Treasure Planet - A Hidden Sci-Fi Gem
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- I was never a Disney kid growing up, but for this Hidden Sci-Fi Gem we take a look at Treasure Planet, one of the biggest flops in the studio's history. It doesn't make Treasure Planet any less enjoyable though.
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I've always loved this one as well
Dunno if you've thought about doing a video on "Forbidden Planet?" AKA the original Star Trek movie.
I especially liked the song, "I'm Still Here", which touched me as a song of trying to prove your merit amidst adversity. Still does to this day.
Hi Rowan. The links are broken. Can you fix them?
For Hidden Gems You should do Titan A.E. It’s an amazing and underrated animated movie like Treasure Planet.
"There are nights when the winds of the Etherium, so inviting in their promise of flight and freedom, made one's spirit soar."
Such an awesome opening to a movie :)
There's no wind in space!
@@shmee123ful But there is In the Etherium
@@shmee123ful
EM solar winds actually are infinite range, though affected by the inverse-square law of course.
Wait has Spacedock done an episode on Treasure Planet ships/a ship from Treasure Planet?
This film is the definition of 'should've been a bigger hit.' The only reason it wasn't is because Disney did it dirty: not advertising, releasing at a bad time, etc.
Today, how do we react to remakes that take the original idea in a new direction? Eg. Fem Ghostbusters. Total Recall. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Usually we see it as a bad idea
We saw these types of movies in the same way back then. We disliked the idea totally
@@trunkage The problem is remakes don t change the original idea nor the story. Also they try to play of nostalgia and are lower quality than the original.
John Carter suffered the same fate. Disney dropped the ball on that one too.
They did advertise it, but... they spoiled that silver was evil. Why watch a movie if the trailer tells you too much?
@Gene Bone im just saying that because spoiling the main villan (which is supposed to be a twist villian) isn't fun to watch...
I really hate how these kind of animated films were so heavily criticized when they came out. Together with Atlantis they can easily hold their own against some of the best classics.
How the heck did this flop?!
How?
There really is no justice.
The shot where the "camera" zooms into Montresa is still one my favorite animated shots ever, it blew my mind as a kid.
Disney decided to release it against the first Harry Potter movie. It never stood a chance :-( This & Atlantis were criminally overlooked :-(
Because Disney forced it to flop
@@tduckfield518 Ooooh, okay I see now why it didn't perform. Shame that - its such a great movie.
You forget that until recently anything SciFi and fantasy were not mainstream. I believe that's why Titan A.E and Atlantis: The lost Empire flopped too
@@tduckfield518 Not just Harry Potter but one of the Santa Claus movies as well. Along with the Trailers spoiling the movie.
I think this is the best adaption of Treasure Island ever made.
Certainly a contender, although the Muppets one is also really good :)
@@RowanJColeman True
I quite enjoyed Black Sails which is a prequel series, bit too much sex but still enjoyable.
Not necessarily....I for example are extremely found of the Orson Welles Version (best John Silver ever!!!), there is a German multi-parter which was extremely successful back in the day, there is an Italien Production called "Der Schatz im All" which did the whole "Treasure Island in Space" thing long before Disney did (and did it pretty great too, if you want a more "realistic" take on it) and I guess people love the Muppets one....but it is certainly one of the good ones.
For all of those that want this underrated masterpiece to be remade, it's actually not such a good idea at all because it's already perfect. It just needs to be re-released in theaters in 3D, IMAX 3D, and 4DX instead. Remaking it will only ruin it.
I agree.
I agree! I would love to see the universe expanded though. A sequel, a tv show or something. It has so much potential and it's a very unique world.
I have it on DVD. Also Atlantis was Disney's Stargate and the lead artist was Star trek Voyager's concept artist. Also why not cover Disney's first Sci-fi movie the black hole?
The Black Hole is actually on my list of Hidden Gems to cover :)
@@RowanJColeman there was a reference to it in Treasure Planet with the Supernova scene.
@@RowanJColeman *an excellent film as well...not exactly a kids film, as it was promoted due to the cute and friendly robot but the sets and model work were first class awesome*
The DVD is amazing...if you look through the extras you realise that the animators had planned exactly how the ship was supposed to look like at the inside and how it was supposed to work.
It influenced at lot of JJ's Star Trek... Kirk's reckless fatherless childhood, The Enterprise riding an explosion out of a Black hole, "I've got your gun" the Yorktown space station etc. Even Prometheus nicked the holographic Map design.
To me, "Treasure Planet" is criminally underrated...alongside with "The Rescuers Down Under." Both were absolute masterpieces of character story, soundtrack and visual wonder. Awesome review, my friend. Peace.
This is my favourite Disney movie ever!! I love it so much and I always cry at silver’s speech to Jim
I always get grease in my eye at that part.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who absolutely adored this film. There's a pretty good CinemaWins about it, too. Check it out if you haven't seen it.
I loved the idea that, instead of doing what other sci-fi often does and Treknobable a scientific explanation, Treasure Planet just had some completely different physics, like the universe being filled with a warm, pressurised, breathable luminiferous aether, but still referred to a lot of existing astrophysical phenomena (such as active galactic nuclei)
I agree with you wholeheartedly with the characters, but the colonial-futuristic aesthetics and the sound track were what made me fall in love with it as a 16 year old sci-fi geek.
I'm gonna watch it tomorrow with my 3-year-old daughter 😊
It's always nice to see people that do care for this film
@@alexanderbilstien3471 In animation communties it is usually highly regarding. Not one of Disney's best, but overall certainly one of the top-half of Disney's movies. It is in general considered a forgotten gem.
Did she like it?
@@HaxxorElite
She's probably watched it about a dozen times since then! She loved it.
You mentioned another movie I loved; Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
That's gotta be a hidden gem.
I had the luck of seeing it in theaters as good as it looks on the small screen it was mind blowing in theaters. I know Disney is doing a live action reboot of Atlanti so I am hoping that this will get one as well.
Wait they're doing a live action version of Atlantis?
@@RowanJColeman Yes so far they only have the cast. I think production was set to begin this year but 2020 happed.
@@michaellewis1545 Did you get that info from WeGotThisCovered.com?
Oh God no. Bad enough Atlantis is Disney taking ideas from Stargate there's a lot that can go wrong with it with Disney's current mental state.
@@1992disney No I have reported by a couple of other sites.
4:40
"A score from Rupert Gregson-Williams"
Treasure Planet was scored by James Newton Howard.
5:41
"voiced here by John Murray"
It was Brian Murray.
I'd love to know how he got RGW and JNH mixed up! As far as I know RGW has never scored a Disney film, only a couple Dreamworks outings such as Bee Movie.
Awesomely underrated movie. I’ll forever be salty that we never got a sequel. Oh well; at least we got Battle at Procyon.
I call alot of things underatted but I think Treasure Planet is the most underrated movie ever.
This and Atlantis are my favorites, and I'm an 80's kid.
Sure, Treasure Planet didn't make me cry like Lion King did.
Sure, Treasure Planet didn't have a song like Hell Fire, like Notre Dam had.
Sure, Treasure Planet didn't have a romantic plot about loving something.
Instead Treasure Planet had a story about fathers, exploration and finding your job, like none before. It's a movie for boys and it is magnificent.
Sorry to break the 222 comments but I just gotta say Treasure Planet is one of the most moving, heartwarming films I've ever seen in my life. And I like to think I've seen most of the best.
@ Two words Jim and Silver.
Also the songs got me...and the soundtrack...
@@greggeverman5578 that I can agree with, not to mention the songs work just as well outside the movie, when I looked at the song years after I faintly remember seeing the movie it jogged my memories.
@ Because It was still here! (Pun intended)
We were all Jim
Forgotten, ignored, underestimated.
No one listens so we lash out, we chase winds we shouldn't, we dive head on into danger cause it drowns us out. We're waiting, finding, searching, building for that one moment so we can take the helm, pull through no matter what the squalls.
Wait. We weren't Jim. Look deep inside. You're still that kid.
We are all Jim
I have never seen anyone who described Jim more perfectly 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
This is why he is a brilliant character. This comment should come on top!
One of the Best Disney movies Disney never wanted to make. I love this movie.
Man I loved this movie when I was a kid. Glad to see people still remember it.
Treasure Planet is what we call in the business, an absolute flex. Creatively speaking. God its such a pleasure to watch.
I remember my first encounter with this movie. I saw a DVD display of it in my local grocery store, and was quite stunned. At first I thought that it had to be a Fox or other studio film, but no, it was Disney, and somehow I had NEVER heard a word of it. And I'm someone who watched a lot of Disney Channel and Cartoon Network at that age. So I got this sudden out of nowhere Disney movie and LOVED it. This is truly a cult classic. So many people I know have seen it in later years and adore it as well for the unique vibe it has.
I watched this movie in theater when I was 14. It inspired me at first on at least trying to write. I started writing fanfiction at the time. Never was good at it but I'm glad that at least I had ideas that I considered good at the time. It made me to come up with some characters and designs. I still consider this movie being one of best Disney Movies and one of best Early 2000s animated movies along with Iron Giant.
I really loved the visual design of this movie, the story was great for how it adapted the original Treasure Island book... everything you said was correct. It was the last and best example of Disney's mastery of animation, sadly, I believe it is the last good bit of writing they ever produced, flop or not.
This is one of my absolutely favorite Disney AND sci fi movies of all time. Like you said the worldbuilding is phenomonal, interesting and visual eye candy through the entire film. The characters are interesting and relatable (B.E.N. is a bit much at times. Though he does have a genuine part in the plot). Silver's character is actually one of the most interesting Disney has created. I find it so SO sad that this movie has such a bad rap. It is a beautiful, creative film and I would like to see more like it.
Same here, my friend. It deserves to have it's every own EU just like Star Wars, when you think about it.
@@1992disney Oh, wouldn't that be awesome!!
Liked this thing a lot back in a day. Disney was on fire with this
Unfortunately Disney wasnt behind it. Only the people actual producing it put all their love and hard work into it. The only thing Disney did for this movie was using their kill switch... and damn did it work
I loved this movie and I usually don’t care much for disney movies. I assumed that there was some form of atmosphere surrounding the ships by force field but with space being referred to as the eatherium, that implies all the planets are in an endless night sky with atmosphere. And the soundtrack was great.
A lot of great smart movies and tv shows were not successful because they were too smart for the general public. This is a great example.
The creators would love to make more intelligent content but it doesn't make money. They have to dumb it down to find the balance between smart and profitable.
Treasure Planet is The Animated Sci-Fi that inspired me to Write a Coming-Of-Age Sci-Fi Manga, who would love to ride a Solar Surfer
My other Inspirations include:
#StarWars
#Naruto
#Bionicle
#RaisingDion
#FinalFantasy
#PercyJackson
#AtlantisLostEmpire
#FifthElement
&
#MyHeroAcademia
That’s awesome! Treasure Planet inspired one of the research projects I did my senior year of high school.
The animation on this movie is just SO satisfying
This is still one of my favorite movies. I'm not sure why it got so much hate. Great sci-fi. Well done story and world building. There was no real good reason to dislike this movie completely. I think if you don't like this movie, you may not be a big science fiction fan.
A lot of Treasure Island purists hate this movie because not only do they think that setting the story in space was a dumb idea, but they also hate how much this adaptation deviates from it's source material.
@@1992disney Then they have never seen book adaptations. I mean have you seen Artemis Fowl or Percy Jackson adaptations? This movie was really faithful to the book - by keeping it an adventure story. They did not remove the exciting parts of the book while brilliantly making it more appealing by using the modern sci-fi style. This movie was a good example that u can make a good alternate version of a book while staying true to the book's message and plotline
@@diyana_/videos Exactly. This movie was made and released back when Disney took risks and tried something new and different. They tried to avoid the Disney formula as much as possible and in cases like this, it really worked. That allowed Disney movies like this to become unique in their own special way without having to rely so much on the exact same formula in order for them to become high-quality, mature, memorable, and timeless classics that take their audiences seriously, even if some of them were financial failures like this one. That's why the movies that were released between 2000 and 2007 were part of the Experimental Era. Unfortunately, since the past decade, Disney has been producing and releasing formulaic, bland, dated, uninspired, forgettable, immature, low-quality, and style-over-substance cash-grabs that insult their audience's intelligence and play it safe, like Frozen, Frozen 2, and Ralph Breaks The Internet. The company stopped caring about quality and started focusing on making a quick buck. Had this movie done so much better worldwide, it would've definitely encouraged Disney to continue making and releasing more unique, mature, high-quality, and timeless masterpieces like this. And this movie was literally a love letter to both Treasure Island and it's author, Robert Louis Stevenson.
@@1992disney Agreed! This was one movie which could be considered to be as good as the book itself if not better. Now that is something u see once in a blue moon night. And as a person who hasn't seen much of Disney's 2-D works, this movie stood out from the rest of the others. (I am not much of a fan of Disney btw)
I'm subscribed ever since I saw your Star Trek Retrospectives! I'm glad you enjoy so many of the same shows and movies that I do! I own this movie on DVD!🤗🤗🤗
It's basically how people of the 19th century would have imagined space.
Prior to the cold hard facts of the vast emptiness and vacuum.
Thank you. We hadn't a clue this existed.
You know what else is underrated and about a planet?
CAPRICA.
Treasure planet was and still is my favourite Disney film 🙂
If you're looking for another interesting hidden gem, see if you can find an old TV mini series called "invasion Earth"
This and Lilo and Stitch are my two favourite Disney movies.
it speaks volumes that at 19 years old, i still watch this movie and enjoy it just as much as i did as a child. the sound track, animation, visuals, characters and storyline are just... as close to perfection as animated films come imo. it’s such a sin what disney did to this masterpiece.
2:49 I, Cato Sicarius, ex-Captain of the second Ultramarine company, Master of the Watch, Knight Champion of Macragge, Grand Duke of Talassar, High Suzerain of Ultramar, Primaris Marine, commander of the Primarch Guilliman Victrix Guard, Guilliman student, possible next Chapter Master and possible heir to the title of Lord Regent (the last two are highly heretical speculations done by other people), fully believe that planet is infact a Necron tombworld and the crew got lucky the pirates found a way to keep the inhabitants sleeping.
This movie's would be very much at home within Dungeons & Dragons Spelljammers setting... sticking with sailing ships, vacuum of space replaced by etherium/phlogiston, etc. :)
underrated gem. fine analysis! well-played, sir.
I wasn't a kid anymore, far from it, when this came out and I loved it. So full of adventure and, as you said, a great emotional center. Victim of the times.
Thank you so much sir! I totally enjoyed and appreciated this video! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I recently saw this for the first time. I loved it.
I still own a copy and would love a remake or expanded into a science fantasy similar in style to Star Wars.
I can see it being turned into a series to expand on the exploits of the pirate whose treasure is the goal of the movie.
After all that treasure location isn't going to be the only one nor does this count the worlds where they had bases or caches to help maintain the pirates fleet or ship.
Imagine trying to find out where he found that teleportation tech from or what other stuff he plundered from.
It's the best. I see something new every time I watch it.
This is by far the best from Disney in my opinion.
Budget $140 million[1]
Box office $109.6 million[1]
DAMN. the animation looks amazing. taking cg and blending it with computer animation (by 2002 the old ways of making animation, paper cells was dead it was all done in computers ) looks so good
This is a woefully underrated movie. I am glad that it along with Atlantis: The Lost Empire are finally getting some of the attention they rightfully deserve.
I still have a Treasure Planet VHS somewhere. I absolutely loved the film as a child and still have a huge soft spot for it.
Hi Rowan. Long John's actor's name is not John Murray, but Brian Murray.
The video game really expands o the world and I still play it.
"to this day i still haven't watched lion king"
me: ooooh you're a rare gem!
but yeah when i was a kid i could not find a decent trailer for this movie. All i saw was the opening solar surfing scene and a book. I really wanted to see it but never knew when it'd come out. but damn i was happy when I did...when it was released on dvd the next year. it was just so damn cool looking, sci fi space pirates? sign me up! and i was not expecting to get hit so hard with the feels thanks to Silver and Jim's relationship just sold the whole movie for me; not the surfing, not the setting, the weird but creative looking aliens, it was the complex father son bond those two shared.
So I basically finished this video and immediately went and watched treasure planet! Which was an excellent decision!
How did I miss it, it looks awesome!
When it comes to the open air caravels, being able to breath while sailing space is possibly due to the ships generating a life support bubble. Life support is never addressed, but ship generated artificial gravity is. With that in mind, it can be assumed that life support also exist. Depending on the perimeter of the atmosphere, the first-mate being thrown overboard while attached to a lifeline and able to breathe is plausible. Even if bothered by spacefaring caravels, the magnificence of the beautiful animation is superb. Keeping the caravels, harks back to the original "Treasure Island" in this scifi adaptation.
This was a very insightful and well put together review. Although there was one hiccup: The music was actually done by James Newton Howard not Rupert Gregson Williams
YES FINALLY someone noticed the Iconian Gateway thing
So, sci-fi writer here, and this one is definitely one of my formative influences. I may hate the company Disney, but this is just... almost perfection. (the almost is Ben, sorry. lol)
In my Final Will and Testament, I wrote that Treasure Planet be re-released in theaters. It is a huge part of my childhood and deserves love and attention.
Passed my by completely, was part of the Titan A.E. camp 😂😂
Haven't seen Treasure Planet, but as always, love your passion. However, Battlestar! More my "ballpark" mate. Your choice in the comments, young Lee. Great character, sensational actor... but! In the grand scheme of all things Galactica, pretty vanilla. And he had this kind of passive agressive (occasionly plain 'ol aggresive) swinging pendulum when it came to "loyalty", relatively speaking like. I'll second that motion though.
I was raised on lion king, Aladdin and jungle book, and was never really exposed to star trek and star wars during my childhood. Still, I really loved this movie. To this day I still think it's not getting enough recognition it deserves.
I saw it so many times! Still my fav to this date! I can’t believe people don’t know abt this 😔
I generally don't like the concept of "________ IN SPACE!" and put off seeing Treasure Planet for years for that reason. However, when I did finally see it, I loved it. It's a beautiful film. Even "________ IN SPACE!" can be done well.
That's James Newton Howard. Not RUper Gregson WIlliams.
I LOVE this film!
I saw it in theatres...on the big screen, it is just amazing!!!
I remember watching this in the school library
Treasure Planet, unique, beautiful, and emotionally powerful movie I would in league with Tarzan or Lion King.
Most underrated movie
So good
Does not get the credit it deserves
I LOVE that film!!! :)
Always reminds me of Titan AE
Treasure Planet is Titan A.E., but done right.
This was always one of my favourite movies as a kid. I was very shocked to find out years later(I wanna say it was 2014 or so) that it bombed as hard as it did
The coffee table book is a treasure trove (heh) of information on the setting and designs they used.
Treasure Planet was a 💌 to both Treasure Island and it’s author, Robert Louis Stevenson.
thanks for this review/commentary. but i do have one correction though: to give where credit is due, the musical score was made by james newton howard
They are doing a freaking Spelljammer session.
Films like Treasure Planet and Atlantis are the Disney movies that really should be getting live-action remakes. Not only would the movies themselves translate better to the format than any other movie they've adapted for live-action, but it would give viciously underrated cult classics a chance at proper mass appeal.
I also never grew up with Disney. This one movie was the exception and it was a pure delight .
I loved everything about it....except morph I really don't like morph lol
I love this movie never understood why no one ells did. The most awesome scene for me is when Silver and Jim chasing the comet.
Hello, why not take a look into V (visitors) from the 80s? Mini series, TV series and reboot? Thank you for your work and vision
A shame it's so underrated
That aside it still a favorite in my collection that I continue to rewatch..
Also love the soundtrack theme from Johnny Reznik
2000’s Disney dropped some of the greatest and sadly most underrated Disney movies and products of all time. And of course I’m bias because I grew up and the nostalgia is there, but for sheer inventiveness and storytelling there is no better time in Disney history. We got Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Emperors New Groove and more, plus it made Dreamworks step up their game with Sinbad, Price of Egypt and Road to El Dorado, movies so good that if you didn’t know they weren’t Disney you wouldn’t have a clue!
Animation peaked in this generation and I was sad to see Disney movie further and further away from their traditional art style in favour of 3D animations from Frozen onwards. Princess and the Frog was the last traditionally drawn 2D animation and that is still heartbreaking to this day
Unlike you, I'm a child of the classic Disney years going back to "Alice In Wonderland" ("The Unbirthday Song" still has a tendency to pop into my mind at inconvenient times so many years later). I didn't see "Treasure Planet" in the theater when it came out, but once I caught on cable, I was hooked. Your appreciation of this animated triumph is a mirror of mine, right down to your distaste for Martin Short's robot character.
I'd love to hear your take on one of my favorite modern "B" sci-fi films, "Robert A. Heinlein's The Puppet Masters".
This is my favorite Disney film and I did have the vhs as a kid
Great video man! Thank you!
I'd be interested what you think of some other scifi animated films such as Titan AE. Also, have you ever seen Starchaser: The Legend of Orin? it's an animated starwars rip-off with some kinda freaky imagery and weird sexual innuendos... very odd, but worth a look. I saw it about 15 years ago last!
Titan AE is on my list of Hidden Gems to cover :)
Great! I cant wait. While you're here, thanks for the channel man, I love your content. One could say it's a...Hidden Gem...
@@RowanJColeman *thank you...another personal favorite and greatly underappreciated classic*
Absolutely love this and Atlantis!
The only movie I think it´s better than the book.
Rowan the score is acthully by James newton Howard
@ the man did also score the score for green lantern which had that high techno rock orchestra hybrid
Its not a hiddem gem when everyone calls its a hidden gem. Great film though.
I expect someone has already pointed out that Skies of Arcadia already did the "sailing ships" themes (albeit in the sky, hence the name) before Treasure Planet. Many similarities.
Treasure planet
And
Titan AE
Were my favorites back then
The flying wind-surfer seen and mentioned looks suspiciously like a powerboard straight out of 2000ADs Judge Dredd. See the Midnight Surfer storyline for better look at this.
One of the biggest travesties is that this movie lost at the box office to Eight Crazy Nights. How the hell does that happen?
It vase smack-dabbed in the middle of Harry Potter:cmaber of secrets and Lord of the Rings:two towers, does it sound better?
Cartoon Judge! C.G. .......yes *pout*
Cartoon Judge! C.G. Wouldn’t be the first or last time Disney did that, the bastards.
@@JeremyLeal1695 rescuers down under suffered from weak publicity cuz it's opening weekend didn't done so hot. Imagine if it we're released the same time as godfather part 3!( you think then I'd be a flop? It'd be nice to time travel.)
Remember folks Treasure Planet has a pretty good PC Strategy Game.
I have to say this Tarzan didnt start the whole canvas/2d/cgi you can thank Animes for that like Akira(1989), Vision of Escaflowne(1995), Nadescio(1997), Zoids(1999) so yeah Japanese been doing that
A great movie.