My point is that while the comparison is perfectly equal, it highlights the greater point I was making, that being that the Space wolf writing is often contradictory and even disrespectful to other lore
I think you forgot a 0 for a lot of these legions. Guilliman limited legion strengths to 10k not 1k because legions at the heresy were roughly 100k-500k. After 10k legion strength is attained then a successor chapter is created. I’m fairly certain I remember this reading.
Appreciate your efforts. Where did you get your numbers from? Chapters are supposedly 1000 approximately in number. Black Templars & Space Wolves are documented exceeding 1000+. Also, Tech Marines, Chaplins, & Apothecaries aren't included, in these numbers, as well as assumed command staff. Deathwatch reportedly more or less chapter sized. Greyknights the same and they basically operate I believe 8 companies / brotherhoods. Space Wolves could be thousands strong not 1800! Black Templars rumored several thousand strong. Add reinforcement from Gilliman. They also operate under crusading fleet doctrine, oldest crusading chapter existing, and under crusading doctrine allows them to exceed 1000 marine limit. Unforgiven, The Last Wall,& Sangernary Brotherhood, you've both stretched and reached here! These are not the norm special circumstances, hence why I said you're reaching as these are not chapters. Granted you mentioned armies, better to cover as a separate video 📹. IMO you should do a follow up video 📹 after detailed research. Great video as always and this is definitely an area where GW contradicts itself and is ambiguous on.
The question is, if they only have plenty of thousands space marine. How can they handle the chaotic wars in this wars. Even china have millions army personnel innit
Because scaling and logistics in sci fi is often time just made up and highly unreasonable. Warhammer 40k is no excemption from this, even if this setting is cranked up to eleven most of the time. Don't look to close, just enjoy the spectacle. Or you start to wonder where a Space Marine is keeping the ammo for his Bolter and the like and how they would be able to operate for prolonged time with under 200 rounds available. Or you're wondering how the heck space marines can live several centuries and be in constant war but have several causalties in the books for a simple assault mission. Or the whole premise that you have a stable society for 10.000 years without any new technology in general, whilst being in constant warfare? Logistics, scaling, attrition rates and tech development are highly unrealistic in the setting. But it still is enjoyable. :)
With the fallen now coming back into the ranks of the dark angels, and knowing how the dark angels handle themselves before, they are probably one of the largest now.
they are largest and hafe always been as unforgiven arent succesor chapter but thousand stronmg tals forcedispatched form the rock and now under th e lion who had called all shi sons back to rock it is hwoel legion doig legion things
@@no-nonseplayer6612are you good? I think you had a stroke, man
@@generalputin3314 sorry being blind
@@no-nonseplayer6612 fair
The Black Templars are following the codex…. The codex states that a chapter under crusade is not bound by the 1000 battle brother limit… that’s why the Black Templars have been on crusade for the past 10,000 years.
Also no one in the Black Templars knows the marine count. They just show up
@@CTembo yeah… it’s like:
Templar 1- Brother?
Templar 2- Brother!
Templar 1- I didn’t know you were going to be here.
Templar 2- You either. Oh damn this is embarrassing.
Templar 1- Well, umm, since you’re here already. Wanna crusade together?
Templar 2- Are the Dark angels traitors? (Of course)
You forgot to mention that the Space Wolves have 13 companies.
we work in the great companies system
Yes but the 13th is lost and therefore can't be called on.
@@Alastair_ but we came back in 13th crusade
@@jiyuhong5853 not all of them.
Dark angels have 100,000 astartes if we are dropping the we are different chapters honest approach, as they make up 10% of all space marine chapters and roughly there are around quoted 1000 chapters so 100x1000 plus deathwing and ravenwing being slightly larger you may even top that. Why inquisition is always glaring at them waiting to hit the legion building button but you can't rebuild what never broke apart.
Yeah. And they arn now together as one as far lore state I Think that dark angels number nie will be in totalnie around 150k of marins under ARM and ready to fight on Lion order.
@@ireneuszkopinski5328you can thank Dante for finding your primarch for you 😉
So do you think that the lion would unite the legion? 2:14
and inquisiton is kinda scared shitless of dark angels they hame made inquisitors and ebven lord inquisitors servitors on whim before lion returned
@@tobydawes6007it was never broken to begin with 😉
Space Wolves have 13 great companies which are not codex compliant and still operate as a Legion with some great companies being the size of entire chapters.
The number given for Space Wolves is completely wrong. Furries in Space have 12 great companies (or whatever they're called, their smaller divisions), each one is around 1200 Astartes each when at full strength. So that's 14000+ in total. In the book where the Rowboat Girlyman gives them the new shiny Primaris, they later attack a planet of orks with the majority of the -chapter- remains of the Legion strength. More than 12500 Space Wolves participated in that attack.
Dark Angels have way more than 20000 too. When Blueberry Boi arrived at the Rock to give them Primaris, they had like 40000+ various Dark Angels there. And quite a few chapters were still on their way (they were having one of their regular meetings, thte usual Dark Angels shit). So they have at the very least 60000 marines, probably more.
Yep
"Grey Knights are the best of the best" The Space Wolves would have something to say about that. Logan Grimnar killed a Grand Master of the Grey Knights before he could even draw his swords and then bodied three more before teleporting off their ship.
Yeahhhhh, the writing can get weird… I tend to take space wolf lore with a grain of salt. Logan Grimnar killing a grand master is one thing, but wielding an axe with the soul of a literally greater daemon with no consequences while the leader of the purgatoris of the grey knights struggles with his daemon sword? Doesn’t add up. Also ruin preist are dumb as fuck
@@generalputin3314the axe has been reforged and doesn't has a demon in it anymore. But yeah, anything else about the space wolves is immensily dumb.
@@guimatthbenon8511 ah, news to me, glad that’s the case then
@@generalputin3314
I get what you mean but even if the demon was still in the axe since it was reforged. Their is a difference between that and the Blade of Antwyr with it being a blade with no known origin even to the grey knights who cannot even banish let alone destroy the sword it fighting its current wielder Garran Crow with not only psychological methods but also unpowering itself and even moving itself in subtle ways in an attempt to throw him off. Which we do not see for the the Axe of Grimnar. The closest to the sword of Antwer is probably Drach'nyen as that was a sword not even the Empeor could destory. But that could also be because the Emperor is the reason for its existance but who knows.
And then their is the part where it is implied Leman and maybe his sons have some weird quirk to them where they are a direct counter to space marines. But that is merky due to how fucked Space Wolves lore is, and all they would need to do is confirm this for it to make a bunch of the BS the space wolves can do actually makes sense.
TL;DR Space Wolf lore is weird I agree, especially them saying their psychic powers come from the planet instead of the warp. But I do not think we can make an equivalency between the sword of Antwer and other demonic weapons.
@@theemperorofmankind3739 I see your point, but I feel I should specify the comparison I made was more in depth than the blades themselves. Yes the blade of Antwyr is leagues more powerful of a daemon than whatever daemon was in Grimnars Axe, but when considering that Crowe is also leagues more powerful when it comes to willpower than grimnar, as well as considering despite this how much the blade of Antwyr hinders Crowe at every moment, while there was basically no consequence to any extent for grimnar. My point is that while the comparison is perfectly equal, it highlights the greater point I was making, that being that the Space wolf writing is often contradictory and even disrespectful to other lore
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Tech heresy to be specific
I think you forgot a 0 for a lot of these legions. Guilliman limited legion strengths to 10k not 1k because legions at the heresy were roughly 100k-500k. After 10k legion strength is attained then a successor chapter is created. I’m fairly certain I remember this reading.
Nope 1000 chapters of 1000 marines even though many of them dont honor the rule.
No, you’re adding the 0. It’s 1000
Kaldor Draigo can solo the entire Death Watch.
Deathwatch got a little smaller 😢
Havent read the books what happend?
@@christianjrgensen2871 Deathwatch supplement rolled into the Agents of the Imperium codex.
I don’t think it a lore thing they shrunk just gw rules change removing them as a faction
@@rungunninja1289 and now might be bringing then back in December 😂
Ah yes limited to 1000 marines as the codex states
i always wanted to know about this
Appreciate your efforts. Where did you get your numbers from?
Chapters are supposedly 1000 approximately in number.
Black Templars & Space Wolves are documented exceeding 1000+.
Also, Tech Marines, Chaplins, & Apothecaries aren't included, in these numbers, as well as assumed command staff.
Deathwatch reportedly more or less chapter sized. Greyknights the same and they basically operate I believe 8 companies / brotherhoods.
Space Wolves could be thousands strong not 1800!
Black Templars rumored several thousand strong. Add reinforcement from Gilliman. They also operate under crusading fleet doctrine, oldest crusading chapter existing, and under crusading doctrine allows them to exceed 1000 marine limit.
Unforgiven, The Last Wall,& Sangernary Brotherhood, you've both stretched and reached here!
These are not the norm special circumstances, hence why I said you're reaching as these are not chapters.
Granted you mentioned armies, better to cover as a separate video 📹.
IMO you should do a follow up video 📹 after detailed research.
Great video as always and this is definitely an area where GW contradicts itself and is ambiguous on.
when Black Templars are 3 times inclluded^^
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Yo dude I am thinking about collecting space marines and painting them should I do it and what should I get first
Usually get the dark angels combat patrol (a lot of people) or a box of intercessors or even the starter set
i do recommend etting the new unforgiven box set and pre ordeign it as it has their primarch lion el jhonshon on it
Does the nights watch father no children?
i would field a chapter like the black templars
Sources for these numbers?
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The question is, if they only have plenty of thousands space marine. How can they handle the chaotic wars in this wars. Even china have millions army personnel innit
maybe more chapters invole? and also they are like US Navy Seal.
Because scaling and logistics in sci fi is often time just made up and highly unreasonable.
Warhammer 40k is no excemption from this, even if this setting is cranked up to eleven most of the time.
Don't look to close, just enjoy the spectacle.
Or you start to wonder where a Space Marine is keeping the ammo for his Bolter and the like and how they would be able to operate for prolonged time with under 200 rounds available. Or you're wondering how the heck space marines can live several centuries and be in constant war but have several causalties in the books for a simple assault mission.
Or the whole premise that you have a stable society for 10.000 years without any new technology in general, whilst being in constant warfare?
Logistics, scaling, attrition rates and tech development are highly unrealistic in the setting. But it still is enjoyable. :)
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