It seems to have a big presence for a plane of that size. It only looks it’s true size when you’re holding it or standing next to it. I always enjoy your build/flight review videos!
Great review brother! I really like these smaller 64mm EDF jets, I think they are just right for those on a budget, and look super good for their size. PLUS, these fans are starting to sound very good and the power seems super good for what it is! No need for retracts on these; they are kinda too small to effectively engineer the retracts anyway, and it would only add weight. Not to mention the cost increase. Then folks would say "gee, for what I'm paying, it should be a larger model", and then you're on an ever spiraling cycle of diminishing returns. Thanks for showing us this one, what a nice little ship!
Thanks brother! Personally, I'd like to see retracts at this size. Back in the day, this was a 70mm sized model and I had retracts in them at this size back then. Just sayin' ;)
@@JustwingitRC HI John! I picked up one of these as a throw in for a bigger warbird. Maiden happening today. Looking forward to meeting up for the B25 handoff! Finally we’ll have a fly session together!
Awesome Jet gotta have it. Thanks Chris for being such a great reviewer and videographer in the RC World. Your work is appreciated. I'm from East Tennessee. Go Man Go.
Thanks for that Fair Rc Link Chris. i got notice the Fms had them back in stock and went to the website immediatly and found they were sold out on that jet already...But Fair Rc had 16 of them left to sell...Thanks Again Chris
Too much weight and cost for the cheap 64mm market. This jet barely has enough thrust to carry its weight. Carrying beefier landing gear and servos is only going to ruin it.
Just saying the technology should be there about now.. I love my big jet's but prefer to take out my 64mm even my small 50mm you can just throw them in the car no worries and cheap to replace just add rudders.. Retractable gear would change everything.
At 5:30 mark, she sounds extremely realistic! 🤡 Seriously though, this and the new F16 are likely the best 64mm jets I’ve ever seen. Well done, Chris. I just picked one up and will set up as you’ve described here. Thanks.
With the cost of the 70 and 80 MM I have been purchasing more 64 MM 4s planes. A lot less cost and just as fun and more forgiving to fly. I might have to pick this one up though I will yank the gyro. I have only purchased 2 planes so far in 2023 so a good candidate for #3. lol
@@nirlachman007 no mods at all. Wedges in nicely and the front of the lipo is just level with the front strap. Has to be longer flatter type of lipos so about 43mm by 140mm long. Not the shorter fatter type of lipos. It weighs in at 320g too. I've got a bunch of these from 2600 to 3000 and all fit and balance well.
@@nirlachman007 they should fit but they are 369g. Quite a bit weight for the plane. I've already took out my steering servo to save weight. It should fly tho 👍🏾
Question I purchased the Beechcraft d18. I would like to weather the silver such as wings and fuselage. Do you know how to do that and color? And I would like to do chipping such as in the silver if it even happens on a silver plane. Thanks.
I’d recommend doing a “wash” with some raw umber acrylic, thinning it with windex. Apply it over the airframe and then wipe it off in the direction of the air flow using a paper towel with tamiya acrylic thinner. The wash will collect within the panel lines and darken them up. You can also apply in thinned acrylic to certain areas for a streaking effect as I show in my weathering videos. Paint chipping would make the most sense on the painted areas, not the silver. The full scale d18 is an immaculate polished aluminum airframe.
This one shows the wash technique. It’s a live stream from a while ago: Shop Time Live -- Weathering the E-flite A-10 Thunderbolt II ua-cam.com/video/YOXoOMWrNjM/v-deo.html
Another Question sorry. So when I use the umber do I use it on all the panel lines and do some streaking on some panel lines to make it look like it’s streaking off the panel line? I use to use black for the panel lines then airbrush away from said panel to look like it’s flowing and weathered. Thanks for your response
Hey Chris do you think this 64mm Rafale could benefit from reduced appature thrust nozzles like you did on the 80mm one? The outlets seem gigantic to me and especially when compared to my 64mm Eflite f-15 Eagle Jet?
@@Thercgeek In my view, I’d think that the added weight wouldn’t justify a mere extra 90 seconds in the air. I’d rather recharge at the field for another sortie.
Hi! Would this be good for a beginner as my first jet? It's a big step up for me as my airplane before was a small WL toys cessna 182... Should I fly it? Thanks!
I’m not familiar with that Cessna at all. If it’s what I think it is, you’ll probably want to step up to something a little higher performance before jumping into the rafale.
Only way to fly this is with an 1800mah 6s lipo, and the matching 2840 6s outrunner than spins at 2,280kv (think Arrows 64mm 6s platform). Stock ESC. You're welcome..
@@Thercgeek hi Chris just bought a townhouse in fort Myers Florida .Closing should be dec 1st . Still living in New York for now .Not going to be an easy move .Used to work for American Airline have a good night john
I do think it’s a good candidate for sure. My go to recommendation though is always the eflite 70mm viper. It’s really hard to beat and will give you experience with flaps and retracts too.
My first EDF was the E flight f15 64 mm. That's a great little jet, very forgiving and easy to fly with good performance. My second which I'm going to bring up is the free wing F9F Panther. That's also an amazing stable little jet that performs well and does great aerobatics. It also has a wide landing gear pattern. You decide to put them on, they make landings very easy and fun with a little bit of power! That makes it a great little trainer so you can move on to the larger EDF jets, which are harder to land. Peace from California!
It’s a 64mm. Its too small of a jet for retracts to even be considered as they barely qualify as sources of drag at that size, and it would just add weight. Not to mention that it will greatly increase the price of the jet, taking away its “best budget option” title and then you got the people on UA-cam going “gee! For what I’m paying I should be getting something bigger!”
Before plugging in the battery to the airplane, bring the throttle to full on the transmitter. From there, plug in the battery and wait for the esc to beep twice. When it does, bring the throttle back down to idle and it should beep twice again and then arm after that. That teaches the esc the full throttle range. It’s typical for the fms and freewing esc’s to have to do that.
FMS calling the nose gear CNC is misleading. Other models calling at CNC have actual machined aluminum you know oleo strut looking gear. These new deals from FMS are actually plastic molded over a internal hardware bit, but it's not a machined CNC aluminum deal like most people would typically think of it as. Kind of a downgrade FMS not the greatest.
Well, the 80mm rafale has machined aluminum landing gear struts. I don’t recall them ever making that claim for this 64mm one since it’s as you described, plastic covered wire. If it’s stated on the website, I’m guessing that’s a copy paste error.
@@Thercgeek well it's not a deal breaker exactly on that 64. Glad to hear the '80s all aluminum. They do call the nose gear on the 64 of CNC style landing gear which it's not. Just curious.
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It seems to have a big presence for a plane of that size. It only looks it’s true size when you’re holding it or standing next to it. I always enjoy your build/flight review videos!
Great review brother! I really like these smaller 64mm EDF jets, I think they are just right for those on a budget, and look super good for their size. PLUS, these fans are starting to sound very good and the power seems super good for what it is! No need for retracts on these; they are kinda too small to effectively engineer the retracts anyway, and it would only add weight. Not to mention the cost increase. Then folks would say "gee, for what I'm paying, it should be a larger model", and then you're on an ever spiraling cycle of diminishing returns. Thanks for showing us this one, what a nice little ship!
Thanks brother! Personally, I'd like to see retracts at this size. Back in the day, this was a 70mm sized model and I had retracts in them at this size back then. Just sayin' ;)
@@Thercgeek I'm sure they'll have them sooner rather than later 😉✌😁
@@JustwingitRC HI John! I picked up one of these as a throw in for a bigger warbird. Maiden happening today.
Looking forward to meeting up for the B25 handoff! Finally we’ll have a fly session together!
@@SanDiegoUteFan Sounds good my friend!
Awesome Jet gotta have it. Thanks Chris for being such a great reviewer and videographer in the RC World. Your work is appreciated. I'm from East Tennessee. Go Man Go.
Thanks so much man, I can't thank you enough for your support!
Thanks for that Fair Rc Link Chris. i got notice the Fms had them back in stock and went to the website immediatly and found they were sold out on that jet already...But Fair Rc had 16 of them left to sell...Thanks Again Chris
Glad that worked for you! 😊
This is the best assembly video I’ve seen for this model. Very simple, direct and easy to follow!
Thanks😃👍✈️
Thank you, I’m glad it was helpful!
Nice! Would love this in a 70mm with retracts like the Eflite F-16
I agree with you. 😁
Great video thanks Chris 👍. Nice little jet with some kool features.
Thanks!
You would think by now they would be listening to us about retractable gear on 64mm jet's..
for real
I don’t disagree. I’m hopeful we’ll see that at some point.
Too much weight and cost for the cheap 64mm market. This jet barely has enough thrust to carry its weight. Carrying beefier landing gear and servos is only going to ruin it.
Just saying the technology should be there about now.. I love my big jet's but prefer to take out my 64mm even my small 50mm you can just throw them in the car no worries and cheap to replace just add rudders.. Retractable gear would change everything.
@@jackhawk8952 MORE POWER
Nice to see it in a 90mm version. Have the 80mm love it
At 5:30 mark, she sounds extremely realistic! 🤡
Seriously though, this and the new F16 are likely the best 64mm jets I’ve ever seen. Well done, Chris.
I just picked one up and will set up as you’ve described here. Thanks.
Nice. Do you take off and Land with safe on? And use gyro during the flight ? Thx
I have the rate gyro on, but am not using the self leveling Safe mode at all.
I installed the cyclone power led afterburner in mine and now it has lost some power. Not sure what to do about it. Maybe convert it to a 6s?
With the cost of the 70 and 80 MM I have been purchasing more 64 MM 4s planes. A lot less cost and just as fun and more forgiving to fly. I might have to pick this one up though I will yank the gyro. I have only purchased 2 planes so far in 2023 so a good candidate for #3. lol
great video! Love the channel! What do you spray over your glue joints
Thanks! That is CA accelerator I’m spraying to get the glue to cure quicker.
Thanks Chris! How much flight time do you get with the 4s 2200?
I’m getting about 3.5 minutes roughly.
I use the spektrum 3200 50c in mine and flies great. It wedges in there flat too. 4 min timer with 35-40% left.
Perfect
Did you need to do any mods to make it fit in it?
@@nirlachman007 no mods at all. Wedges in nicely and the front of the lipo is just level with the front strap. Has to be longer flatter type of lipos so about 43mm by 140mm long. Not the shorter fatter type of lipos. It weighs in at 320g too. I've got a bunch of these from 2600 to 3000 and all fit and balance well.
@@M4rkmcc21 sounds good! I have a few CNHL 3300mah, I’m wondering if they can fit
@@nirlachman007 they should fit but they are 369g. Quite a bit weight for the plane. I've already took out my steering servo to save weight. It should fly tho 👍🏾
cool lil jet
I wonder 💭🤷🏻♂️ how to glue Neodymium on Rc Jets bec I want to transport a few parts of my jets while driving to the Airfield / Airclub … please help
I just use CA to glue magnets to most materials.
Question I purchased the Beechcraft d18. I would like to weather the silver such as wings and fuselage. Do you know how to do that and color? And I would like to do chipping such as in the silver if it even happens on a silver plane. Thanks.
I’d recommend doing a “wash” with some raw umber acrylic, thinning it with windex. Apply it over the airframe and then wipe it off in the direction of the air flow using a paper towel with tamiya acrylic thinner. The wash will collect within the panel lines and darken them up. You can also apply in thinned acrylic to certain areas for a streaking effect as I show in my weathering videos. Paint chipping would make the most sense on the painted areas, not the silver. The full scale d18 is an immaculate polished aluminum airframe.
@@Thercgeek ok thanks
@@Thercgeek do you have the video you can send me the link. Thanks
This one shows the wash technique. It’s a live stream from a while ago: Shop Time Live -- Weathering the E-flite A-10 Thunderbolt II
ua-cam.com/video/YOXoOMWrNjM/v-deo.html
Another Question sorry. So when I use the umber do I use it on all the panel lines and do some streaking on some panel lines to make it look like it’s streaking off the panel line? I use to use black for the panel lines then airbrush away from said panel to look like it’s flowing and weathered. Thanks for your response
Hey Chris do you think this 64mm Rafale could benefit from reduced appature thrust nozzles like you did on the 80mm one? The outlets seem gigantic to me and especially when compared to my 64mm Eflite f-15 Eagle Jet?
That’s a good point. I will look into that on the one here.
@@Thercgeek i personally would greatly appreciate your efforts looking into that....Thanks Man....
Looks ready beautiful 👍
If you can fly 3.5 minutes on 4s 2200, then what is the point of flying 4 minutes with 4s 3200? Less docile for sure. Maybe good for windy condition.
I’d expect to get over 5 minutes with a 3200.
@@Thercgeek In my view, I’d think that the added weight wouldn’t justify a mere extra 90 seconds in the air. I’d rather recharge at the field for another sortie.
Stuck between this and the Freewing f22 64mm for a cheap maneuverable EDF! Do you have any opinions?
I’ve not flown the 64mm f22, so can o Lu talk to my experience with this rafale. It’s a really good budget jet that flies well.
Man no retracts is the only thing putting me off this thing looks sick
I hear you. There’s always the 80mm version if you’re looking for something with a few more scale features.
Hi!
Would this be good for a beginner as my first jet?
It's a big step up for me as my airplane before was a small WL toys cessna 182...
Should I fly it?
Thanks!
I’m not familiar with that Cessna at all. If it’s what I think it is, you’ll probably want to step up to something a little higher performance before jumping into the rafale.
@@Thercgeek Maybe like the Ranger 1220?
That’s a great choice
I recommend the pnp and using your own radio. The rtf is too sensitive on the controls.
@@Thercgeek Thanks
Job Geek 👍 . Who’s
on the camera…Mini Geek ?
Thanks! My friend Brian here in TN is helping out on the camera.
@@Thercgeek Brian’s doing a great job👍
Only way to fly this is with an 1800mah 6s lipo, and the matching 2840 6s outrunner than spins at 2,280kv (think Arrows 64mm 6s platform). Stock ESC. You're welcome..
Haha, nice
Hey! A little late to the party, but are there places where I can buy this in the UK?
I believe that fms ships worldwide.
@@Thercgeek really? It says it can’t ship to my location.
Hmm, maybe I’m wrong then. Let me check on that.
👍👍..nice flight...
Thanks!
I just saw this plane has thrust reversing not advertised. Yellow wire to spare channel.
Nice plane and flight enjoy
Thanks!
@@Thercgeek hi Chris just bought a townhouse in fort Myers Florida .Closing should be dec 1st . Still living in New York for now .Not going to be an easy move .Used to work for American Airline have a good night john
do they ship those to italy?
That’s a good question, I’m not entirely sure. I thought that there was a European warehouse for fms, but I’ll have to check in that.
thank you@@Thercgeek
Is it foam?
Yes, it’s epo foam.
as to you title i do not know but its a pretty jet
Would you think this could be a good first EDF…
I do think it’s a good candidate for sure. My go to recommendation though is always the eflite 70mm viper. It’s really hard to beat and will give you experience with flaps and retracts too.
My first EDF was the E flight f15 64 mm. That's a great little jet, very forgiving and easy to fly with good performance. My second which I'm going to bring up is the free wing F9F Panther. That's also an amazing stable little jet that performs well and does great aerobatics. It also has a wide landing gear pattern. You decide to put them on, they make landings very easy and fun with a little bit of power! That makes it a great little trainer so you can move on to the larger EDF jets, which are harder to land.
Peace from California!
If we are talking best budget jets, I'm still yet to see anything better than the freewing lippisch 64mm edf.
That’s fair. No undercarriage on that one, correct?
Have you tried taking off from grass?
I have not. I’d think flying from grass, hand launching might be the best option.
Mine f35 edf 64mm..hand made use 6s
No retracts?! Fixed landing gear ?! I'll pass. Lol
I wish it had retracts too honestly. I suppose that’s what the 80mm one is for. 😉
It’s a 64mm. Its too small of a jet for retracts to even be considered as they barely qualify as sources of drag at that size, and it would just add weight. Not to mention that it will greatly increase the price of the jet, taking away its “best budget option” title and then you got the people on UA-cam going “gee! For what I’m paying I should be getting something bigger!”
min is def under powered, considering how light it is
Have you calibrated the esc? If not, you may not actually be getting full power from it.
@@Thercgeek yep, there 2 in our club and there both the same, they fly ok but certainly haven't got the performance that yours seems to have
@@Thercgeekcan you please elaborate on calibrating the ESC? I think I have an issue with mine
Before plugging in the battery to the airplane, bring the throttle to full on the transmitter. From there, plug in the battery and wait for the esc to beep twice. When it does, bring the throttle back down to idle and it should beep twice again and then arm after that. That teaches the esc the full throttle range. It’s typical for the fms and freewing esc’s to have to do that.
@@Thercgeek I’ll try that! Thank you 🙏🏻
FMS calling the nose gear CNC is misleading. Other models calling at CNC have actual machined aluminum you know oleo strut looking gear. These new deals from FMS are actually plastic molded over a internal hardware bit, but it's not a machined CNC aluminum deal like most people would typically think of it as. Kind of a downgrade FMS not the greatest.
Well, the 80mm rafale has machined aluminum landing gear struts. I don’t recall them ever making that claim for this 64mm one since it’s as you described, plastic covered wire. If it’s stated on the website, I’m guessing that’s a copy paste error.
@@Thercgeek well it's not a deal breaker exactly on that 64. Glad to hear the '80s all aluminum. They do call the nose gear on the 64 of CNC style landing gear which it's not. Just curious.
Dnt use gyro.