"If you're not a neurologist and you're not my neurologist, I don't need your advice." sounds like a proverb with principles all can apply throughout life.
What is the arrogant asshole saying now? Couldn’t think up a better person to get ALS. It’s probably karma for all of the false arrest and lives he ruined as a cop.
I was taught that the only reason to stay still is if you're behind cover, and then only as long as it takes to shoot. Always move to a better position. Always change the geometry of the fight.
Can't wait to get in another class. If anyone here hasn't taken a class with Tactical Response it is worth your time and money. Had the pleasure of training with Jay Gibson, one of the VERY best instructors you'll find anywhere.
How do you figure? Synopsis of video: “I know that moving during draw strike is better” No data, no demonstration. Zero empirical evidence. Not concerned with what John Lovell says. Stumbled upon this video, sounded interesting, but there is no evidence of his theory.
@@drmayojr not shilling but, he said it, one can test and choose accordingly, as we all should with (almost) everything. I'll surely test it after I learn my draw stroke.
I’m a huge dude! I was the only roll player for 20 students for 2 days a couple weeks ago I got shot 5 times all but one where in my left arm. I should be a very easy target. I move like I was taught and I don’t get hit near as many as I would if I didn’t.
I did some force on force training with simunitions and moving while shooting was the norm. Bad guys dont stand still like a paper target and let you shoot them. If you want to be a paper target, dont move your feet and get shot. Good point James.
I've been taught the same thing you are talking about. Moving makes the other guy hesitate slightly as it takes him out of his train of thought and he has to react to the changing scenario. Good stuff, man! Hope you get better soon!
Steps to side out of vision. "What the fuck?" Draws pistol. "What the fuck?" "If you can get two 'what the fucks' out of the guy, you've won the fight" -Tom Givens
My two favorite trainers/instructors of all time! Utmost respect all around. Both men have helped me tremendously. I couldn’t agree more that close quarters movement off the x is a tactical advantage. I have practiced both extensively and I am slightly faster with a side step! I was taught there are only two types of soldiers.. THE QUICK AND THE DEAD 💀 therefore I will always filter the step through my response thought process and utilize it if the situation is auspicious for it.
Also John must have 46 UA-cam accounts because how the hell could anyone dislike this “free” video. But people are crazy these days , maybe 🤔 James you offended 46 left handlers by stepping right! 😂. Thank you for all you do to help keep us safe.
Damn! It is so good to hear actual adults disagree without the world ending and still be men and friends. Thanks for sharing... wait haven’t I seen a video of Lovell drawing on the move before though? 😂 thanks again take er easy
I've done Boxing, Karate, Kickboxing, and other Martial Arts since I was a kid. And one of the main keys to being good at fighting and not getting hit is good footwork and movement. And I have come to learn that that also applies in gun-fighting. Oh, and by the way.... I love the title of this video. 😄😄😄😆😆😆
Excellent choice, we train on this at the range as normal everyday drills, draw and move every time. Make it an automatic reaction to threat. This is the same training many police officers get. James knows his stuff.
Agreed. When you start to move when you're close to an attacker you force them to change their intended movement of attacking you, delaying them and giving you an advantage.
@@TacticalResponseCrew Well... If you are going to steal, steal shit that works! I hope the tongue thing gets sorted out to your satisfaction. Be well and thank you.
I just started training in pistol and I have been doing this as it makes sense for me as a Martial Artist. A moving target is a hard target. In boxing we cut the angles to get in a better position for a critical hit. I have to admit this would be a intermediate technique as beginner's many not have the coordination need for such a movement.
This is such a seemingly obvious tactic and logic. It’s not 1:1 analogous but have spent LOTS of time in paintball gun fights on various close range “speed ball” courses. The people who are static and don’t move just don’t last long. Moving wisely, getting angles, jacking with your opponents OODA loop is great tactical advice. Thanks!!!!
Yeah, but you didn't factor in that the bad guy will be distracted by John Lovell's magnificent hair for crucial milliseconds during the OODA loop. Seriously, great video. You're among the best.
It's always good to hear two opposing arguments, see both sides of the coin, this advice really makes sense but I will try to find out what Lovell says about standing still while drawing.
Thanks, James - I totally agree. I stepped to the side as I drew in one of John's classes and he looked like he'd swallowed a bug. That being said, the Active Self Protection videos show repeatedly that there's about a .5 second delay between the stimulus to shoot and the actual shot breaking. A side step takes far less than .5 seconds, so I think it dramatically increases the chances that the bad guy is going to shoot where you were and not where you are, because he most likely won't be expecting the movement (as John is when he demonstrates that he can easily track you during the step). I also disagree with John on the "no silencers for home defense" idea, but that's another story. I still think he's a great guy and a fantastic teacher (as are you). All the best to both of you!
Absolutely on your side with this one. It's one of the FIRST principals of combat that you learn. People get in the habit of planting their feet. Consider that side stepping can save you from a fist or a baseball bat, now couple that with something drastically more difficult to hit someone with (a bullet) and you've expontentially decreased your chances of being hit.
It's a place holder for me and the Domino's analogy is perfect. I've had to keep my mouth shut many occasions at "other" schools when they yell shit at me like "nice dance"...."where are you going". They then all proceed to demonstrate the same thing where they point a finger at me and the have me side step and they follow me with their finger. I just "take the instruction" and throw that shit right out by the time I get to my car at the end of class. I'd rather have no gun and perfect movement skills.
I've seen it in action SO many times. It's about as close as we can get to Matrix-like gun fighting. AND>>> No one really stands still in a gunfight. Why not be the first to move and do it with practiced intent?
Agreed. Countless reports and one v. one training fights with non lethal projectiles show us that movement is a valuable tactic. Why would you prefer standing still and making it easier for your adversary?
I had to buy another proverbial tool box to fit all the information I've gathered over the years. At some point you have to just stick with what works. 👍
I have to say that absolutely moving offline, because motionless operators ventilate easily, does fuck with their ooda. I bested a bad guy with a drawn gun using it, even landing a first round hit before he could even think to fight back. Your explanation is how it feels to trade rounds so close. Also when you've moved you can step into a basically stable shooting position for a microsecond, gaining both a ooda, distance and stability advantage. The two who were most successful in the shootout behind the lot in the ok corral was Wyatt Earp, followed by Doc Holiday, both also covered the most ground and stayed moving, unlike the others.
Don't know about John, maybe rangers are bulletproof but I was taught when you receive incoming fire, the first thing you do is move to cover....but I'm old school...
There is no lack in valor in sidestepping a bullet. Your explanation is in accordance with LtCol Dave Grossman's classic "On Combat", Section II: Perceptual Distortions in Combat: An Altered State of Consciousness, page 71: Tunnel Vision: Like Looking Through a Toilet Paper Tube... And he's a former Army Ranger, paratrooper and West Point Psychology Professor. Banter that! ;-)
Very concise explanation. Even if the milliseconds don't help, it cannot hurt so why not do it? And if it does save your life because a bullet misses you by a foot or even an inch, even better.
I honestly thought that was just commonplace protocol but thanks for pointing that out to everyone sir every tip is an advantage and that's an awesome one
I don't think that Lovell was saying NOT to move. I think he was saying that one step isn't all that effective, but I agree with you. I think of the draw as dead time from the time that your brain registers a threat that justifies drawing to the time your weapon is presented in a fire ready position. That time should be used to defend as much as possible, even if it is only 1 second. Simply put yourself in the attacker's perspective. Is it easier to shoot a stationary target, or a moving one?
Some are too dogmatic!!! Difference techniques for different scenarios, it’s just common sense, it’s not rocket science all of the time. I agree with this video content.
Learned this as a (very) young paratrooper a long time ago in a place called the central highlands. The shit hits the fan and you have two choices. Move and fight or stand there looking around thinking "huh?" while some 90 lb. bad guy with a crusty Mosin or SKS pops up and cancels your check. I've never wanted to show up at the pearly gates and have to explain to St. Peter why I got croaked for being a dumbass before he puts me on the "down" escalator.
Gainer, kick flip your gun out of your hand and up into the air, catch it behind my back, curve the bullet, you die, I win. Nice try James.
As for stepping, let’s debate next time we hang. Hope you and yours are well 👍
:-)
I’m also available to hang w you guys, just let me know… 😀
@@GirlCarpenter 😄
I’m a Warrior Poet in training so it could happen…. :)
Blah blah. Lovell doesn’t need to move. Let’s be honest , with that hair, He is just too adorable to shoot.
LOL
🤣🤣🤣
Lovell ain’t on my “adorable” list
😂😂😂😂😂
"If you're not a neurologist and you're not my neurologist, I don't need your advice." sounds like a proverb with principles all can apply throughout life.
I think he needs to see a neurologist, he was slurring his words like he had a stroke.
@@rafaeldeleon6260 He’s got a temporary speech impediment due to something happening to his tongue.
@@rafaeldeleon6260 “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.” - many old guys. The answers are there.
I think he’s had a stroke as well.This doesn’t mean he he’s not a great instructor,because he is-it’s just an observation
What is the arrogant asshole saying now? Couldn’t think up a better person to get ALS. It’s probably karma for all of the false arrest and lives he ruined as a cop.
Yeager will teach more people after is passing than most will teach during their life. Thank you for your knowledge, Yeager.
I was taught that the only reason to stay still is if you're behind cover, and then only as long as it takes to shoot. Always move to a better position. Always change the geometry of the fight.
I love the banter between you guys
Time for a Tactical Response tee shirt or bumper sticker "Lovell is wrong" On a serious note, best of luck with the Neurologist.
A moving target is harder to hit. Whether close or far, a moving target is harder to hit. Period.
"It won't work back here!" Dang, I laughed out loud at that one.
Yes, James is part teacher, part comedian and ALL WARRIOR!
"Like here! It won't work back here!"
🤣🤣🤣
Can't wait to get in another class. If anyone here hasn't taken a class with Tactical Response it is worth your time and money. Had the pleasure of training with Jay Gibson, one of the VERY best instructors you'll find anywhere.
Rock on!
Excellent explanation, sir.
Makes sense
Hey rex I miss seeing you on Facebook.
How do you figure?
Synopsis of video:
“I know that moving during draw strike is better”
No data, no demonstration.
Zero empirical evidence.
Not concerned with what John Lovell says. Stumbled upon this video, sounded interesting, but there is no evidence of his theory.
@@drmayojr not shilling but, he said it, one can test and choose accordingly, as we all should with (almost) everything.
I'll surely test it after I learn my draw stroke.
Science and thumbs up from Rex. Yes Sir excellent explanation and reminder to get off the X.
Thank you.
I’m a huge dude! I was the only roll player for 20 students for 2 days a couple weeks ago I got shot 5 times all but one where in my left arm. I should be a very easy target. I move like I was taught and I don’t get hit near as many as I would if I didn’t.
Motionless Operators Ventilate Easily! Gotta love it. Or as John Lovell would say, "Yay for that!" LOL
Numb tongue James Yeager is the best James Yeager
Makes me think of True Grit.
It's great, i thought he couldn't have more of a f¿(£ it attitude
You mean the "betht"
I love how real men can respectively disagree. Good on you both. That was such a good video when you were at his place.
I did some force on force training with simunitions and moving while shooting was the norm. Bad guys dont stand still like a paper target and let you shoot them. If you want to be a paper target, dont move your feet and get shot. Good point James.
I've been taught the same thing you are talking about. Moving makes the other guy hesitate slightly as it takes him out of his train of thought and he has to react to the changing scenario.
Good stuff, man! Hope you get better soon!
Steps to side out of vision.
"What the fuck?"
Draws pistol.
"What the fuck?"
"If you can get two 'what the fucks' out of the guy, you've won the fight" -Tom Givens
James, I’m going to tell you a clearly as I can - you are NEVER allowed to stop teaching.
My two favorite trainers/instructors of all time! Utmost respect all around. Both men have helped me tremendously. I couldn’t agree more that close quarters movement off the x is a tactical advantage. I have practiced both extensively and I am slightly faster with a side step! I was taught there are only two types of soldiers.. THE QUICK AND THE DEAD 💀 therefore I will always filter the step through my response thought process and utilize it if the situation is auspicious for it.
I agree, James. Hopefully you and your family are well, brother
Also John must have 46 UA-cam accounts because how the hell could anyone dislike this “free” video. But people are crazy these days , maybe 🤔 James you offended 46 left handlers by stepping right! 😂. Thank you for all you do to help keep us safe.
There are dislikes within seconds of Yeager posting a video . Haters are his closest watchers .
Damn! It is so good to hear actual adults disagree without the world ending and still be men and friends. Thanks for sharing... wait haven’t I seen a video of Lovell drawing on the move before though? 😂 thanks again take er easy
Amen!
I've done Boxing, Karate, Kickboxing, and other Martial Arts since I was a kid. And one of the main keys to being good at fighting and not getting hit is good footwork and movement. And I have come to learn that that also applies in gun-fighting. Oh, and by the way.... I love the title of this video.
😄😄😄😆😆😆
The root word to gunfight isn't gun.
@@TacticalResponseCrew.... Yes sir, Roger that. 👍 I agree with you 100% James.
I can’t see how a side step would hurt you, movement is an advantage no questions about it.
Unless you're on a tightrope or a balance beam?
LMAO! That 100 yard demonstration really made the point. Well done.
Excellent choice, we train on this at the range as normal everyday drills, draw and move every time. Make it an automatic reaction to threat. This is the same training many police officers get. James knows his stuff.
INTERESTING, got to try it out, makes sense
All people’s questions will be answered and then some by taking Fighting Pistol at Tactical Response. It’s that easy.
Agreed. When you start to move when you're close to an attacker you force them to change their intended movement of attacking you, delaying them and giving you an advantage.
Fighting Pistol changed my thinking on the draw and movement. Thanks for this free video.
Well, if some one is shooting at me, either close or far, I'm moving anyway.
I don't care what ANYBODY says.
I think that is my favorite acronym from TR
Thunder Ranch? They stole my shit?!?!?
@@TacticalResponseCrew 😆😆😆
That’s my favorite acronym from James Yeager.
@@TacticalResponseCrew Well... If you are going to steal, steal shit that works!
I hope the tongue thing gets sorted out to your satisfaction. Be well and thank you.
I just started training in pistol and I have been doing this as it makes sense for me as a Martial Artist. A moving target is a hard target. In boxing we cut the angles to get in a better position for a critical hit. I have to admit this would be a intermediate technique as beginner's many not have the coordination need for such a movement.
Fighter stands in front of you and throws punches. Fighter moves around and throws punches. Which one would you rather fight?
I took this class called The Fight that at times demonstrated this point painfully.
Always appreciate the knowledge and advice James! Ready to take my next class!
This is such a seemingly obvious tactic and logic. It’s not 1:1 analogous but have spent LOTS of time in paintball gun fights on various close range “speed ball” courses. The people who are static and don’t move just don’t last long. Moving wisely, getting angles, jacking with your opponents OODA loop is great tactical advice. Thanks!!!!
I did this in The Fight. I did get shot once, but by the second bad guy as I was getting my second round on him, so 4th total round. It does work.
there's another proverb about urologists and some kind of contest
That ooda loop video you recommended is a must watch. I think that's probably your most important video.
Good Info....I was a LEO for 31 1/2 years, we trained that simple movement of "off line" of sight and it works....try it in force on force training.
Yeah, but you didn't factor in that the bad guy will be distracted by John Lovell's magnificent hair for crucial milliseconds during the OODA loop. Seriously, great video. You're among the best.
Good point!
Don’t have a shot timer but I’ve Been practicing moving and yelling stop on the draw after watching your videos.
Learn that command in multiple languages.
@@Meatwad.Baggins +1
LOVING the jump cuts, thank you Mr Yeager. Well shot great audio straight down the line advice, again cheers.
I think you maybe forgetting the beard factor John has, it adds 63.283% to EVERYTHING he does! 🤣
It's always good to hear two opposing arguments, see both sides of the coin, this advice really makes sense but I will try to find out what Lovell says about standing still while drawing.
You handle adversity well James. Testament to the mindset aspect of what you teach. Thanks for all you do, and this nation needs men like you.
It's like that Thousand Foot Krutch song says....MOVE!!
Thanks, James - I totally agree. I stepped to the side as I drew in one of John's classes and he looked like he'd swallowed a bug. That being said, the Active Self Protection videos show repeatedly that there's about a .5 second delay between the stimulus to shoot and the actual shot breaking. A side step takes far less than .5 seconds, so I think it dramatically increases the chances that the bad guy is going to shoot where you were and not where you are, because he most likely won't be expecting the movement (as John is when he demonstrates that he can easily track you during the step). I also disagree with John on the "no silencers for home defense" idea, but that's another story. I still think he's a great guy and a fantastic teacher (as are you). All the best to both of you!
Absolutely on your side with this one. It's one of the FIRST principals of combat that you learn. People get in the habit of planting their feet. Consider that side stepping can save you from a fist or a baseball bat, now couple that with something drastically more difficult to hit someone with (a bullet) and you've expontentially decreased your chances of being hit.
It's a place holder for me and the Domino's analogy is perfect. I've had to keep my mouth shut many occasions at "other" schools when they yell shit at me like "nice dance"...."where are you going". They then all proceed to demonstrate the same thing where they point a finger at me and the have me side step and they follow me with their finger. I just "take the instruction" and throw that shit right out by the time I get to my car at the end of class. I'd rather have no gun and perfect movement skills.
Thank you
One point about John Lovell,
he has a magnificent head of hair.
Indeed
Praying for speedy recover man
Thank you once again ! 😢 I learned so much for your videos 😢
Very cool! I wish you a speedy recovery!
I'm praying for you.
you´re right! Thanks for the video!
You're welcome!
I took your advise many years ago and got training and you were right then and you are right now. Thanks for the information👍🏼
Great to hear!
I enjoyed seeing the outside of the training location again. Brings back good memories…
Glad to hear that!
I’m with team Yeager on this one. Good video.
Wow that’s really great information. Thank you sir
I've seen it in action SO many times. It's about as close as we can get to Matrix-like gun fighting. AND>>> No one really stands still in a gunfight. Why not be the first to move and do it with practiced intent?
Totally agree,
How do you train not only move to your strong side every time but to train how to move to your weak side?
We move every direction.
Action is always faster than reaction
Agreed. Countless reports and one v. one training fights with non lethal projectiles show us that movement is a valuable tactic. Why would you prefer standing still and making it easier for your adversary?
All the facts! I’ve done exactly what you said with my timer at the range and my times were faster every single time. I’ll record next time.
I had to buy another proverbial tool box to fit all the information I've gathered over the years. At some point you have to just stick with what works. 👍
We agree and always teach move at close range while drawing. Everything you said is "science".
I have to say that absolutely moving offline, because motionless operators ventilate easily, does fuck with their ooda. I bested a bad guy with a drawn gun using it, even landing a first round hit before he could even think to fight back. Your explanation is how it feels to trade rounds so close. Also when you've moved you can step into a basically stable shooting position for a microsecond, gaining both a ooda, distance and stability advantage. The two who were most successful in the shootout behind the lot in the ok corral was Wyatt Earp, followed by Doc Holiday, both also covered the most ground and stayed moving, unlike the others.
Don't know about John, maybe rangers are bulletproof but I was taught when you receive incoming fire, the first thing you do is move to cover....but I'm old school...
Great explanation as to the why. Thanks!
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For for thousands of years combatants have always moved out of the way especially at arms distance. Why should it be any different today?
Hope u feel better james
There is no lack in valor in sidestepping a bullet. Your explanation is in accordance with LtCol Dave Grossman's classic "On Combat", Section II: Perceptual Distortions in Combat: An Altered State of Consciousness, page 71: Tunnel Vision: Like Looking Through a Toilet Paper Tube... And he's a former Army Ranger, paratrooper and West Point Psychology Professor. Banter that! ;-)
I appreciate you putting out videos even while your working through a numb tongue.
The man did it through a terminal illness, right up till the end. He was a WARRIOR!
Very concise explanation. Even if the milliseconds don't help, it cannot hurt so why not do it? And if it does save your life because a bullet misses you by a foot or even an inch, even better.
I agree with Yeager! Start the movement during the draw.
I love the progression of yeager explaing his tongue (I am experiencing some numbness in my tounge) to ( I gotta numb tongue)
James, thank you for the good information and thank you again for doing it in the Tennesee heat/humidity.
My pleasure!
Excellent demonstration!
Thank you!
I honestly thought that was just commonplace protocol but thanks for pointing that out to everyone sir every tip is an advantage and that's an awesome one
I still love the neurologist comments every time!!
Great Video James, well thought out.
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Prayers goin up sir!
I don't think that Lovell was saying NOT to move. I think he was saying that one step isn't all that effective, but I agree with you. I think of the draw as dead time from the time that your brain registers a threat that justifies drawing to the time your weapon is presented in a fire ready position. That time should be used to defend as much as possible, even if it is only 1 second. Simply put yourself in the attacker's perspective. Is it easier to shoot a stationary target, or a moving one?
Your right, John doesn’t like the idea of getting in a habit of just one step.
Some are too dogmatic!!! Difference techniques for different scenarios, it’s just common sense, it’s not rocket science all of the time. I agree with this video content.
When an unstoppable John meets an unmovable James. Or maybe the other way around?
I love John Lovell and WPS, but James is right on this!
Good advice, I really need to practice! Hang in there with the medical issue, you seem to be adapting and overcoming as I'd expect.
Get TRAINING then practice.
@@TacticalResponseCrew I agree man, my own ideas won't help me out. I've been looking at a few classes in my area, thanks for the encouragement.
Good explanation, Tom Givens was teaching this 30 years ago... his students record's in Gunfights prove the point.
I trained with Tom the first time in 1996 I believe. He was not teaching it then. The first to teach it was Andy Stanford (where I got it).
Learned this as a (very) young paratrooper a long time ago in a place called the central highlands. The shit hits the fan and you have two choices. Move and fight or stand there looking around thinking "huh?" while some 90 lb. bad guy with a crusty Mosin or SKS pops up and cancels your check. I've never wanted to show up at the pearly gates and have to explain to St. Peter why I got croaked for being a dumbass before he puts me on the "down" escalator.
Thanks James! Every little bit helps.
Always good stuff. If you are second doubting James try and hit a moving target vs. a stationary one.
Yeager is right. Getting an angle on an enemy is a fundamental tactic in combat.
I've been a follower of Tactical Response teachings since the late great Paul Gomez. James is legit!
Good stuff 👍
Good luck with the neuro sir and God speed
Y'all's banter is cute.
Not a neurologist, have no advice, but do wish you the best, boss!