6/11 REBIRTH: If there is no self, then who or what is being reborn? by Khenpo Jorden
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Interview to Khenpo Ngawang Jorden PHD, Principal of International Buddhist Academy Kathmandu (IBA).
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The Buddha said
“Oh, Bhikshu, every moment you are born, decay, and die.”
Every moment the illusion of the separate self is reincarnated.
this is good one. thanks for sharing :)
Yes; that sounds more correct.
We need non literal interpretation here!
@ stephen downey - REINCARNATION - From a modern scientific viewpoint billions of our cells change every day ! With regards to our complete body that takes 7-10 years to change !
Most Excellent.
Thank you Venerable Khenpo Ngawang!--I will sit with this explanation
I don't know why people here are so hateful commenting on this video. What this monk has said is correct from the point of Buddhist philosophy if you're familiar with it. I believe this channel is for those who are genuinely studying Buddhism, not those who come here to spit condescending speech. Dear admin, please delete all the irrelevant and hate comments. With Metta 🙏
@@heinmolenaar6750 I clearly didn't say all opposing comments here are hateful, please reread my comment. It's freedom of speech to speak whatever you want, but it is also the right for the content owner to decide what speeches are allowed in their platform
Isn't the hope that we continue in some form after our body dies rooted in ego? It seems that when people have a truly spiritual experience they are not conscious of a "self", but of a greater existence, a oneness of all. We are all part of this amazing Life. We are like waves on the ocean. Each wave eventually breaks on the shore and disappears, but the ocean remains. The key, it seems to me, is to identify with and revere Life, rather than oneself.
My understanding, that's buddhist's ultimate goal to attain liberation...from illusion of "self".
May blessing and merit be upon you reverend Sir. Thank you.
Wave on the ocean, even when it hits the shore it's still part of the same ocean. Nothing ever changed what was real. Only concepts change.
basically child murder
Anthropocentric POV. Change is the only constant and is completely independent of human consciousness.
@@Enoch9500bc “truth” is a path-less land
Literally Advaita Vedanta of hinduism
@@BlackSkyZ2 truth is all there is
There is no way to truth
Rebirth: The inner wheel we endlessly peddle as we move from one desire, one hate, one grief ..one thaught.etc etc etc... to the next. Dependent Origination it's called, and it's what MY Buddha meant by "rebirth." We have many thousands of daily rebirths" that guarantee a powerful freedom.
What? English please
@@guitarvorous ???? Perhaps you should think as you read...or learn to read English
@@johnhw6068 people will believe anything as long as it gives them peace of mind. Regardless of being true or not. You cant proof what was before life and after death so you can go believe anything. People are so full of shit. From oblivion we come to oblivion we go, apparantly.
@@guitarvorous You cant proof what was before life and after death so you can go believe anything.?? Without evidence, I'm unable to believe anything. I admire Buddhism because it's a PHILOSOPHY/PSYCHOLOGY that doesn't demand faith.
@@johnhw6068 This is not a very compassionate response.
I think that the self in Advaita Vedanta for example is ultimately the same that no self in Budddhism
Yes. Had India accepted Buddha, he would've been regarded a vedic sage.
Excellent. Short and to the point. In the Abidharma texts, it is mentioned the Alaya or Eighth Consciousness as the Store Consciousness, much like the storage of a computer drive whereby under certain conditions like when we input a specific keystroke, a part of the computer drive or data is accessed and so in the next life certain parts of the Alaya Consciousness will ripen when meet with conditions
Cannot believe you discard atman but believe something continues
You have zero understanding of atman
Desire, habits and fear continues . Atman or brahman is only one, different body doesn't contain different Atman.
@@harshagrawal2851 you are mistaking atman with paramatman
@@rahul45897 According to the theories given by realised beings that's what liberation is , when you got to know your true nature that you are brahman or paramatma, you get liberation from Maya(illusion) or dwaita (duality). If you say atma and paramatma is different then it's dwaita or maya .
@@harshagrawal2851Buddha did believe in a soul which is not permanent and not mine or an individual soul. Otherwise we would get too attached to our personal soul and would try to preserve it at any cost. But he said Atma or soul is more like a process or continuation of Chetnas or consciousness. But when you achieve Nirvana that process of soul or consciousness transforms. So when we are reborn a similar atma or consciousness is born but not the exact one like before. It’s like the flame of candle is not continuous but a series of wax drops but not exactly of the identical type but similar. Listen to Dr Sinha’s explanation.
When you wake up the next day there is still the mind in its absolute purity which reflects all these memories and appearances, and there is still the ignorance which does not recognize this pure mind but thinks of the memories and thoughts as coming from a real absolute self.
It is the same when this body dies, this pure buddha-nature mind carries its ignorance of itself along and this is what propels the mind into its next life. When this mind has finally recognized its own nature completely then it becomes a buddha, and then it no longer is propelled into another life, then it can choose to be born in a body anywhere in the universe in order to lead other minds to liberation from this ignorance.
Happy first day of Saga Dawa: the birth, enlightenment, and passing of the Shakyamuni Buddha! May we all become buddhas by realizing our own buddha-nature.
@@heinmolenaar6750 When your mind finally wakes up it sees that there is nothing to be seen. That is purity.
@@heinmolenaar6750 Seeing that the solid self-image is a construction made out of parts of the mind, seeing this not as mere intellectual knowing but as actual experience. Seeing the mind as empty clear appearances without a separate observer and an observed. That leads to partial waking up.
@@heinmolenaar6750 practice!
@@heinmolenaar6750 That's an interesting and good observation.
And in my Zen school we talk about Amala Vijnana or Pure consciousness sometimes called “Clear Light” that goes on a very long time but is not impermanent because nothing is. It can just conceptually seem impermanent due to how long it is considered to go on for.
Such a consciousness can also seem to go on for a very long time, but in reality it can only last for a second.
In other words, if my understanding is correct, as long as one sees ones selves as an unique and a separate individual one keeps coming back. That would probably be the discriminating mind. Karma has a lot to do with that. Through meditation, and introspection over countless lifetimes that vision of one's self will dissolve. Kind of like an iceberg in the ocean. As Buddha implied in the Diamond Sutra, we all get there in the end.
I believe one can still see one's self as unique but not ultimately separate.
Variety is the spice of Experience.
It's all an illusion. It's a concept. Who sees the one seeing? That one is already free. :)
The illusion is thinking we actually ever left O.O because where exactly are we to begin with?
@@xirogs 0.0 is a concept. And this to is a concept. One has to not look beyond, one must look before. Before what? Before anything that can be conceived of by mind.
One keeps coming back not just because one sees oneself as a self, but one comes back cos based on the self, one has desires, clinging, attachment ... setting the wheels of Dependent Origination countless times each day
There is no time. All is happening now. No coming, no going...there is no one to come nor nowhere to go! Its all an illusion. Every millisecond is a new "big bang" 😍❤🙏
@@heinmolenaar6750 there is no others! And it's not "my reality" it's truth🙏
@@heinmolenaar6750 I have experienced it by myself and I found out that whoever experienced it says the same truth because there is only one truth so I don't believe it I know it🙏
@@heinmolenaar6750 I have been living in the present/eternal now for over fourty two years? Is there a any other "time" that we can exist other than present?
@@heinmolenaar6750 I was never born and will never die! I'm not my self conciousness! I'm an eternal being experiencing life in this body at this moment of eternity. I AM undefinable, unborn, indestructible... whatever "you" say about "me" it's not me! I'm beyond the mind, body and consciousness. I'm in everything but nothing is me! I'm everywhere but can't be found anywhere🙏😍
@@heinmolenaar6750 I wrote all the books ever been written👍
It sounds like he doesn’t know either. Nobody knows. If someone tells you that they know… they aren’t being truthful to you. ❣️
Theres some information we are forbidden to bring with us in this plane
"it has been said...". Is a qualifying statement that indicates what follows is NOT from personal experience.
I can't claim with any authority that NO BEING can ever know and if they "claim to know", they are just lying.
But the whole point of Buddha's teachings is to assist you in finding out for yourself.
It is understood within the tradition that there is the perception of sentient beings, those on the path (who have gained some insight through practice) and fully accomplished Buddhas (the three visions). What the Khenpo is teaching would be a combination of the teachings of the second two: the words of the Buddha and of those with insight on the path.
Indeed there’s a lot of fakes out there, and there’s an internal tradition to assess a teacher and their teaching before adopting it.
I kind of thought that. His reasoning is circular and if there are different schools, there is no consensus.
That's not necessarily correct. Truth is simple but appears purposely complex. The question is "why". Why would one appear complex/diverse/differentiated to itself? Could it be so that it is not good for One to be alone?
I think this can comprehensively be answered by someone who has real understanding of all schools of Indian Philosophy, since this question was at heart of debates back in the day between various schools. Proponents on all sides have tackled this question in different ways, prominent would be Vedanta and Buddhism. While Vedanta admits "Atman" as subtle body being reborn, Buddhists call it mere consciousness and negate it.
@Vajrapani Soul is an extension of ego?, what philosophy is that. Osho is no authority on any school whatsoever.
@Vajrapani your statement reflects your mind, you've learnt from UA-cam and hence Osho to you is an authority. Authority is someone who is master in his own field, what does Osho believe in. He talked about everything but in the end he negated everything, best you can argue is he believed in nihilism or sunyavada but far from an authority.
@Vajrapani get hold of yourself, you're seething in your comment. What is Osho philosophy and how is it different from any of philosophies which existed before him. Sunyavada is translated as nihilism, don't compare Western definition cause that won't change the concept that sunyavada is. You won't get away by acting confused and lost neither.
@Vajrapani all you have in your defence is "you're new to philosophy" you aren't bringing anything substantial to the table. Just a bunch of UA-cam wisdom is all. Read up a bit more before you engage in a discussion. Eastern or western concepts don't always have an equivalent in the other.
@Vajrapani OOPS you started it read the comments again, and you're mirroring your psyche cause you got no arguments, whatever happened to Osho I wonder. Did I ever say I'm supporting any philosophy? and again you come here with you're seething mind pressing the issue. That's indicator of YT mind cause you attention span is just few seconds.
Thank you Bhanteji, yes it's mind only which is capable of traveling from one life to another because it is non physical and illusory which is created in us for temperory protective measures of self, but because of delusion we think it is real. We hold on to the matters of mind, thereby pushing it to our next existence.❤❤❤ ❤..
Consciousness in Sanskrit is vijñāna. It means literally in two parts (vi) knowing (jñāna) or you could even say dichotomous knowing. Always beings are divided, that is, perceiver and perceiving. Bodhi transcends perceiver and perceiving therefore it transcends consciousness and rebirth. When a man and a woman cohabitate and the woman conceives there are three elements: the male chromosome, the female chromosome, and consciousness. Consciousness-to-be-reborn is like a radio signal that is picked up by the new DNA which contains a fractal antenna. Your a human body is like an avatar in a video game it is not the player but a simulacrum of the player.
Where did you get this information? Sounds very thumb-sucked to me. Sorry to be offensive.
So there is discrete consciousness but you are not that?
Don't know where you got the second half of that.
Wonderful to see Jorden-la!!! Some friends and I were talking about this very topic today, and then this showed up on my feed this evening.
Thank you so much!
@Pine Joi I'll answer in reverse order:
1) "Buddhism is nonsense" either says you are frustrated in your learning or that you are not really interested in Buddhism. If you are not interested, then it's ok. Hopefully you find something that is helpful to you. If you have given Buddhism a legitimate shot and don't find it useful, then it is better to ignore it and find something that helps you. The Dalai Lama says essentially this:
tay in your family's tradition, and take what, if anything, is valuable from Buddhism. I will note that we know that being more aware of your mind and mental processes can bring better mental health (something modern social and neural psychology has shown rather definitively).
If you would like to learn more but find various on-line videos less helpful, then you might try other resources. It can be hard jumping in, because there is so much to learn and so many often conflicting "introductions." I don't know that I have any great recommendations, though there is a nice little book called "What the Buddha Taught" that I read many years ago. The Dalai Lama's "Beyond Religion" is a non-religious way in to ethics, where he takes what he feels is universal from Buddhist tradition. I enjoy Bob Thurman's podcasts, but I don't know that those are so good for everyone --- a class with him could be very good, though. Perhaps a class or meeting a couple teachers 1-on-1 would help answer your questions.
2) I do learn from these videos! I had the privilege of learning from Jorden-la when he and I were in graduate school (I in Computer Science at MIT, he in religion at Harvard) which is part of the joy of seeing him here so many years later. I enjoy these little snippets and find a little to take away from each one. However, I think it helps to have some prior exposure. I have a little, though I'm no expert.
The Buddha definitely taught that there is no "ultimate you" independent of other things and other causes (the so-called "no-self" or sometimes "no-soul" doctrine, _anatma_ in Sanskrit): You are ultimately a relative being, but thinking otherwise is deeply ingrained and causes you to suffer. This does NOT mean you aren't "real" or that you don't exist: you just don't have a fixed, independent, uncaused "you"-ness. You are definitely real, just not in the way most of us think. He also accepted re-incarnation, as pretty much everyone did at that time and place. In fact, part of his enlightenment process involved recalling all his previous lives, and the earliest Buddhist sculptures show stories from these previous lives. Scholarly people have been trying to put these ideas together for well over 2,500 years!
I had no expectation that a 5 1/2 minute video would provide a definitive answer, and the explanation here is a take on explanations I have heard before. I liked hearing what he had to say, though --- it supports a certain point of view about re-incarnation as a "temporal-causal continuum" of some process.
I'll try to offer some thoughts, from an amateur. If you think this is all a big crock, then please ignore me and move on. It's easy to see that our living in the world has effects, including effects on others. After your (current) life ends, the effects of your actions here (and the effects of the effects of the effects,...) will continue. Forever. You will never not have been here, so what you did will live on many forms. Forever. It therefore is reasonable to take a long (even infinite) view of the repercussions of how you act and what you do now. For example, being kind to one person may help their mood, and may in turn ease the lives of those who later interact with the person you were kind to. You don't need to debate the existence or nature of a soul to get that.
If you can imagine that some notion of "you," which is what this video was about, might possibly continue after death, then it makes those future effects seem more real. For example, if you take care of the environment, then a future you, if there is such a thing, will benefit; if you don't, the future you, if any, will pay the price. So, even if you don't believe in any kind of reincarnation, it can be a thinking "what-if" tool in your big decisions: "If I do X, how would I feel if a I myself in some other form had to live with the result?" If I pour some heating oil in my back yard, it may hurt my children, my neighbors, the animals that come through and potentially their children, etc. If I were reborn here as an animal or person, it may hurt me, too. Even if you don't believe in reincarnation, it's a way to help you take the consequences of your actions more seriously. (Just as psychologists found that showing people images of themselves modified to look older helped people identify with their future selves when making health decisions.)
Again, I'm an amateur and there is no need to listen to me. Since you watched the video and seem frustrated, I thought I would offer a couple thoughts.
I will also say from personal experience that Ngawang Jorden is a kind and dedicated teacher as well as an extremely knowledgeable, deep thinking person. I have nothing but respect and affection for him.
@@masheldon well put, it's amazing to see people from the west discuss core buddhism like this, i come from an older generation where i saw a weird fascination of westerners in buddhism when they knew very little of it and were only interested because of it's magical stories, but these days people from the west have a better understanding of the dharma than most of tibetan stock. 🙏🏼 May you become a buddha for the benefit of all beings 🙏🏼
@Pine Joi if you were truely curious, you'd put more effort in finding your answers. ☺️
@@bladvagsrgyallo2053 Thank you so much! It means a lot if you think I got any of this right. Please correct me when I get things wrong! I'm trying to learn. Buddhism offers so much to the world, and the great thinkers in these traditions are still too unknown in the west. The huge store of profound and useful information and techniques that have been preserved and expanded in Tibet is truly overwhelming. But, if I can get a little here and little there, I hope I can put it to use and help others.
It is challenging for a westerner, but the situation is much better now than 40 or 50 years ago. More Buddhist teachers have learned English and other European languages and many have spent time in the west. Many dedicated westerners are only now brining back the understanding from their decades of study. I'm thinking of Robert Thurman, Pema Chodron, Matthieu Ricard. There are a lot of books, and His Holiness the Dalai Lama has a miraculous ability to distill things for everyone and also give profound insights into the most complex material. The secular success of mindfulness-based stress reduction benefits so many and also sometimes draws people into the source of that knowledge. I think the Dalai Lama's efforts to create a non-religious curriculum in secular ethics to teach children how to manage their own hearts and minds is desperately needed today.
Again, thank you so much, and I hope that you, too, will soon be a buddha! 🙏🙏
@@masheldon i remember prof thurman when he visited Ladakh for the Kalachakra empowerments, a very knowledgeable and wise man, a very good practitioner. I whole heartedly agree with you, the grounds for developement of dharma is strong in the west now as prophesied by the lotus born master.
Agreed! Only our Consciousness infused with our Karma ( Good or Bad ) travel to our next lives ... That's why All Buddhas & Mahabodhisattvas taught us to Cleanse our Mind & Practice Good Karma & Stay Away from Committing Bad Karma , so we will have a Good Rebirth & Transformation in our Next Life! 🙏 Thank You So Much His Holiness for this Valuable Teaching! 🙏 NÅMÖ ÅMÏTÅBHÅ BÜDDHÅ 🙏 ÖM MÅNÏ PÅDMÈ HÜM 🕯🌷🌿🌍💖🕊
there is no next life, only life. there isn't even "YOU" to begin with.
Many thanks to Ven Khenpo Jorden for trying to explain rebirth in a no-self Buddhist worldview. Bringing in ālayavijñāna into normal discussion is not easy... 🙏🏾
Hope to see many more such topics...
Sad to see the unnecessary sanatan dharma, advaita, J Krishnamurthy etc trolling...
if you look deeply, the differences are minor and the goal is similar..
@@meagoodwoman
If you look deeply,both paths are opposite. advaita looks good only on paper
Why are you hating on Sanatana Dharma? We have many similar concepts. Personally I've found it easier to relate to Atman and Brahman but this video was interesting too
J krishnmurti explained it way better than him
@@VBL16 can you elaborate how both paths are opposite?
Energy is neither created nor destroyed but transforms. Basic physics. The “self” is but a thought; the conscious energy that animated our body (that which allowed for our brain to think the thought “self”) continues on.
It is NOT that there is no self; it is that THERE IS ONLY ONESELF.
And yes... One's purpose is LOVE.
There is no self or SELF in Buddhism. Buddhism is not Hinduism.
@@bobaldo2339 All is One and the same and any differentiation is but Self conceived and perceived so Self could experience Companionship itself. Knowing this is Ananda which is why Ananda is the eternal companion of Buddha-hood or Buddha-consciousness. Don't let your mind trick you that all this is not Self. It is not that there is no Self. It is that there is only ONESELF. The purpose of Maya/Lila is LOVE. Blessings.
@@waldwassermann Whatever story helps you is fine.
@@bobaldo2339 Paths appear many but truth is one. - Rig Veda. Buddha literally means Ein Licht or One Light or One Self. Blessings.
Ha! (He doesn't give up his "Self" very easily!) Have fun.
I'm a lifelong Buddhist. If there is one aspect of the teachings that have confused me so much, it is the idea of non-self. Anyway, I saw a video recently by Ajahn Somano who was asked the question where/what is the self? He replied that he'd been searching for a self to actually find out if there was one, and commenting, "Because there was never anybody here in the first place!"
Nah, the self or identity is constantly changing there fore there is no (permanent) self. Like the river, never being the same river. There is no reincarnation either, so don't worry about that either.
I've mostly come to that conclusion at this last stage of my life. What's left is programming from birth. People are running on automatic.
@@farmerjohn6526 How can you just declare that there is no reincarnation. You do not know - and neither do I.
@@wordscapes5690 I suppose I am being arrogant to make such a claim. I don't see any point in the idea of Reincarnation, and I don't see any real evidence to support it. I think it gives people either fear or hope for their future life, something similar to Christian hope of a good after life, or fear of the bad after life. Both do not contribute to a person in the here and now, dealing with their need for happiness and living correctly today. The other down side is when folks come along and claim to be the reincarnated Buddha or whatever they claim. There is not way to prove it or not as you say.
@@farmerjohn6526 There is a very strict process to the reincarnation selection of bodhisattvas. People do not just declare themselves buddhas. Besides, that is only one branch of Buddhism. It is not necessary to believe in reincarnation to practice Buddhist meditation. However, once you practice it correctly, you very often (but certainly not always) begin to reach certain conclusions from your experiences while meditating. If you are practicing meditation to "escape" reincarnation or to "gain" a better birth, there is simply no way you will achieve either of those goals, as they involve desire and "clutching" - so to suggest that people behave well, or believe in reincarnation in order to get a better birth, is a contradiction.
Vedanta was correct. Just accept it and move on.
I guess tbh it was just a simplified version of Buddhism if you don't want to scratch your mind by digging deeper.
@@manaspratimdas707no never, it existed way before buddha himself in the upanishads.
@@Eternal00211 Upanishads were written during and after Gautam Buddha so there is no chance that Vedanta existed before Buddha.
The eternal what some call God was alone or one and desired to be many..... in order to enjoy the delight of self discovery as God ascended back to itself through the successive stages of evolution.
This makes more sense. Can you speak more on this?
@@heinmolenaar6750 Yeah, you have all the answers Mr. Master keeper of all secrets and knowledge.
@@lostsoul1342 Hi Bobby. More important than opinions or philosophy is direct perception. When most look at things, they look with there egoic mind identity made up of all your experiences of this life time, a few have access to other lifetimes. All the pains and pleasures. But since they have not experienced everything, their knowledge will not be whole. The egoic mind categorizes, judges, brings in duality, causes our suffering and separates us from each other, God and direct perception. When you react with let's say anger, lust or whatever, that is your egoic mind. But in reality, we are not this body or egoic mind, just connected with them for this life. To realize your true self or spiritual nature is the exact reverse process of creation. That's were meditation comes in. Your spiritual self is supposed to be in charge working thru your mind body, not the ego running it most of the time. To understand this better, I will copy what I just responded to someone. "We all want to be happy. If you get attached to anything that changes, you invite suffering unto yourself. What in the external world, including egoic mind identity does not change!? Thats the beauty of detachment you spoke about, and not relying on externals for happiness. You see the dead end of such a thing, for what it is.
The egoic mind is what categorizes, judges, brings in duality, causes our suffering and separates us not only from each other, God within and direct perception. The ego cannot control the ego, but it can be observed thru the higher non dual self. Like observing something for the 1st time, so no judgements or experience, so no time. How I one day realized this. I found myself in one of my greatest depressions of my life, but being a meditator and often focusing on my 3rd eye and or 7th charkra, I found that part of me was just observing this without emotion, and I realized that it was my judgements and comparisons of my life now (death in family, health problem, and money) to what it was in happier times that was causing my depression! That realization along with knowing it was not helping the situation caused my depression to instantly leave, replaced with peace. I thanked God for this realization and instantly I felt great love and bliss in my heart area and beyond which then shot up to the top of my head and beyond. I also noticed my mind has been a lot more silent since then. It's the space in between thoughts many artists get inspiration or others intuition. We are here to awaken from our illusion of separateness." Sorry I did not answer what you wanted, but I felt this more important for now.
@@yuewenb Direct perception! Inner gnosis! Yes. Namaste!
@@yuewenb thank you for taking time to respond. Your words are very true. Many will never come to these realizations. Always look within. I'm glad that you are able to find peace inside of you for me become too late. I am too far into the darkness.
It’s because. There is a soul. That’s It.
To answer the question: It is a stream of consciousness that is reborn. That stream does have a temporary illusion of self. It is a temporary phenomenon. It does not have a real self, only an illusion, a temporary one, and a very short one, for that matter. It is like physical life, but one level higher, one level of many. But as physical life, it also ends and transcends into the next level. It all ends at the last level. Ultimately, there is only Brahman, and the cycle of night and day. Brahman does not have a self as such, although it might be considered to be the one and only self, but it does not have any notion of self, although it does create beings out of itself, which do have a notion of self.
Mind is the karma container until the seeds it holds are burned in the fire of infinity. What is left is truth.
The basic teachings of Sanatana Dharma ("Hinduismus") is that the spirit soul (aka consciousness) is different from the body. The body is gross material energy and the mind, the ego and the intelligence are made from subtle material energy. But either are not us. We falsely misidentify with these things. We are spirit souls. Getting free from this entangling material energy and misidentification means liberation. Unfortunately we are so engrossed in material energy in this world that we don't even know our true self (spirit). That's why there is racism, sexism, etc. People don't know that they are spirit souls. They think they are the body and the mind. If you would like clear information without speculation please read Srila Prabhupada's books. It changed my life and it will probably change yours also :) Bless you all xoxo
Thanks for this explanation. Loving kindness to you.
Is it in English ?
@@TonyTony-je8tc yes, most of Prabhupada's works are available in English, as the founder of ISKCON he spent much of his life in the West and specifically in America spreading the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita and of Sri Caitanya in particular. I would recommend finding any translation of the Gita you can and reading that first, since Prabhupada in his translation adds a great deal of explanatory material that might be difficult or distracting for your initial reading of the text. Best of luck my friend.
@@heinmolenaar6750 Love is Krishna, Krishna is Shiva, Shiva is nothing.
This notion of rebirth is not an effective explanation, but simply a reference to old concepts and the reinforcement that “its accepted” by all schools, with further reference to a mysterious higher level of consciousness above the 6th. The reality is no one really knows, so make the best of your life you can by practicing the Buddhist core concepts and helping others. If there is a rebirth, so be it.
As science develops it is beginning to prove that consciousness does exist in a form without spatial dimensions and timeline. Some of us relate to this as spirit. Quantum physics has already laid the grounds for understand this state which some of us call it the sixth sense or dimensionless state. I think the string theory is getting closer to understanding all this as a science.I believe Buddhism will offer plenty of scope for further scientific insight into these dimensionless concepts
whats your thought on predestination
It has, is and will contribute a lot to science. Watch the series of mind and life conferences with the Dalai Lama and scientists. It's quite interesting.
Not really on the quantum physics thing and string theory is not well developed, but yes I agree Buddhism is good.
These all believe but Buddha never talked about Aatma (soul)nor rebirth and no god.
His whole focus is on self awakening knowing you self and and world and how to get away from all kinds suffering and attachment
And make man Nobel, moral and ethical and full of humanity
Bruh NO, he kept quiet on the god thing, he didnt reject god. He made a path in which there wont be need of external entity called god.
Thank you Sir.
I am a well Buddhist inspired person, but as far as I have understood, way before Siddhartha's appearence even its faded there was a concept of soul and how important it was described in many places . Even other religions too...So as a seeker of truth and reality how could one deny the other and accept juat because his/her own mind didn't accept...I think if we look deeper with more effort we will get some light
I have previous lives whose experiences I remember, but only slightly.
It's all very mundane. I don't have past lives of being a prince or a space alien that I recall.
I remember being an ant, and how proud we were of working together.
Was a young girl in Haiti. I don't think I lived very long there because there are no memories of her being older.
There are a few others as well.
It's funny because this was part of what led me to Buddhism. I needed answers to the questions these memories present.
But most of the answers I find in Buddhism do not address this, but they answer other things.
In the long run I find that I can't hold any kind of hate in my heart for other people or even other species.
I'm pretty sure I have been all these types of people and animals at some point in the past or the future.
I think it would be wise and according to Buddhism to stop projecting to what we cannot possibly know... Nobody alive knows for sure
This is the philosophical tradition of Mahayana Buddhism, it has its own methods of pramana/logic to ascertain what is knowable.
I believe this knowledge comes from Near death experiences and psychedelics. Ego deaths. You're able to tune into your true nature far more easily when your materialist story is put to sleep.
We can gleam things from at least knowing what the mind is in relation to the body. We can't know everything about other lives but the answer to "what is the mind" might give us a ballpark.
How can you speak for everyone?
Pretty presumptuous of you haha. Then bother same logic should be the same for all religious traditions right?
My new understandings of what many call 'God -The Holy Spirit' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE...
Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing. The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists. Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything. NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us. My autobiography explaining how I, and others I've told, have used this chant to successfully change our poisons into medicine titled: 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within', is now available at Amazon Books for 99 cents (the lowest Amazon allowed me to price it)
You can also read more about Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo in Tina Turner's new book: Happiness Becomes You -- or you can Google 'Let go and let God' by Olivia Newton-John.
How wise can a buddhist monk with bleached teeth be?
The real question is why do we believe that our actions can effect our next life (or whether or not we have one) when the goal is to let go?
Is it helping?
I’m not sure if “to let go” is a completely accurate summary of the “view”, and if we adopt the position of Nihilism that you’ve suggested here: that there are no effects from our actions (along a relatively existing continuum propelled by dualistic ignorance): then any purpose of a “spiritual path” is either rendered useless or it’s only purpose is one framed within reductive materialism.
Buddhists believe actions cause effects because we understand that things arise in dependence upon other causes, previous relatively existing moments (however this is not Ultimately real: see Emptiness/Shunyata).
For the same reasoning because effects emerge from causes, a mind must have a previous moment of existence, as we do not believe in the “emergence theory” that new things emerge without causes, especially that a mind could emerge out of matter (see dhatu’s in the Abidharma). Because we do not believe in ex-nihilo (without cause, or an immovable mover), there must be a prior moment of mine before the current (this also doesn’t resist the Ultimate analysis: which means, like actions/effect (karma), the mind is empty
Some people refuse to let go. Peering over the edge of the Void they fear to enter, fearing to lose their egos.
the buddha was very clear that enlightenment/emancipation meant liberation of the Soul/Self. to liberate the Self one must cease the cycle of rebirth (the Self being born into another self/individual empirical consciousness).. the Self turns away from objective rebirth and towards undisturbed subjectivity.
if the wrong information will be going around in circles the process will never stop mind is one but wrong views are plenty
Zen master Taisen Deshimaru used to say the what continues is the effect of our karma.
I never dream of the past, I dream only of the future. For the past is gone. But,One can never even exist, if there wasn't anyone before them.
@@heinmolenaar6750 Because you are so grounded, you wouldn't even know what any reality is. present or future. You think you are an animal? If the future has no reality, then what are you experienceing right now? Are you not the future of your Grand parents? You must be very young.
In Buddhism is in not a “hope” that mind consciousness continues but I law of nature. Like a river.
Great!!! bhante ji 🙏🏻💙
The early teachings of the Buddha were grounded in cause and effect. That's what karma/Vipakka is. Rebirth beyond life-spans isn't logical unless there is a cause and effect connection, without a cause and effect connection there is no ehipassiko, and therefore you can't see it and you can't prove it.
Rebirth from one-moment to the next within one's lifetime in a kind of ship of Theseus fashion is directly experienceable.
Consciousness goes on after your death in a very obvious way, it goes on in those that are still living. Like steam or flames go on somewhere in the world, after one instance of it goes out. One instance of steam/fire is actually made of many smaller instances and operations, so that's not so different from when it occurs in a different location. The same is rather similar with consciousness.
It is the store house consciousnesses or the sense impressions that are reborn. One could say it is the prior life experiences along with conditioning, it is that that is reborn.
I never was from earth my last birth , I came from the stars , and will be returning back after this life here , my job has been full filled here now on earth , the people I needed to communicate with has been done .
Why do you feel the need to share this? And how do you know?
@@heinmolenaar6750 would that you meant the cruelty of imprisoning animals. But you actually "think" animals are lesser than humans. You have no powers of observation, and nothing i can call a heart. Pity the ten dollar hooker that gets stuck with you. Ignorant hateful little man.
It sounds like you had some night dream while sleeping.
nice fanatsy concept but has nothing to do with reality
Control of rebirth will be a wonderful thing. Rebirth to a good-looking, smart, healthy, and long-living person. Then rebirth to animal. Then rebirth to anything free to choose. What an adventure and exploration. I predict in the near future Mind Uploading will be the controlled rebirth. No born, no death, just keep rebirthing to different sentient beings of different experiences.
You might as well ask who is born. The ultimate sense cannot be applied to the practical sense. In the ultimate sense, there is Self, but no self. In the usual or practical sense, there is rebirth of the individual. You can't use the ultimate teaching to negate rebirth in the usual sense--I think this is what is called a "category error."
4:21 onwards....Very similar to Vedanta / Upanishads. Those imprints (wasanas) are our tendencies that form our personality (karana sharira), which is the result of our past karma. The consequences of our past karma (prarabhda) also carry forward to the next life as do our karma sanchita (the proverbial piggy bank of paap (bad karma) and punya (good karma)).
Hindu here but I love Buddhism ❤️
Labels don't matter, but I may convert from Hinduism to Buddhism.
@@Aldarinn it's the same thing tbh
@@anonymousanonymous2319No,its core principles different & ultimate target is not the same.
@@chathurakapuge Moksha/Nirvana, Brahman/Sunyata, Dukka, Karma, Dharma ETC.
@@anonymousanonymous2319Nah they are quite different when it comes to actual philosophy, but similar on the surface.
" The Precious Human Birth is extremely rare, while Hell beings for instance, are said to be numerous as Atoms, Yidaks as the sands of the Ganges, Animals as snowflakes, and Gods of the higher realms as stars in the night sky, those having the Precious Human birth are said to be as rare as
daytime stars." -- From the book : Kalu Rinpoche " The Dharma"
Read this... Read it again and took it in... Wow... This really like, wow. So does this quote mean, that human birth (where we all are now) is an even higher form of re-birth than gods / heaven etc? Where do we go from a human life if it is at the top? Or am i confused? Thank you.
Your comment is woo-woo talk. Do you also believe in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny and Unicorns?
@@simbot4123 if this was to me, no i dont. However i certainly believe in "other things" and for a few years have taken a real interest in what happens after death. Strange comment to make really haha. As in, why on earth did you click on / watch this video when you clearly find it a load of rubbish? UA-cam is a very strange place!
@@richevandroo5041 please read kunzang lama-i zjal lung ( words of my perfect teacher is the english translation) human life is indeed valued very highly, thats why it is considered non-virtuous to commit s elf harm. Gods abide in blissfullness so they feel no need to practice the dharma untill it's too late. Rest of the beings are in too much suffering and obscurations to comprehend the dharma, humans have the right conditions to practice the dharma if one is fortunate to come accross it, hence the human form is considered supreme in the sense that we have the karmic conditions to be able to practice the path of the supreme buddha sakyamuni. 🙏🏼
@@simbot4123 mahayana buddhism is for the altruist not so much for cynics. There are inferential reasoning for all of this, people would believe in UFOs then they'd refute when someone actually says it out loud just for argument's sake while knowing the infinite possibilities that space holds. That's ignorance. Maybe you're an atheist, which is the starting point of basic buddhism.
People's fascination with the idea of rebirth can only be based on the desire to perpetuate ones individual existence. It is therefore meaningless in a truly Buddhist sense. As it is the case with all religions, their foundational scriptures are being interpreted in a way to find confirmation for ones own wishful thinking. According to Buddhist teaching there is ultimately neither an individual soul nor an individual self. Even the human mind is a product of conditioned arising and therefore not eternal. it is therefore utterly disappointing to hear even monks trying to explain the Buddhist dharma in a very human way instead of talking about the Truth, no matter how difficult it may be for the human mind to grasp it. There is a beautiful saying in the scriptures of another religion which refers exactly to this point. The supreme Being says: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways. As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
I couldn’t agree with you more. Very few people are actually interested in seeking the truth. Most people listen to all sorts of teachers in order to flatter their own ego, in the vain hope of reaping some personal benefit from some kind of obscure knowledge. I guess it is a matter of “many are called, but few are chosen”.
I can promise you that Buddhadharma doesn’t want to promote individual existence, many fear death, “the wise fear birth”.
Since life isn’t stable, often there is suffering, and if you’re lucky enough to have a mostly secure life, the uncertainty of it breeds anxiety. You’ll inevitability part from this life, unable to take this with you.
The subtly with which the Khenpo is speaking is to show how the basic idea in Buddhism, that actions have results, relates to the mind (one of the dhatu’s that make up what we see as an individual). Because things do not emerge without causes, (because we do not accept the position of emergence theory, nor of ex-nihilo), the mind must emerge from a previous state of mind. Yet, since this mind doesn’t withstand ultimate analysis (see Nagarjuna), it’s found to be empty of a self, and empty of truly exisiting. However, since it functions we will continue to experience the results of actions as long as remain within dualistic clinging and bound by ignorance.
What is Karma ? Is it detectable by the latest science ? How does it trace the target person for thousands of incarnations ?
This is good because it is simply expressed.
The problem with buddhism is that it has developed with two contradictory motivations. The first is the motivation, likely to have been of primary concern to Gautama, of personal liberation. The second was for the purposes of popular education and social control, that is buddhism as a church.
The buddhist church seems to have been well established by the time the Pali canon was written down. But this was hundreds of years after the buddha's death
What matters for any church is to provide some principle of cosmic justice. The doctine of the karma of a specific individual reincarnating in a "new" specific individual in the womb, does (this is open to dispute) provide a sense of justice whereby good and bad behaviour in this life find their reward or punishment after death.
And what we find in the Pali canon is accounts of the buddha being consulted by kings concerned for the rule of their subjects and teaching this religion of social discipline.
But this conflicts with the more esoteric teaching of personal liberation also presented in the canon. In this teaching, the concept of reincarnation makes perfectly good sense, but not formulated in the way the buddhist church would have it.
The point of the liberative
path, is that when you come to examine the mind, you find that it has no essence that can be described as "me" but is in fact a collection of( to a greater or lesser extent -integrated) functions which are all emergent properties of the universe. This includes the language comprising our self referent internal dialogue of "I statements". The meditator realises that the self is in fact universal and the ego, or set of self defining statements, is a delusion.
But what the meditator will also see, is the way that human society continually reproduces itself with much the same forms and issues all through its history. It does this because people maintain very similar egoic delusions which are reproduced as a collective
consciousness and passed down through the ages. This is similar
to Jung's archetypes. Also post Kantian proposals about "before the fact" mental constructions of perception, add an evolutionary dimension to it.
On this understanding, the individual plays their part in the cycle, the dharma wheel, and passes on the same forms of consciousness to the next generation. But there is no principle of individual justice. Bad behaviour by an individual will cause a child in the next generation to suffer, but that child is innocent in their suffering. (Personally I think childhood innocence is a more
progressive concept).
But this doesn't help a church because why does the malefactor care if people suffer after he dies? An individual is only going to be moral if he can see that it is the quality of universal emergence, not individual ego, that is central in human life and bad behaviour is mostly caused by the cycle of egoic delusion. The wrong doer will laugh at that because he can't see it and his wish to satisfy his desire overpowers him.
This conflict is the same in all religions.
Personally, I think the mahayana bodhisattva ideal is a recognition that no individual can be free unless everyone is free. As this can never happen, service in pursuit of liberation is the guide to ones action in life.
All of this however, would be deprecated by some conventional buddhism. In the end, if you are interested in this, you just have to find your own way through it and not get waylaid by a purported requirement from a clergy about what to believe.
@@Migouelin I would disagree with the statement that ego is the personality. Unlike the ego I find the personality to be inherent to the body/mind.
@@Migouelin I find your words puzzling. When you say "oneness feeling" it includes duality. The "oneness" and the "one" feeling it. I'm not sure oneness can be felt by anyone 🤷♂️
My two cents...
@@nikoglucina4173 In the Ultimate, the ONE feels/ experiences/ knows NO OTHER, as there is neither any Space/Place, Time or Object, which is Not the ONE ( like no part in your physical body exists, which you can say is NOT You). In that sense the Oneness is felt/ inferred by the One, there being No OTHER.
@@ramakrishnanpanchapakesan299 you are right
Buddhas has said that the soul exist
Buddhas also has said that soul don't exist
- nagarjuna
And this is just a contradictory statement and nothing else.
I still don't understand the difference between these 'minds' versus the concept of a soul . If you read the Bardo thodol it's the 'person ' who encounters all these beings and goes trough all the experiences. The personal 'me' is constructed by the brain, so one could argue it's the part that dies when the brain dies.
@@heinmolenaar6750 You project things i never said . I'm not talking about god, I'm just using the soul as a metaphysical concept.
I'm also not saying the brain creates consciousness.
The brain is what creates the ego out of past experiences and future expectations, feelings, thoughts, etc .We can proof that trough neurology. . 'The mind creates the personal identity , thus the ego . The mind is not consciousness. We can't find the mind in the brain trough neuroscience. And consciousness is that what's aware of the mind . It's not the mind .
@@heinmolenaar6750 Using all caps doesn't make it more true. You can repeat the same Buddhist theories, but i know them inside out. That's not what i'm questioning. It's about the confusion around terminology . 'Mind ', Ego , etc are subjective concepts . We only truly know we are conscience. That's a mystery for Western science. We do know that there are Genetic influences .neurological influences, trauma etc that create a personality. Karma is a theological concept. That's fine, but where is Karma 'stored' ? One can't just say 'the mind 'reincarnates. What 'mind' ?
soul = spirit
Moitry Buddha I m SAKHAN.
Approved by angel and text.
But why no body know it?
I should start a website soon
Need debate with Buddhist philosophers
The best I would guess
Is consciousness or life energy. Whatever it is that keeps you being.
But i dont think anyone knows.
Even if there are multiple lives what does it matter
If you can’t remember cuz there is no continuity.
Consciousness is like water in a steam locomotive
It spent as steam it goes back to the sky falls as rain and it is used again in another steam driven machine.
Locomotive, submarine etc
Those machines are all the
Water’s lives but would it know if water was sentient?
it matters not there are many lives but this one is the only one you have as yourself thats it.
Dont be like me… enjoy it
Without hurting anyone
So the soul does continue on. Thanks for the clarification
The 5 aggregates, ego, body, intellect and the mind should not be confused with the true self.
but then the store consciousness is permanent, so there is a soul and therefore there is a permanent self ..... can you explain It better?
Nirvana end the cycle
Alaya vijñana *is not a "soul",* it isn't a substance neither posses identity, it is only the substratum where all karmical imprints are stored. That conscience is not permanent neither. AV It's not even the fundamental nature of sentient beings, that is *Thatagatagarba.*
@@buddhistphilosopher800 so the buddhist believe in a kind of soul that is susceptible to change and is always transforming...? And is eternal?
I dont understand why there must be a substrate that continues. The self is a phenomenon emergent from causes and conditions (inhabiting a body, mind and interacting in an enviroment), therefore being inherently empty. I understand the idea of no-self and may have experienced glimpses of it in deep states of meditation. But I dont understand why buddhist are advocates of rebirth. It's a claim with no proof. Karma and rebirth are probably the most superstitious claims of buddhism but actually can "make sense".
Karma explains causality in the universe and rebirth explains how something comes from nothing, because it comes from something.
@@rohlay00 I cannot answer you at once, for some reason youtube erase my coment again and again. I tried to splitted in two and it was erased again. Now I splitted in three.
@@rohlay00 Substrate consciousness is not a "type of soul." The notion of soul is accompanied by the idea of substantiality, independence, and permanence. Alaya-vijñana lacks these three characteristics.
The self is not a phenomenon, it is a delusion, a mirage, a deceive of the mind itself due to the psychic process of identification with the body, thoughts, emotions, and the apparent integrity in an individual that these phenomena seem to have. There is not and will never be a "self".
If you achieve liberation how would that work? Wouldn’t you still be reborn since all is one? How can awareness be liberated and reborn at the same time?
You can only be re born if you have a mind, it's the mind that is born again. A Jnani who has become liberated has no mind left, so can not take another birth. The entire universe, including heavens and hells are all illusion / dream like. When you wake up from the dream, you realise nothing ever existed, you were and always will be that formless infinite deathless Self. The illusion of form is ignorance in Maya.
@@FragranceView The mind is not the consciousness in itself.
Brother is little out of context as per buddhism philosphy. Its more aligned to hindu and other religions philosphy of soul and spirit and god.
Buddhism is much simple and deeper. Buddha talked of the matter forming up human body having being gone through numerous transformations. Its like we eat meat, the day before it was a walking chicken. The matter taking different forms is being spoken. Its governed by laws of nature and no supreme superhuman called God. Buddha main focus was to end human suffering through mind which due to fear of unknown makes the collected matter(body) to suffer in its existence. Body is just manifestation of Cosmic energy. Thats why even Einstein while correlating mass and energy referred to Buddhism as Atheism.
Namo buddha🙏
Reincarnation is like a memory rising to the level of consciousness. Memories combine to form new memories, return to unconsciousness, and arise when conditions are right.
Is your statement based on personal experience or on hearsay?
@@1210CM personal experience, thanks for asking 🙏🏼
The unconsciousness is a theory found only is European Psychology and is not present in Buddhadharma.
The alayavijnana spoken of here isn’t the subconscious
@@heinmolenaar6750 are you not a summation of your memories?
@@DanielMByron the Dharma has been forgotten. Unconsciousness and Emptiness are synonymous. Does not everything arise from Emptiness and return to Emptiness?
When I accended to the most high, all life accended with me, and I seen a naked earth. This earth is the only true physical existance, We are spirits. Our spirits use this physical earth to manifest a physical presence. With out this earth, no one could dream of being a human. The knowledge our spirits needed to manifest this physical presence came from one source. The one who gave us life.
@@heinmolenaar6750 Just because you are deficient of true compassion, and can no longer feel the truth. Does not mean all of mankind chose to be demons.
@@heinmolenaar6750 You are the one who chose to follow those who claim authority, and now you can not understand anything true or false. I chose to lead my own destiny, whereas you chose some other persons reality.
@@heinmolenaar6750 That is your ego extracting these thoughts. I ask for nothing, I did not claim authority. I am only giving my experiences, I have experenced. I know my future, I know the future of mankind. This is not something I took from another and repeated. You are very young, and your ego still blinds you. It is your own free will to choose what you want to believe. I chose to experience what I know. I know , you only believe. You lack the compassion to feel my intent.
@@heinmolenaar6750 lol. I will not debate with your chosen imagination. Experience is the only valid truth, all the rest is hearsay.
@@heinmolenaar6750 You do not experience reality, because you follow, when one follows , they are doing exactly what evil wants them to do. Nothing at all. When one finds God. Only evil knows, for mankind choose to believe liars, and are of no threat at all. You do not ecperience the spirit realms, because you chose to follow.
I can only say my own thoughts on the matter. In my view rebirth is reappearance of intelligence. Us personally may not rebirth but intelligence, conciousness of mind will reappear somewhere again in the Universe. Comprehension on the scope of the Universe may already appear elsewhere. In my views, rebirth is not of the self but of the kind.
You can also choose silence.
The question is . If we where not meant to be separate entities why did we incarnate in the first place. This is the question. Where do ghost come from? Where do spirits come from? The soul has been seen with MRI and things of that nature . What is that? When people die and they say they saw their body and came back , what is that? If there is no Soul . Why is this even a thing . This is a sorry excuse of not knowing
The answer imho is that there is no self - but neither is there any reincarnation.
The 8th mental consciousness in mahayana buddhism, which reincarnates carrying all the mental imprints to the next life (that the monk speaks in this video), is similar to what the Advaitins call the causal body, which too is a storehouse of mental imprints and reincarnates.
who are the advaitins ? can this be proven anyway or do we take it by faith as in big bang theory or black hole ?
@@tyreliouszukarious2582
Advaita is actually monism. To the advaitins, the total existence is One undivided reality. All the gods, living beings, planets, stars etc. are ONE and the same, in its deeper, absolute state. There is no difference between you, me or the gods in heaven in the ultimate/final state, but everything 'appears' to be separate which is an illusion. This illusory reality of separateness is due to ignorance called maya, which needs to be removed, so that we can percieve the 'oneness' underlying all beings and objects ... Advaitins are hindus. Unlike other hindu denominations, advaitins don't worship thousands of hindu gods. They stress on knowledge. Through learning and finally meditation, they try to seek the ONE infinite omnipresent spirit that pervades everything and is called Brahman, which to them, is their real eternal Self and not some separate deity or God.
Unlike other hindu denominations which believes in multiple souls or selves, Advaita teaches that there is only ONE Self in all of creation called Brahman, which is infinite and all-pervasive, which has pervaded and animated all the worlds and bodies.
As a student of advaita you'll have to go through their teachings and scriptures at first. They allow healthy debates and discussions. After your learning period is over, you'll be encouraged to meditate and seek the eternal infinite Self (Brahman) for yourself. They don't stress on dogmas and faith. They rather stress on actual realization or experience of this infinite Self.
Such an experience comes during a meditative trance like state called samadhi.
According to the masters, the experience of Self/Brahman in samadhi cannot be proven or described later to the outer world, because in samadhi, the mind stops functioning (like how it usually functions in the waking world). The mind becomes mute (cessation of all thoughts). When this happens, the mind/ego stops identifying itself as the 'seeker' or as a separate creature.
During this state, the subject and the object becomes ONE.
The subject (seeker) and the object (Brahman/the infinite Self/Totality) becomes one. There remains no sense of distinction between the two. And this is enlightenment. :=)
@@bigfootvalley4480 I thank you for your replay in detail. It was very helpful. I'm sure whoever reads this will gain a good understanding as well. Do most hindus practice meditation to the level of Oneness in this life ? or just the gurus who achieve it? To me , it sounds challenging and scary to try and meditate to the point of no thought and breathing and face death just to practice.
@@tyreliouszukarious2582 Well, most hindus (the common folks) are image and idol worshippers. They practice the path of bhakti (love, devotion and in some cases rituals as well) which are directed towards a separate creator God. They either pray to their chosen deity in temples or in a small home based shrine. Most common hindu folks are not aware of the path of oneness (advaita). And those who are aware find it difficult to practice, since meditation is not an easy task. If something goes wrong during meditation it can cause psychosis. This is why meditation should be practiced under the guidance of a guru ... Moving on ... The intellectual hindus on the other hand, who are fewer in number, don't like the path of bhakti (love, devotion, rituals, idol worship etc.) They rather prefer reading scriptures like Upanishads, discussion and meditation on the infinite Self or Oneness.
Yes, for people like you and me, it can seem a little scary at first, but upon proper enquiry or online reasearch you'll know that no one actually dies from meditating on oneness. What really happens is that, after samadhi/enlightenment, the veil of ignorance/maya will be removed. After that you will continue to live a normal daily healthy life, but you'll stop recognizing with your false ego.
The false ego (which is a product of maya/ignorance) creates separateness, racism, hatred, negativity, superiority, inferiority, ideas like - this is mine, that is yours etc. etc.
As i said earlier, after enlightenment, once the veil of maya/ignorance (and its product, the false ego) is removed, the person connects to its higher nature which is full of wisdom, love, compassion and unity.
...If you're interested you can register for free on religiousforums.com where we can discuss more. My name is Greg. I'm a member there.
:=)
@@bigfootvalley4480 Hello and Thank you ! Greg. I'll sign up and hope you catch you there as well. very interesting indeed. One last question before I let you go if you don't mind :) you said .."upon proper enquiry or online research you'll know that no one actually dies from meditating on oneness." different from the one with a potential for psychosis ? is their approach different from the general mindfulness breath meditation or vipasana alike, which are known to be ok ?
Anatta is a complicated, confusing, and difficult teaching of Buddha because Buddha never discovered the true self. Buddha did discover a lot about what the self was not. When Buddha talked about what the self is not, he was clear and not confusing because he understood what he was saying. “Everything that can be said can be said clearly.” -Ludwig Wittgenstein “If you cannot explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough.” -Albert Einstein
Well very confusing; just to deny existence of Soul they come up with consciousness as the mode of reincarnation but based on Hindu karmic philosophy;
0:00 It is the continuation of the mind-stream. 'Self' is merely the perception which separates from 'other'.
@@heinmolenaar6750 Karma propels uncontrolled 'rebirth' in Samsara. 'Reincarnation' is NOT 'rebirth'. 'Reincarnation' is the DELIBERATE taking of rebirth by highly realized beings. This deliberate 'reincarnation' is not propelled by karma, but 'voluntary'. So yes the 'involutary' propulsion can be 'turned off'.
@@heinmolenaar6750 You don't 'step out' of the mindstream to cross the ocean of Samsara. You cross it in a current lifetime. Once you've crossed it, you are no longer bound to uncontrolled 'rebirth'. You now 'reincarnate' VOLUNTARILY to continue your work. Then when your work is finished, no more incarnations.
Are there no new souls being created?
Has modern neurology recognised the existence of the 7th and 8th consciousnesses ?
Whatever takes the consequences of one life into another is the self.
You can call it by another name but what’s the difference?
It’s me. It’s my reward or punishment 🤷♂️
No dogma. One has to know onees, thus will know for self. ❤
Another way to say it is that the citta, with its 'defilements', is what continues on.
No?
Ty.
Thank you 🙏
The more sure one is of their answer to such a question, the less they understand.
Now every minute there is more human on the planet. Where do all those new souls come from?
There are no souls
@@valfosco Well whatever we suppose to incarnate into.
Devas, spirits, etc. Humans and animals aren't the only beings in this world.
What continues to exist, and reencarnates, is the unit of awareness which is aware to be aware. The identity which is the individual. Which is = YOU.
It carries with it the all the memories which is what the mind is composed of, hence, the mind. Including somatics, which sometimes manifest as pain -for exa.mple- or some other "abnormal condition" with "no knowable source"
You is relative, no you 😀
This presentation doesn’t resist analysis, so would be seen as empty on the ultimate. Also, amongst the dhatu’s there is no “you” within that bundle. There may be a mind, and if you’re suggesting the mind (or the reflexive awareness you’ve suggested) is the you/self, then you’d also have to find out how that can be so if the mind is subject to impermanence as well.
A lot of Buddhists would agree with you on this, but that you’d need to qualify it as impermanent and empty of self
@@DanielMByron
What you're talking about, is speculation, personal considerations, and beliefs.
What I'm talking about is first hand knowledge. Which is first hand experience in leaving the body.
You can (if you want) refer to ndes, or similar of which there are countless testimonies all over the world.
And I clearly stated the difference between the mind, and the self.
And there's no such a thing as "impermanence of the mind"
The being carries it's memories (the "storage unit" of those memories is what we call "the mind) with it from life to life. And it can access it by itself, or with help.
@@johnnymentero6313 great to hear about first hand experience.
Think you might be mistaking me a little: most Buddhists would agree that the mind dhatu, and the storehouse consciousness (alayavijnana) is what you’re speaking of: the subtle level of mind that can be experienced at death, and at certain levels of practice.
Buddhists, including those accomplished ones with similar experiences to what you’re saying just say the word “self” isn’t accurate. If in the moment of the NDE you could introspect to find the original source or essence of the mind, you would (with the right conditions) recognise that is empty of nature, yet still appears. Since there’s no essence, there’s no core/self to it, you’re free of grasping towards it which would keep you bound
@@DanielMByron
I consider that speculation, and mental gymnastics.
In my experience, the mind is the storage place of memories, which includes thoughts, thought processing, understanding, comprehension, learnings, and so on.
As you may realize, this includes the processing and understanding of the subject at hand.
NONE of this is the "self" the self is what carries all of that in, or as "a tools box" it uses to interact in different levels with the physical Universe.
The "self" is capable of *experiencing" and *causing* and it goes about it by *using all the tools* it has in its mind consciously, and/or unconsciously.
His holiness is equating mind with consciousness
I guess in buddhism consciousness is an aspect of the mind but in advaita vedanta (hinduism) consciousness which is brahman is different from the mind.
@@bigfootvalley4480 mind(jiva) is personality/ego which appears in pure nondual consciousness which is allpervasive one consciousness.
@@heinmolenaar6750 you need to study about nonduality or advaita vedant first to judge what i have said. you cant judge a language if you don't know how to read it.
@@heinmolenaar6750 I am talking about Advaita Vedanta and it is known as a siddhant which means its hypothetically proven theory.
"After the conversations about Indian philosophy, some of the ideas of quantum physics that had seem so crazy suddenly made much more sense" -- Wesner Heisenberg.
"I go into the Upanishads to ask question" -- Niels Bhor.
Nice. Seems to be the same as my belief - the only thing that transmigrates is the Vasanas. But, with no consciousness (or soul) attached to them, because there is only one consciousness.
wait, so the "we are all parts of the creator returning to the creator" idea?
@@rainynight02 The Creator, the Absolute has no parts.
@@robertjsmith
So we are all the entirety of creation. Or we are nothing at all.
🙄 Don't be obtuse you know exactly what I mean.
@@robertjsmith
That's what many monks have said, at the end of it we aren't real, we are nothing at all and we must unravel that.
Makes no sense to me.
But I'm going off of what you said, and there's only those two options is there can't be a "part" of anything. (Aka you being obtuse.) Then either every single person is the entirety of creation, or they're nothing at all.
That's the only logical continuation of what you said.
@@robertjsmith
Right, every person is all of existence.
Because that makes sense.
I don’t agree with reincarnation and past lives. Spirituality, it doesn’t provide any benefit to me and it doesn’t fit my world view. But i can appreciate how it can help others try to make sense of the world.
Great informative video thanks 👍
When you realize that you are a soul with a body and not a body with a soul your confusion will clear.
When you realise that the soul is also part of the illusion of maya, and there are no individual entities in the reality of the Self, your confusion will clear.
@@FragranceView yep :) lol. True I guess. Good one.
@@FragranceView You say “ when YOU realize that the soul…..” whom do you think is the “you”? My child, You cannot think yourself out of existence when the very thought you project in your reply is proof of your existence. What you are confusing is the relationship between the soul and the all eternal one mind. In this relationship the soul indeed is nothing more than an aspect-or as spiritually evolving Buddhists tend to call it-an illusion. Words. Words. Words. Silence. Just be. To be is not to not be.
its through the step of uniting the head with the heart..the surrender of the head to the heart that opens the path to enlightenment
and if you didnt develope this state during life it will certainly not exist after death....a new incarnation will come with a new head
to try again...wil it claim the crown or sacrifice itself willingly for this birth ?
English makes it more difficult than it has to be.
There is a self in the sense of the person (sattva), but there is no self in the sense of the atman or in the sense of inherent existence (one of numerous svabhava).
The self in the sense of the person, the mere I, the merely labelled person, is subject to rebirth.
So once you achieve liberation the universe ends for everyone?
@@2010RSHACKS I'm not sure what you mean.
@@2010RSHACKS universe, end, everyone, liberation, your question's marred with dualistic concepts.
@@ffederel yes you are right
That's what you claim. In reality, there is absolutely a self in the sense of the atman.
This place is a wasp nest, of controversy, every one arguing, so much for enlightenment, rather achieve peace within, and let each one figure his way to it, there's many ways to cook food, and get nourishment.
I don't believe we don't have individual souls. Buddhism isn't flawless. It's goal is return to the void before the Big Bang. True Bhuddism - Theravada and Zen, are inhumanly bloodless forms of self annihilation. Most forms if Buddhism are deviations from the principle Buddha tought. Mahayana yellow hat Bhuddism in Tibet is a consciously altered form of Buddhism . A very interesting aspect of Buddha's original teaching was that he recognized that each INDIVIDUAL needed to be tought differently and had to ultimately realize The Way forward on their own! How can individuality not matter then if this is the case? There is a passivity to Buddhism that is foreign to the Western dynamic. The ultimate goal of Buddhism is to disidentify with a vehicle - a form. And by this means return to the void. All other religions have some form of a form and a future, a place to arrive at, an etheric form indipendant of matter. When we die we return to the astral, our true home, and exist there in the astral body which is energy, and from which point we go through further transformations. : )
But how do I know that astral is my "home"? I'm not sure if I feel it :)...Is it possible one has no idea or feeling for "home"?
@@evoo6 We simultaneously physical and astral already. When the body drops, we RESUME existence as energy. Whether or not it's your home, you're headed that way.
@@DagaanGalakticos Thank you for answering Friend
All of Buddhism believes in rebirth. Read the Nikayas and Agamas
How does anyone know what happens after death?
Look into reincarnation evidence, by Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker.
Very great! Thank you.
All sciences, all religions, all faiths, all psychedelic experiences are trying to tell the same story. Look for the similarities and you build a better picture.
There is a self. Look into Theravadan meditation.
True, there is no self. However, the true truth cannot be put into words, and so one should be careful not to turn an insight into a belief. That one is is certain. What one is, not so much.
@@gra6649 Look to the original teachings. The Tathagatha used these terms to describe the "not-self": dhammakaya, Brahma body and luminous.
It is curious to me that puthujjana often assert the conditions of "not-self" or "no-self" without having direct insight into their own "true nature". These assertions are the result of the "not-knowing" or "ignorant" mind struggling to understand. This struggle to understand and explore different notions of self is normal and actually comprises a large part of the the route to stream entry. These assertions are always based on a reasoned interpretation of the dhamma, but not upon direct seeing. It is correct to engage in this struggle, but incorrect to assert understanding before stream entry or, better yet, sotapanna stage.
@@gra6649 That state of Pure Being is best known thru Advaita, which can take you closest to rediscovering your Essential Nature of Being/ Existence-Consciousness- Bliss ( Sat Chit- Ananda).
Yes ultimately words cannot express it to perfection, as it is not an OBJECT of Experience to an Experiencing Aware Subject, but is Verily the Subject itself, which Witnesses all experiences. So it cannot be pointed to as a form ( Rupa) / quality ( Guna) or Object (Vasthu), and Transcends Space, Time, Causation and Duality.
Awesome!
if there is a Self, then there's an ego, is one of the four fallacious notions, if there's an ego there is an attachment and discrimination (I, you, we and them). Sunyata, from interdependent origin all things arise and pass away, including the Self (ego) Self-less. Our perception is very limited our Karma does not allow us to understand or even visualized with a conceptual mind. The answer is within, through intense concentration and Meditation can be visualize. OM Bohdisattva
@Pine Joi I truly hope that some day you achieve inner peace, it is not important which vehicle you use, all the Wisdom of the Universe is within, try to find it when the is right. Thanks for the comment, I do respect your opinion. Peace Earth Brother
@Pine Joi Aloha again, I live in the Hawai'i Nation is 4:10 am, I just finished with the mental training, I'll be glad to satisfy your curiosity at a later time, in the mean time please visualize Sunyata you'll be able to answer the question if not I'll be glad to clarify it, please do not attach to concepts, have a mind free of obstacles. Aloha Aina
Agreed.
@@evoo6 Aloha, greetings from the Halema'uma'u crater, Peace. Mrs/Mr; Blue. Malama 'Aina
You are correct. Just as a man dying of thirst cannot quench that thirst with the word "water", a man truly seeking awakening cannot find it in concepts. The many different teachings, different methods, used in the many different sorts of Buddhism - all the various sorts of upaya - are merely fingers pointing at the moon. An inward nonverbal awakening is the goal.