Yeah. Someone on reddit also mentioned how Doloras put Caleb through what the hosts had to go through in order to break them from their loop. Which is awful pain. She did that by taking him to the diner and making him relive his worst memory. That broke him free of his loop. Pretty dope.
I don't even know how to feel about host Charlotte. She clearly has some remorse for the fact that she's faking Charlotte's life. Maybe she's developing some sense of empathy towards humans, and might go against Dolores' plan.
r0se I like this if it’s a Dolores clone, specifically because Dolores said she trusts her, and I think Dolores shouldn’t trust another Dolores. She has shown that she thinks for herself, and doesn’t follow orders. It would be fitting if Dolores2 refused to acquiesce to Dolores demands
Teddy rebelled against Dolores by taking his own life. Charlotte hurts herself in a similar way. Self cutting are signs of suicidal tendencies. At the apex of your above mentioned conflict, Charlotte's maternal responsibilities may spare herself from such destructive path. Respect for life, in this case a human's, may have transpired from the grieving of dead loved ones, in this case a robot in Teddy. Bereavement is a learned path of awakening for humans, as is for robots.
Just as Alt X mentioned, “All children rebel eventually” Charlotte will rebel and Dolores will regrettably put her down but learn the lesson that she can’t control everyone.
Charlotte is the man in black. He's the perfect guy to infiltrate delos. He was with dolores last season and thought he was a host. He has internalised guilt about his daughter, hence his empathy and protection towards chalotte's, also his brutal emotionally-driven killing of the pedo.
Me: "Hmm, that's interesting about Asimov, I didn't realise about it's connection to...; Alt Shift X: "You can get these books on Audible..." Me: " Oh God Damn It!"
@@SuperRobertoClemente I remember thinking that she was kind of weak in the first season but since then she's been great in everything I've seen her in since.
@@RTukka I wonder if it's because her character wasn't fleshed out then as well as it is now. if there was any semblance of the backstory we NOW have, then I wonder if her performance would have been different
@@RTukka I thought the same of delores, but now I'm in love with not only their performances but also their characters. I hate to say it but women are simply getting better roles nowadays, I havent found myself rooting for strong badass women (as a male) as much as I have the past year or two. Witcher had some strong female leads too, it's so nice seeing these storylines playing out from polar perspectives
in the first episode Caleb says when he delivers the drugs and asked by the security guard if he wants to make it the first time he's been shot in the head that someone beat him to that too, in 20:53 you can see in the data below that in 09/05/48 he had a skull fracture less than a year before Francis's death.
It shows the next to most recent relationship (2 months) was ended by 'the subject'. It also shows that his last relationship (4.5 months) was ended, and it looks like it says 'System Inter'...and then you can't see the rest.. The System - holding down the poor & disenfranchised since... forever!
I’m seeing a lot of people confused about the Rico app “warning” Caleb. The show runners explain at the end of the episode that the Rico app is built on the blockchain, like cryptocurrency. Therefore it is decentralized and anonymous, it doesn’t know Caleb is viewing his own hit. Hope that helps!
The RICO thugs weren't looking for Caleb. They were there for Dolores. So Caleb wasn't a victim being warned by the RICO app of his own possible demise.
@@jmchez yeah criminals attacking criminals could get messy real quick. It would be great if we got more info on how the app works but instead Nolan and Joy want to fool us with multiple timelines and mirror simulations. Things like the RICO app is world building that is needed to create a world of rules. If they spent more time on world building the show would be better.
@@bxvtriz but Caleb isn't the victim. If Caleb wasn't with Dolores but instead let's say a block or so away. Caleb would get the same alert from the app. Its not about him but Dolores. Now if Dolores used the RICO app now i can see where you folks are coming from.
I took this more as there being a posting about cop needed to do that job. So when the police show up he clearly knows they accepted that crime listing
@@joshtargo6834 doesn't make any sense lmao. You really think Doloreos is gonna get Caleb in Charlotte's body in a span of 1 day? Stupidest theory I've heard so far
Its crazy how the theme of "having choices" is shown in both the parks and now the outside world: In the park, guests have choices that matter. In the real world, Rheoboam is in control, and now vice versa for the hosts. So who is truly free?
The real answer of course is that no-one is free because free will cannot possibly exist in such a complex material world governed by inescapable natural laws of the universe. Everything after the big bang is one big predetermined chain reaction we have absolutely no control over whatsoever. Free will and true freedom is honestly a laughable concept and the most positive thing I can say about it is that it is a reassuring lie to the many people who need to believe it, although in the end it is ironically more freeing to face the absurd head on and accept it, and choose to live and be happy despite the absolute lack of control and fundamental meaning that humans inherently so desperately search for.
I like the theory this new Charlotte is Caleb in the future and the scenes with Caleb are all inside a simulation, then shit happens and Dolores pulls Caleb from inside Rehoboam to the real world
From France ; sincerely, thank you for keeping up this amazing work during these tough times. Great explanation it adds another level to what is essentially a maze of a show
I'm convinced. I'm totally into new Charlotte being a Dolores' replica trying to understand who she is. It makes way more sense than Abernathy/Clementine/Teddy.
I really hope Charlotte isn't one of the presumedly dead characters or anyone in the Sublime, because that takes away from those parting moments and sacrifices, or the idea of the upload into host haven being a permanent thing. It's way more interesting if she's a new baby host, or a copy of Charlotte or Dolores.
When Bernard runs a diagnostic on himself in Episode 3.2 in the Westworld park, one of the images he sees is Arnold first activating Dolores, so that seems to indicate Dolores added Arnold's memories to Bernard. My theory on this is Dolores meant for Bernard to be a back up. If Bernard has a complete memory of Dolores, he can recreate her if she's destroyed, the same way she can recreate Arnold and presumably other hosts from her memory. Bernard keeps scanning himself for tampering that might not be there--all Dolores added to him is enough of Arnold's memories to recreate Dolores. Since Bernard has already rebuilt Dolores once, she knows he'll do it again if their species depends on it. So Dolores doesn't need to tamper with Bernard's programming to use him as backup/restore function.
The way you breakdown shows makes me just want to hear recommendations on good shows. Like I want to watch shows that are worthy of this kind of analysis. And the Delores clone theory is 👌🏿 you’re amazing never stop
Agreed! If you liked that then I can strongly recommend Asimov's 'The Gods Themselves'. I recommend it to everyone and anyone interested in science fiction or Asimov. It's in my personal top 3 of all time.
Could the new Charlotte be the “original” first version of Delores? The sweet country girl we first meet in the show. With Charlotte’s memories and, with the wild version of Delores seeing how ruthless Charlotte was in person, maybe it’s all those different interpretations of her in the Pearl and that’s what’s causing the new Charlotte to glitch and damage herself?
And your name spelled backwards is 'Mit' so you're bound to catch everything or be a turtle in the senate. Don't catch anymore, particularly the 'rona.
I've read a couple theories that Caleb is somehow in control of New Charlotte or that he himself is a host, but the scene where his heart rate is manipulated kinda shows that he is not a host. First, the tablet states that cardiac arrest is probable, and unless this is some fake cardiac system in the hosts then he has a human heart. Second, the tablet reads out his hormonal response, metabolic response, and peripheral response. These are all linked to his adrenal rate. As the paramedics stated with Dolores, hosts have no adrenaline. Love the videos and the deep dives into them!
Caleb is definitely not a host, though he might have some cybernetics in him. Remember, he says that he's already been shot in the head before, so that might explain how he's "different"
@@tite93 Does it have something to do with why Dolores picked him? When Martin deciphered the message ‘I’ll lure him to the underpass” it was Caleb who she met there. In the opening scene of the teaser trailer ua-cam.com/video/sFlDH3NzM2I/v-deo.html Caleb walks between light and dark. It could represent how Caleb walks between human and host with some sort of AI residing in his head.
That’s a good point. Hmm. But something about Caleb isn’t right; I don’t think his mom is actually saying he’s not her son due to her old age. I think Caleb in some way was replaced or rebuilt or modified, but he doesn’t know it himself.
I've gotten into the habit of watching your videos right before the next episode, just to make sure I didn't miss anything. What a great, in-depth look into such an outstanding and complex show!
I'm still wondering how people are able to create so many layers in a series, and still manage to deliver a coherent story. You do not need to dig too deep to understand the story, still the further you dig the better it gets
How many times did you watch the second season? I must say I was kind of disappointed by season 2 the first time I watched it, but when I watched season 1 and 2 again in preparation for season 3 I found myself enjoying it much more.
@@AliceDiableaux Yeah I think season 2 was better than people give it credit for, however this one is on another level. I'm excited for every new episode like I was during season 1
AliceDiableaux Agreed, I also rewatched S2 and was more emotionally invested and therefore liked it more than the first time, despite some minor issues, like how can William survive that long with 4 shot wounds and why is the security guard so dumb and doesn‘t stop Angela from destroying the cradle and basically all the other things that Alt Shift X mentioned in their videos. So yes, S2 is not as good as S1 and its story could have been told a bit less confusing and messy in general for my taste. But I disagree with the partly strong refusal it meets with by some people. I also liked the Shogun world Episode unlike several S2 critics. And yes I really dig s3 until now. It could be as great as S1.
The Last Question never fails to bring a tear to my eye. It's amazing. I personally feel that this is the best Westworl season yet. We finally have a proper tangible concept to think about and see our characters go through it. 1 and 2 were more, philosophical, theory based, the question was hard to answer because we don't have a proper answer yet and anything they would say concretely would inevitably be unsatisfying, so they made the right call and just added questions and made the characters act on feeling, impulse or emotion. Not really answering the question but dodging it. Now they have a real chance to showcase one possible future for us, instead of question to always keep with you, in the space between your mind.
The fact that Caleb and Charlotte have never met each other or seen each other concerns me seriously... not another fxxking timeline trickery... not again..
theory: part of caleb´s brain is bionic, its how they brought him back after the shot in his head and why his mother doesnt recognize him, because he is now, half human, half host.
@@stevenlourie9444 In some oder comment it is mentioned that the brain injury is from begore his friend died so he was probably still a good soldier then.
I'm the most impatient person I know and your analyses are so good I don't even mind waiting each week. Thanks for all your hard work and your impeccable insight!
22:00 Caleb seemed to like his robot colleague, he ate with it if memory serves early on, and the robot broke free and tried to help him, although he got tossed off the building for its troubles. I think Caleb might be artificial friendly, a more I judge you on what I see versus what you are.
I don't think the Rico app is warning its victims it may just be warning other Rico users to stay out of the way of a job in progress. This would also explain why Caleb gets notified of his own bounty its not warning him specifically but putting out a notice that he is high value to all Rico users.
Hey, there! Great video, love these analyses, but I have to add that the word Robot was introduced into English by Karel Čapek, as it means 'work' in Czech. In his 20's play R.U.R., Rossum's Universal Robots, he already lays the foundation for the way we think about Robots and intelligence today, and also on the way Asimov thinks about it years later. You used the word 'robotics', I know, but I do think that misses out something key. Asimov basically just added 'ics' ; ).
Last night I disbelieved the Dolores theory while watching this discussion of episode 3. I must confess I didn't understand it .... But now I do. You had the insight of something I had missed. I grew up reading Asimov; The Foundation books and, before that, The Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradburry are fundamental to understanding Sci Fi of this kind. And now it's gotten bigger ...
RICO is anonymous, you never know who gave you "the job" nor the real identity of the one who completed it. it did not warn him. the app told him there was a hit on some dude named Caleb. it also asked him to take the job or not. had he not been in RICO he could have never known there was a hit. love your work man. since game of thrones.
Im so freakin excited and proud and happy. That is exactly, like EXACTLY, my theory of who's in Hale. Your the first person who do these videos who I think got it right. But that may just be because it's nearly word for word what I immediately wrote after watching this episode. The one thing I didn't get when I watched this ep the first time, was when Caleb's coworker robot came to help him. I thought maybe it was Delores and was confused it just fell so easy. So it sensed Caleb's vitals and went to help him as part of its regular programming. Makes total sense, I dont know why at the time watching the show I was so confused. But thanks once again for a great break down.
In the first season the twist was that it was set during different timelines. This one I believe it's not set in the same "world". Some scenes are set in the real world, and others in Rehoboam's simulation. The episode's clear symmetry and mirror theme symbolises exactly that. In fact, the first time we see Host Charlotte watching the recording of real Charlotte for her son the video is similar, but different than the second time she watches it. I believe the first one is Rehoboam's simulation because that version of the video isn't as heartfelt as the second one, and Rehoboam still has problems with human's reasoning behind their emotions, which is why it needs the Delos' data on humans to improve itself, because in the parks "people show what they really are" like William said.
I mentioned it in the stream, but the scene of New-Charlotte's silhouette standing within the 'eye' of Delos portrayed her as the slitted pupil of a predator.
Yes! And this leads me to think that the show hints at showing how Rehoboam tries to predict the future based on input data. It's pretty darn good at it, but as long as there are divergences (in the circle) it won't be perfect
I have the feeling that Dolores is running a simulation of her revolution and we are seeing both the simulation and the real life attempt at said revolution.
Great video as always, but you glossed over the very important fact that Charlotte’s recording was played two different ways in this episode. One has the “you are my sunshine” the other does not, indicating the season is taking place in two worlds, one being the real world and the other being Rehoboam’s simulated version. In both, Caleb is predicted to commit suicide. The scene where Delores reveals this to him could have used some explanation.
Way back in Season 1 we got a hint that Charlotte (now a version of her) would be an important character. A specific melody plays in many scenes involving her, which is always significant knowing that the composer for this show is Ramin Djawadi (who also wrote for Game of Thrones). Can't wait to see/hear how Djawadi develops Charlotte's theme as the story evolves!
Has anyone else noticed that some of the Rehoboam visualisations, like the one just after the intro of ep 3, have a title, or subtitle "Special Circumstances". In Iain M. Bank's culture novels Special Circumstances is a clandestine group of A.I. minds and humans who interfere in the development of civilisations to prevent their destruction or the genocide of parts of their society (among other things). They also very cunningly, and appallingly, manipulate outside actors to achieve their goals when they can't interfere directly. Is this a subtle nod, or hint at similarities, to Iain Bank's Culture?
Maeve did touch serac on the shoulder in episode 2 and his voice sounded very robotic in episode 3 when he was a hologram so I don’t think he’s dead but I think it’s definitely possible that serac is a host and rehoboam has taken complete control over him and his resources to do what it wants, using a host copy of him as a figurehead
I know this is a crazy theory and probably not true, but I had an idea. Maybe this whole plot is just Serac's way to get to host power. As far as I understood the show, Serac is shown as someone who personifies the system, not as a human, but more of an AI, a host-like figure. All these coincidences, Caleb seeing Dolores on his Rico job etc., really don't seem legit to me. Something like Rico is somehting easily controlled by such a powerful system. And when Dolores met Caleb in this Café, or Dolores and "Charlotte" met in the hotel, it felt really weird. There is a system that controls everything, even predicts human behavior based on data, they know about Calebs most traumatic moment in this café, but they don't see Caleb and Dolores go there? Can't they see them like they saw Caleb when he was a kid, and send a squad there? Is Dolores some kind of stealth master? Maybe they don't know hoe she looks, but she killed like a dozen people in the open, nobody can tell me that that wasn't on some kinda camera, I mean, shit like that is evrn captured in our world. Same goes for pretty much everywhere Dolores goes. My conclusion to this is that either the show has really bad writing, or I'm overestimating the system, OR this is a plot from Serac to start a host uprising. We can see that the system kind of promotes Dolores, and with Maeve being with Serac, and her maybe switching sides, does that even more. The system wants more Data about Humans, and we see that it keeps some of them down, like Caleb, and probably satisfies the people that could hurt the system. Maybe it even initiated the production of hosts in the first place, with Ford being influenced by it. Maybe the system lets Dolores do her thing, and tries to buy up Delos, to produce even more Hosts, and take over, which could be a nice plot-point with Dolores switching sides, and seeing the good in humanity. Or maybe I'm just crazy
You missed my favorite bit. That Caleb is basically going through Maeve's S1 storyline now. He gets to read the file that defines his entire life.
Yeah. Someone on reddit also mentioned how Doloras put Caleb through what the hosts had to go through in order to break them from their loop. Which is awful pain. She did that by taking him to the diner and making him relive his worst memory. That broke him free of his loop. Pretty dope.
@@nathanp2007 Is this what my therapist was trying to do???
@@nathanp2007 Ford did say that one of the last steps to becoming truly conscious is to suffer. I love how this theme seems to come back
@@RNCHFND Actually...yes. @.@
Dolores 2020: Make humanity great again
I don't even know how to feel about host Charlotte. She clearly has some remorse for the fact that she's faking Charlotte's life. Maybe she's developing some sense of empathy towards humans, and might go against Dolores' plan.
r0se I like this if it’s a Dolores clone, specifically because Dolores said she trusts her, and I think Dolores shouldn’t trust another Dolores. She has shown that she thinks for herself, and doesn’t follow orders. It would be fitting if Dolores2 refused to acquiesce to Dolores demands
Teddy rebelled against Dolores by taking his own life. Charlotte hurts herself in a similar way. Self cutting are signs of suicidal tendencies. At the apex of your above mentioned conflict, Charlotte's maternal responsibilities may spare herself from such destructive path. Respect for life, in this case a human's, may have transpired from the grieving of dead loved ones, in this case a robot in Teddy. Bereavement is a learned path of awakening for humans, as is for robots.
@@ssotkow Teddy also defied her by not killing those people when she ordered. Then he got fixed.
Just as Alt X mentioned, “All children rebel eventually”
Charlotte will rebel and Dolores will regrettably put her down but learn the lesson that she can’t control everyone.
Charlotte is the man in black. He's the perfect guy to infiltrate delos. He was with dolores last season and thought he was a host. He has internalised guilt about his daughter, hence his empathy and protection towards chalotte's, also his brutal emotionally-driven killing of the pedo.
Me: "Hmm, that's interesting about Asimov, I didn't realise about it's connection to...;
Alt Shift X: "You can get these books on Audible..."
Me: " Oh God Damn It!"
Just because it's a good plug doesn't mean it's not relevant...
You gotta respect those seamless segues. Man's gotta eat.
I love the seamless segues
And Asimov is a must read.. So however you find them, Read them...
The transition was smooth af.
I absolutely loved Tessa's acting in this episode
Same. She was amazing in this episode
One of our best actors right now, period. She's fantastic.
@@SuperRobertoClemente I remember thinking that she was kind of weak in the first season but since then she's been great in everything I've seen her in since.
@@RTukka I wonder if it's because her character wasn't fleshed out then as well as it is now. if there was any semblance of the backstory we NOW have, then I wonder if her performance would have been different
@@RTukka I thought the same of delores, but now I'm in love with not only their performances but also their characters. I hate to say it but women are simply getting better roles nowadays, I havent found myself rooting for strong badass women (as a male) as much as I have the past year or two. Witcher had some strong female leads too, it's so nice seeing these storylines playing out from polar perspectives
in the first episode Caleb says when he delivers the drugs and asked by the security guard if he wants to make it the first time he's been shot in the head that someone beat him to that too, in 20:53 you can see in the data below that in 09/05/48 he had a skull fracture less than a year before Francis's death.
Maybe real Caleb died and this Caleb is a host. A military host.
Suliman Damn u got some solid vision there lad lol i cant see for shit, is it in that bottom right corner?
Suliman Nvmnd i used my head and changed to 1080p then zoom, lmao i can see it allll now
@@chefboyerde what r u talking about?tell me!
It shows the next to most recent relationship (2 months) was ended by 'the subject'. It also shows that his last relationship (4.5 months) was ended, and it looks like it says 'System Inter'...and then you can't see the rest.. The System - holding down the poor & disenfranchised since... forever!
I’m seeing a lot of people confused about the Rico app “warning” Caleb. The show runners explain at the end of the episode that the Rico app is built on the blockchain, like cryptocurrency. Therefore it is decentralized and anonymous, it doesn’t know Caleb is viewing his own hit. Hope that helps!
Where did they explain this?
Yup as he is on the app he can see everything and no one can personalize the app for a user as its blockchain
Honestly dude, you are just so great at this type of analysis. I feel so lucky that a channel like this can exist and thrive.
The RICO thugs weren't looking for Caleb. They were there for Dolores. So Caleb wasn't a victim being warned by the RICO app of his own possible demise.
Also, the app is for criminals in the underworld. Part of the deal might be that criminals prey on civilians not each other.
@@jmchez yeah criminals attacking criminals could get messy real quick. It would be great if we got more info on how the app works but instead Nolan and Joy want to fool us with multiple timelines and mirror simulations. Things like the RICO app is world building that is needed to create a world of rules. If they spent more time on world building the show would be better.
i thought about that, but then i guess he meant that it was ‘warning the victim’ bc the app shows location? 🤔
@@bxvtriz but Caleb isn't the victim. If Caleb wasn't with Dolores but instead let's say a block or so away. Caleb would get the same alert from the app. Its not about him but Dolores. Now if Dolores used the RICO app now i can see where you folks are coming from.
I took this more as there being a posting about cop needed to do that job. So when the police show up he clearly knows they accepted that crime listing
Wow that dolores theory is wild but makes so much sense
Wait until you start thinking that Caleb's mind might be in Charlotte's host-body...
Yeah, then it won't make sense anymore. So you're good for now, Saad.
@@joshtargo6834 doesn't make any sense lmao. You really think Doloreos is gonna get Caleb in Charlotte's body in a span of 1 day? Stupidest theory I've heard so far
He got it right
When Charlotte is "remembering what it's like to be me" she's wearing black. The rest of the time, she's wearing a version of white or pink.
*Paint It Black - Ramin Djawadi starts playing in the background.
as to be William right? That's what I was thinking. She also remembers she's a predator.
Its crazy how the theme of "having choices" is shown in both the parks and now the outside world: In the park, guests have choices that matter. In the real world, Rheoboam is in control, and now vice versa for the hosts. So who is truly free?
No one, but the super rich are the closest to free
no one
The real answer of course is that no-one is free because free will cannot possibly exist in such a complex material world governed by inescapable natural laws of the universe. Everything after the big bang is one big predetermined chain reaction we have absolutely no control over whatsoever. Free will and true freedom is honestly a laughable concept and the most positive thing I can say about it is that it is a reassuring lie to the many people who need to believe it, although in the end it is ironically more freeing to face the absurd head on and accept it, and choose to live and be happy despite the absolute lack of control and fundamental meaning that humans inherently so desperately search for.
@@enloveyduvey001 capitalism (;
Charlotte is a unique creation of Dolores’ and she will eventually rebel and that will teach Dolores she cannot “control” everyone or everything.
Aaron Russo I like
I like the theory this new Charlotte is Caleb in the future and the scenes with Caleb are all inside a simulation, then shit happens and Dolores pulls Caleb from inside Rehoboam to the real world
Not likely, she says "why can't I be myself, like you?" So she is a individual host.
but i hope its not the stereotypical "you cant control because freedom is better #murica"
i think charlote is a copy of dolores
From France ; sincerely, thank you for keeping up this amazing work during these tough times. Great explanation it adds another level to what is essentially a maze of a show
I'm convinced. I'm totally into new Charlotte being a Dolores' replica trying to understand who she is. It makes way more sense than Abernathy/Clementine/Teddy.
I really hope Charlotte isn't one of the presumedly dead characters or anyone in the Sublime, because that takes away from those parting moments and sacrifices, or the idea of the upload into host haven being a permanent thing. It's way more interesting if she's a new baby host, or a copy of Charlotte or Dolores.
i think charlote is a copy of dolores
So no Teddy?
Been waiting for your fantastic analysis. The red pearl is really interesting. Excited for next episode! (AND YOUR NEXT VIDEO OF COURSE)
Alt Shift X is really Rehoboam.
When Bernard runs a diagnostic on himself in Episode 3.2 in the Westworld park, one of the images he sees is Arnold first activating Dolores, so that seems to indicate Dolores added Arnold's memories to Bernard. My theory on this is Dolores meant for Bernard to be a back up. If Bernard has a complete memory of Dolores, he can recreate her if she's destroyed, the same way she can recreate Arnold and presumably other hosts from her memory. Bernard keeps scanning himself for tampering that might not be there--all Dolores added to him is enough of Arnold's memories to recreate Dolores. Since Bernard has already rebuilt Dolores once, she knows he'll do it again if their species depends on it. So Dolores doesn't need to tamper with Bernard's programming to use him as backup/restore function.
The way you breakdown shows makes me just want to hear recommendations on good shows. Like I want to watch shows that are worthy of this kind of analysis. And the Delores clone theory is 👌🏿 you’re amazing never stop
Watch Dark on netflix
Severance.
@@spencertherren6806 great show! Is there a season 2 yet?
@@Radjhitoocool Early next year. I cannot wait.
The Last Question is the most mindblowing short story ive ever read. My old High school teacher introduced me to it.
Agreed! If you liked that then I can strongly recommend Asimov's 'The Gods Themselves'. I recommend it to everyone and anyone interested in science fiction or Asimov. It's in my personal top 3 of all time.
@@AliceDiableaux i never read that one. Can you give me a short synapse? Im looking for good books to read.
Could the new Charlotte be the “original” first version of Delores? The sweet country girl we first meet in the show. With Charlotte’s memories and, with the wild version of Delores seeing how ruthless Charlotte was in person, maybe it’s all those different interpretations of her in the Pearl and that’s what’s causing the new Charlotte to glitch and damage herself?
Katt Winter makes sense bc that sweet dolores had recently been wyatt and she says “youre not the only predator” so... 🤔
@@bxvtriz maybe Charlotte is Wyatt himself, separated from Dolores and uploaded
This is what I thought when watching for the first time
Everybody reads too much into the title, Dolores lived on a ranch, she’s not there anymore, boom, “absence of field”
Tim Jantzen LOL
why not both
And your name spelled backwards is 'Mit' so you're bound to catch everything or be a turtle in the senate. Don't catch anymore, particularly the 'rona.
@@Biomirth miT*
I've read a couple theories that Caleb is somehow in control of New Charlotte or that he himself is a host, but the scene where his heart rate is manipulated kinda shows that he is not a host. First, the tablet states that cardiac arrest is probable, and unless this is some fake cardiac system in the hosts then he has a human heart. Second, the tablet reads out his hormonal response, metabolic response, and peripheral response. These are all linked to his adrenal rate. As the paramedics stated with Dolores, hosts have no adrenaline. Love the videos and the deep dives into them!
Caleb is definitely not a host, though he might have some cybernetics in him. Remember, he says that he's already been shot in the head before, so that might explain how he's "different"
@@tite93 Does it have something to do with why Dolores picked him? When Martin deciphered the message ‘I’ll lure him to the underpass” it was Caleb who she met there. In the opening scene of the teaser trailer ua-cam.com/video/sFlDH3NzM2I/v-deo.html
Caleb walks between light and dark. It could represent how Caleb walks between human and host with some sort of AI residing in his head.
TheRichardchaney Oh man, this is a good catch
That’s a good point. Hmm. But something about Caleb isn’t right; I don’t think his mom is actually saying he’s not her son due to her old age. I think Caleb in some way was replaced or rebuilt or modified, but he doesn’t know it himself.
Wow now the breakdown is almost as complex as the show itself... thanks for this!
I predict Alt Shift X is really Rehoboam ; )
Good call on the Dolores copy.
I've gotten into the habit of watching your videos right before the next episode, just to make sure I didn't miss anything. What a great, in-depth look into such an outstanding and complex show!
I'm still wondering how people are able to create so many layers in a series, and still manage to deliver a coherent story. You do not need to dig too deep to understand the story, still the further you dig the better it gets
5:39 you were the only one to predict that correctly!!! Well done! Can’t wait for episode 4 review
I gotta say, I really appreciate your seamless transition to the Audible plug. Never seen anyone do that. Top notch.
She says this murder helps her to remember who she is
- a “redditor”
I came here to say that you were right about Charlotte’s identity & I’m impressed because no other reviewer has ever thought of it.
ggreat1999 thanks for the spoiler alert 🤗
Tessa better get an Emmy for this. Some of the best acting I seen on Television for a few years
lol don't watch much TV then.
Idk why but I cried when Charlotte sing you are my sunshine. I felt something
My boyfriend and I were specifically waiting for your analysis of the episode. Also, cannot wait for tomorrow after show discussion thing!
This season is already way better than the last one!
I'm enjoying it. Bringing the story out into the "real world" (if it is) has reinvigorated it. And Maeve rocks as always.
@@kmcorby Yep, Maeve is one of my favorite characters too
How many times did you watch the second season? I must say I was kind of disappointed by season 2 the first time I watched it, but when I watched season 1 and 2 again in preparation for season 3 I found myself enjoying it much more.
@@AliceDiableaux Yeah I think season 2 was better than people give it credit for, however this one is on another level. I'm excited for every new episode like I was during season 1
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Agreed, I also rewatched S2 and was more emotionally invested and therefore liked it more than the first time, despite some minor issues, like how can William survive that long with 4 shot wounds and why is the security guard so dumb and doesn‘t stop Angela from destroying the cradle and basically all the other things that Alt Shift X mentioned in their videos. So yes, S2 is not as good as S1 and its story could have been told a bit less confusing and messy in general for my taste. But I disagree with the partly strong refusal it meets with by some people. I also liked the Shogun world Episode unlike several S2 critics. And yes I really dig s3 until now. It could be as great as S1.
Welp, you nailed it on the clones. Well done.
i wait until these videos are released to watch the new episodes so I can watch them back to back. That's how good your analyses are!
This is way I always wait for your video. You totally nailed it. 4:58
“New Charlotte” ...sounds like a _good_ band name.
The Last Question never fails to bring a tear to my eye. It's amazing. I personally feel that this is the best Westworl season yet. We finally have a proper tangible concept to think about and see our characters go through it. 1 and 2 were more, philosophical, theory based, the question was hard to answer because we don't have a proper answer yet and anything they would say concretely would inevitably be unsatisfying, so they made the right call and just added questions and made the characters act on feeling, impulse or emotion. Not really answering the question but dodging it. Now they have a real chance to showcase one possible future for us, instead of question to always keep with you, in the space between your mind.
The fact that Caleb and Charlotte have never met each other or seen each other concerns me seriously... not another fxxking timeline trickery... not again..
No because Charlotte was in bed when Dolores was taking to Martin about Caleb getting nabbed.
TK765 I see.
I think Delores "farm girl" is in Hale. Wyatt is in Delores.
theory: part of caleb´s brain is bionic, its how they brought him back after the shot in his head and why his mother doesnt recognize him, because he is now, half human, half host.
Ghost in shell sort of situation, crossed my mind while watching.
I think she just hasn't seen him since he was a little kid. And is now regretting that decision.
I thought it was similar to how hales kid doesn't recognize his mom
@@stevenlourie9444 I meant the doctors gave him a bionic brain, like giving someone a prostetic because it lost a leg or something
@@stevenlourie9444 In some oder comment it is mentioned that the brain injury is from begore his friend died so he was probably still a good soldier then.
Glad I waited a couple weeks to watch this. Alt shift you’re too smart!! We’re not worthy
I'm the most impatient person I know and your analyses are so good I don't even mind waiting each week. Thanks for all your hard work and your impeccable insight!
22:00 Caleb seemed to like his robot colleague, he ate with it if memory serves early on, and the robot broke free and tried to help him, although he got tossed off the building for its troubles. I think Caleb might be artificial friendly, a more I judge you on what I see versus what you are.
Everyone else: deep and insightful theories on based on subtle clues in the show
Me: "Rehoboam is an anagram for "O, a hombre"
The combination of these videos with the show make it so much better overall! thanks for doing this!
Man you nailed the shit out of that prediction. I'm glad I didn't watch this until after ep 4.
still like these videos so much especially the editing and careful observation of the westworld episodes, even the old episodes.
Wow, thanks for mentioning Azimov in the end, his Last question is a masterpiece!
Perfect video, I think you could compare the scene of Caleb's decision to join Dolores with the choice of Neo and the pills in Matrix.
"listen while you social distance and stay at home [spooning]" - love the subtitle Easter eggs!
Awesome analysis, I loved the explanation of Charlotte's time line - it was really clear and easy to follow 👍 Thanks for a great video!
Thanks, Seoul!
alt shift x still killin the game, kudos yall
Damn dude. I loved episode 3 and I feel so stupid to miss all those minute details you talked about. Man, I love this channel.
The Last Question is fantastic, just like your recaps. 🔥🔥🔥
I don't think the Rico app is warning its victims it may just be warning other Rico users to stay out of the way of a job in progress. This would also explain why Caleb gets notified of his own bounty its not warning him specifically but putting out a notice that he is high value to all Rico users.
4:57 I felt that one second silence after the Mr.Smith comparison.
I don’t have enough words for complementing you, and your explanations!
I truly appreciate your talent.
Thank you 🙏🏽
Hey, there! Great video, love these analyses, but I have to add that the word Robot was introduced into English by Karel Čapek, as it means 'work' in Czech. In his 20's play R.U.R., Rossum's Universal Robots, he already lays the foundation for the way we think about Robots and intelligence today, and also on the way Asimov thinks about it years later. You used the word 'robotics', I know, but I do think that misses out something key. Asimov basically just added 'ics' ; ).
You nailed it!! I had to come give you your kudos!!! This guy theorizes 👍
Last night I disbelieved the Dolores theory while watching this discussion of episode 3. I must confess I didn't understand it .... But now I do. You had the insight of something I had missed. I grew up reading Asimov; The Foundation books and, before that, The Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradburry are fundamental to understanding Sci Fi of this kind. And now it's gotten bigger ...
OH MY GOD YOU REALLY PREDICTED MULTIPLE DOLORESES
RICO is anonymous, you never know who gave you "the job" nor the real identity of the one who completed it. it did not warn him. the app told him there was a hit on some dude named Caleb. it also asked him to take the job or not. had he not been in RICO he could have never known there was a hit.
love your work man. since game of thrones.
Im so freakin excited and proud and happy. That is exactly, like EXACTLY, my theory of who's in Hale. Your the first person who do these videos who I think got it right. But that may just be because it's nearly word for word what I immediately wrote after watching this episode. The one thing I didn't get when I watched this ep the first time, was when Caleb's coworker robot came to help him. I thought maybe it was Delores and was confused it just fell so easy. So it sensed Caleb's vitals and went to help him as part of its regular programming. Makes total sense, I dont know why at the time watching the show I was so confused. But thanks once again for a great break down.
kaijunkie I saw the George scene as a nod to Asimov’s I Robot. The robot springing to help his human compatriot
In the first season the twist was that it was set during different timelines. This one I believe it's not set in the same "world". Some scenes are set in the real world, and others in Rehoboam's simulation. The episode's clear symmetry and mirror theme symbolises exactly that. In fact, the first time we see Host Charlotte watching the recording of real Charlotte for her son the video is similar, but different than the second time she watches it. I believe the first one is Rehoboam's simulation because that version of the video isn't as heartfelt as the second one, and Rehoboam still has problems with human's reasoning behind their emotions, which is why it needs the Delos' data on humans to improve itself, because in the parks "people show what they really are" like William said.
That’s what Hax Dogma said in his video posted Friday.
I mentioned it in the stream, but the scene of New-Charlotte's silhouette standing within the 'eye' of Delos portrayed her as the slitted pupil of a predator.
"Im a dead man either way" is because Rehoboam predicted he will commit suicide.
best channel for westworld analysis I've seen this season!
Hugs from Portugal 🇵🇹
Great essay, as always!!!
OK BUT DID WE NOTICE THE RECORDINGS ON THE IPAD ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHEN WE SEE IT AT THE BEGINNING VS THE END??????
Yes! And this leads me to think that the show hints at showing how Rehoboam tries to predict the future based on input data. It's pretty darn good at it, but as long as there are divergences (in the circle) it won't be perfect
I have the feeling that Dolores is running a simulation of her revolution and we are seeing both the simulation and the real life attempt at said revolution.
Have you seen this theory before? www.reddit.com/r/westworld/comments/fs4ngg/s3e3_two_worlds_theory/?
Ipad?
Tiago Tito Shorter than foldable tablet.
And ps, you're segues into your AUDIBLE connection are awesome and seamless.. almost makes me wanna sign up for Audible; ALMOST...
What an absolute spot on prediction man. Great stuff !
Great video as always, but you glossed over the very important fact that Charlotte’s recording was played two different ways in this episode. One has the “you are my sunshine” the other does not, indicating the season is taking place in two worlds, one being the real world and the other being Rehoboam’s simulated version. In both, Caleb is predicted to commit suicide. The scene where Delores reveals this to him could have used some explanation.
Damn, haven’t heard the name Mark Strand since my poetry classes in college. His work was really surreal and dark iirc.
The buzz audio messages Serac sent sound like old analog modems! :)
The first unique video about this episode, you keep wowing me ♥️.
Way back in Season 1 we got a hint that Charlotte (now a version of her) would be an important character. A specific melody plays in many scenes involving her, which is always significant knowing that the composer for this show is Ramin Djawadi (who also wrote for Game of Thrones). Can't wait to see/hear how Djawadi develops Charlotte's theme as the story evolves!
You go into so much depth. Thank you.
So brilliant you figured she was a copy of herself.
Been waiting for this video all week
You so smart. I'm catching up after watching episode 5 haha you nailed it
This was a spine chilling wondrous episode - the music nodded away to Blade Runner. Westworld is still arguably the best TV show around.
After seeing episode 4, you were right! You genius
Wow. Another great post. I always look forward to your explanations and theories once I've watched an episode. Keep up the great work and THANK YOU!
the mirror imagery in the charlotte-dolores scene is a great catch!
I have read almost all Asimov’s sci-fi books/stories. Big fan.
Last question is an amazing short story.
I miss you Alt Shift X. Glad to start this show and continue you watch you after GOT :)
The fact that Irene is pregnant also points to the theme of 'motherhood'
she was looking really good in that dress lol
@@maximus9401 she thic ngl
Has anyone else noticed that some of the Rehoboam visualisations, like the one just after the intro of ep 3, have a title, or subtitle "Special Circumstances". In Iain M. Bank's culture novels Special Circumstances is a clandestine group of A.I. minds and humans who interfere in the development of civilisations to prevent their destruction or the genocide of parts of their society (among other things). They also very cunningly, and appallingly, manipulate outside actors to achieve their goals when they can't interfere directly.
Is this a subtle nod, or hint at similarities, to Iain Bank's Culture?
Whoever is designing "Dolores" wardrobe this season deserves an award. ERW is bangin'. !
Wasn't the red on Bernand's pearl supposed to be blood from when Dolores shot him in the head last season?
The Last Question inspired me to pursue short story writing. It is incredible.
Just started watching this show and your content and analysis is top knotch. Thank you
Even ford's pearl was red so Bernard's pearl being red explains how he can remember Arnold's memories their intertwined somehow
Maeve did touch serac on the shoulder in episode 2 and his voice sounded very robotic in episode 3 when he was a hologram so I don’t think he’s dead but I think it’s definitely possible that serac is a host and rehoboam has taken complete control over him and his resources to do what it wants, using a host copy of him as a figurehead
'Audible and social distance' is the new 'Netflix and chill'.
been looking forward to hearing your take on this all week!
You called it man. Dolores clones. Outstanding. Lottery numbers please?
I know this is a crazy theory and probably not true, but I had an idea. Maybe this whole plot is just Serac's way to get to host power. As far as I understood the show, Serac is shown as someone who personifies the system, not as a human, but more of an AI, a host-like figure. All these coincidences, Caleb seeing Dolores on his Rico job etc., really don't seem legit to me. Something like Rico is somehting easily controlled by such a powerful system. And when Dolores met Caleb in this Café, or Dolores and "Charlotte" met in the hotel, it felt really weird. There is a system that controls everything, even predicts human behavior based on data, they know about Calebs most traumatic moment in this café, but they don't see Caleb and Dolores go there? Can't they see them like they saw Caleb when he was a kid, and send a squad there? Is Dolores some kind of stealth master? Maybe they don't know hoe she looks, but she killed like a dozen people in the open, nobody can tell me that that wasn't on some kinda camera, I mean, shit like that is evrn captured in our world. Same goes for pretty much everywhere Dolores goes.
My conclusion to this is that either the show has really bad writing, or I'm overestimating the system, OR this is a plot from Serac to start a host uprising. We can see that the system kind of promotes Dolores, and with Maeve being with Serac, and her maybe switching sides, does that even more. The system wants more Data about Humans, and we see that it keeps some of them down, like Caleb, and probably satisfies the people that could hurt the system. Maybe it even initiated the production of hosts in the first place, with Ford being influenced by it. Maybe the system lets Dolores do her thing, and tries to buy up Delos, to produce even more Hosts, and take over, which could be a nice plot-point with Dolores switching sides, and seeing the good in humanity. Or maybe I'm just crazy