I wonder what Gaunter's reaction would have been like if Olgierd didn't panic after realizing he was standing on the moon but instead calmly explained, possibly following a witty insult, that he was technically not standing on the moon but was in fact standing on the soles of his shoes. A quarter inch could have spared him from death?
@@appleseed2933 If Gaunter let's say actuallyis a Djinn, for instance, then telling Geralt thatwould mean putting himself in danger. Better Geralt not know who/what he is. The only thing we know about Gaunter is essentially what he has said himself. He could very well just have been a very, very powerful Wizard aswell. A wizard who's so ancient and powerfull and now just does what he does for "fun".
O'Dimm is depiction of devil, he was portrayed as devil by everything in Slavic folklore. No doubt about it, i realized it as soon as i met him in Hearts of stone. Meeting at crossroads, shapeshifts, knows everything, illusionist, trickster, will "give you" what you want if you sell your soul, but then tricks you in the end. The game foreshadows it constantly if you look at small details e.g. children's song about him, random people saying stuff, even the first mission with him is called "Evil's first touches".
Well, yeah, much of the base game is actually references to numerous European folklore fairy-tales, starting from German and ending in Slavic folklore.
He didnt tricked nobody. Olgierd didnt know what he was wishing. Also he was a mean guy so he needed a punishment. He never cheats someone, and NEVER kills an innocent. The guy at the inn with the spoon in his eye was distracting geralt and being mean to him, so he deserved it actually
Olgierd had wished for quote: "Living like there's no tomorrow" he never wanted immortality. Also, that wish applied to Olgierd and Iris both, as technically there is no tommorrow in the painted world. Also, O'Dimm's signature theme plays when Geralt explains Marlene's curse to Barnabas Basil. It is 100% him, just not mentioned by name.
@@przemor1150 No, if the immortality is taken from them somehow that's none of his concern and yes, the painted world is O'Dimm's doing as he wanted Olgierd's soul so he created it knowing he would ask for the rose.
@@anitaremenarova6662 yeah "somehow" but we know Odimm is too strong to just take it from them. Dog said: "Its the work of Iris von Everec" and we have no evidence it was made by Odimm
So basically Geralt is in a tavern to meed Olgierd's man, and Gaunter shows up freezing time. Geralt calls him a showoff and asks if he is a mage, while Gaunter retorts that he is not, and he influences time because "it's the only interesting dimension". So Geralt asks him "Who are you really?" and Gaunter merrily gallivants his usual "Gaunter O'Dimm, better known as..." and Geralt cuts him off asking who he *really* is. So Gaunter drops the act of the happy dude, and asks gravely: "Is that your wish, Geralt?". When Geralt nods, he retorts "No, Geralt, you don't want to know. Anyone who found of my true nature has died or worse, and I still have a need for you. Just this once, Geralt, I will not grant your wish" And that sends me the jeebies down my spine every time
A mirror shows you but acts inversely. Vevec was heartless, cruel, and manipulative and this showed in their interactions. Geralt is neutral and professional and that reflects as well. But one action becomes two in a mirror and so one wish granted requires another, hence his requests.
Shoot, if you look at it. His name is neat. G.O.D. His profession, mirror merchant. He is a reflection of god, the devil. The devil punishes those who sin and those who get in his way. He sells a reflection to those he makes deals with, look in the mirror and see yourself for who you are.
@@Flegias116 while that maybe true (How could one know the scope of power of a being beyond what we are able to perceive) in the relm of Christianity, he is commonly portrayed as the antithesis. That said what the devil lacks in power he has in manipulation. I mean the term silver tongued devil is a phrase for a reason.
"Souls can only be gained by contracts" he says, how naive. Gaunter can literally stop the flow of time on a whim, what makes you think he can't rip a soul away ? Most necromancers in the lore manipulate the souls of others easely, it would be strange if HE couldn't.
@@hakimdaaloul9886 because he's not a necromancer. Necromancy is based on magic he has stated that his power has nothing to do with magic. While he has shown to be incredibly powerful there has to be limitations and I don't think hes the "all powerful" God. As he can be beaten and when he is something drastic happens, he is sucked back into w.e realm he came from forcefully (and can't do anything about it either). I think that is also tied to why he uses contracts, you can best him and send him back to where he came from or he takes your soul....the stakes are high for both players as it seems as if odimm absolutely despises being away from "earth" from his reaction of being bested by Geralt. He says he will be back it seems as if he has no say in how soon he'll be back either so wherever he's be taken too when he's beaten by Geralt seems to have alot more power over him and he doesn't like it. When I think of O'Dimm I think of Lucifer Morningstar (from the Netflix series) he hated living in hell and stayed in earth as much he can to do "favours" for people and if they didn't return the favor when he was in need of it he took those souls at their death (or something like that).
@@aaronjabari6895 Just because he doesn't use magick doesn't mean he can't use it. However i think you're right about the stakes being high for him during a contract...i wonder why.
@@hakimdaaloul9886 I think it has more to do with souls not being prepared enough for his liking. During the wedding, he explains to a woman how the most important ingredient in cooking gingerbread is time. I would wager that the contracts he signs help "cook" the soul. He lets time take care of the rest, making the soul more desirable to him, before finally fulfilling all the conditions in the termination phase of the contract. After all, "Time gives the proper consistence. Time provides that ideal crunch on the outside, the delicious moistness within."
6:45 and the guy he randomly killed with a spoon Yes he was being rude, but if that's enough to allow gaunter to kill him, there would be no person left in the witcher universe.
I think he killed him because he kept him waiting, Geralt had just entered, he went up to Geralt and wouldn’t let him pass, the devil doesn’t really have patience after all
When i was playing blood and wine and came accros the old lady with the spoon and gaunter o dims theme started playing, made the hairs on me stand up. This game is written soooooooo fucking good. Best decision ever in regard to gaming that i bought this one.
Gaunter simply likes to toy with human lives, I don't see him as someone who would "punish bad people", but he finds it amusing to see the most horrible people break, we can see how he enjoys trashing Vlodimir. He operates through contracts because he likes to do that, it's fun for him.
Imagine that you can 'hack' into someones brain and controlling it, and they can do nothing about it, even i would find that funny. For gaunter odimm, humans are like ants to him
Heart of stone wasn't a byproduct of immortality, though it didn't help, but the real reason Olgierd changed so much was his wish to live and enjoy every day of his life like it was his last, which was great at first, but then it backfired when it caused him to become emotionless and obsessed with new sensations. Olgierd was overall rather naive and somewhat careless in his dealings with Odimm, didn't think his wishes and conditions through well enough.
To be fair, he had no idea of what he was dealing with. But also to his shame, he could have researched further and searched for a Djinn, which could have worked out waaay better..!
Even if you're aware of the fact that your words are going to be twisted against you, there's honestly not a whole heck of a lot you can do to stop it. Sure, you could meticulously word smith a wish so that it's very hard to give you anything other than what you want, except I don't actually think you could. I don't think anyone could so meticulously account for every single detail that could be maliciously interpreted. And I also think that even if they could, the backwards nasty logic that allows for the interpretation would still cheat you. I'll concede that Olgierd was naive, but only in that he trafficked with a wish granting entity that he didn't certainly know to be benevolent.
I'd add another layer to this... Gaunter exists outside of time and space, he is an entity beyond knowing, not human, but something that exists beyond our reality, beyond even other worlds or realities, he is born somewhere between the cracks between the worlds, from the void and made of shadow. All of this stuff is referenced in the game, when asked he tells geralt he isn't Human and not from this world, he has a gwent card depicting him in another form, he looks a lot like a hym, just an inky black shadow creature with the ability to multiply and summon other cards bearing his name, so hes at least a suggested polymorph from his gwent cards (he also has a human form gwent card), plus hes a confirmed polymorph as revealed in the cutscene where geralt defeats him - his face changes (pointy cheek bones and ears, greyed skin, glowing eyes) at the very least we learn first hand that his human form is an illusion. We know he can bend the rules of time and knows every person's future fate in detail, he can create nightmare-riddle pocket dimensions and drag subjects into these realms, he is the master of immense other worldly power, and we know it's not magic because geralts medallion fails to react, plus G O'D (coincidence?) says so himself, he detests magic and thinks it just a cheap imitation of real power, such as his own. Furthermore it seems implied then that his power is natural, he can control the weather as demonstrated on the ship and I suspect the burning house the wild ones were in was gaunters doing also, notice the intense lighting storm JUST over the roof of that house? Gaunter is most similar to the nightmare cryptids of the hp lovectaft universe, his intentions are unknowable, his movies are unclear, his nature is totally alien and his power is unfathomable, not only that but his suggestion that anyone who learned his true name/identity met death or a fate even worse, is again a link to biblical or lovecraftian horror and monsters with the mind-flaying names of these otherworldly deities, a common fate for anyone who learned these names. I could go on with the mirror, old gods and other kind of symbology that make up his identity, but I'm satisfied to conclude he is either the devil, the god, or another kind of actual God, deity, or high ranking servant of the gods imbued with godly power to use as he sees fit. Worth noting also, the way he loves disguising his intent behind simple word plays, he claims to be a simple mirror merchant, and technically he is, he sells people reflections of themselves, so to enter a contract with him is to have purchased a mirror from him.
At this point maybe i can say that Gaunter is Nyarlathothep because only he is the only outer god that is interested in humans and will drive anyone insane from knowing too much about him.
I think O’Dimm is the Witcher Universe’s equivalent of “The Devil”, Lucifer, whatever you want to call him. He is the WU’s head diety of evil and darkness. The wording I’ll use is for convenience, not to link him to Judeochristian lore. His initials spell out GOD, and he claims to be a “merchant of mirrors” and “master mirror”. I think he is Lucifer, and his chosen name is taking a stab at God, fitting for his personality. God (or associated character in various religions) is the head diety of good/light. So O’Dimm’s association with mirrors is alluding to him being the “mirror image” of God, except he’s the other side of the mirror - the dark side. O’Dimm is God’s evil equal in the eternal battle of good versus evil.
To me he is the embodiment of the devil, or a demon for sure. His love for word play, granting peoples wishes in a twisted way, and being a contractor of souls is mainly a demons thing.
To think that he was in the game even before the dlc release. Cd Projekt Red had all planned from the start. When I played the game shortly after release I expected to see Gunter in a sidequest or something after what he said at the orchard inn, yet he turned out he's a supernatural beeing. Well done, well done!!!(Still on what drugs were cd projekt when they came up with all of this, like... only if you're high you can get such crazy ideeas.)
@azir remember the scene at white orchard? after they talked gaunter walked around the table, geralt turns around and he disappeared, though he couldve gone through the door but its not enough time imo so i guess it was a slight teaser^^
CDPR planned many things well ahead - remember Orianna? Choosing her path in B&W, the first time you hear her sing the Lullaby of Woe as she sits in front of you, you will immediately realise this moment was planned since before the base game was even released. ua-cam.com/video/s2oVSwflClQ/v-deo.html&
Also one more thing I think is worth mentioning is O'Dimm's ability to control the dead (the scene where he tortures the ghost of Vlodimir). Just further shows specter of his powers
He's not evil you say? Locking a person in a fucking circle and telling him that if he exits he is dead, then sending him dreams how he had a beautiful and clever daughter that loved him and then sending another dream how she died in his arms..... Just because the professor was reading information about Gaunter... That seems incredibly evil and sick to me.
Satan is the same. By some religion it goes like: who shall peek his interest of who god is or what he is, shall burn in the deepest fires of hell. Its even restricted to wonder what god looks like, so you shall burn in hell if you did
@@edward6749 So Czart is like a male demon in Slavic culture. According to the legend "Czarcia Lapa" from city of Lublin, in 1637 a trial of a widow took place in the Lublin Crown Tribunal. The party in the dispute was a wealthy magnate, who bribed the judges. Teh judges, regardless of the facts, admitted his principal. The distraught widow raised her hands to the crucifix hanging in the courtroom and cried: "If devils were judges, they would have issued a more just sentence!" Her voice, full of anger and pain, echoed in the high halls of the Lublin court. On the same night, in the courtroom at midnight, mysterious characters appeared clad in noble robes. Terrified writer, recording the course of the trial, saw the devil horns skillfully hidden in the raven hair and smelled of sulfur. Demons issued a sentence in favor of a woman. In order to seal it, demon judge Czart put his hand on the table, burning the palm of his hand on the board. It was then when Christ, on the crucifix in the courtroom, turned his head so as not to look at how diabolical courts are more just than human ones. A table with a burned-out devil's paw (called originally Czarcia Łapa), dating from before 1578, stands in the museum at the Lublin castle. The second legend with Czart is about Pan Twardowski (eng. Mr.Twardowski) a Polish nobleman who sold his soul to the devil. Twardowski is the main character of several fairy tales and legends, almost all of which presents a different story. One of the best known is that he is currently on the moon. According to legend, Twardowski was a nobleman who lived in Krakow (old capital of Poland) in the 16th century. He sold his soul to the devil in exchange for great knowledge and power of magic. However, he wanted to outwit the devil, so he added a paragraph to the signed agreement telling that the devil could take his soul to hell only in Rome, which Twardowski did not plan to visit. With the help of a devil, Twardowski gained wealth and fame, eventually becoming the magician of King Zygmunt August. After the death of king's wife, the king surrounded himself with astrologers, alchemists and magicians. As legend has it, Twardowski managed to evoke the spirit of the late queen Barbara through the use of the magical Twardowski's Mirror. After many years, at the tavern called Rome, Czart finally caught Twardowski. During the abduction devil lost Twardowski on the way. Twardowski landed on the Moon, where he stays to this day.
Mia Kafe that’s cool. I’ve always found other countries folklore interesting. I’m Hispanic and from Texas and there isn’t much of that here other than the “Texas Chainsaw Massacre” and “La Llorona”. I also didn’t know “The Wild Hunt” was actually a European myth, or something🙃
No more videos on the master mirror, less you know the better. I don't want bad fortune befall on you George, he might visit you and draw you a circle.
I think Gaunter is a genie. Not a typical genie, a witcher lore genie. The reason I think this is because a Book I found in olgeird's black magic room when in the painted world. I can't remember everything it said but it described gaunter almost perfectly. I remember the end quote said "Their purpose is beyond human understanding". There was a lot of other information in that book. Please remember when replaying the game to look in that room and read the book. I also think The black dog and cat you meet are somehow connected with Gaunter. Because that professor said "One person beat him and that was by challenging him at his own game". I think that person was the Black dog who tells exactly how to beat him at the end of the painted world mission saying "Beware of the Man of glass, If you get in trouble, look for glass that cannot be broken".
Oh nice. If he's the king of djinns though, by islamic mythos (yes they are mythos) he would be THE Djinn, or Lucifer (Satan was originally a Djinn who got to serve Allah directly as an archangel because of his devotion, before his downfall).
@@greyngreyer5 no he is never an archangel, but a djinn who rose to a height even the angels could not fathom. He is not an angel, a djinn superior. The bible takes it literally.
@@greyngreyer5 you discuss Islam, I am telling you the general consensus of what Satan or Shaitan is. Rest you can go and do your research if you like to. Whether you believe it or not is altogether another matter, its existence is another. It is a fairy tale as long as you want it to be.
G-Man from Half-life. Both can stop time, both don't have absolute power (G-Man has his employers). One difference is that G-Man is not inherently evil and doesn't take souls, but can force you to work for him when he wants it.
It makes sense saying he isn't evil, BUT he does prey in the weaknesses of people. Like the devil in the biblical sense. If he wasn't a Satan-esk character but a karma dishing character he wouldn't kill at random like the spoon in the eye scene.
Kind of like how the biblical God kills millions of people just because He got upset with them or how He lets people suffer in agonizing pain for no reason. Or in the Book of Job where God causes Job to lose everything he has, and be plagued with sickness and disease just to prove a point.
In islam, The devil want to seduce human into corruption/sin/hell until the end of the day. Remember Gaunter's song? Gaunter want to torment us (human) untill the stars expire (big bang/end of the day)
A lot of people seem to miss that Gaunter is not all powerfull or all knowing. If you do the Hearts of Stone questline before the main quest and side with Gaunter, you can ask him to help you find Ciri, to which he replies that he can't help with that and that certain things are out of his control.
@I Am Who I Am We don't certainly know that he was aware of Geralt's already being in a conversation. Plus, it's ridiculous to frame the pedestrian's getting skull fucked with a wooden spoon as anything other than excessive.
I love everything about O'Dimm. The character, his basic but interesting face, the AMAZING voice acting, his actions, his style, everything is perfect!
Did anyone else make a connection that perhaps Gaunter O'Dimm is the same being as Walter O'Dimm/The Man in Black/Randall Flagg from The Dark Tower series and The Stand? Similar powers and similar motivations...
There is also the Stephen King charakter Leland Gaunt from Needfull Things who is essentialy the faustian Mephisopheles (Satan) Gaunt + O'Dimm = Gaunter O'Dimm
kaushal suvarna it’d be damn mistake not to insert any Witcher related stuff into Cyberpunk. I bet many players playing the game soon will also be longtime fans of Witcher who hope they’ll come across some juicy Witcher references and easter eggs
@@rhetiq9989 ya in between they were having some disputes with the author, Andrzej Sapkowski, so thr may have been legal reasons to keep Witcher out of it. But as we've learnt, there are indeed Witcher references like the wolf emblem on Dexter's shoes So fingers crossed
I love how in the base game they had him right there, well before he was any sort of important character, I still after all this time remember when I realised who he was a from the tavern, such a cool touch
I think Olgierd is basically the ultimate universal debtor. Now let me explain a bit: I think what he does is he starts a pact, and then uses his older pacts with other creatures to aid in fulfilling that pact, for example he might have used a pact with a djinn to call the storm on the ofieri ship Geralt was on, as a way to cancel some debt the djinn had to him. Or, more directly, as he used a pact with Geralt in order to complete his pact with Olgierd, and by extension used the djinn in that too. I think he gains his powers by these pacts, for example he might have at some point made a pact with some creature that as a payment gave him the ability to control time like he does, and he might have made another to be able to become truly immortal like he evidently is. To complete the pacts with these extraordinarily powerful creatures, he again might use debts of less powerful creatures like djinns or somesuch to help him complete the pacts. I think alone he cannot actually do that much, but as basically the worst debt collector imaginable he is terrifyingly capable as he uses debts to cancel other debts.
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You forgot to mention, that Gaunter actually made it possible for Geralt to save Olgerd - by having him there at the first place and devising a game, that Geralt could actually win. Also, if you let Olgerd die, he actually offers Geralt a contact, so in that way he sees that Geralt is not good and can be corrupted. Other than that - good, strong theory you have here, congrats.
Lovely Theory. Makes a lotta sense. Just one thing, regarding the whole contract business, I'd say Gaunter O'Dimm is able to do whatever he wishes outside contracts, as with Professor Shakeslock, the dude at the inn, Marlene de Trastamara, etc. but he can't claim their souls. That's the catch to the deal / contract with Olgierd - his soul. The devil can fuck around with you whenever he pleases, but if you want something in return, if you want a deal, you gotta give your soul in return. There's probably some rules or something where he can't take souls as he pleases. He can mess with people's lives, but can't claim their soul unless they offer it willingly in exchange.
He most likely needs contracts in order to take a soul which is said to be the one thing he craves more than anything. So Im guessing while he can kill people at will, he has little cause to do so as that only means one less soul he can devour. I think you hit the nail completely on professor shakeslock. I agree that his punishment was made because he “played wirh evil”/ inserted himself unknowingly into mirrors world. However it does also make an interesting idea. If its true that shakeslock began to find out too much about O’dimm does that mean there are other important secrets still to be revealed about O’Dimm? Possibly his true purpose, weakness and such? Its a teasing thought that somewhere in the witcher world, are puzzles which together solves the riddle of O’Dimm yet which will never be revealed thanks to his intervening. What a great character. Straight out of lovecraft!
I really love this character. My theory is contracts must be something akin to fun to Gaunter. Imagine being as powerful as him. It might be fun for a while but after who knows how long it will become boring and contracts are a way of having fun. He can be amused how people suffer from their own wishes and watch how they might struggle in getting out of the contract. We are told that he is evil but this is coming from people bound by human morality. Gaunter is not bound by this. To me this just all seems to be a game to him. He has created rules for himself that he must follow. If someone is attempting to wiggle their way out of a contract he must find a way to fulfill the contract without directly interfering. He could have done this easily but instead he used Geralt. I think he found it interesting to see how Geralt would go about it. Now here is an interesting question. Is Gaunter O'Dimm the only one of his kind or are there more like him out there?
I think he is the only one because he can controll time. If there were others, they would prob wanting to kill each other because only 1 can be the ruler. and in most of the religions, there is only 1 god and 1 satan.
He tells that he needed help of his associates to grant olgierd the things he wished so i believe there are others like him but they just don't conceal themselves
While Gaunter is seen as Mephistopheles in Hearts of Stone, I always thought of him as a kind of universal judge, jury and executioner, passing judgment on those he sees as sinful, but holding to a moral code which prevents him from killing someone unless he first tricks them into committing this sin.
@@ALTAI38 well, the thing with the "standing on the moon" certainly was a trick. And I think thar he O'Dimm severly downplays the consequences of the deal
I don't think Shakeslock was punished. I think he was awarded. As O'Dim said, those who have known his nature have suffered a fate worse than death. So by blinding him, he made sure he would never learn more about him and receive that fate. I think Gaunter was genuinelly entertained by the fact someone did so much homework on him.
Gaunter is absolutely the antagonist of the DLC. Every bad thing that happens can be traced back to him, through manipulation and deceit. Hell, you can only get the inspirational sunrise ending (symbolizing rebirth) after defeating him, whereas siding with him we literally get a skull thrown at the screen. He IS the bad guy of Hearts of Stone.
Since I just finished my replay of Hearts of Stone just like... two hours ago and I wanted more discussion on O'Dimm, I think it's fair to add some feedback here. Because I do think he does have this intent of aiming for evil people, but I think there's a bit more than that. When playing the last quest, you can run into a Hym in O'Dimm's world, and that alone I feel is a good hint into his true nature. Hyms prey on the guilty, but they don't do it out of some grand purpose of wanting atonement, rather wanting the suffering of their victims. And I think it's similar in O'Dimm's case, to be honest. At least that's the vibe I get.
Further underlining the point of O'Dimm being a "Mirror" to people: Witchers: "Yeah I'll kill that monster, for money" O'Dimm to Geralt on the boat: "I'll save your life, if you agree to do something for me".
The difference: Geralt didn't put the monsters out there in the first place to compel villagers to pay him. O'Dimm is (indirectly, as always) responsible for creating the conditions in which Geralt requires his help.
I love this dlc. Amazing characters, o'dim and iris are now my favorite characters in the game. The everettes are also complex and interesting people. I dont know much about Shani but her relationship with Gerald is very relatable.
I always believe that Gaunter is an ancient entity, an ambidextrous fella, who is playing the world on its head and seeks knowledge of everything to do that for possibilities that he sees in people, whether good or bad. Of course, he’s more deceptive and more specific and helpful than the in-game spirits/wraiths. He’s a being separate than what we would call hell because he doesn’t fall in line with what we normally assume demons to need: the seven sins. He embodies the seven virtues as well thus making him more grounded than a demon would. Gaunter is literally a broker and dealmaker and instigator all mashed together. He knows where Ciri and Yennifer were but he choose not to tell Geralt about Ciri. In the ending of the DLC, if you choose to side with him, He says to Geralt that he cannot meddle in certain things. This clues into his knowledge about the Elder races and the prophecy of the white frost. He also can foresee what happens when Geralt is with Ciri because he warns Geralt to not do certain things that could harm her future. Gaunter knows more than he lets on and he only intervenes at opportune moments for himself and for people he chooses to associate with. I believe that Gaunter is more capable than we realize. The abandoned estate of Marlene is filled with barghests and Foglets so obviously Gaunter May have attracted the presence of these creatures near the area with his aura and curse left behind tainting the house and its grounds.
Like the crones are a nod to the MacBeth witches, Gaunter is a nod to rumplestilskin, from there they got the spoon theme and his interest in contracts where people pay much to high prices. The name comes from the mage named "The man in black" who's name is Walter O'Dimm in the Dark Tower from Stephen King, which like Gaunter carries many and more names.
I'd say that the old custom of turning up with a bowel and spoon was a type of contract to o' dimm it's expected of a host to help the one in need. As she refused this is her breaking her side of the contract.
Gaunter’s desire is souls. Souls apparently can only be given willingly hence the contracts. My hypothesis. killing is a snap of the finger for O’Dim and he gains nothing from it as he can not claim a soul not given. His other acts are merely for twisted amusement. His contracts are for the souls. He shares much with Satan. Temptation, want, desires of the flesh at the expense of one’s soul.
Regarding Shakeslock: When in the Inn when Gaunter had frozen time you can ask who Gaunter actually is and Gaunter will tell you something along the lines of "everyone who finds out dies" and says he will not tell you as he still has a use for you. Shakeslock also tells you that you ought to forget him for your own safety. This tells me that Gaunter punishes and torments not only those who know too much but perhaps you bring him onto yourself by merely thinking of him as well.
Nice video but you missed some details. First of all , O'dimm made a lot of pacts and while i agree the 2 we saw (The woman who got cursed and Olgierd ) were douches , he also took life of the Ofieri soldiers (some of them ) and the other guy who was talking with Geralt in the ship also died due the storm. Secondly , you meet him at the crossroads , where you meet demons/satan to make contracts. Third , every time he appears and dissapears , you can hear the word devil by someone. Fourth , O'Dimm looks like a serpent when he get banished . In Christian culture , Satan , when he met Eva , was a snake/serpent. 5th : His name is nothing for me , honestly . The professor said that he goes under different cultures with different names , same as Satan has different name in Christianity and different name in other religions. 6th : It wasn't O'Dimm who found Olgierd but Olgierd summoned O'Dimm because a witch told Olgierd about o'dimm 7th: Same as Satan , he drives people mad via contracts with taking their souls (selling my soul to satan , they say) . Also , when O'Dimm got asked what is he , he replied that anyone who learnt his name faced death or worst fate. Worst fate than death is either live a misserable life or be in hell . 8th : He didn't really try to drive Geralt into contract because he knew he would need him soon. See , after a very little time you can start HoS dlc . 9nth : The DLC is based on a legend with Pan Twardowski . I think the game implies that o'dimm is satan in many ways.
Weird that Christian culture claims the serpent was Satan even though he and Yahweh were still allies in the book of Job and remain allies until he tries to prevent Jesus's sacrifice.
@@The_Chef2511 Even then he mostly tempts Jesus, not trying to prevent it, but rather testing his willpower and devotion. But yeah, the whole modern concept of Satan was basically invented after the Old Testament and added on a lot more after the New Testament as well. Also he's never called Lucifer in the Bible: it's a mistranslation and a misconception. It comes from a taunting passage directed at the king of Babylon where he is compared to the morning star a.k.a. Venus, also called Lucifer in Latin. The whole proud defiance of God thing is not addressed to Satan, it's talking about the king of Babylon! He was like a bright star at first, then fell from heaven's grace. As for the serpent, I think the Bible literally implies it was a snake that was cursed to crawl/slither after what it did. Apparently it had legs before. Just like humans were cursed to be mortal, give birth in pain etc.
There is a slavic saying: To show someone a mirror. To show someone how they act towards others, by acting same way towards them. You are first one, who pointed this in a video. Good job.
Pretty sure the mark that he gives Geralt is approximately the mark of Cain. That would explain why he kills that guy with a spoon; although the mark binds Geralt to helping him, it also guarantees him protection while working for O’Dimm
My reaction was that while he was reflecting the evil of Olgierd, there is no crime you can do in a finite life that merits eternal punishment. So I decided to play the game of wits with O'Dimm not because I was seeking to purge an evil but instead because the crime doesn't fit the punishment. It doesn't help however that you can't really trust a being like O'Dimm to be "honorable" and only pray on those that "deserve it".
He's based on a classic trickster archetype. Very fun character though I honestly don't think he quite fits into the Witcher world. Be interested in the analysis of what his gifts to geralt can be, and his final words upon defeat. I would like to see a video examining more closely the worlds A'vallach and Geralt travel through to reach bv the Aen Elle.
gaunter o'dimm is another persona taken upon by walter o'dimm in stephen kings "the dark tower" series. hes a quasi-morphing wizard who travels to various worlds. geralt is roland of gilead (roland came from a prestigious military-like school , so did geralt). also, the towers of the universe are like the schools of the witcher (bear cat wolf snake etc)
I feel like people wrongly assume he has some kind of code. I think he's only bound by his nature. If he was a misled goody two shoes that punished "sinners" he wouldn't have tormented Shakeslock. Instead, he made his life a hell for wanting to know him. And I think that's the very thing ^^ "Seek evil and you shall know it, know evil and you shall get it".
He made a different kind of contract with Geralt. It was more of a business deal with them both benefiting ( O'Dimm getting Olgierd's soul and Geralt escaping the Ofieri and then getting his mark removed)
I think I remember him saying something about that he had to contact his companions because Olgierd's wishes were too demanding (or something along those lines) when Geralt asked him about Olgiert at the crossroad. I'd be very interested in what would his companions be like and I'm very surprised that nobody's talking about this. Great video btw!
the character Gaunter after watching this video, im still questioning whether what choices throughout the dlc i made was good or bad. My first play through of the game including the dlc's, i hated Olgierd for being, a prick (kindly as i can say). Im replaying witcher 3 now but taking my time to explore the game itself, but something i ask myself is, what are others opinion on Ciri's future, to become Empress or Witcher? My first run at witcher 3 was seeing Ciri being Empress and i found that ok with myself knowing she will be safe, but hearing a few other friends of mine saying witcher Ciri is better, idk lol Witcher George, whats ur opinion on Ciri's future?
The only answer is "it depends". Olgierd is no saint, he did terrible things specially to Iris, let him die is not an "evil" option, not entirely but he seems genuinely sorry and regretful for what he did and most of the things he did were a side effect of the heart of stone. Saving him is a good option too, I've always saved him (in my 3 playthroughs) but there's no good or bad choice. Same with Ciri, make her an empress to the world's greatest empire and make sure the whole continent lives happy under her kind ruling and not in fear anymore or make her a witcheress, her dream since childhood with the best witcher as tutor. No choice is wrong, no choice is the definitive choice. I always choose witcheress path though.
I think that Empress Ciri makes more sense. Like most of the game, it is not feel good, but is gray. As empress she could do the most good, and the bittersweet reaction Geralt gives, that tired sigh when he sees her entourage waiting for her at White Orchard, is more fitting for the tone of the games.
@@Witcherino emhyr did summon geralt to find her daughter. When we asked 'why do i need to find her' he says that she trusts us. When we asked 'what will you do with ciri' he doesnt answer. We can see here that emhyr wants to use the connection of geralt (ciri was adopted by geralt) to bring her back. If emhyr took ciri back herself, she would not want to. Also we can know that emhyr does not care for ciri, but for nilfgaard. If emhyr said what he was gonna do with ciri BEFORE geralt started to find her, geralt would disagree with him/her and wanting ciri to become a witcher. You see, if you had an adopted child and you thaught her to be a witcher, would you want her to be a empress?? I doubt it. So the best choice for GERALT is to choose witcher ciri. Emhyr basically used you if you made ciri an empress
@@ALTAI38 Geralt never wanted Ciri to be a witcher. He, and rest of witchers taught her about witcher things, because this was all they knew about. It was also to give her a mean to defend herself. Book Geralt would want her to become empress.
The entire Hearts of Stone DLC is HEAVILY based on Polish folk tale of "Pan Twardowski" with a few twists to make it more interesting in the game. I'd even risk saying that the story in W3 is better developed than any variation I've read or heard before. Gaunter is basically equivalent of Devil Boruta who made a deal with titular Mr. Twardowski and granted him wishes for the payment of his soul. Boruta was known to appear on the crossroads sitting on a Willow tree - exactly how we get to know Gaunter in the DLC. The moon twist that Olgierd uses in the contract also comes from the story - Twardowski agreed that Devil would take is soul only in Rome but he never actually intented on getting to Rome - Boruta had to lure him into an Inn called "Rome" to seal the deal. Eventually Twardowski managed to escape while being taken by the devil to... the Moon, so the most familiar depiction of Twardowski is a Polish Nobleman (imagine a man dressed like... well Olgierd) sitting on a moon. Sounds familiar? Entire Hearts of Stone DLC is full of nods and jokes relating to Polish literature and folk tales. Take the wedding at Bronovitz. There is an early XX century drama called "The Wedding" by Wyspiański that takes place in (then village, now a district in Kraków) Bronowice. And guess what? All sorts of supernatural stuff happens during the night.
There’s another point to your theory; when O’Dimm offers you a choice of rewards if you let him take Olgeird’s soul, Geralt gives the most open-ended and ambiguous wishes ever (its kind of dumb really considering you’ve spent the whole time learning that phrasing your wishes wrong means shit will hit the fan). Yet despite the fact O’Dimm could very easily have used the open-ended non-specific answers to twist his reward, he instead gave Geralt exactly what he wanted instead of what he asked for. That shows you he is not evil at all, as he could very easily have screwed Geralt over if he wanted.
Funny, if the professor was able to find Knowledge on regarding his identity. That must mean that there is 100% information about O Dimm in the world. How old could dimm be.
Really good vid. I'd like to add an interpretaion of the "Master Mirror" (which is essentially what you said throughout the video): Gaunter is the personification of "Bad Karma", essentially acting as a mirror which reflects bad actions back towards the culprit.
In helping Olgierd, when he says "It's finally done", I'm like "Yup, good luck atoning for everything, best of luck" as I saunter off with my new sword.
i have a different theory myself...it has many of the characteristics you said so i wont go in too many details....EVERYONE who know about my true nature has met a fate worst than death...that could easily mean another version of hell where those he owns go OOOOR (and here is my version) realize that he isn't exactly a demon or The Devil....HE is a very arrogant Gaunter O.Dim ..his name fully implies what he is ...he is the GOD of the witcher universe...now THAT is more scary and what a fate worse than death for a living to realize everything about the afterlife is declared from a person like him...finding out that a dull and void nothingness at the very least expects you..or worse ONLY HELL there is for one after death... Now...the question or the plotholes you are gonna introduce are 2 ...did geralt outwitted GOD or how a GOD couldnt locate Ciri when an elven mage did with magical means..and remember Odim finds magic pathetic and archaic. I believe the first is a wickness he allows to himself to have...otherwise what is gonna be the point of all this charade with the pacts ..he could just DO IT...and if he can not loose that why would he bother with it anyway contract or a challenger or anything..... and the second is because he doesn't care to locate (easily) people who don't meddle with him ...the professor was discovered after he started finding stuff about him...and also odim knew geralt would find her but didnt want to meddle with the ordeal directly..and only does IF you ask how to treat Ciri after letting Olgierd die...because he knows that Geralt can FUCK UP on that department
I think odimm didnt told ciris location because he wants everyone to WORK for the truth, they need to deserve it. Finding ciri is also 50% of the main storyline
I honestly loved both GOD and Olgreid! None of them were the usual black "Antagonist" of other stories and games but rather both of them were complicated, relatable and likable! TBH I did not expect to enjoy the HOS this much considering how short it was!
I kind disagree being of a reflection of the person. He did not harm Geralt at White Orchid because needed him. We know from him the Elder Blood can't be sensed by him. So, Geralt plays a major role in finding and protecting Ciri. If wasn't Geralt, Ciri would never stop the White Frost and being chased or even captured by the Wild Hunt. What is the purpose to live in a world where nobody lives? Go to another realm where nobody knows you? Where is the fun in that? Or it even can be chased by the Wild Hunt if they conquer the planet where it resided. Isn't strange to see exactly when the frog, Prince, died, the Ofiri appeared? It passed 3-4 months since was there. Is your fucking prince, find him as fast you can. This allowed to Gaunter O'Dimm to make Geralt resolve the wishes for Olgierd and get his soul. GOD orchestrated this to the beginning because knew the finding of Yennefer or Ciri would never be a good trade. I tell you where are they (Yen knows exactly, Ciri doesn't know because of the Elder Blood), but you do 3 wishes for me. He just let Geralt leave just because of complete his part of the bargain, nothing more.
His purpose is to play, it happens the corrupt are those who are more easily dragged to a contract, the honest ones are not prospective clients. The fact he punishes is not a moral thing but for his pleasure.
I love this character so much. One of the best parts of the game as a whole- him and Regis.
I wonder what would happen if they met each other somehow...
I would pay $80 for ten more minutes of DLC for anything extra with either of them!
Let's not forget Phillip Strenger, aka The Bloody Baron. such an amazing character
@@thugli4328 Good point. I loved the Velen quest line with him
Maybe if the new Witcher series doesn’t bomb we might see him in future seasons. That would be amazing.
I wonder what Gaunter's reaction would have been like if Olgierd didn't panic after realizing he was standing on the moon but instead calmly explained, possibly following a witty insult, that he was technically not standing on the moon but was in fact standing on the soles of his shoes. A quarter inch could have spared him from death?
Possibly!
maybe .... Because O'Dimm never acts against his pact unless he dont has one
also when Gaunter ask his soul, Olgierd could instead give him his 'soles'
WolF he does. The guy he killed with the spoon in the tavern.
Omg....that's brilliant! Please remind me to hire you to write my wish before I make the pact.
He did protect Geralt, when Geralt *wished* to know more about him:
He replied, No Geralt, I will not do this to you and grant you your wish.
Because he still needed him I suppose.
crownlessking that’s probably only because he still needed him as a proxy for Olguierd’s contract, he likely wouldn’t have cared otherwise
@@appleseed2933 he literally said "I still need you"
@@Bladings not very smart huh?
@@appleseed2933 If Gaunter let's say actuallyis a Djinn, for instance, then telling Geralt thatwould mean putting himself in danger. Better Geralt not know who/what he is.
The only thing we know about Gaunter is essentially what he has said himself. He could very well just have been a very, very powerful Wizard aswell. A wizard who's so ancient and powerfull and now just does what he does for "fun".
O'Dimm is depiction of devil, he was portrayed as devil by everything in Slavic folklore. No doubt about it, i realized it as soon as i met him in Hearts of stone. Meeting at crossroads, shapeshifts, knows everything, illusionist, trickster, will "give you" what you want if you sell your soul, but then tricks you in the end. The game foreshadows it constantly if you look at small details e.g. children's song about him, random people saying stuff, even the first mission with him is called "Evil's first touches".
Maybe!
Well, yeah, much of the base game is actually references to numerous European folklore fairy-tales, starting from German and ending in Slavic folklore.
He didnt tricked nobody. Olgierd didnt know what he was wishing. Also he was a mean guy so he needed a punishment. He never cheats someone, and NEVER kills an innocent. The guy at the inn with the spoon in his eye was distracting geralt and being mean to him, so he deserved it actually
@ITzDotzy devils cannot slow time, controll how earth works etc. Also he isnt that evil since he punishes people that really deserve it
I dont think offering someone a drink deserves a spoon in the eye
Olgierd had wished for quote: "Living like there's no tomorrow" he never wanted immortality. Also, that wish applied to Olgierd and Iris both, as technically there is no tommorrow in the painted world. Also, O'Dimm's signature theme plays when Geralt explains Marlene's curse to Barnabas Basil. It is 100% him, just not mentioned by name.
I was about the talk about the same points. Nice video but lacking crucial informations.
But still if we take a rose from her, she will likely die so plot hole? And painted world wasnt made by Odimm
But I agree with you with this quote and Olgierd who never wanted immortality
@@przemor1150 No, if the immortality is taken from them somehow that's none of his concern and yes, the painted world is O'Dimm's doing as he wanted Olgierd's soul so he created it knowing he would ask for the rose.
@@anitaremenarova6662 yeah "somehow" but we know Odimm is too strong to just take it from them.
Dog said: "Its the work of Iris von Everec" and we have no evidence it was made by Odimm
Just this once I will not Grant your wish
jesus christ that sentence gave me the chills when he said it
It's been a while since I played it, when and to whom in what scenario does he say that again?
So basically Geralt is in a tavern to meed Olgierd's man, and Gaunter shows up freezing time. Geralt calls him a showoff and asks if he is a mage, while Gaunter retorts that he is not, and he influences time because "it's the only interesting dimension". So Geralt asks him "Who are you really?" and Gaunter merrily gallivants his usual "Gaunter O'Dimm, better known as..." and Geralt cuts him off asking who he *really* is. So Gaunter drops the act of the happy dude, and asks gravely: "Is that your wish, Geralt?". When Geralt nods, he retorts "No, Geralt, you don't want to know. Anyone who found of my true nature has died or worse, and I still have a need for you. Just this once, Geralt, I will not grant your wish"
And that sends me the jeebies down my spine every time
@@CleymanYT in the tavern before he put the spoon in that one guys eye
@@DonPatrono in all honesty I find that Gaunter O'Dimm is more like the ancient ones from the HP Lovecraft stories.
I think "master mirror" might also be interpreted as "reflecting the evil back onto those deserve punishment"🤔
Interesting!
A mirror shows you but acts inversely. Vevec was heartless, cruel, and manipulative and this showed in their interactions. Geralt is neutral and professional and that reflects as well. But one action becomes two in a mirror and so one wish granted requires another, hence his requests.
After I finished the game I think it is correct explaination of Gaunter's nickname.
Me too
In original it's "mister", not "master".
Shoot, if you look at it. His name is neat.
G.O.D.
His profession, mirror merchant.
He is a reflection of god, the devil. The devil punishes those who sin and those who get in his way.
He sells a reflection to those he makes deals with, look in the mirror and see yourself for who you are.
exactly my opinion
ProjectW013 mephistopheles
Devil is not so powerfull
@@Flegias116 while that maybe true (How could one know the scope of power of a being beyond what we are able to perceive) in the relm of Christianity, he is commonly portrayed as the antithesis.
That said what the devil lacks in power he has in manipulation. I mean the term silver tongued devil is a phrase for a reason.
Very cool!
The only dislike on this video is from olgeird von everec
*Who cares
Wasn't me.
So you are a fan of Daunter?
@@bloedekuh Not really. He was scary though...
aha
“There’s no cheaty ways to achieve your goals!”
Me: quietly closes the Witcher 3 debug console
There's a debug console?
Gaunter doesn't need contracts to kill/curse, BUT he won't get what he needs most: souls. Souls can only be gained by contract.
"Souls can only be gained by contracts" he says, how naive.
Gaunter can literally stop the flow of time on a whim, what makes you think he can't rip a soul away ?
Most necromancers in the lore manipulate the souls of others easely, it would be strange if HE couldn't.
@@hakimdaaloul9886 also we saw how he wrecked olgired's ghost brother in geralts body
@@hakimdaaloul9886 because he's not a necromancer. Necromancy is based on magic he has stated that his power has nothing to do with magic. While he has shown to be incredibly powerful there has to be limitations and I don't think hes the "all powerful" God. As he can be beaten and when he is something drastic happens, he is sucked back into w.e realm he came from forcefully (and can't do anything about it either). I think that is also tied to why he uses contracts, you can best him and send him back to where he came from or he takes your soul....the stakes are high for both players as it seems as if odimm absolutely despises being away from "earth" from his reaction of being bested by Geralt. He says he will be back it seems as if he has no say in how soon he'll be back either so wherever he's be taken too when he's beaten by Geralt seems to have alot more power over him and he doesn't like it.
When I think of O'Dimm I think of Lucifer Morningstar (from the Netflix series) he hated living in hell and stayed in earth as much he can to do "favours" for people and if they didn't return the favor when he was in need of it he took those souls at their death (or something like that).
@@aaronjabari6895 Just because he doesn't use magick doesn't mean he can't use it.
However i think you're right about the stakes being high for him during a contract...i wonder why.
@@hakimdaaloul9886 I think it has more to do with souls not being prepared enough for his liking. During the wedding, he explains to a woman how the most important ingredient in cooking gingerbread is time.
I would wager that the contracts he signs help "cook" the soul. He lets time take care of the rest, making the soul more desirable to him, before finally fulfilling all the conditions in the termination phase of the contract. After all, "Time gives the proper consistence. Time provides that ideal crunch on the outside, the delicious moistness within."
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and the guy he randomly killed with a spoon
Yes he was being rude, but if that's enough to allow gaunter to kill him, there would be no person left in the witcher universe.
He is a Devil and a Devil punishes sinners, devilishly
I think he killed him because he kept him waiting, Geralt had just entered, he went up to Geralt and wouldn’t let him pass, the devil doesn’t really have patience after all
When i was playing blood and wine and came accros the old lady with the spoon and gaunter o dims theme started playing, made the hairs on me stand up.
This game is written soooooooo fucking good.
Best decision ever in regard to gaming that i bought this one.
Gaunter simply likes to toy with human lives, I don't see him as someone who would "punish bad people", but he finds it amusing to see the most horrible people break, we can see how he enjoys trashing Vlodimir. He operates through contracts because he likes to do that, it's fun for him.
He's awesome!
Imagine that you can 'hack' into someones brain and controlling it, and they can do nothing about it, even i would find that funny. For gaunter odimm, humans are like ants to him
Sadly that also affects the good people around them. But then again, O‘Dimm would argue that said horrible people are responsible for that…
@@WitcherGeorge how is being devil awesome
@Masochist Retard ofcourse he is a fictional character, and also horrible
Heart of stone wasn't a byproduct of immortality, though it didn't help, but the real reason Olgierd changed so much was his wish to live and enjoy every day of his life like it was his last, which was great at first, but then it backfired when it caused him to become emotionless and obsessed with new sensations. Olgierd was overall rather naive and somewhat careless in his dealings with Odimm, didn't think his wishes and conditions through well enough.
Nice!
To be fair, he had no idea of what he was dealing with. But also to his shame, he could have researched further and searched for a Djinn, which could have worked out waaay better..!
Andor Radnai Even Djinn’s do you over like that sometimes as well though .
Even if you're aware of the fact that your words are going to be twisted against you, there's honestly not a whole heck of a lot you can do to stop it. Sure, you could meticulously word smith a wish so that it's very hard to give you anything other than what you want, except I don't actually think you could. I don't think anyone could so meticulously account for every single detail that could be maliciously interpreted. And I also think that even if they could, the backwards nasty logic that allows for the interpretation would still cheat you.
I'll concede that Olgierd was naive, but only in that he trafficked with a wish granting entity that he didn't certainly know to be benevolent.
One of the best characters in gaming. He was phenomenal.
Amazing
I'd add another layer to this...
Gaunter exists outside of time and space, he is an entity beyond knowing, not human, but something that exists beyond our reality, beyond even other worlds or realities, he is born somewhere between the cracks between the worlds, from the void and made of shadow.
All of this stuff is referenced in the game, when asked he tells geralt he isn't Human and not from this world, he has a gwent card depicting him in another form, he looks a lot like a hym, just an inky black shadow creature with the ability to multiply and summon other cards bearing his name, so hes at least a suggested polymorph from his gwent cards (he also has a human form gwent card), plus hes a confirmed polymorph as revealed in the cutscene where geralt defeats him - his face changes (pointy cheek bones and ears, greyed skin, glowing eyes) at the very least we learn first hand that his human form is an illusion.
We know he can bend the rules of time and knows every person's future fate in detail, he can create nightmare-riddle pocket dimensions and drag subjects into these realms, he is the master of immense other worldly power, and we know it's not magic because geralts medallion fails to react, plus G O'D (coincidence?) says so himself, he detests magic and thinks it just a cheap imitation of real power, such as his own. Furthermore it seems implied then that his power is natural, he can control the weather as demonstrated on the ship and I suspect the burning house the wild ones were in was gaunters doing also, notice the intense lighting storm JUST over the roof of that house?
Gaunter is most similar to the nightmare cryptids of the hp lovectaft universe, his intentions are unknowable, his movies are unclear, his nature is totally alien and his power is unfathomable, not only that but his suggestion that anyone who learned his true name/identity met death or a fate even worse, is again a link to biblical or lovecraftian horror and monsters with the mind-flaying names of these otherworldly deities, a common fate for anyone who learned these names.
I could go on with the mirror, old gods and other kind of symbology that make up his identity, but I'm satisfied to conclude he is either the devil, the god, or another kind of actual God, deity, or high ranking servant of the gods imbued with godly power to use as he sees fit. Worth noting also, the way he loves disguising his intent behind simple word plays, he claims to be a simple mirror merchant, and technically he is, he sells people reflections of themselves, so to enter a contract with him is to have purchased a mirror from him.
At this point maybe i can say that Gaunter is Nyarlathothep because only he is the only outer god that is interested in humans and will drive anyone insane from knowing too much about him.
Nyarlathotep
I think O’Dimm is the Witcher Universe’s equivalent of “The Devil”, Lucifer, whatever you want to call him. He is the WU’s head diety of evil and darkness. The wording I’ll use is for convenience, not to link him to Judeochristian lore. His initials spell out GOD, and he claims to be a “merchant of mirrors” and “master mirror”. I think he is Lucifer, and his chosen name is taking a stab at God, fitting for his personality. God (or associated character in various religions) is the head diety of good/light. So O’Dimm’s association with mirrors is alluding to him being the “mirror image” of God, except he’s the other side of the mirror - the dark side. O’Dimm is God’s evil equal in the eternal battle of good versus evil.
To me he is the embodiment of the devil, or a demon for sure. His love for word play, granting peoples wishes in a twisted way, and being a contractor of souls is mainly a demons thing.
Bunch of nonsense, he's a devil.
To think that he was in the game even before the dlc release. Cd Projekt Red had all planned from the start. When I played the game shortly after release I expected to see Gunter in a sidequest or something after what he said at the orchard inn, yet he turned out he's a supernatural beeing. Well done, well done!!!(Still on what drugs were cd projekt when they came up with all of this, like... only if you're high you can get such crazy ideeas.)
He appears as npcs throughout the dlc also guards and shit.
@@boulderthefat154 Yea I know that, yet the first time I played the expansion I didin't notice.
@azir remember the scene at white orchard? after they talked gaunter walked around the table, geralt turns around and he disappeared, though he couldve gone through the door but its not enough time imo so i guess it was a slight teaser^^
@@Ennjoying
When Geralt turns round and looks around with a confused face, I assumed the characters would be back
CDPR planned many things well ahead - remember Orianna? Choosing her path in B&W, the first time you hear her sing the Lullaby of Woe as she sits in front of you, you will immediately realise this moment was planned since before the base game was even released.
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Also one more thing I think is worth mentioning is O'Dimm's ability to control the dead (the scene where he tortures the ghost of Vlodimir). Just further shows specter of his powers
Another awesome video! For me, O'Dimm is the most interesting character in the game.
Very cool character!
When DLC villain turns out to be best villain.
Imagine him vs Wild Hunt. He'll kick their ass.
Or any true high vampire
He's not evil you say? Locking a person in a fucking circle and telling him that if he exits he is dead, then sending him dreams how he had a beautiful and clever daughter that loved him and then sending another dream how she died in his arms..... Just because the professor was reading information about Gaunter... That seems incredibly evil and sick to me.
Satan is the same. By some religion it goes like: who shall peek his interest of who god is or what he is, shall burn in the deepest fires of hell. Its even restricted to wonder what god looks like, so you shall burn in hell if you did
He researched him to use him, and to help rid Olg of Gaunter. You could say he was poking the fire
Gaunter O'Dimm is like Czart in Polish legends, especially in one with Pan Twardowski. That's amazing how they include folklore in this game.
Nice!
Mia Kafe what does he/she do? I’m interested
@@edward6749 So Czart is like a male demon in Slavic culture. According to the legend "Czarcia Lapa" from city of Lublin, in 1637 a trial of a widow took place in the Lublin Crown Tribunal. The party in the dispute was a wealthy magnate, who bribed the judges. Teh judges, regardless of the facts, admitted his principal. The distraught widow raised her hands to the crucifix hanging in the courtroom and cried: "If devils were judges, they would have issued a more just sentence!" Her voice, full of anger and pain, echoed in the high halls of the Lublin court. On the same night, in the courtroom at midnight, mysterious characters appeared clad in noble robes. Terrified writer, recording the course of the trial, saw the devil horns skillfully hidden in the raven hair and smelled of sulfur. Demons issued a sentence in favor of a woman. In order to seal it, demon judge Czart put his hand on the table, burning the palm of his hand on the board. It was then when Christ, on the crucifix in the courtroom, turned his head so as not to look at how diabolical courts are more just than human ones. A table with a burned-out devil's paw (called originally Czarcia Łapa), dating from before 1578, stands in the museum at the Lublin castle.
The second legend with Czart is about Pan Twardowski (eng. Mr.Twardowski) a Polish nobleman who sold his soul to the devil. Twardowski is the main character of several fairy tales and legends, almost all of which presents a different story. One of the best known is that he is currently on the moon.
According to legend, Twardowski was a nobleman who lived in Krakow (old capital of Poland) in the 16th century. He sold his soul to the devil in exchange for great knowledge and power of magic. However, he wanted to outwit the devil, so he added a paragraph to the signed agreement telling that the devil could take his soul to hell only in Rome, which Twardowski did not plan to visit.
With the help of a devil, Twardowski gained wealth and fame, eventually becoming the magician of King Zygmunt August. After the death of king's wife, the king surrounded himself with astrologers, alchemists and magicians. As legend has it, Twardowski managed to evoke the spirit of the late queen Barbara through the use of the magical Twardowski's Mirror.
After many years, at the tavern called Rome, Czart finally caught Twardowski. During the abduction devil lost Twardowski on the way. Twardowski landed on the Moon, where he stays to this day.
Mia Kafe that’s cool. I’ve always found other countries folklore interesting. I’m Hispanic and from Texas and there isn’t much of that here other than the “Texas Chainsaw Massacre” and “La Llorona”. I also didn’t know “The Wild Hunt” was actually a European myth, or something🙃
That's what I think and that's why he scares me so much.
Great video. I loved that bit at the end about him holding up the mirror of realty. I never thought about it this way, love it.
No more videos on the master mirror, less you know the better. I don't want bad fortune befall on you George, he might visit you and draw you a circle.
aha
The circle is now called "coronavirus lockdown". Watch out for rolling bottles of hydroxychloroquine!
I think Gaunter is a genie. Not a typical genie, a witcher lore genie.
The reason I think this is because a Book I found in olgeird's black magic room when in the painted world. I can't remember everything it said but it described gaunter almost perfectly. I remember the end quote said "Their purpose is beyond human understanding".
There was a lot of other information in that book. Please remember when replaying the game to look in that room and read the book.
I also think The black dog and cat you meet are somehow connected with Gaunter. Because that professor said "One person beat him and that was by challenging him at his own game". I think that person was the Black dog who tells exactly how to beat him at the end of the painted world mission saying "Beware of the Man of glass, If you get in trouble, look for glass that cannot be broken".
Nice!
Oh nice. If he's the king of djinns though, by islamic mythos (yes they are mythos) he would be THE Djinn, or Lucifer (Satan was originally a Djinn who got to serve Allah directly as an archangel because of his devotion, before his downfall).
@@greyngreyer5 no he is never an archangel, but a djinn who rose to a height even the angels could not fathom. He is not an angel, a djinn superior. The bible takes it literally.
@@lifeshackradio3048 Buddy, you have to say "according to". Otherwise you look silly discussing fairy tales.
@@greyngreyer5 you discuss Islam, I am telling you the general consensus of what Satan or Shaitan is. Rest you can go and do your research if you like to. Whether you believe it or not is altogether another matter, its existence is another. It is a fairy tale as long as you want it to be.
O'dimm went down to velen, he was lookin for a soul to steal
O'dim very much reminds me of The Outsider from Dishonored
Good point!
Omg i knew so much about him but i forgot it all. He is basically a god like odimm, but he doesnt appear in the real world, only in the void
however the outsider is no where near as evil compared to O'dimm
G-Man from Half-life. Both can stop time, both don't have absolute power (G-Man has his employers). One difference is that G-Man is not inherently evil and doesn't take souls, but can force you to work for him when he wants it.
My theory is that good ol' Gaunter has had a hand in each and every event of the Witcher series. He is far more than a "person".
Great video! O'Dimm is a perfect gray character in the morally gray world of the witcher
So cool!
It makes sense saying he isn't evil, BUT he does prey in the weaknesses of people.
Like the devil in the biblical sense.
If he wasn't a Satan-esk character but a karma dishing character he wouldn't kill at random like the spoon in the eye scene.
Kind of like how the biblical God kills millions of people just because He got upset with them or how He lets people suffer in agonizing pain for no reason. Or in the Book of Job where God causes Job to lose everything he has, and be plagued with sickness and disease just to prove a point.
In islam, The devil want to seduce human into corruption/sin/hell until the end of the day. Remember Gaunter's song? Gaunter want to torment us (human) untill the stars expire (big bang/end of the day)
Nice point!
Maybe that old guy was evil and because of it gaunter punished him
He distracted and annoyed geralt, while odimm saw it. Odim also wanted to show the power of what he can do
A lot of people seem to miss that Gaunter is not all powerfull or all knowing. If you do the Hearts of Stone questline before the main quest and side with Gaunter, you can ask him to help you find Ciri, to which he replies that he can't help with that and that certain things are out of his control.
could of just been saying that cause he's a lazy bastard.
"O'dimm didn't do anything to people who didn't do anything bad" WHAT ABOUT SPOON GUY THEN? HE JUST WANTED TO BUY GERALT A DRINK
@I Am Who I Am We don't certainly know that he was aware of Geralt's already being in a conversation. Plus, it's ridiculous to frame the pedestrian's getting skull fucked with a wooden spoon as anything other than excessive.
@I Am Who I Am geez so interrupting someone warrants a spoon to the Brain?
I love everything about O'Dimm. The character, his basic but interesting face, the AMAZING voice acting, his actions, his style, everything is perfect!
he's great!
Did anyone else make a connection that perhaps Gaunter O'Dimm is the same being as Walter O'Dimm/The Man in Black/Randall Flagg from The Dark Tower series and The Stand? Similar powers and similar motivations...
There is also the Stephen King charakter Leland Gaunt from Needfull Things who is essentialy the faustian Mephisopheles (Satan)
Gaunt + O'Dimm = Gaunter O'Dimm
Will we come across Gaunter in Cyberpunk 2077, you think?
You never know
I hope
Don't think so, CDPR has often stated they don't want to mix the Witcher universe with Cyberpunk
But they may be lying on purpose 😋
kaushal suvarna it’d be damn mistake not to insert any Witcher related stuff into Cyberpunk. I bet many players playing the game soon will also be longtime fans of Witcher who hope they’ll come across some juicy Witcher references and easter eggs
@@rhetiq9989 ya in between they were having some disputes with the author, Andrzej Sapkowski, so thr may have been legal reasons to keep Witcher out of it.
But as we've learnt, there are indeed Witcher references like the wolf emblem on Dexter's shoes
So fingers crossed
Man I wish that he would have been expanded on even further. He's almost the most interesting character of Witcher 3 entirely.
I love how in the base game they had him right there, well before he was any sort of important character, I still after all this time remember when I realised who he was a from the tavern, such a cool touch
I think Olgierd is basically the ultimate universal debtor. Now let me explain a bit: I think what he does is he starts a pact, and then uses his older pacts with other creatures to aid in fulfilling that pact, for example he might have used a pact with a djinn to call the storm on the ofieri ship Geralt was on, as a way to cancel some debt the djinn had to him. Or, more directly, as he used a pact with Geralt in order to complete his pact with Olgierd, and by extension used the djinn in that too.
I think he gains his powers by these pacts, for example he might have at some point made a pact with some creature that as a payment gave him the ability to control time like he does, and he might have made another to be able to become truly immortal like he evidently is. To complete the pacts with these extraordinarily powerful creatures, he again might use debts of less powerful creatures like djinns or somesuch to help him complete the pacts.
I think alone he cannot actually do that much, but as basically the worst debt collector imaginable he is terrifyingly capable as he uses debts to cancel other debts.
Oreo Lamp
*gaunter not Olgierd
It's pacts all the way down
Maybe do a video on the Catriona plague or on the land of a thousand fables?
oooh Catriona would really be interesting
Good idea!
Thank you so much i really, really love gaunter o’dimm
He's amazing!
I just finished the whole game for the 2nd time and the DLC's for the first. Love your videos my guy, me and my brother are huge fans of the games and your channel. Don't stop!
You forgot to mention, that Gaunter actually made it possible for Geralt to save Olgerd - by having him there at the first place and devising a game, that Geralt could actually win. Also, if you let Olgerd die, he actually offers Geralt a contact, so in that way he sees that Geralt is not good and can be corrupted. Other than that - good, strong theory you have here, congrats.
He offers Geralt a reward for helping him to fulfill a contract.
Lovely Theory. Makes a lotta sense. Just one thing, regarding the whole contract business, I'd say Gaunter O'Dimm is able to do whatever he wishes outside contracts, as with Professor Shakeslock, the dude at the inn, Marlene de Trastamara, etc. but he can't claim their souls. That's the catch to the deal / contract with Olgierd - his soul. The devil can fuck around with you whenever he pleases, but if you want something in return, if you want a deal, you gotta give your soul in return. There's probably some rules or something where he can't take souls as he pleases. He can mess with people's lives, but can't claim their soul unless they offer it willingly in exchange.
Clicked on the video here Gaunter's theme instant like it's my ringtone for a reason what a masterpiece
It's so cool!
He most likely needs contracts in order to take a soul which is said to be the one thing he craves more than anything. So Im guessing while he can kill people at will, he has little cause to do so as that only means one less soul he can devour.
I think you hit the nail completely on professor shakeslock. I agree that his punishment was made because he “played wirh evil”/ inserted himself unknowingly into mirrors world.
However it does also make an interesting idea. If its true that shakeslock began to find out too much about O’dimm does that mean there are other important secrets still to be revealed about O’Dimm? Possibly his true purpose, weakness and such? Its a teasing thought that somewhere in the witcher world, are puzzles which together solves the riddle of O’Dimm yet which will never be revealed thanks to his intervening.
What a great character. Straight out of lovecraft!
I really love this character. My theory is contracts must be something akin to fun to Gaunter. Imagine being as powerful as him. It might be fun for a while but after who knows how long it will become boring and contracts are a way of having fun. He can be amused how people suffer from their own wishes and watch how they might struggle in getting out of the contract. We are told that he is evil but this is coming from people bound by human morality. Gaunter is not bound by this. To me this just all seems to be a game to him. He has created rules for himself that he must follow. If someone is attempting to wiggle their way out of a contract he must find a way to fulfill the contract without directly interfering. He could have done this easily but instead he used Geralt. I think he found it interesting to see how Geralt would go about it.
Now here is an interesting question. Is Gaunter O'Dimm the only one of his kind or are there more like him out there?
Nice theory!
I think he is the only one because he can controll time. If there were others, they would prob wanting to kill each other because only 1 can be the ruler. and in most of the religions, there is only 1 god and 1 satan.
He tells that he needed help of his associates to grant olgierd the things he wished so i believe there are others like him but they just don't conceal themselves
He says he isn't a jhinn but calls for associates that could make him devil maybe and the associates of his are jhinn
This DLC scared the shit out of me on my first play through. I wish we get more of this character in the future.
Creepy character!
I agree! Gaunter was peculiar BUT I never felt he was a threat. He is easily one of my most favorite characters in gaming.
Him and Regis are the most interesting characters to me. Their so alien and so hard to truly grasp how awesomely powerful and complex they are.
While Gaunter is seen as Mephistopheles in Hearts of Stone, I always thought of him as a kind of universal judge, jury and executioner, passing judgment on those he sees as sinful, but holding to a moral code which prevents him from killing someone unless he first tricks them into committing this sin.
Nice idea!
Naja, bei der Sache mit dem Löffel hat er sich nur "gestört" gefühlt 😉
i like that theory as well, however he did kill the man in the bar for just being rude which goes against it a bit
He doesnt trick people. The people are tricked by their own wishes.
@@ALTAI38 well, the thing with the "standing on the moon" certainly was a trick. And I think thar he O'Dimm severly downplays the consequences of the deal
O'dimm just gives u back how you treat people, like a mirror does with the reflections thats why he called master mirror as well
I don't think Shakeslock was punished. I think he was awarded.
As O'Dim said, those who have known his nature have suffered a fate worse than death.
So by blinding him, he made sure he would never learn more about him and receive that fate.
I think Gaunter was genuinelly entertained by the fact someone did so much homework on him.
I love the interactions with him in the game and his theme song is great.
It is amazing!
Great video George! Gaunter O’Dimm is easily one of the best characters in tw3
Very cool character!
*the best
Gaunter is absolutely the antagonist of the DLC. Every bad thing that happens can be traced back to him, through manipulation and deceit. Hell, you can only get the inspirational sunrise ending (symbolizing rebirth) after defeating him, whereas siding with him we literally get a skull thrown at the screen.
He IS the bad guy of Hearts of Stone.
Dammit, you've convinced me to play this expansion again for the third time.
Have fun!
Since I just finished my replay of Hearts of Stone just like... two hours ago and I wanted more discussion on O'Dimm, I think it's fair to add some feedback here. Because I do think he does have this intent of aiming for evil people, but I think there's a bit more than that. When playing the last quest, you can run into a Hym in O'Dimm's world, and that alone I feel is a good hint into his true nature. Hyms prey on the guilty, but they don't do it out of some grand purpose of wanting atonement, rather wanting the suffering of their victims. And I think it's similar in O'Dimm's case, to be honest. At least that's the vibe I get.
Further underlining the point of O'Dimm being a "Mirror" to people:
Witchers: "Yeah I'll kill that monster, for money"
O'Dimm to Geralt on the boat: "I'll save your life, if you agree to do something for me".
The difference: Geralt didn't put the monsters out there in the first place to compel villagers to pay him. O'Dimm is (indirectly, as always) responsible for creating the conditions in which Geralt requires his help.
I love this dlc. Amazing characters, o'dim and iris are now my favorite characters in the game. The everettes are also complex and interesting people. I dont know much about Shani but her relationship with Gerald is very relatable.
I always believe that Gaunter is an ancient entity, an ambidextrous fella, who is playing the world on its head and seeks knowledge of everything to do that for possibilities that he sees in people, whether good or bad. Of course, he’s more deceptive and more specific and helpful than the in-game spirits/wraiths. He’s a being separate than what we would call hell because he doesn’t fall in line with what we normally assume demons to need: the seven sins. He embodies the seven virtues as well thus making him more grounded than a demon would. Gaunter is literally a broker and dealmaker and instigator all mashed together. He knows where Ciri and Yennifer were but he choose not to tell Geralt about Ciri. In the ending of the DLC, if you choose to side with him, He says to Geralt that he cannot meddle in certain things. This clues into his knowledge about the Elder races and the prophecy of the white frost. He also can foresee what happens when Geralt is with Ciri because he warns Geralt to not do certain things that could harm her future. Gaunter knows more than he lets on and he only intervenes at opportune moments for himself and for people he chooses to associate with. I believe that Gaunter is more capable than we realize. The abandoned estate of Marlene is filled with barghests and Foglets so obviously Gaunter May have attracted the presence of these creatures near the area with his aura and curse left behind tainting the house and its grounds.
Nice!
@@suyashbhagwat5615 he is the most powerfull villain in the game
Like the crones are a nod to the MacBeth witches, Gaunter is a nod to rumplestilskin, from there they got the spoon theme and his interest in contracts where people pay much to high prices.
The name comes from the mage named "The man in black" who's name is Walter O'Dimm in the Dark Tower from Stephen King, which like Gaunter carries many and more names.
Leland Gaunt was the name the character seemed to take in Needful Things, if that was Randall Flagg.
He's a copy of Mephisto, a character in Goethe's very famous play "Faust".
I'd say that the old custom of turning up with a bowel and spoon was a type of contract to o' dimm it's expected of a host to help the one in need. As she refused this is her breaking her side of the contract.
Good point! It's literally a social contract!
Gaunter’s desire is souls. Souls apparently can only be given willingly hence the contracts.
My hypothesis.
killing is a snap of the finger for O’Dim and he gains nothing from it as he can not claim a soul not given.
His other acts are merely for twisted amusement. His contracts are for the souls.
He shares much with Satan. Temptation, want, desires of the flesh at the expense of one’s soul.
Regarding Shakeslock: When in the Inn when Gaunter had frozen time you can ask who Gaunter actually is and Gaunter will tell you something along the lines of "everyone who finds out dies" and says he will not tell you as he still has a use for you. Shakeslock also tells you that you ought to forget him for your own safety.
This tells me that Gaunter punishes and torments not only those who know too much but perhaps you bring him onto yourself by merely thinking of him as well.
Gaunter reminds me of Q from Star Trek
Ayyye, much love George, been watching the content for a couple months. Keep it up mate.
Thank you!
Nice video but you missed some details. First of all , O'dimm made a lot of pacts and while i agree the 2 we saw (The woman who got cursed and Olgierd ) were douches , he also took life of the Ofieri soldiers (some of them ) and the other guy who was talking with Geralt in the ship also died due the storm.
Secondly , you meet him at the crossroads , where you meet demons/satan to make contracts.
Third , every time he appears and dissapears , you can hear the word devil by someone.
Fourth , O'Dimm looks like a serpent when he get banished . In Christian culture , Satan , when he met Eva , was a snake/serpent.
5th : His name is nothing for me , honestly . The professor said that he goes under different cultures with different names , same as Satan has different name in Christianity and different name in other religions.
6th : It wasn't O'Dimm who found Olgierd but Olgierd summoned O'Dimm because a witch told Olgierd about o'dimm
7th: Same as Satan , he drives people mad via contracts with taking their souls (selling my soul to satan , they say) . Also , when O'Dimm got asked what is he , he replied that anyone who learnt his name faced death or worst fate. Worst fate than death is either live a misserable life or be in hell .
8th : He didn't really try to drive Geralt into contract because he knew he would need him soon. See , after a very little time you can start HoS dlc .
9nth : The DLC is based on a legend with Pan Twardowski .
I think the game implies that o'dimm is satan in many ways.
Weird that Christian culture claims the serpent was Satan even though he and Yahweh were still allies in the book of Job and remain allies until he tries to prevent Jesus's sacrifice.
@@The_Chef2511 Even then he mostly tempts Jesus, not trying to prevent it, but rather testing his willpower and devotion. But yeah, the whole modern concept of Satan was basically invented after the Old Testament and added on a lot more after the New Testament as well. Also he's never called Lucifer in the Bible: it's a mistranslation and a misconception. It comes from a taunting passage directed at the king of Babylon where he is compared to the morning star a.k.a. Venus, also called Lucifer in Latin. The whole proud defiance of God thing is not addressed to Satan, it's talking about the king of Babylon! He was like a bright star at first, then fell from heaven's grace. As for the serpent, I think the Bible literally implies it was a snake that was cursed to crawl/slither after what it did. Apparently it had legs before. Just like humans were cursed to be mortal, give birth in pain etc.
There is a slavic saying: To show someone a mirror. To show someone how they act towards others, by acting same way towards them. You are first one, who pointed this in a video. Good job.
O'Dimm is my favorite character and type of character, like the Man in the Wall from Warframe.
The last part about his moniker, Master Mirror, you brought up a very interesting point. I think you hit the nail on the head.
Thank you man!
i found a journal and broken mirror about Gaunter O Dimm in blood wine when you do a side quest about a play.
oh you mean that elven theatre just on the other side of the lake? that was really creepy too
oh yes and hearing that music. i thought Gaunter O Dimm was looking for payback since beating him at that riddle.
Which quest
@@the_dropbear4392 once you finish the third task and go to Olgierd to ask to meet him at Lilvani temple
@@DonPatrono he said in blood and wine
Pretty sure the mark that he gives Geralt is approximately the mark of Cain. That would explain why he kills that guy with a spoon; although the mark binds Geralt to helping him, it also guarantees him protection while working for O’Dimm
I think the reason he doesn't mess with Geralt at the beginning of The Witcher 3 is because he knows that their paths will cross later down the road.
gaunter has no restrictions except those he imposes upon himself
The only reason i have no problem with helping Gaunter O'Dimm is because i was just helping him finish up a contract they both swore by
I suppose so!
My reaction was that while he was reflecting the evil of Olgierd, there is no crime you can do in a finite life that merits eternal punishment. So I decided to play the game of wits with O'Dimm not because I was seeking to purge an evil but instead because the crime doesn't fit the punishment. It doesn't help however that you can't really trust a being like O'Dimm to be "honorable" and only pray on those that "deserve it".
This man has one of the most wholesome voices on UA-cam
I think he makes deals to get souls. Simple as if he just kills them then he doesn’t get them.
Yep
One more group of people he had deals with was the dwarfs Gerald met in the isle of mist
He's based on a classic trickster archetype. Very fun character though I honestly don't think he quite fits into the Witcher world. Be interested in the analysis of what his gifts to geralt can be, and his final words upon defeat.
I would like to see a video examining more closely the worlds A'vallach and Geralt travel through to reach bv the Aen Elle.
Good idea!
Yes please!! I’ve wanted this since I first played TW3
An idea for video, could be about which kind of monster contracts are most common and least dangerous to the rarest and most dangerous
Good idea!
gaunter o'dimm is another persona taken upon by walter o'dimm in stephen kings "the dark tower" series. hes a quasi-morphing wizard who travels to various worlds. geralt is roland of gilead (roland came from a prestigious military-like school , so did geralt). also, the towers of the universe are like the schools of the witcher (bear cat wolf snake etc)
No he's not, he's from an old polish folk tale about the devil
Aha
Excellent and informative content, as always! Kudos
Thank you!
Am I the only one who actually likes Gaunter o’dimm
Nope, he is one of the most faceted characters in The Witcher series.
I feel like people wrongly assume he has some kind of code. I think he's only bound by his nature. If he was a misled goody two shoes that punished "sinners" he wouldn't have tormented Shakeslock. Instead, he made his life a hell for wanting to know him. And I think that's the very thing ^^ "Seek evil and you shall know it, know evil and you shall get it".
if you think o'dimm makes contracts only with bad guys that means geralt is a bad guy too
He made a different kind of contract with Geralt. It was more of a business deal with them both benefiting ( O'Dimm getting Olgierd's soul and Geralt escaping the Ofieri and then getting his mark removed)
It was more of a favour than a contract to Geralt. “I’ll help you and you help me” sort of thing.
I think I remember him saying something about that he had to contact his companions because Olgierd's wishes were too demanding (or something along those lines) when Geralt asked him about Olgiert at the crossroad. I'd be very interested in what would his companions be like and I'm very surprised that nobody's talking about this. Great video btw!
Thank you!
the character Gaunter after watching this video, im still questioning whether what choices throughout the dlc i made was good or bad. My first play through of the game including the dlc's, i hated Olgierd for being, a prick (kindly as i can say). Im replaying witcher 3 now but taking my time to explore the game itself, but something i ask myself is, what are others opinion on Ciri's future, to become Empress or Witcher?
My first run at witcher 3 was seeing Ciri being Empress and i found that ok with myself knowing she will be safe, but hearing a few other friends of mine saying witcher Ciri is better, idk lol
Witcher George, whats ur opinion on Ciri's future?
The only answer is "it depends".
Olgierd is no saint, he did terrible things specially to Iris, let him die is not an "evil" option, not entirely but he seems genuinely sorry and regretful for what he did and most of the things he did were a side effect of the heart of stone. Saving him is a good option too, I've always saved him (in my 3 playthroughs) but there's no good or bad choice.
Same with Ciri, make her an empress to the world's greatest empire and make sure the whole continent lives happy under her kind ruling and not in fear anymore or make her a witcheress, her dream since childhood with the best witcher as tutor. No choice is wrong, no choice is the definitive choice. I always choose witcheress path though.
It's very interesting and I personally like witcher ciri.
I think that Empress Ciri makes more sense. Like most of the game, it is not feel good, but is gray. As empress she could do the most good, and the bittersweet reaction Geralt gives, that tired sigh when he sees her entourage waiting for her at White Orchard, is more fitting for the tone of the games.
@@Witcherino emhyr did summon geralt to find her daughter. When we asked 'why do i need to find her' he says that she trusts us. When we asked 'what will you do with ciri' he doesnt answer. We can see here that emhyr wants to use the connection of geralt (ciri was adopted by geralt) to bring her back. If emhyr took ciri back herself, she would not want to. Also we can know that emhyr does not care for ciri, but for nilfgaard. If emhyr said what he was gonna do with ciri BEFORE geralt started to find her, geralt would disagree with him/her and wanting ciri to become a witcher. You see, if you had an adopted child and you thaught her to be a witcher, would you want her to be a empress?? I doubt it. So the best choice for GERALT is to choose witcher ciri. Emhyr basically used you if you made ciri an empress
@@ALTAI38 Geralt never wanted Ciri to be a witcher. He, and rest of witchers taught her about witcher things, because this was all they knew about. It was also to give her a mean to defend herself. Book Geralt would want her to become empress.
The entire Hearts of Stone DLC is HEAVILY based on Polish folk tale of "Pan Twardowski" with a few twists to make it more interesting in the game. I'd even risk saying that the story in W3 is better developed than any variation I've read or heard before. Gaunter is basically equivalent of Devil Boruta who made a deal with titular Mr. Twardowski and granted him wishes for the payment of his soul. Boruta was known to appear on the crossroads sitting on a Willow tree - exactly how we get to know Gaunter in the DLC. The moon twist that Olgierd uses in the contract also comes from the story - Twardowski agreed that Devil would take is soul only in Rome but he never actually intented on getting to Rome - Boruta had to lure him into an Inn called "Rome" to seal the deal. Eventually Twardowski managed to escape while being taken by the devil to... the Moon, so the most familiar depiction of Twardowski is a Polish Nobleman (imagine a man dressed like... well Olgierd) sitting on a moon. Sounds familiar?
Entire Hearts of Stone DLC is full of nods and jokes relating to Polish literature and folk tales. Take the wedding at Bronovitz. There is an early XX century drama called "The Wedding" by Wyspiański that takes place in (then village, now a district in Kraków) Bronowice. And guess what? All sorts of supernatural stuff happens during the night.
There’s another point to your theory; when O’Dimm offers you a choice of rewards if you let him take Olgeird’s soul, Geralt gives the most open-ended and ambiguous wishes ever (its kind of dumb really considering you’ve spent the whole time learning that phrasing your wishes wrong means shit will hit the fan). Yet despite the fact O’Dimm could very easily have used the open-ended non-specific answers to twist his reward, he instead gave Geralt exactly what he wanted instead of what he asked for.
That shows you he is not evil at all, as he could very easily have screwed Geralt over if he wanted.
Funny, if the professor was able to find Knowledge on regarding his identity. That must mean that there is 100% information about O Dimm in the world. How old could dimm be.
Gaunter is just Patches
Really good vid. I'd like to add an interpretaion of the "Master Mirror" (which is essentially what you said throughout the video):
Gaunter is the personification of "Bad Karma", essentially acting as a mirror which reflects bad actions back towards the culprit.
Thanks!
In helping Olgierd, when he says "It's finally done", I'm like "Yup, good luck atoning for everything, best of luck" as I saunter off with my new sword.
You talked about the spoon curse. Thank you!
Np!
i have a different theory myself...it has many of the characteristics you said so i wont go in too many details....EVERYONE who know about my true nature has met a fate worst than death...that could easily mean another version of hell where those he owns go OOOOR (and here is my version) realize that he isn't exactly a demon or The Devil....HE is a very arrogant Gaunter O.Dim ..his name fully implies what he is ...he is the GOD of the witcher universe...now THAT is more scary and what a fate worse than death for a living to realize everything about the afterlife is declared from a person like him...finding out that a dull and void nothingness at the very least expects you..or worse ONLY HELL there is for one after death...
Now...the question or the plotholes you are gonna introduce are 2 ...did geralt outwitted GOD or how a GOD couldnt locate Ciri when an elven mage did with magical means..and remember Odim finds magic pathetic and archaic.
I believe the first is a wickness he allows to himself to have...otherwise what is gonna be the point of all this charade with the pacts ..he could just DO IT...and if he can not loose that why would he bother with it anyway contract or a challenger or anything.....
and the second is because he doesn't care to locate (easily) people who don't meddle with him ...the professor was discovered after he started finding stuff about him...and also odim knew geralt would find her but didnt want to meddle with the ordeal directly..and only does IF you ask how to treat Ciri after letting Olgierd die...because he knows that Geralt can FUCK UP on that department
Geralt didn't outwit him, he just solved a riddle set by O'Dimm
But I agree
Nice theory!
I think odimm didnt told ciris location because he wants everyone to WORK for the truth, they need to deserve it. Finding ciri is also 50% of the main storyline
I honestly loved both GOD and Olgreid!
None of them were the usual black "Antagonist" of other stories and games but rather both of them were complicated, relatable and likable!
TBH I did not expect to enjoy the HOS this much considering how short it was!
I kind disagree being of a reflection of the person. He did not harm Geralt at White Orchid because needed him. We know from him the Elder Blood can't be sensed by him. So, Geralt plays a major role in finding and protecting Ciri. If wasn't Geralt, Ciri would never stop the White Frost and being chased or even captured by the Wild Hunt. What is the purpose to live in a world where nobody lives? Go to another realm where nobody knows you? Where is the fun in that? Or it even can be chased by the Wild Hunt if they conquer the planet where it resided. Isn't strange to see exactly when the frog, Prince, died, the Ofiri appeared? It passed 3-4 months since was there. Is your fucking prince, find him as fast you can. This allowed to Gaunter O'Dimm to make Geralt resolve the wishes for Olgierd and get his soul. GOD orchestrated this to the beginning because knew the finding of Yennefer or Ciri would never be a good trade. I tell you where are they (Yen knows exactly, Ciri doesn't know because of the Elder Blood), but you do 3 wishes for me. He just let Geralt leave just because of complete his part of the bargain, nothing more.
His purpose is to play, it happens the corrupt are those who are more easily dragged to a contract, the honest ones are not prospective clients. The fact he punishes is not a moral thing but for his pleasure.