Audi Q8 e-tron 55 Sportback range test
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I was last week given the opportunity to drive a Q8 e-tron 55, (not the SQ8) from Lyngby in Denmark(a suburb to Copenhagen) to Rungis in France(a suburb to Paris).
A minor part was with the ferry between Denmark and Germany. The e-trons navigation found a route which was 1250 km, including the ferry distance, so the actual driving distance was probably 1225 km.
It is hard to keep a steady pace due to stau, roadwork, speed limits, Kassel-mountains etc., but my driving speed was between 80km/h to 135km/h. The trip excluding the ferry, but including two times charging of 25-30 minutes, where I also had a meal, took me close to 13 hours, so my average speed, when driving was around 100km/h.
My total consumption was 292kWh for the trip. I started with a fully charged car in Lyngby and charged a bit more than 80% a little south of Hannover and again a little south of Köln, around 80%. I arrived in Paris with more than 10% battery power. The temperature in Denmark was 2 degrees and in Paris 13 degrees. I believe the average temperature on the trip was around 9-10 degrees.
With a total consumption of 292kWh when driving 1225km, the e-trons average consumption was 23,85kWh/100km which I personally would consider not too bad for 2,5 tonnes suv, which originally wasn't designed as an electrical vehicle.
Man you make my day ordrer the Q8 last week and a bit nervous about range. Chose it because I make only 4 days/years long trip.
@@pbxl I don't think you have to worry. If I had driven the same size of car with combustion engine, I believe it would have taken me approximately the same amount of time, as it did with the e-tron, and the ride for sure wouldn't have been as comfortable. Its is a super nice car!
Good luck with your new car
As a german i love when you put in some deutsche wörter 😂
The all Black spec is jaw dropping 🤤🤤🤤
*ly disgusting ?
@@NO3V Matter of opinion
My all blacked out is 11 days old. Never had any car get as many compliments. Multiple BMWs, VWs etc etc. Neighbours all coming round to look at it. Based on everyone’s reaction, yes it is jaw dropping. Worst comment: “looks really badass…”
@@maxquinn5311 congrats on your new purchase, hope you enjoy it
We got our red, and its so stunning in red with black accents.
Ah Madagascar and Puingeens :) Always good references on them.
If we talk about what you get for the money going for the Etron 50 model gets you the same if not more range than the 55 pre face lift, and compared to other Evs at the same price point of the 50 model nothing compares to the build quality and ride performance, the bmw ix is considerably more expensive
I also will never get used to virtual mirrors. In heavy trucks they work fine, but there the screen is located in the A-Pillar and they don't get wet/foggy, like their glass pendants do. But in a car the only mirrors I do like are the ones of a T6.1, the rest is just to small and doesn't show enough, what is really going on behind/beside you.
My brand new e-tron is all blacked out and 11 days old. Love the car, already getting to hate the electronics interface. However. One thing on your rolling test Bjorn: e-tron will auto-regenerate if it comes up behind a vehicle. So on your rolling test, the truck will probably have caused it to gently deploy regen. That’s probably why you thought it was less efficient.
It probably is that yeah. ID.3/4/5/Buzz also has this if you put it into D mode. It applies slight regen if you're speeding over speed limit, if someone brakes in front of you and also if it knows that you're approaching roundabout ...
Auto regen was of course off.
I forgot to mention it if it wasn't clear already:
I was in neutral (N). Not possible to regen regardless.
@@bjornnyland N is not the guarantee. You should look onto the battery current.
For example, e-Golf pre facelift has slight regen even in D0 ("zero regen") mode, it displays negative instant consumption numbers (-0.5...-1.0 kWh/100km) in the cluster.
I performed test drives with CAN logging and figured out, that ECU (01 unit) always requests couple of negative Nm with 0 throttle, and the numbers are the same in D and N.
@@bjornnyland Wouldn't the type of tyres effect the rolling efficiency?
Love sound system testing with Bjorn.
Use of turn signals in Southern California is a sign of weakness... Maybe the same for Audi drivers?😊
Shame because the Etron does have a nice turn signal design!
I agree, why don't they put the virtual wing mirror screen in the corner of the window, it would feel more natural to look there, instead of down at the door.
When I used the virtual mirrors, I found doing a 'sweep' of the mirrors oddly sore on my eyes. Your eyes look up first for your central rear-view mirror, glance across your front window, then you check your side mirror, and then out through your side window +/- blind spot. When you have the virtual mirrors, you have to look down to see it, then back up to your side window. I found it weirdly tiring on my eyes, and didn't like the way I was looking down while driving. Was not a fan.
If it isn't broke, don't fix it! I kind of like that this Q8 Etron is still very similar to the original Fat Etron. I like the flat 2019 and 2020 150Kw charging curve and would choose that over this 170Kw peak, but for less time, even though the over all charge time seems very similar. Great Video Bjorn!
I drive the old Fat-e-tron, including the virtual mirrors. After getting used to them, I actually have to say that I actually like them a lot. In bad weather I see better than it would be possible with dirty windows and it sounds funny with the fat-e-tron but it is simply narrower with the mirrors and I notice that clearly.
Otherwise, I must say, he is of course too thirsty and since I also have the small battery, the range is really weak.
With heated mirrors in bad weather you see clearly too, but I can see the point when the windows themselves are dirty
@@Markoboy99 You are right, I was unclear. I was actually referring to dirty windows in heavy rain or snowfall.
And what I also wanted to say... what I can't say is whether the virtual mirrors are worth the extra cost to me (my e-tron simply already had them in).
@@wizard1701a Yes. I have experience with heated mirrors on a Skoda Octavia 2015 and they were always clear even in rain since the heating element was so strong I guess. But I’m all for new tech and I really like scifi so those virtual mirrors are cool in my opinion and I’d like them.
I wonder why these rearview camera housings have to be that ugly.
@@Markoboy99, or you can apply a coating to them. I use one, it actually holds up for a few months and no water at all sticks to it.
i have a pre-facelift 2022 fat e-tron (no SB) since one year now and run it with avrg. 23,5 kWh/100km over 22.000km long term distance (Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Italy). Audi claims for the facelift that they have improved the e-motors having more coils which increases efficiency and should be 1 kWh less than the pre-facelift model. The iX is much more expensive as BMW gives no rebates.
The virtual mirrors do strike me as a high-tech solution that just isn't necessary - and if it breaks, how much will it cost to fix or replace? The car seems pretty darned nice, though.
They are actually cheaper than regular mirrors. Had to replace mine once, because some maniac did a hit and run. It’s basically just a cheap camera on a stick instead of multiple servo motors and heaters.
@@lorenzmuller4000 That's good to know, at least about the "mirror" itself.
@@lorenzmuller4000 Until the display inside gets problems. ;-)
@@marcel151 I’ve never lost a screen in my whole life. My work monitor is now almost 12 years old and no signs of any defects. Also, such a small screen isn’t that expensive as well. They charged me 390€ for a new mirror on my old A5, the new camera mirror only was 155€. The difference is probably enough to cover a new screen.
@@lorenzmuller4000 You can't compare a monitor in a normal environment with monitors in a car which need to withstand extreme temperature differences. Ever seen LCDs on older cars instrument clusters? Don't want that to have on a "mirror".
We have a 2021 e-tron S with the virtual mirrors. Wouldn’t change them, very good!
Take a shot each time he says "fat etron".. Skål
Drag coefficient is multiplied with frontal area to get the drag... So even a drag coefficient of 1 can be better if the frontal area of the car is only a fifth of the fat e-tron :-)
Had a higher expectation for the q8 facelift. On the other hand, the economy is on par with iX, which could mean the mission accomplished among German rivalry. Strange that usable battery is so small. Hopefully, the new Volvo motors/inverters, first glimpse of which we will soon see in MY2024 xc40, are closer to Teslas efficiency.
Bjorn, great video as always. What OBD device were you using? I'm keen to get some live data into ABRP.
One factor in the charge rate is that apparently, and surprisingly, the eTron does not precondition the battery when you drive to a charging station. So, the cold weather for this test probably reduced the maximum charge rate. I have seen other tests in which the Q8 eTron would charge at 179 kW or so, in nice weather.
Good review
This one has the audi sound system. We have it too as the difference is so minor to the b&o in the e-tron. The ICE audis get the better b&o models and q4 has sonos.
My dealership is proud about have 17 speaker b&o don't atmos system... They believe it's day and night difference between 180 watts in audi standard vs 750 watt b&o
As an Audi driver, I do use my turn signals, once I've started turning 😂
A bit like putting your condom on after you have already 'finished', no?
Bjørn, „Q“ sounds like „Kuh“ in German, meaning „cow“ as you know. So your „fat e-tron“ analogy is perfect, they call it a cow themselves 😜
Heyhey! Any plans to test the Ioniq 6?
Impressive that weight is almost the same, when battery is bigger in Q8
Sportback is 40 kg lighter than regular. Keep that in mind.
I would love to see that you join forces with somebody and have a Q8 e-tron 55 vs, IX50 vs EQE SUV 500 highway test together in same traffic and weather.
Why?
@@bjornnyland to get the real difference in efficiency. Now someone always can say that the Q8 was tested in wet winter condition. But driven together there can be No excuses. And Even you cant drive 3 cars at the same time. (i belive, not 100% sure)
@@bjornnyland Why in your final table 18:40 you do not write exact outside temperature for all tested vehicles?
Table would be too long. The temp was not varying too much so an average is good enough.
@@bjornnyland In our country winter temperature can vary from -20 to +15 and just "winter" in the table does not tell anything useful. Тemperature value would be better vs "winter", imho. Table size is same.
It's a shame that there was hardly any further development here on the old e-tron. The software and menu navigation looks quite old and the hardware still seems to be slow.
The consumption has dropped slightly, but that could be due to the smaller rims alone.
You can tell from this product that the Volkswagen Group is currently struggling with internal problems and is almost not making any progress.
This was just a facelift, what do you expect? This is a converted ICE vehicle. You can expect better efficiency with the new Q6 e-Tron next year.
You look at the stats and just wonder how efficient a Tesla is compared to Bmw or Audi. Its years ahead,
Ordering things from Aliexpress has left me less disappointed than seeing what Audi is up to nowadays….
Man, the VW group has lots of catching up to do in the EV space!
The VW group is probably the closest company to Tesla. This is just a bad example, it’s a 5 year old vehicle with a minor facelift. The Q6 e-Tron next year will be very interesting.
The complex transmission with planetary gears front and back, and a hollow, cooled motor axis, is probably the answer to some of the inefficiency.
Planetary gears are not complex, used in automatic gearboxes for ages. They handle more torque and last longer in a smaller form factor, so perfect for the job Id say. Water cooled axis is there to supposedly cool the engine, but also to regain heat loss through heat pump into the interior. I don't think these decisions are so bad to be honest.
@John Abrahamsen Many gears and many axles means more internal friction. And the gaskets maybe. See ID.4 gearbox disassembly for a more efficient design.
Do 130 and 140km/h test too
When the car was presented, I was already suspicious about the efficiency claims. I also criticised the lack of an updated interior. You proved that both was not unfounded. VW and Audi kinda rest on their laurels or rather on their brands nowadays and it starts to piss me off really.
I am getting mine in May. Would have gotten the BMW instead but it’s significantly more expensive, has a smaller boot and no frunk.
In spread sheet battery capacity is listes as 88,9 kWh
Does the Q8 55 not have 106 kWh net capacity ?
Looks like data from Q8 50 or etron 55 was used.
Net capacity
Bjørn could you test the e-transit please.
In Finland BMW driver's don't use turn signal.😁
Psychos usually dont
The camera mirrors are trying to fix a problem that was never there
Yep just another tech to break
They do help with aerodynamics
Yet this car is still the most inefficient EV out there despite increased aerodynamics. Audi would have been better off improving the friction in gearbox, HVAC, etc. Lots of other cars with conventional mirrors like Kia, Hyundai and Tesla has way better efficiency.
Isn’t fat etron most popular ev in Norway?
20:29 I don't like the comparison of max charging speed. That is not relevant. I would prefer to know how long it takes to charge 100 / 200 / 300 km of range starting from x%. Maybe start with a coldish battery after charging to 100% AC and then first stop for fast charging. Or under optimal conditions for max power.
It looks like an old fat e-tron with a foliatec upgrade. Teenagers love that blacked out look.
Would you suggest us to buy the Q8 with the petrol engine or the electric one ? ( for someone who drives a lot )
The front is way better now, and the tapered back is soooo goood.. This is the only Audi i would buy if i had to.
Q8 seems to be just a battery update with some mild styling changes, trying to keep the car relevant enough until Q6 etron comes and then have something for those that appreciate the legacy atmosphere. Also let's keep in mind that it is built on (heavily modified) fossil platform which to me explains the lack of progress in infotainment area - not worth the money to overhaul it.
Yup. And they are changing the operating system in new models. E6/A6 and Q6 will be nice.
not a big improvement but at least some improvement not like Jaguar who did really nothing on the battery side and a brand new i-Pace will fare no better than a 2019 i-Pace on your 1’000 km challenge. Looking forward to the end of 2023 or early 2024 when you should be able to test the Zeekr 001 😎
Somehow the digital mirrors are successful with (mercedes) truck drivers, I guess Audi was just to cheap with this particular implementation (Screens are way too low, and small)
Or maybe Audi has overstock in factory storerooms that they need to get rid of because people were not paying the extra to have them on their Q4 Etrons…………
Which app did you use he use on his phone?
Nice Mach E GT!
Will you try a range test in the future with stock rims? The rims on your spec didn't look that aerodynamic. and with the q8 e tron audi brought a lot of new rims that they said were more aerodynamic
This is the winter tires and rims from Møller
@@evkx i dont think theyre designed for efficiency
@@nickbien probably not, but I have the same on my e-tron and they are better than my 22" 🙂
@@evkx maybe
Thumb nail could have been "The fat e-tron is now even fatter" :D
I'm saving that one for the 1000 km challenge :P
I believe Audi improvements will come with the new EV platform co-developed with Porsche and so from the new A6.
I am getting my iX in four weeks and after watching your great video I strongly feel that I have made the right decision despite some skepticism regarding its exterior which I needed to get used to in the very beginning. However, in the meantime I feel like that the iX is the most progressive looking BEV especially when it comes to the interior. I was having high expectations for the Q8 e-tron SB (and even considered buying one) but I am very disappointed tbh. Unlike many others I don't judge a BEV by its efficiency figures primarily as for me the design language (exterior and interior) is just as important at least. Having said this I feel like this Audi is nothing more than an unsuccessful attempt to catch up with its competitors - what a pity.
Please share your personal experience after a while, I am interested too :)
Whats the real range with 100% capacity? 500 km?
The problem with the rolling test it that will auto regen when comming close to another car.
Auto regen was switched off.
@@bjornnyland it will do it even so I belive. To prevent crash. But I am not 100%. Maybe need to get closer. But it seemed like that if it suddenly "braked" comming close
@@evkx Bjørn wasn't close enough for that to happen and if it did trigger the braking it would have flashed up on screen with a loud alarm (the same sound used by the system at the beginning for the SOS error). If regen was in manual mode and paddle regen set to 0 then he was coasting just fine....
I forgot to mention it if it wasn't clear already:
I was in neutral (N). Not possible to regen regardless.
At 13:00 it's not inefficiency. It detected the traffic ahead and slowed down.
But I have turned off automatic regen.
@@bjornnyland this is default behavior regardless of the regen mode. I think it's a safety rather than regen feature.
MEB platform behaves the same. It will slow down if you are in D mode (no regen).
@@voksic13 Nope, fat etrons don't do this. In manual regen mode you coast until you hit the brake or hit the regen paddle. With those settings the only thing left for any kind of auto braking would have been the collision assistance and a loud warning would have been heard along with a message on screen.
New Audi name confusion coming up:
Audi models with even numbers = BEV (new A4 will be a pure e-tron)
Audi models with uneven numbers = Not BEV :D (new A5 will be the old A4 without being an e-tron)
#WTF #Audi
Yoke or virtual mirrors, if you had to pick one which would it be K Tam?
Virtual mirrors.
I love the fat e-tron !!❤
Does it have battery preconditioning?
yes
I dont like Virtual Spiegel!😂
303Wh/km?
Holy shiiiiiit unefficiency.
ohhhh yeahhhh
When will the drive the car until it dies videos come Back?
Once it gets warmer and I get a new car that I have not tried before.
The bulk of the inefficiencies may be in the powertrain.
„Vorsprung durch Technik“ => Rückstand durch Lobbying 😂
114kWh gross, or 106kWh usable.
On paper, yes. Real world is different.
What’s up with the German calling the trip mileage “Short term memory”!😂😂 Bjorn, should you have mentioned it? Like you do calling out the Chinese EVs? Lol
I can have a long chat about German car industry. Let's not forget "kWh/h", "auxiliary heater" and "start engine"... lol
Nice!
Can you test Y SR in 🇳🇴 and 🇸🇪?
Both range test and 1000 km. 👍
Jaguar i-pace lär vara den bästa.
Iaf av de äldre! 💪
You're body shaming him 😅 Be more politically correct and say "body positive e-tron" :)))
Is this "fat etron" chinese type of humour? Can get it
So...doesnt the weight confirm it's probably the same battery pack with extra capacity unlocked?
Nope
What would the 50 do in range?
70 mph - 220, 55-60 - 247 miles in 10 degree uk weather.
The 116 kWh battery is only 27 kg heavier than the 95kWh battery. So There is no weight difference. Just more dencity
114 kWh
@@bjornnyland Correct ;-)
@@bjornnyland why ist the capacitiy in the video 100kWh and not 106 like AUDI says?
should be relevant to compare quickly with Model X Palladium or Plaid please!!!
The lady at 00:30 seemed to not like this shit 😁
Spotify will come this summer.
Only for the q8 built after May 2023. 2024 edition of q8 etron
@@tv9b4u all Q8 is 2024 model.
2024 model production starts from June 2023.
@@tv9b4u No. All produced are 2024. The VIN nr on this car Bjørn tested is WAUZZZGE8RB001494 R = 2024
@@tv9b4u Audi did this both on e-tron GT and Q4. Starting very early on a new production year. This prevent that there will be 2-3 months before a new year model arrrived
Why US? They are the last to get new EVs, and they dont get most of the models we get in Europe.
❤❤❤
Let me guess something surprising... you are not the biggest fan of Audi🤔😂
@Jason Chitty thx for your good reply! In my eyes he talked very often and more about the cons and forget about the improvements like bigger battery, more efficiency and he didn't even mentioned the better, more direkt steering. Personally I don't think the Q8 is as good as for example the iX, but he is definitely not that bad.
@@mattleistner313 You guys didn't see the video? The efficiency is still horrible. Audi could have done so much more to improve the Q8 e-tron but for some reason choose not to.
@@Arpedk ofc, but it is just a facelift and not a new Generation.
It's a facelift. For a car that was not ment to be an EV in the first place. The fact that is relevant in any way in EV market is remarkable.
@@Jeroenneman it chargers faster than model X and is built better. For less money.
Audi software is so outdated compare to other brands.
why would anybody consider a chinese brand in europe ? there is no service for them. totally unnecessary recommendation. best would be if you would always test with smallest oem wheels every car.
Fat etron....... heyy... i resemble that remark!! 😢
It's crazy how inefficient this car is 😅
Most buyers probably don't care or understand. Marketing is about battery size and here is just "bigger" so they'll claim better range.
@@djtaylorutube i agree with you, the fun part is that i heard a lot of people complaining about the energy cost going up in the last year, but then they bought the least efficient cars on the market.
Efficiency>big battery
@@Baffacof Agree 100,%< I just wish the reviewers that are less tech and more about packaging could at least introduce this.
Every driver understands MPG or the other way with metric.
Nobody buys a car based on petrol tank size. EVER!
Thanks for your complete videos but you must be maybe more neutral 😅… why don t you talk at the end about Mercedes (EQS/EQE SUV)? Even if we know that definitely Audi with this Q8 didn’t do a real new one 😉
More neutral? What are you talking about? By the way, I haven't talked about EQS SUV because I haven't tested it yet.
Why would he, not the same price range. Might as well complain about him not comparing it to a ID4.
Never use turn signals as an Audi driver. Hmmm are Audi driver’s a touch inconsiderate? Or just a-wholes?
We're a-holes. Except when sleeping.
Sleeping in the left lane?
@@bjornnyland Left lane? Correction, that's the VIP lane.
So still thursty as hell…
Audi thailand sooo expensive ..
The car looks cheap.
Interior have a low standard
The interior quality is very high. The infotainment screen doesn’t look very modern but an upside is that it’s easy to read while driving because font size is huge.
Why don't you take a trip to the US and make some tests on new cars. These recycled cars are getting boring. Or even China
Blame Audi for the recycling. He is testing a 2023 model. Bjorn mentions that little has changed except for some external bits, but those changes can make a significant aerodynamic benefit, hence retesting the "same" vehicle. Audi has left the interior -- and possibly more importantly the interior electronics -- the same when they should have taken some time and fixed some things.
@@aarong9378 do you want me to begin to mention electric cars that have been out for at least 2 years now but Bjorn hasn't tested them because he has confined himself to just Norway. The channel needs to grow and he has to sometimes take a trip outside of Norway and Europe. Rivian, Hummer EV, Tesla model X and so much more are still waiting for Bjorn. God knows I love Bjorn but his Channel is becoming too dull
@@blaiseasanga5567 You're new here, huh? I guess Bjorn didn't go to Thailand for the last several months and test vehicles there that aren't available in Norway...
Can't believe that woman walked in the shot
I'm on public space...
@Bjørn Nyland she saw u were filming, couldn't she walk around it??