Oil Consumption Update - 2019 Ford F150 5.0L
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So in today's video I'll be taking you through Ford's 19-2365 TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) that fixed the Oil Consumption issue on my 2019 Ford F150 with the 5.0L v8 engine.
Now as mentioned later in the video, the 1st thing you want to do is replace the Factory passenger side PCV valve with an EV281 PCV Valve (from 2015+ Mustang GT's) as this PCV valve has a cross section built into it, which is supposed to restrict the crankcase pressure venting through the valve. This method has (on some 5.0L F150's) fixed the oil consumption issue.
If that doesn't work (which it didn't on mine) then take the truck into your dealership for the 19-2365 TSB.
They'll change your oil and filter at no cost (because a TSB is covered under warranty).
If your truck was built before October 2019, they'll replace the dipstick on your engine, with a longer one, that not only increases the operating range, but will more accurately read the correct amount of oil, in the engines crankcase.
One of the issues was that some trucks had a dipstick that was too short, which gave an inaccurate oil capacity reading, thus causing the engine to be overfilled with oil.
The next thing they do is reprogram the PCM (Powertrain Control Module) to limit how much the throttle plate closes on deceleration.
The throttle plate closed too much, which increased the vacuum pressure in the top end of the engine, which caused oil to be sucked back into the intake manifold.
This, paired with excessive oil capacity, caused what has now been referred to as "Oil Consumption."
Once the oil was in the intake manifold, it was then distributed into the cylinders, through the intake valves. The end result was oil being burned off during the combustion process.
My truck "Consumed" approximately 1qt (1L) of 5w20 Synthetic oil every 1000km's.
I had the 19-2365 TSB done at 5000km's, and haven't noticed any oil consumption since. With the truck currently sitting at 8600km's.
If my truck still had the oil consumption issue, it most likely would've consumed an additional 3.6qts of oil by now.
This issue is considered fixed for now, but if I notice any changes, I'll be sure to make another update video!
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Owner of a 2019 f150 5.0. I was experiencing these same issues with my 5.0. This video gave me the knowledge to explain to my local dealer to have fixed.
Thanks for making this make sense. My 2018 doesnt burn oil and I wondered why, based on all that i had read. Now I understand. Ford should pay royalties to you for calming most of us down!
Thanks for watching!
I had the same issue on my 2018, had the tsb and the PCV replaced at the same time from my dealer. That was about 14,000 miles ago and the oil consumption is no longer an issue. I also run an oil separator and it collects about the same amount as yours is. Good video!
Thanks for watching, and glad to hear the PCV solved your issue!
Really liked the logical explanation of why the dipstick replacement was part of the fix. "The problem wasn't exactly oil consumption, but Excess oil consumption." +1
Love my 19 Lariat! Ford replaced the engine at 50k miles after 3 visits. along with the oil consumption it had quite a bit of pinging noise upon acceleration 😳. Don’t know what accelerated their decision to replace the engine but it was quick and painless. Dealership provided a brand new f150 loaner and truck running great 11 months later with no glitches to talk about.
Wow, you could show a thing or two to these Dealers Service Department, great thanks for sharing! 👍
Probably the best presentation/explanation of this issue that I have seen, yet. No opinions, just facts and laid out in a way extremely east to understand. Well done.
Checked my oil today on 2018 5.0 and noticed it was unusually low...hence leads to me to finding this video. Only 72 thousand kms on it had me puzzled. Thank you so much for this video. Ready had it in for the abnormal shifting and front rattling
Please explain the rattling . I think I may have a rattling
Thats your timing chain. Get some oil in it. @rainohhell7365
You explained this better than my service guy at Ford did last week.
Excellent job with your presentation! You even did a kilometers to miles conversion when you described your OCI. Nicely done!
I’ve been looking for a well explained what’s going on with my 2018. Very well done!!!
Thanks for watching!
@@EliminatorPerformance have u had any tranny problem my hits in 4 and 7 but most of the time switch's smooth
@@ssgred9169 occasionally it skips 3 and goes 2-4 or something like that, but other than that, nothing really. When I drive it cold I notice it shifts hard, but once it heats up (literally a block away) it runs great. I drive it in sport mode though, so if I drove in normal mode it wouldn't do that most likely.
@@EliminatorPerformance yea I leave in normal mode I'll try sport out thanks
From what in seen is the new sticks are longer with a wider or expanded safe range.
Top or full mark remains at the same position.
Just increased the amount of oil you can "consume" and stay in the "safe" range.
You explained this to perfection. Super interesting video. You just gained a subscriber!
OMG, your clarity of explanation is great!
Ford really let me down on this one, have only ever had Ford pickups, It’ll be fixed for free of course but now when I look at it I look at it with disgust. Anywho I’ll get off my soapbox. Keep up with the quality content.
Oil catch can do work but you need to monitor it during the winter season as water can fill up quickly.
Yup condensation from short trips too when the engine doesn't heat up. I drain about 1oz per 5000miles
Wow. Excellent presentation. I am not a mechanic, and I'd consider my mechanical aptitude to be average at best. But this was so well done that I actually understood the entire process quite easily. And it's very interesting. I am curious to know just how much less gas mileage you are getting after this fix.
Im way late to seeing your video but this is 100% the right fix for oil consumption. I had this done here in the states last year after the first tsb failed. The new dipstick, and throttle body tune was exactly the issue. My truck which i run extremely hard still doesnt burn oil. I drive it alot in manual mode, peg the limiter a few times a week. Race anyone i can for the fun of it and my truck still doesn't burn a drop of oil. After watching your video it helps explain what the tune actually did to the throttle body. I was told it did something slightly different from the service rep but i believe now he was mis-spoken. Very thorough explanation and a great video "subbed". Now if you have a video or have one coming out for an exhaust solenoid rattle issue let me know because ford is dragging their feet on fixing my truck and i believe thats the issue thanks to another mechanic on youtube!
The rattle you're hearing is from the cam phaser and timing chain. On the 2018+ 5.0 the engines have direct fuel injection, and the direct injection pump is ran by the exhaust cam on the passenger side of the engine. At low rpm, the oil pump is only making about 20-30psi and it's not enough pressure to overcome the load that's placed on the exhaust cam, so you hear the slight rattle. The only way to solve this is to increase the rpm, which would be raising the idle speed of the engine. You can also run a heavier weight oil (5w30-5w50 for tuned engines) and also slightly overfill the oil pan by about a half quart. This will help the vcty system to always have oil.
@@EliminatorPerformance ive taken it in for timing chain "slap" because thats what i originally thought it was but that was a dead end with the dealer. A ford tech on youtube has shown that a factory out of spec exhaust solenoid rattles under off throttle blips. Anywhere from 40mph down small blips of the throttle i hear the rattle noise the second i let off the gas. Its done it for 3 years now since it was new and has been in the shop at least 3x now for it with no resolve. They just put a shim kit between the flywheel and torque converter to fix said issue which did nothing but cause the transmission to sound like a tesla (no joke). I get the same run around story saying they cant duplicate it even though i had a tech sit in my passenger seat and he heard it, Its bullsh*t.
Thank you for the info. I was considering upgrading my 2015, for a 2018. The concern for many has been the oil consumption, but after watching your video, I may proceed... Thank you again
I would recommend a late model 2019, if you're spending the money. Or just wait another year if you can afford and buy a 2020 in 2023 etc... The 2018s have their own line of issues. Lots of them sorted out by 2019.
My 2013 5.0 has 302000 miles miles on it and still runs great and zero oil burning problems
And this video was about oil consumption in a 2018, 2019 5.0.
@@bigwoodn1he's just saying his doesnt compared to the newer 2018 and up 🤣
Ok so we need to talk about your dipstick explanation
The window was opened to 2 qts and dipstick slightly lengthened to monitor the consumption and see how bad it is before determining
- does it need a cylinder head or heads
- does it need a short block
- does it need a long block
It has 0 to do with overfilling with oil, I have a video out showing the exact aide by side differences
The top hole is the same, the bottom hole is different and the dipstick overall is lengthened a bit to be able to read that 2nd qt
It had nothing to do with overfilling or faulty Lube techs and simply for monitoring the rate at which the vehicle is consuming oil and so the customer doesn't freak out when they don't see oil on the dipstick
Yea these 3rd gen 5.0s definitely have a bunch of different issues, and the TSB solves consumption for some of them, so the excessive vacuum issue during decel was definitely an issue. However, there's also valve guides or seals, the plasma lined cylinders causing issues, piston rings not seating properly, and then like you said, the cylinder heads themselves. Another thing to look at is the 5w20 oil they use primarily for fuel mileage ratings. A 5w30 or even a 5w40 is best on these engines, it'll help with limiting consumption. Hell even the performance pack Mustangs use 5w50. I found that the ev281 pcv valve out of the mustang, and the TSB definitely helped with my consumption. The weird thing is, the mustang ev281 PCV valve is only updated when the block is replaced, as it's not listed in the 19-2365 TSB. As for the dipstick length, it was increased yes, but I was told by a tech that some trucks did in fact have too short a dipstick which lead to over filling the oil capacity in some trucks. It made sense that extra oil and excessive vacuum would cause consumption. I was just relaying the information I was given. They did for sure increase the range on the hash marks, but when these trucks are consuming 1qt per thousand miles/kms it's not hard to track consumption. What's not mentioned in this video, is about 150kms after I posted this, I had to replace the catalytic converters under warranty because they were completely fouled. This truck still only has 15,000kms (9300 miles) on it. I read that Motorcraft 5w30 would not void my power train warranty, as it's warranty approved for this engine, but I'm wondering if a 5w40 would? Maybe you can answer that one. I'm trying to get the most out of this engine, but I do have a 10yr ultimate warranty, so I'm not worried if it ends up needing a block down the road.
My 2018 has the oil consumption issue. At 20,000 Ford installed a new engine, it consumes just as much oil as the old. I too, received the new dipstick, it's 7/16" longer than the old one. The full mark is the same distance from the top of the dipstick, meaning the 8.8 quart mark is in the same spot in the crank case. The distance between the hash marks is now twice as long, it's now 2 quarts between the full and low mark rather than one quart. Ford hasn't fixed anything, they just want you feel better when you pull the dipstick out and see oil on the hash marks rather than below them.
In the TSB that called for my engine to be changed, Ford defines excessive consumption as 1 quart or more in 3,000 miles. Both my old engine and the new one a quart every 2,500 miles. I now have 20,000 on the second engine and am due for an oil change, it's just below the low mark on the dipstick, two quarts low. If I had the original dipstick, I might see oil at the very tip, or not at all at two quarts low.
Ford tells me its now OK to be two quarts low, I guess changing engines cuts into the executives bonuses.
I believe the vacuum issue, is only an issue because of the coated cylinders. Sure it's pulling oil past the rings, but only because the rings don't do a very good job against the coated cylinders.
If the longer dipstick makes you fell better, good for you. It just irritates me.
Same thing with my 2018 f150 coyote. I found the issue when I serviced the engine at the first oil change. There was hardly any oil in it!!! Ford replaced the motor and the new motor used just as much as the first motor. More than 1 qt per 2500 miles. Ford was going to replace the motor again and I decided to do the lemon law and Ford bought it back. I bought a raptor with the eco boost and no oil burning issues. I’m convinced it’s a problem with the plasma coated cylinders. The problem showed up when they went to plasma coated cylinders.
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So you are saying that some dipstick put in the wrong dipstick at the factory. Great video, thanks.
Yes that's exactly what I was told from the tech and have read on the forums, comparing trucks some were shorter. Thanks for watching!
About the brown milkshake color in the oil, I agree it's moisture in the oil due to short distance drive. I drive my 02 Ford Ranger 4.0L engine only 3,000 miles a year, and that's short drives, 2 miles to and from to the Grocer or to play the lottery. I change my oil after the cold season (May 1st) and again before the winter (November 1st). I don't burn any oil in my truck, which has 174,000 miles on it. I hear the best recommended engine to get in F150 is the 5.0 Liter. That's what I would get next, if I weren't so old. My truck cost $19,000 new, and I got to drive it 19 years. Most people would have owned 4 or 5 vehicles in that time span. Ha! Did you hear GMC now has a 4 cylinder DIESEL truck that gets 37 MPG ... Very interesting, worth looking into.
Yea Ford's pushing the 3.0L Diesel and also this new hybrid in 2021. They also have a revised 5.0L in the trucks too so it's technically a 4th generation coyote engine because it now has cylinder deactivation lol goes down to 4 cylinders. Worse than auto start stop in my opinion.
Thanks for the update. My concern is the long term effects like the intake and converter as well.
Excellent Video!!! Thank you for that well thought out and informative presentation!
I've been struggling with this issue for nearly 3 years now and fortunately I leased my 2018 F-150 5.0L Coyote. My main issue is that I would have purchased this truck at lease end if it were not for the oil consumption issue and all the potential damage that may already have been done. Like you mentioned below, your catalytic convertor became clogged. My UPS mechanic friend who was a Ford mechanic before coming to UPS checked with all his current Ford mechanic friends and recommended that I simply turn in the truck at lease end. They feel that this is a band-aid fix with potential issues coming later in the life of the engine. FWIW, I just ordered and will lease a new F-150 in June. Trying out the 2.7L EcoBoost with payload package. Excellent torque for my towing and hauling needs.
Thanks for watching, sorry to hear about the 18, but good luck with the new 2.7!
Well, I’ve had this issue w my 5.0 since 2011. Bought the oil catch can and empty it every few months. Yes, it’s full. It’s been using oil since I bought it. The dealer said all new trucks use oil. Hope to do this PSB on my truck as well. By the way has 160,000 miles on it. Was thinking of putting a new engine in it. Perhaps I won’t have to now.
@@billstriegel4357 - Reality is that NO, all new trucks do NOT use oil... My new 2022 Ranger Lariat with the 2.3L ecoboost came with the oil just below the top hole on the dipstick and it has not moved at almost 2,000 miles of as much freeway driving as possible... I changed the oil and filter at 1,200 miles and the level at just below the top hope in the stick is still there, almost 800 miles later... I have never had vehicles that just "use" oil... No...
I have a 2019 with 5.0. No oil consumption on mine...loving it!
Good to hear!
I've also seen several people (including myself) going to 5w30 oil instead of 5w20. A few have mentioned that the dealer changed their oil and put in 5w30. Also, the 2021 F150 5.0s are using 5w30.
Yes, just be careful because a heavier oil can cause issue with the cam phasers, as they have very fine screens that the oil needs to pass through. I've heard this could lead to the top end not being lubricated properly. Not that it happens on every truck, but it's possible.
5w30 is perfectly fine.
i also use 5w30 full syn penz..didnt stop consuming oil but quiter engune for sure
I think 5w30 is fine, about to throw it in again on my 19 but I have seen several people tuned and with charges that run 5w50.
I also use thicker oil on my 5.0. For winter 5w30, for summer 5w40, have over 130k miles and runs perfectly fine
WOW.. I thought someone was draining my oil and messing with me,, I have a 2020 F-150 5 O, always low on oil, no signs of leaks, thought maybe the yellow plastic drain plug was the problems bc I don't care for that design,, no signs of burning, and it takes 10 quarts to fill it.. you answered all my questions..
Best explanation of the process of "oil consumption" On a 5.0 coyote.
Thanks for watching!
I own a 2019 F150 that I purchased about seven months ago and I am experiencing this problem. First of all great video and it is very informative. I purchased the truck when it had about 37,000 miles on it and I’m now at about 45,000 miles. The Chevy dealer that I purchased it from changed the oil right before I purchased it. I noticed that before my first oil change the oil was low, but thought they may have just underfilled it. I don’t recall how much I put in it at the time. Today I am about 1000 miles until my next oil change and I noticed that my oil was almost a quart and a half low so I started researching this. I do not have any sort of extended warranty on my truck, so I am left scratching my head as to what to do. The local Ford dealer in my area has not been the best to deal with on things from past experience, which is a long story. Bottom line, I have owned two F150s with a 3.5 L turbo V6 and never had an issue. This is my second F150 with a 5.0 L V8. I kept the first one three weeks and had to send it back because of major issues and swapped it for my second 3.5 L turbo V6. I checked and Ford does not have any recalls on this of course. My concerns are what are the long-term effects of this on the engine? Second, how much is a dealer going to charge me to do this repair that technically should be a recall. Just wondering if anyone else out there is out from under warranty and having to deal with this or has dealt with it?
The tsb is covered under warranty, so I have no idea what it would cost on it's own for a truck out of warranty. It would be worth calling the dealer to ask what a 19-2365 would cost out of warranty? Then you could at least get it done and try it. Oil consumption will eventually foul the catalytic converters as well as foul the spark plugs over time
@@EliminatorPerformance Good to know! Thank you for the information. I will report back when I get the repairs done to let everyone know what the out of pocket cost is.
Had the repair done today and my power train warranty covered the repair. They did install the new dipstick, software update, and an oil change. I was right at time for an oil change so I basically got the oil change for free. I will check back in after I drive it for a while to see if it still consumes oil. I will be in stalling an oil separator as well.
@@76williamsbh good luck Brian
@@76williamsbh what oil they pour in 5w20 or 5w30 ?
This was the best explanation and video out there I watched on this issue.
The catch can pulls out the moisture, inevitably there is a little oil with it. In my ecoboost i typically got 8 to 12 onces every 1500 miles. Just bought a 19 5.ol thx for the info.
Thanks for this video, I’m about to buy a 2019 5.0 and will make sure the TSB is done before I sign
It may not even have the issue, but definitely get a warranty with it honestly for the extra thousand or 2 it's so worth it.
They did TSB almost a year ago on mine and it did not work. Don't buy it.
Well done! Thanks.
I had the TSB done last year and fixed the oil consumption. No biggie, this engine is solid.
Thanks for watching!
exactly 5.0 coyote is solid ..buy 5.0 lots of power , gets decent mpg . 2.7 and 3.5 may bet better MPG but More parts, turbos, controllers, lines , gasket areas, etc etc etc etc to motor the more links their are to fail~real simple, and turbos are major failure points , hot city / driving conditions eat them, doesnt matter how much extra cooling etc , If you buy ford the 5.0 over this motor is better in long run even though it drinks more gas, the cost of broken 2.7/ 3.5 repairs exceeds gas mileage/ costs of 5.0 coyote
I stumbled upon this video and found it very intriguing and interesting to listen to the explanation of the oil consumption issue! What you say exactly makes sense! I have an 2018 F-150, but mine is a wimp 2.7 liter V6 🙂
You're good, really good. Your presentation style is absolutely excellent. I learned a lot today thanks to you. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Perfectly normal for any truck with a v8 to burn. However if it’s low mileage it should be minimal. Lucas works great on a high mileage 5.0. The overfill can cause some burn as well if the dipstick is off, which is common across makes throughout the years.
I have a 2019 with the 5.0L engine and burned a half quart by 1,000 miles- I changed the engine oil then.
Oil consumption went to 1/2 quart every 2,000 miles after that until 6,000 miles. Some changes were made
with the truck then. 1- change pvc valve to correct updated one. 2- add Roush supercharger kit to make
650 hp and 610 lb/ft. That modification requires 5w50 synthetic oil.
Guess what happened? Truck has 12,500 miles on it now and hasn't used a drop of oil.
Best 10,550$ that can be spent at a Roush dealer for the horsepower and retains factory warranty
Use only 93 octane fuel and mileage drops by 2mpg but all smiles here when driving!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm looking at that Roush phase 1 kit now and it's tempting! You get the 3yr power train warranty, which is nice. I have a 10yr warranty on mine and have owned it for 2yrs, so I think I'll save up for it and in 5yrs install that. I heard there's a 91 tune available as well that gives you slightly less power
So would using 5w40 instead of 5w30 work?
If the problem was an overfill condition by one quart, then consumption should have stopped after losing one quart but that case with many. Consumption continued. The TSB did help some folks, but not all.
Had the same thing done on my 2019 5.0. Problem solved! Excellent video!
My 2018 has been thru 2 consumption tests and was close to the limit both times. It has a Ford Performance oil separator on since new as I installed in the first week. It has also had the TSB performed. At the oil change after the TSB, at 25k miles on the truck 3500 miles on the oil, there was some consumption but not a quart. I changed from Motorcraft 5-20 to Motorcraft 5-30 and have not seen any consumption. The recommended PCV was changed by Ford plus the engine computer and the revised dip stick. Been 20,000 miles on the oil weight change ….. problem gone.
Yes I've heard the 5w30 can solve it, good luck! I didn't have any tests done, I just took it into the dealership and showed them a photo of my dipstick being low before I topped it up myself. They did the TSB without question, and it hasn't consumed a drop of oil since
Look into the PCV valve for the excessive vacuum if it returns.
Ford has made 5.0 engines for years,why do they have problems now ? Add the blowing spark plugs,and the Fiesta and focus clutches,one has to wonder - whats wrong with ford.im buying a f 150 any way,but customers deserve better ! Great video !
The reprogram should no impact on mpg. The injectors are off, no fuel spray, during throttle release until engine speed drops to 1025 to 1075 rpm, or even lower. The revised throttle opening during Coast will not produce nearly as high vacuum and it usually does make vehicle lose some of the engine braking/slowing of vehicle that a fully closed throttle gives you.
I have a 2018 with the 5.0. Engine was changed because of oil consumption. I now have a 2019 model 5.0 engine This new engine burns more oil than the original. I had the same tsb done on my 2019 engine which ford changed the dipstick along with a reprogram. The shop manager and I compared both dipsticks. They are in fact the same length. The only difference is that the low and full mark are different. Instead of one litre between add and full its now 1.9 litres. I installed a catch can and yes it’s still blowing oil through the pcv valve. Luckily my catch can does what it’s supposed to do. Ford only swept the problem under the rug with a new dipstick.
Great video. I have a 2018 F150 with the oil consumption issue. I had TSB-19-2365 performed and did not fix the issue. Since my last oil change it consumed almost 2 quarts of oil in 5000 miles. I took the truck to the dealer last week for an oil change and they marked the dip stick. Now I have to bring back every 1000 miles for them to inspect the consumption. I'm surprised the TSB didn't replace the PCV. I haven't done that and not sure I should at this point.
The PCV valve is only replaced when they perform the short or long block replacement. I'm not sure why they would change the PCV valve there and not during the TSB for the ECU reprogram to adjust the throttle body position.
@@EliminatorPerformance yeah. Good point. Interesting. Since you seem to have good knowledge of this issue, wanted to ask another question. Would a muffler swap affect oil consumption in any way? For example, swapping the factory muffler for a Flowmaster 40? Resonator still in line.
Im on my 2nd engine and same shit losing oil like crazy again time to raise hell again. I've already had the tsb and longer dipstick didn't work for mine. Also it's a 2018 5.0. Glad you got yours fixed.
Sorry to hear that, hopefully they fix it up. I know the 5.0 had major issues in 2018, but I'm not sure why, if you had the engine replaced, why they wouldn't use a newer gen3 with the TSB already done.
I switched to Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30, no more oil use. Between oil changes I'm still within the hash matks on the dip stick maybe 2ozs. Using Ford's Motorcraft I lost 1qt per 1.5k miles. I also never let the oil change get past 50% oil life. I've got a 19 GT. Hope this helps, sorry about your luck dude. Oh and let your engine head temp hit 140f before driving. Plasma bores take a lot longer to heat up compared to traditional stock sleeve. I'm sure you've heard of the typewriter tick some people get.
@@EliminatorPerformance I wouldn't say "Major issues" cold starts and revving the motor ito the moon is ownership responsibility. Besides compression, nothing has changed 18-20. By the time 19s came out people learned to let the engine warm up a tad before revving to the moon.
@@Hanibul_Lecktor love the name lol. I always let my vehicle's run before taking off I had the typewriter tick in the last engine. I have heard of alot of people switching to a heavier weight oil that maybe something I start doing. Im currently getting the oil consumption test done on new engine.
@@kenwilson2314 I think Palm Beach Dyno did a video at a machine shop where they explain the tick in detail, check it out. Parts designated for a certain tolerance made it into the wrong engines early on. Then they (Ford) found the bore spacing was also off by as much as .12 which also caused the tick. Those were early release 18s, quickly corrected. You've got what ever current year block was replaced in it so you're golden there. If you're hard on your motor, 5w40 is even better. Roush and RTR both use 5w40 in street applications boosted or not. I did use Amsoil for one oil change to see if it was evaporation like he's describing here through the PCV system. Since it has the highest evap tolerances in the industry. Pennzoil is 2nd to Amsoil for 1/2 the price, only reason I use it. I cringed personally finding out Pennzoil probably one of the cheapest oils on the market also makes the best oil for street use.
I have my original dipstick from my 2018 and the new one they install for the tsb and the upper mark is the same. The engine is not being over filled. The dipstick is longer and the range is extended so it allows it to burn the extra quart. Fords version of smoke and mirrors. The excessive vacuum issue is correct but the dipstick is a joke
You may not have had a defective dipstick then. I was told by the service manager that the tech had said mine had too short of a dipstick which lead to over filling. Not all of the old dipsticks are the same overall length, and there in lies the issue. This is proven by some 2018 5.0 trucks not consuming oil. Also, these engines only consume oil up to a certain point. I ran the engine for a bit and it never lowered below the level on the thumbnail of this video. But this is one of the reasons why I purchased the 10yr warranty, so I don't have any worries!
@@EliminatorPerformance well mine was earing 1 quart every 1000 miles until I hit 35000 and it has slowed down. Knocks on the passenger side and echoes through the exhaust and Ford says its normal. I'm sure it has to do with the cylinder bore liner but I have extended warranty so hopefully it grenades before then lol
@@bukkalaraha hey I wouldn't blame you for draining a bit out and running it dry before warranty expires lol ford definitely had issues with the 2018s, and yes the plasma lined cylinders but also issues with the cylinder heads, PCV valves, throttle body causing vacuum, lots of issues and still some 2020 models are affected. Now the 2021 5.0 trucks have cylinder deactivation and they call is "variable displacement" lol I can't imagine what will go wrong with a v8 running on just 4 cylinders lol I've heard they sound like crap too haha
@@bukkalaraha it’s not knocking. OZ tuning says it’s too thin an oil with the passenger side VVT. They recommend a 5w-50. I’m running 5w-30 and mine is much quieter. Gonna try 0w-40 euro next.
Why wouldn't a red flag come up if they're having to put 10 or 11 quarts of oil in a 8.8 oil capacity truck sounds pretty fishy to me
I got the new dipstick and reprogram but still need more than 9 quarts to hit the full hash mark - still consume half a quart every couple thousand mile - also do oil changes at 3000 mile intervals to keep the TI-VCT system happy otherwise have unstable idle issues
Thanks for the best explanation I've heard yet👍
Thanks for watching!
2020 5.0 61k miles. Just changed oil after 4500 miles because my oil level was barely on the dipstick. Turns out it consumed 3.5 quarts in that 4500 miles. BTW. I already had the TSB done with the reprogramming thing. Seems like the consumption is getting worse on mine.
2018 the displacement went from 302 to 307. Perhaps they went back to a 302 dipstick and programming after discovering this oil consumption.
I'm getting the same issue with my 2021. Exactly the same amount of oil missing. I've gone thru 3qts of oil during the first 8000km. They said there's a TSB which I'm thinking its the same one. Thanks for the info. I'll be mentioning that TSB for sure. Thanks for the info.
This TSB should only be for the 2018-2020 as the 21 had a redesign. 2021 has gen4 coyote engine. Also, did you check the oil level when you got the truck? I had my oil changed at dealership and they only filled it to above the add mark, so I ended up adding another quart. If I wouldn't have looked, then checked a month later or something I would've thought I had consumption again.
@@EliminatorPerformance yes you’re right but it’s a start. Makes the most sense to me. I didn’t check when we first picked it up. About 2500km a low oil level popped up. I checked it and it was low. I added a qt and and all was good. It came up again at around 5000km, again another qt. It popped up again 2 more times and only need to add 1/2qt each time. The dealer is coming to pick up the truck tomorrow to start the first step of the TBS. my wife works at the warehouse in Brampton. She just found the dipstick in stock. She measured the overall length of it. I’ll compare it with the one in the truck when she gets home. (Man that was hard to keep that clean! LOL)
Yea I hear you, it's BS to deal with but hopefully they get yours sorted. Honestly the 1st person who I've heard has oil consumption on a 21, but I'm sure it's always possible. Hopefully it's a quick fix! Mine still running good, as always I'll keep everyone updated m
@@EliminatorPerformance I’ll keep you posted as to what they find.
@@EliminatorPerformance Their notes, unnormal amount of oil passing valve. they cleaned it and swapped out the PCV valve and the hose. PCM update for low oil warning. They also, at Ford's instructions, to remark the oil level marks on the other side of the dip stick so that it's lower on the dip stick. Sort of like the dipstick replacement on yours. To me, it sounds like there's too much oil and it was burning off. They want me to bring it back in 4000km to see how its doing. After that all got done, I received a recall notice for the same thing. LOL! Hopefully that fixes the problem.
Great it fixed yours but they are not all alike. Some will empty the oil pan due to poor ring tension and bad cylinder walls.
Yea I've heard if you don't run them hard during break in the rings don't seat properly. I was filming intake and exhaust videos early on and was running it quite hard from the beginning.
Mine burns a quart every 2500 miles.
Mine has 24k miles and has always consumed oil, finally got myself to take it in to the dealer and they replaced the dipstick and reprogrammed the pcm free of charge. Let’s see how it goes but either way plan on getting myself a catch can.
Good luck, and thanks for watching!
Any updated results?
Excellent info , my friends 2018 5.0 was down 2.5 liters at his oil change so he might have to get this fix.
For the people that say NA engine don't need a separator,they have never had a 97 Cobra
Best knowledge based video. Great job
Excellent video and extremely informative. I do have one question, do you know how long the original dip stick was compared to the new one they replaced it with? This way people would be able to check and maybe they would have the correct one installed from the factory. Thanks for the info and keep up the good work. I look forward to following you.
From what I've researched, ford extended the dipstick to a 1.9L or 2qt range, where as before it was only 1qt range. Supposedly the top full mark is the same, it's just simply a longer dipstick. I would highly recommend the 19-2365 TSB and ask for it to be covered under warranty even if your truck is out of warranty.
@@EliminatorPerformanceHow do you go about getting them to fix and cover the costs for something like this if the truck is out of warranty?
@@zachis4wheeling that's the tricky part, they should at least do the 19-2365 TSB but it's not always guaranteed. I'd call your local dealership to inquire
Can you provide the length of the new dipstick provided on the TSB? My 2018 F-150 5.0 is just out of warranty and the dealer wants $414 to upgrade. I may just buy an oil catch and the shorter dipstick form Ebay but I need to check if the Ford Part No. FL3Z-6750-D is the correct part.
Sounds like a major PITA but at least ford found the problem and hopefully all covered by warranty for free.
Yes a TSB is covered by warranty!
Thanks so much for the video!! Will get the update on my truck 😎
Would it work just to change oil and filter, install the factory recommended oil and take note of where on the dip stick it is and go from there. I don't want my throttle body adjustment if it is going to lower my mileage.
My buddy got the engine replaced.
The pistons were a different metal in those models and they had to change it due to different metal expanding at different times.
Letting oil past rings.
The longer dipstick registers two quarts of oil instead of one in between indication marks.This is absolutely bogus. It allows the truck to burn excess oil without it looking like it’s an issue on the dipstick. You should use TSB19-2058
The proper way to perform the oil consumption test after they have replaced the bunk dip stick and pcm update is to put 8 quarts of oil in and let the truck sit for a few minutes add at low indication mark on the dipstick then add a ninth Court allow the truck to sit for a few minutes and then an upper indication mark. The truck is then supposed to be brought back weekly for oil level checks. If the truck burns excess of one quart of oil per 3000 miles your truck dose not meet Factory specs. Long block replacement is issued.
I have went through this entire process and had to hold my Ford dealerships hand to make sure they got it right. My truck is burning 1.5 quarts of oil every 3000 miles. If I was to wait 10,000 miles to do a Synthetic oil change I will have burned 5 quarts of oil !!! Ford what is going on? How can you pass any emission laws with this kind of oil consumption issues on brand new trucks?
My truck consumed 1qt per 1000kms, by 5000kms I had added over 4qts.
The 19-2365 tsb solved my consumption, as I stated in the video, the PCV valve didn't, on some trucks it's all that's needed.
They didn't have to do the consumption test because I showed him a picture of my dipstick and it's a company truck and I said I don't have time to go back and forth to the dealership.
They did the tsb and it solved consumption. The issue was, about 100kms after this video was posted, I got a check engine light for a catalytic converter issue.
The original oil consumption lead to my left bank catalytic converter getting clogged up, they replaced that under warranty and I get better fuel economy now.
Trucks running good, just took it in for oil change and filter at 10,000kms and no consumption
@@EliminatorPerformance 1000kms = 621 miles in America...
EXCELLENT VIDEO!!!! I was just 3 quarts low. But now everything makes sense.
I thought I was BURNING it off in a sense. But I was using my shifter to keep higher RPMS. Not I know how the PCV works.
This is the first I’ve heard of the different dipstick lengths.
Man, this is so good to hear! I've always been a Ford V8 guy and when I found out the 2018 and up 5.0 are consuming oil I was so disappointed. How is the truck doing now? Is the fix permanent? Thanks!
The truck hasn't consumed a drop of oil since the TSB was done! With the addition of my JLT 3.0 oil catch can, it gets a little bit of oil/water vapor and I'm glad that the engine isn't burning any of that crap. It's maybe 1 ounce every oil change, hardly anything, and not a noticable loss on the dipstick.
@@EliminatorPerformance Sweet! Very much appreciated!
I solved my 2019 F150 5.0 problem(s) 💯👍!
~ I sold it!
Done with Ford.
Me too. Toyota all the way never have any problems.
Interesting issues. My 2013 seems to run pretty good, doesn't have many issues, even at 189,000 miles and my '02 sold back in 2016 had 244,000 miles and did consume some oil, but nearing a 1/4 million miles, it wasn't bad at all. What's funny is that these issues are largely artifical, meaning, it's really not the engine at all consuming the oil, but rather sort of outside sources, like wrong dipstick and a weird adjustment on the throttle. Also, I'm wondering if I need an oi separator or catch system on my turbo Bronco?🤔 I have messed with tons of mileage breaks for oil changes, but i have settled on 5000 mile intervals because it's older and I also tow about 10-15% of it's driving life. I figured that counted as extreme duty. Good video.
Did your dealership perform parts and labor for free on your TSB or did you have to pay? I have a 2018 XLT 5.0 V8 that has very low milage for the year of the truck. Only 26,800 miles. I only drive the truck six months a year when we make our winters in Texas from Illinois?
I have a 2018 5.0 and had a new engine installed due to oil consumption. The new engine also has oil consumption. TSB 19 2365 was done at the last oil change several months ago. Today the oil level is well below the bottom hole on the dipstick. I have also been blessed with a faulty transmission that Ford will NOT acknowledge.
Sorry to hear you're having these issues. There's been issues with cylinder heads and cylinder walls as well with the plasma lined cylinders ford used, instead of the old sleeved kind. I would go to another dealer if that's the case.
My son is going through the same thing
Loud noise on the passenger side on his 5.0
Ford says it's normal
BULLSHIT
Just because something is "common" doesn't mean it's normal, these ford service managers and techs need to understand this. I can't believe how many times I've heard someone say oil consumption is normal, knocking is normal, ticking is normal, whining is normal. No, it's common, not normal, because it's not intended!
I feel your pain same thing with me new motor same problems only now ford changed what they call high oil consumption from 3000 miles to 1500 miles motor sounds like a typewriter at idle transmission is a piece of crap I would trade even for 2009 f150 I had before this pos
Perhaps time to hire an Attorney to help you with this.. I had a new, undriveable vehicle once, and they did nothing.
My attorney sent them a letter on his Letterhead, and told them if this car broke down unexpectedly, and we were hurt in a resulting car crash, he was going to sue the crap out of them forever...
And, if they did not fix this immediately, he was going to sue them to buy the defective, dangerous to drive car back, and pay more for loss of time, etc...
The dealer brought a guy down from Dearborn, Mich from the Buick Factory and they absolutely found and solved the problem...
I never let the Dealer tell me stupid lying stuff..
When they do, time to get legal on them and they comply...
It will always be about $$$..
What is less expensive? Fix the vehicle NOW?
Have to go to Court and Lose your A$$, and have to pay huge $$$? And perhaps still have to fix the car???
It's always all about the math -- in Their crooked favor -- or in your favor...
Good luck with this !
I have sneaking suspicion that the catch can contributed to the destruction of my 2012 EcoBoost. It was -40 and the fluids that were caught froze solid.
You're stating the new dipstick keeps you from "overfilling" the engine with oil. My understanding is that the high level mark was unchanged on the new dipstick, they just moved the low level mark a quart lower. This cracks me up. If the reprogramming to lower crankcase vacuum was going to work, why would you need a new dipstick with the same high mark and a lower mark designed to make you feel better about continued oil consumption?
Yea so from what I've learned since, it looks like they're the same length to the top full mark, but they increased the range to 2qts instead of 1qt to better track the consumption because after the TSB it might consume 1qt/per oil change interval, and on a 2qt stick that's half way. On the old 1qt stick that would show no oil on the dipstick which made ford look really bad lol
Great video by the way...extremely informative.
Thanks for watching!
Great Job thanks for the information i have a 2019 xlt.
Hello Eliminator. Good job in explaining this. You found yur calling.
I bought a 2019 f150 5.0 xlt crew cab for about $45k. I had the exact oil consumption issue. AND trans clunk issue to boot. I installed a catch can and played around with different oil viscosities at my own peril. I never took it in to dealer because of the so many disappointments read on line from customers having the same issue and the way their dealer treated them. I feel that ford lost their way and was a complete disappintment. Carbon buildup that seemed excessive could also be seen on top of forward piston drivers side with a boroscope i had after about 5k miles. Plus my tailpipe was heavily sooted. I also wonder about their stupid "plasma" sleeve cylinder treatment approach. Sorry. I am no longer a ford fan. Also after about 3000 miles the WONDERFUL 10 SPEED Trans clunked very badly at startup especially after driving a while then restarting. No way after that metel to metal heavy banging the trans will last without problems inshort time. Ford is like hit or miss. Some times they are great some times they arent. I dont have the time to try to figure out problems they should never have created to begin with ESPECIALLY FOR A MOTOR COMPANY THAT SUPPOSEDLY KNOWs TRUCKS BETTER THAN ANYONE. I traded in the f150 for a 2021 tundra. Yes i lost a lot of money doing the trade in after a year. But At least i can sleep at night now. And altough the tundra is a basic truck, it JUST goes to say if ford cant do the basics of engine and trans design right then what good are they? Dont walk away from ford, run! By the way i had a 2010 f150 5.4 xlt 6 speed cab extended for 4 years that was still running great. I have to admit i never should have gotten rid of that The 5.4 may have had issues but if taken care of would have been just fine. And certainly saved me a bunch of money in the long run.
My father drives the 2006 xlt with the 4.6 and no engine issues, we just replaced the starter that was about it. It has 400,000 on it easy, the dash went out because wiring issues so can't say exactly what mileage. These new trucks are hit and miss, it's sad that some have the same issue but different causes, as the TSB fixed some but not all. That doesn't make sense unless there's other issues causing the consumption. Like I said, the oil burning is a byproduct, or end result of all these tiny issues that add up. Best of luck with the tundra!
So if you do your own oil change and you put in exactly 8.8 quarts and it's right at the full level it's not the dipstick. If you still burning oil it's throttle plate.
Yes exactly! But if you're consuming oil and your dipstick appears ok, try the ev281 PCV valve 1st, if that doesn't work, get the TSB done, as it makes your fuel mileage a bit worse, but not too much
@@EliminatorPerformance thank you
@@EliminatorPerformance well I got the pvc valve and I ordered the one you said and the one I replaced was the same one so I'm wondering since I bought this used somebody changed everything already still watching the oil level
So, 8.8L of oil and I measure how much I put in to the motor when changing oil so it’s not over filled, I have ford currently testing how much oil the motor is consuming. They filled the oil and marked my dipstick and currently I am almost at the 4800 km mark where they want me to bring my truck back and measure how much oil is being consumed.. it has used enough that it’s almost at the bottom of the cross hatched pattern on the dip stick. So watching this video, putting a longer dipstick in if the correct amount t of oil was added at the oil change is not changing anything but the dipstick itself lmao. The modification of vacuum I can see making a difference. It does not address why these motors sound like diesel engines chugging away at idle. Hoping my local dealership doing what you are stating is the fix as I use my truck to get to work and I travel for my job so it needs to be fixed right and not just a this is a work around for poorly engineered computer drafted and engine testing. My old trucks I still have with 341000 and 280000km don’t consume anywhere near this much oil and sound mechanically better. Shame the body is falling off them but that is the salt on the highways which to me is another whole issue that needs change. Thanks for the video and I believe this will be fords next attempt at fixing my issue. Thanks for posting
I have owned a 98 C1500, an 02 C class, a 97 Ram, a 92 Camaro, an 01 Yamaha, an 18 Harley, and not a single one burned a drop of oil. Now I have an 18 5.0 that burns 2 quarts in 3k miles. If anyone thinks Ford can’t engineer an engine better than that after 100 years in business, you’re lying to yourself. I’ll never buy another Ford product again.
Your parents must be cousins
You owned all old cars that had no emissions like they do now don’t blame the companies blame your government. Company’s are just trying to keep up with emotions
The coyote is a good engine
If the hash marks on the dipstick are the same height as the older stick you weren’t adding too much oil. Between the hash marks on most vehicles is usually 1 quart, so now instead of ford telling you to stay between 7.8 and 8.8 quarts they’re telling you it’s fine to be closer to the 7 quarts. All ford trucks had that original dipstick none of them came from the factory with the “new” dipstick. I don’t buy the new dipstick part at all. On the other hand I see how a new pcv and catch can helped. Thanks for the video
Check out this video, it was right below yours when I was searching this subject. New stick hash to hash is over 2.5 quarts. The original stick was 1 quart hash to hash. ua-cam.com/video/fn2L41Vz_WY/v-deo.html
So since this video was made, I heard assembly line workers may have mistakenly been using mustang dipsticks? I honestly have no idea, but it's clear Ford increased the range to avoid having to pay out for consumption issues
I have the same setup. My catch can oill is very black and I take short trips. Great video. Thanks
Very well put together video, extremely informative. Subscribed as I found your method of description very useful. Thank you
Opening the plate will also cause additional pumping loses. Which explains why your fuel consumption went up.
Yes but I'm glad it solved the oil consumption! Thanks for watching!
One last thing and I’ll stop bugging you, just re-watched your video and know that I’m thinking about it the fuel economy/mileage has not changed since the re-program. If might actually have gone up the slightest.
I have a 2018 5.0 and zero oil consumption issues. It took three re-flashes of the computer to make it drivable,( cold idle overlap and tranny management) but other than that it's been a solid performer. Well done and informative vid will get the pcv upgrade as well as the catch can mod. Thanks' and cheers.
Redlash to OEM or a custom tune? Some shifting tunes are rough I've heard, mine is great, but they don't like to run cold.
@@EliminatorPerformance That was the problem to a tee, and clunking when cold starting. Also a high idle when warm.
My 2020 f150 5.0 was using a quart every 1000 miles. I pulled the PCV hose off the intake and machined a reducer to reduce the hose size down to 1/4 inch. Now It uses a quart every 6000 miles. So I would say the PCV system is most of the problem.
The ev281 pcv valve and 5w30 fully synthetic oil solved my consumption issue, I plan on doing an update video soon
@@EliminatorPerformance I also plan on going to 5-40w. I also had an issue with front engine noise after my first oil change. I learned that the break in oil has a lot of zinc in it. I added lucas zinc additive and the noise is almost gone. Using a heavier weight oil down south is a good idea.
@EliminatorPerformance look forward to the update video
The issue is the crappy weak piston rings and liners. The throttle body coding change is a band aid on the real issue.
First thing I noticed when they changed mine is there is no hold back from the engine when trying to use a lower gear to slow down. Also, the pop (intake vacuum) when letting off the throttle after accelerating & revving over 3,000 rpms was gone.
Don't forget direct vs port injection for an oil catch can. Direct injected engines will have buildup on the valves as a result. Port injected engines will clean off the valves since the fuel sprays over them.
Does a 2020 f150 5.0 have direct or port injection ?
@@jasongallowayelite7432 depends which generation. The 3rd generation has direct and port injection, similar to the 3.5L in the Toyota Tacoma
@@RedWingsninetyone thanx
2018 f150 5.0 this didn’t work for mine still consuming oil. I did install the Ford performance catch can picking up about 2 quarts per 5000 miles but still consuming about 2 more quarts. Ford did the consumption test multiple times to 1000 miles looked fine after I passed 1000 miles it started consuming Ford then started the consumption test from the beginning again and it would not do it till it passed 1000 miles. I’ve given up I love the truck and haven’t had any other issues with it. So now I just dump a quart in every 1000 miles runs like a champ for now 75000 miles if it makes it to 200000 miles I’ll be happy ✌️
Just keep an eye on when your warranty expires, I just had to replace my left bank catalytic converter 100kms after I posted this video. It got clogged up because of the consumption.
Bro, this was a awesome explanation. Thank you so much.
Yes indeed...excellent video! Thank you.
I have a 2018 F150 Lariat with 5.0 v8.
I just hit 67,800 miles and noticed I was 'low' on oil when checking my dipstick. I drive my truck pretty conservatively so was shocked to see the oil level just BARELY evident on the very end of the dipstick.....and it took almost 2 wts of oil to get it up midway in the hash Mark 'safe' range of the dipstick.
I am taking my truck into the dealer for an oil change tomorrow and showing them this video and asking about the tsb's you generously provided.
Do you think they will cover these modifications?
What happened?
130,000 5.0 2018 having stalling issues and vct solenoid issues. These engines are junk.
@@thatlilbkid Sorry for the late reply. I did have the TSB (PCM and Dipstick) done, free of charge. Made very little difference in oil consumption.... but did make * a slight * improvement.
There is a class action law suit for the oil consumption issue for 2018-2020 Ford F150s with a 5.0 L engine. I own a 2019 ford f150. This issue is not fixable.
I had three oil consumption test and all the TSB ‘s done. At 24,000 miles mine is still consuming oil. I also have off throttle rattle and what sounds like spark knock at low speeds going up hills. Went through corporate before the last oil consumption test. Dealership said it’s all fixed and fine now but obviously it’s not. I’m not doing another oil consumption test. Hopefully corporate will buy this thing back
Hello I watch and enjoy the technical aspects of all your tutorial videos.
But I have a friend and know of several people with the 5.0 in their F150s and they all consume too much oil.
Matter of fact my friends F150 in shop now getting a new engine. I don’t believe a reprogram of computer will fix anything oil consumption wise. I believe it’s got something to do with the piston rings and or piston together.
Ok so the 19-2365 TSB reprograms how much the throttle body closes on deceleration, and you can install an Ev281 pcv valve (from the 2015+ mustangs) on the passenger side valve cover. This helps to better control crankcase pressure, as these engines basically created a vacuum in the top end which sucked oil past the low tension piston rings, up into the combustion chambers. The result is oil consumption due to it burning off.
Part of the 19-2365 TSB is a new dipstick, it has the same overall length but a wider 2qt range to better track oil consumption.
Run 5w30 fully synthetic oil such as amsoil Signature Series or Pennzoil ultra platinum. Or you could try a 5w40 oil, like a liquimolly Molygen (which has antiwear additives that will quiet the top end a bit) or try their SynthOil. Or run rotella t6 5w40. The T6 is a diesel oil, which has more phosphorus and can be harder on catalytic converters, but lots of guys run this oil without issues. Those are the only oils I would recommend.
That *should* solve the oil consumption IF it's PCV related. If you have an issue listed below, then a heavier weight oil will just mask the issue, not solve it.
There are other issues like weak, low tension piston rings with the plasma lined cylinders (that requires a long block replacement) which seems to always be on backorder for possibly 18 months. So if you have this issue, even if you solve the PCV issue, you'll still have excessive blowby which dilutes your oil making it look dirty even shortly after an oil change. The test for this is a leak down and/or compression test to check the seal of the piston rings.
Guys tend to baby new trucks to "break them in 1st" but these 5.0L engines need to be run hard and hot at higher rpm to seat the rings.
Having the piston ring and PCV issue at the same time causes extreme oil consumption, more so than the "typical 5.0 oil consumption" you commonly hear about.
Another 2 issues can be caused by the cylinder heads; 1 issue is leaking valve stem seals (after your truck sits all night, you start it in the morning and notice a puff of smoke) what happens is oil seeps past the seal (that was likely torn when installed at the factory) and oil pools on the back side of the valve.
To test this, you need to remove the intake manifold or the exhaust manifold and bore scope the intake/exhaust runners to inspect the back sides of the valves. If you see oil on the valve stem, or oil pooling on the backside of the valve, the seals are leaking. Leaking valve seals will cause the truck to continuously burn oil, regardless of whether the engine is cold or hot.
You can upgrade the stem seals to GT350 seals, and this will solve the issue. However, Ford usually just replaces the cylinder head.
Another issue is worn valve guides, which require the cylinder heads to be replaced. When you 1st cold start your truck in the morning, you may notice some smoke (not the usual vapor from condensation burning off). This will cause oil to be consumed each time the truck is started when the engine is cold, but once the truck heats up, the valves and guides expand and tighten the tolerances, which reduces consumption.
I'm working on a video that explains this, hopefully by the end of the year.
Yeah, consuming excess oil is the problem. Had a Cat C7 that required 30 US Qts but if you ran with 30 you would get a lot of blow by so I figured it wouldn’t hurt to just fill it with 25 quarts and never had the problem again. Newer trucks are requiring more oil capacity to keep it a tad bit cooler however I don’t believe the sump is deep enough and the pumps are over preforming causing excess oil in the cavities.
I'm really hoping this will fix my issue as well....but my one question about the dipstick....when I change my oil I add 8.8-9 qts and it's in the sweet spot on the dip stick, then after a few weeks it's dropping- so I don't think I'm over filling to begin with?
2020 XLT 5.0L 20K MILES
Hard to say, these engines are supposed to take 8.8 then you add a bit to "top off" but ideally they're supposed to take 8.8qts
Yea i measured mine out on the first oil change but it definitely consumed oil to the point i went and did a tsb, then was getting the consumption checked every other week by the service technician. Then before it was done they performed this tsb which to my knowledge fixed the issue.
This is good news. Thank you.
Now, THAT was a clearly stated, very helpful video. I now understand the 5.0 Coyote oil consumption issue, its relation to the dipstick length & pcv valve modification. My question is, isn’t the combination of (a) the longer dipstick, AND (b) the more restrictive pcv valve, going to result in oil burning in the cylinders?
I am thinking of trading my 2020 f150 with the 2.7 for a new 2021 with the 5.0. But I am hesitant because I have heard many people say that the TSB did not fix their oil consumption and now they are adding the new cylinder deactivation. I heard another reason for the oil consumption is the new cylinder coating started in 2018. I saw the TSB done at a dealer and to my knowledge, they also added extra oil as part of it. Any thoughts? Great video and very well explained.
From what I have researched, the plasma coated cylinders are only an issue if you don't properly break-in the engine. The piston rings don't seat properly and then score the cylinder, causing oil consumption through there. It's hard to say, as these trucks do have varying levels of issues. However, I would stay away from the 4th gen 5.0 with cylinder deactivation for now. A 2020 5.0 should have these issues sorted, but some still need the PCM reprogram to sort out the vacuum. Hope that helps!
I have a 2019 XL F150 5.0 and I'm having the exact same problem. I'm going to give this a try and see if this fixes my problem. Thanks for sharing this information!