At this point, looking at how many vessels make up *the floor of the Abyss,* I’m willing to bet the Pale King’s policy with kids is up there with Emperor Palpatine’s. At least watch episode 3 if you don’t get it. *You will.*
I agree with you on all accounts, Mossbag, but I have to say one thing: Hornet can channel and control silk(and most likely Soul) not because of her needle, but because of her heritage. She's the true daughter of the Pale King and Herrah the Beast, making her part spider to produce and control silk, and getting the ability to control Soul from the Pale King.
I think he came back to save Hollownest right before the knight. You just happen to walk in on Hornet killing him. Something about her dialogue made me think this, but I can’t remember the details.
One question that's been _bugging_ me for a while: "This old kingdom... A terrible thing awakens. I can *smell* it in the air..." _How can Hornet smell??_
a bit off topic, r/hollowknightmemes is a legendary yet blursed subbreddit. for a relatively small meme sub there is a strong sense of community, with all the memes that spawned out of there such as the one mentioned in this video, the mod wars and the war between nail gang and spell gang, its just a great experience as silly as it is
Its not surprising to me because hollow knight conmunity in general is pretty darn strong. Anyway i visited it and got a good laugh out of "pale zote" (you don't want to see it.)
Maybe the "lion village" refers to antlions? Those are cool bugs. I mean, at least things based on antlion larva show up in a ton of videogames. If Silksong is about going up, maybe the very bottom of the kingdom will be a deep pit for the antlions. Like, some kind of bad, scary place that could be like this game's Deepnest, or even a Colosseum of Fools type of area.
Oh god why did I image search that It's just a bug but like I always forget that looking up any normal bug means getting hundreds of closeups of every creepy aspect of bug-ness that I can conveniently forget when they're just cute animations in game
Very cool idea. I was thinking something like that myself. Not quite the same, though. I figured the antlions would be a race that fights against the ants in the game.
Okay so I'll just keep rambling as I watch the video since nobody cares. @6:35 you start mentioning the pipes in the background. The motif with pipes and silk lead me to believe that the whole of the kingdom might be a huge organ. No. Not like a spleen. Like a church organ. The classical church organ is one of the most complex pieces of technology that runs without the need for electricity. Everything is moved by a huge set of gears and levers and strings (might be what the silk represents but take it with a grain of salt) and the most important part of a huge church organ are the pipes that it uses. We've all seen 'em once or twice. The thing with those pipes is that there's a shit ton of them since you might want to use different tonalities according to what the piece needs. So there are sets of huge and smaller pipes that you can redirect the air to when in need of a different sound. It's really fucking amazing tbh, and if I were Team Cherry I would play with the idea that the huge organ that is the whole of the kingdom is what the evil dudes may be using to enthrall bugs with their song. And since in a real organ you can actuate mechanisms in order to change the sound, maybe you could actually change the tone of the song so that Hornet may enthrall them with a tune of her own and become the ruler herself, overthrowing the previous bugs in charge. Or maybe you can play a melody that gives them higher thought like the pale king did. Or maybe you can just wreck parts of the mechanism and liberate this new kingdom part by part of the higher bugs' influence. I don't really know, but the possibilities are endless and I am so on board with whatever they do
Plus the fixation on bells might make sense, since church bells are a thing. *also the cultist enemies what* (Btw I’m sorry I don’t know how to do the thing where you put a line through the text but yeah church bells)
@@tovi3280 Yea there's a lot of interesting history regarding bells. Some ancient cultures used them as a way to break bad spells/curses, as well as for spiritual purification or enlightment. This resonates (pun intended) with the theme of having an enthralling song/spell that needs to be dispelled or broken, in this case maybe with the aid of bells.
hey quick note im p sure the reason there is such a large concentration of vessels in nosk's lair isn't because they were somehow all attracted to deepnest and his lair and left the abyss to find it, but because there is a hatched egg- much like the ones in the abyss- at the back of nosk's death pit. i'd like to think he stole one from wherever he found it- likely the basin or the abyss (probs the basin) and rolled it back to his home, where he waited for it to hatch and spawn killed the kids inside
That is a really interesting theory. So that stone has a pale ore in it, which we know is connected to the Pale King. We see another stone similar to it in the Ancient Basin along with another Pale Ore. My biggest problem with this theory is that these stones look very different from the eggs we see in the Abyss. Just look at how the stone in Nosk's lair compared to the one in the Abyss. Different sizes and color. Also, why wouldn't Nosk just break the egg and eat whatever was inside. It probably doesn't even leave it's cave that often, it just lures unsuspecting bugs in with it's mimicry.
@@mossbag69 maybe this was earlier on, when nosk was younger- or maybe later on, when he was older and running out of deepnest food. another pale ore can be found in what i think is the broken vessel's egg- under the tram. one of my friends suggested that pale ore might be remnants of eggshell. no idea why it's up at the crown of hallownest but whatever
as for the color difference, we could just assume that it's caused by the void contaminating the birthplace egg and the lack of void in nosk's. i mean, they would've been born as regular bugs without the void to warp them while they were incubating right
Counter-points: On your case on Lifeblood being taboo due to the Pale King's rule, that may not be correct. It's possible that it's a taboo to consume lifeblood due to it being a rarity within Hallownest (Yes, I'm, aware that Lifeblood Cocoons respawn once you sit on a bench, but don't forget that Lifeblood is a common mechanic in the game, so there's some flexibility involved for the player's convenience), so it can be called a taboo in the sense that there are only a handful of sources of Lifeblood present. I'm not sure if there were any implications that the Pale King wanted to outlaw the use of lifeblood, but there are also no implications as to why the Pale King would want to preserve it (and if the latter was true, why would the Pale King preserve a substance that may be connected to some "Higher Being of Lifeblood"? And if the former was true, then why was there no mention of Lifeblood being prohibited other than just a bunch of implication brought up by Hallownest's residents). So it may be a taboo among bugs and not a taboo enforced by the Pale King, and the title of heretic given to Joni on acquainting herself with Lifeblood might have been brought out by the residents in Hallownest. Moreover, Iselda gives her thoughts on Lifeblood Cocoons when you're buying the Lifeblood Cocoon pins from her, describing it as "very delicate". She may have stumbled upon the Lifeblood Cocoon in King's Pass before Cornifer and her moved into Dirtmouth.
How does the scarcity explain the taboo? I don't understand. If it's scarce and bugs think you shouldn't use it, that would mean that they care about lifeblood. But clearly here lifeblood is something you're not meant to use/talk about, and joni was a heretic for their usage of lifeblood. If they cared about lifeblood, this wouldn't be the reaction of hallownest
@@solarprogeny6736 I assumed that whether the bugs cared about lifeblood presumably that it's scarce, or the bugs are not meant to use/talk about it, regardless of its scarcity or if enforced by the Pale King, Joni would still be deemed a heretic for interacting with it.
The fact that the King did not exile or execute Lifeblood users implies that it is simply discouraged like using weed, alcohol or cigarettes Vessels and Horney can use Lifeblood without side-effects for obvious reasons
I really hope a reference to Mossbag is added in Silksong, considering how many people have noticed Hollow Knight due to his videos. Not sure if he'll read this, though...bapanada.
Thats what i thought. It would be awesome to have mossbag refrence somewhere. Afterall he is one of the big names on hollow knight community and the name mossbag would fit very well to the world of hollow knight.
Mossbag thanks for putting out these quality videos I really appreciate the work you put into them. It really helps me enjoy the game even more. Thanks!
It would be cool if there was a hollow knight game where you get to play as the knight before he returns to hallownest hornet mentions he has been to places outside of hallownest and that's why its no surprise he could make it to the heart of hallownest (The city of tears) and this suggests that the knight has some experience from being away from hallownest
my theory is that he escaped the abyss and since there's already someone filling the role of the seal (THK) he just wandered off somewhere. He came back because he felt that THK was weakened and he knew that he had to take his place. This probably happened to other escaped vessels too, but hornet killed them.
@@fiendfi7119 I don't think that it would be the case as in game it says that those who leave hallownest will forget about it : "those foolish enough to traverse this void must pay the toll and relinquish the precious mind this kingdom grants". I think that the knight has left the hallownest, forgot about it and then came back (for whatever reason). This would make even more sense if you take into perspective that knight would be like player that starts first time playing and he is learning about everything from the beginning.
@@emilg2075 The knight has no mind to relinquish, that's sort of the point of the vessels (and the issue with THK). It was probably drawn back because of the seals weakening, coming to fulfill its purpose. As for why it wandered away from the kingdom is entirely speculation.
@@royalfool7 You're probably right, but I was taking into consideration theory that Bat Cat said, which would make no sense if knight would have no mind to relinquish.
Even if the Knight had a mind to lose in the first place, children of the Pale King probably have some degree of an inherent mind considering the Pale King is the one who granted higher thinking to the rest of Hallownest in the first place. Entirely speculation, but worth considering.
Imo Hornet is brought to this kingdom because of her strong connection with the weavers/silk. She could already use it in the original Hollow Knight, in both her boss fights we can see her using the silk thing around her body and in particularly in Hornet 2 you can see the spiky traps she lays tied by veeery thin tethers of silk. Besides, when you get to the home of mommy hornet in deepnest, everything, including the puppet dudes that gang up on you when you sit at the sticky bench are connected to the silk theme.
Long live Hornet, Leader of the Weaves and King (Women can be Kings and queen isn't as powerful) of Pharloom and Hallownest! Imagine if Hornet were to wield the powers of Void and Dreams/Nightmares. She would be more powerful than the Knight/God of Gods/Shade Lord/Godmaster!
I mean their blood is purple, but going off the cloth motif, purple was traditionally the color of European royalty because it used to be ridiculously rare, so it could be some kind of royal family pulling all the strings.
You're approaching the release date as though they're making the game from scratch, but Silksong clearly runs on the same engine as before. I don't know how development time breaks down between level design, art, programming, etc, but unless Team Cherry is really doubling down on increasing production value it's likely that Silksong could be considerably faster to produce.
Watching this video in 2021 looks like the biggest joke in my life,when i heard "HK silksong might release early 2020 or end 2019" I just feel...........I cant explain.
I think mossbag confused the whole Elderbug being younger than Hornet thing. You see... differnet species of bugs have different lifespans. Well as we already know, Hornet is a fucking demigod. So it would be no surprise if she can live for a long time while Elderbug is just a common bug. This means that even if Hornet's age may be older than Elderbug's. If we see it from Elderbug's lifespan then Elderbug is still an old man. That's why he's probably called Elderbug. He's the oldest common bug that isn't a pale being, not a vessel and not a demigod.
>Doing Homework >See's Video >Never Stops Doing Homework >Finishes Video >Realises I didn't Finish God Master >No Lifes God Master Because I want to understand >Fails Classes >Flunks School >Becomes Homeless >Dies What if u wanted to go to heaven but god said "DiD You FINISH goD master?" >Goes to heaven >Doesn't see team cherry >Remembers Path Of Pain
I don’t usually leave comments, but I’ve been following your channel for a bit. Gotta say, you got a good sense of humor and some awesome editing. Keep it up my dude. Always great to see a smaller channel on their way up.
Re: the vessels escaping the Abyss, my headcanon on the situation is that when the Hollow Knight began to weaken, the White Lady directed whoever of the Five Great Knights remained to release a number of Vessels that might have climbed up behind the Hollow Knight in the hopes that one of them that was properly hollow would usurp it.
Just thought, enemies specifically using scissors may be doing so in order to be able to cut silk. But then needles & crochet pins are for those who wield silk? I bet we'll see a tuning fork as a proper weapon for someone aligned more with song too! I'd love to get caught in the middle of a fight between Hornet & Lace :D
I just thought about something. I’m not the best at lore, but what if it has to do with the godhome ending where you give the godseeker the flower. So from what we know about the flowers (I’ll just refer to them as that) in hollow knight is that the grew mourner brought them from a faraway land, which we see more of the flowers during the lace fight. There is potential that the grey mourner got them from there. Now in the godhome ending I mentioned before, it shows the godseeker and the lord of shades being either transported or destroyed, but I think that both were transported to the place where silksong takes place, and that the lord of shades might have interacted with “the masters” as jiji calls them, and when the lord of shades interacted with the masters, something happened because of that which would be why the people at the beginning captured hornet and took her there. That would also explain the enemies that look similar to steel soul jiji, and why they’re trying to kill hornet. It’s just a theory though, and it’s probably wrong. Edit: Maybe the interaction I was theorizing could have to do with the silk that has to do with a lot of stuff in silksong.
I mean, the pale king was never good at keeping children alive
So him being a antivaxxer isn’t too big of a suprise
At this point, looking at how many vessels make up *the floor of the Abyss,* I’m willing to bet the Pale King’s policy with kids is up there with Emperor Palpatine’s. At least watch episode 3 if you don’t get it. *You will.*
And his favourite son ended up infected.
And his favorite daughter is an anime girl
So, to keep his children from getting the lifeblood...
He sealed it...
In the same place he put all his kids?
I don't think that's a very good idea.
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"I mean, they cover their faces! Anyone who does that is a menace" *proceeds to talk about Mask Maker*
Huh, I thought it was a Spiderman reference
Mask Maker only wears a mask to not scare others. He doesn't need one
yeah that line aged well...
Hollow Knight 3: Symphony of Dung
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUNNDAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Hollow knight 3: Return of Tiso
The grey prince rises
DOMADOMADOMA
Featuring Hornet's child: Hornee
Nobody:
Mossbag:Hornet is older than elderbug
Milf 🤣🤣💀💀💀
that elderbug is what
didn't he say that he wasn't around dueing the infection? if so, that might mean he just was somewhere else
Khanjeer so she's legal, right?
@@CallMeVidd bruh
I agree with you on all accounts, Mossbag, but I have to say one thing: Hornet can channel and control silk(and most likely Soul) not because of her needle, but because of her heritage. She's the true daughter of the Pale King and Herrah the Beast, making her part spider to produce and control silk, and getting the ability to control Soul from the Pale King.
That is a very good point. Should have mentioned that
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@@soyboymia136 Yep, and getting my comments noticed always makes my day.
@@mossbag69 Third video just to mention this point?
@@mossbag69 more views = more dollahs to pay your rent
“I mean, they cover their faces. Anyone who does that is a menace”
2020: Um.
With all the yarn and crocheting in the game, I can confirm the kingdom is called Yarn-am
Hornet's Epic Yarn
Bugs all over the shop. You'll be one of them, sooner or later.
May the good yarn guide your way
Hollow Knight: the Dark Souls of Bloodborne?
Hornet's Wooly World
Don’t forget the one vessel that made it all the way to greenpath that is holding the dash cloak
I think he came back to save Hollownest right before the knight. You just happen to walk in on Hornet killing him. Something about her dialogue made me think this, but I can’t remember the details.
Wilfred Gomez How could he even loose to someone who announces her attacks by yelling random stuff?
@@vengeflyking2722 bad reflexes
or bad plot armor
Vengefly King She announces her attacks?! Dude I played the fight without sounds. God I could’ve beat it first try
@@Oli-ey7rt eh, she yells something, but it is random.
One question that's been _bugging_ me for a while:
"This old kingdom... A terrible thing awakens. I can *smell* it in the air..."
_How can Hornet smell??_
Oh shit!
*_B U G G I N G_*
Maybe the vaccine gave her superpowers.
Those aren't her eyes those are nostrils!
@@DaveyTheDuck thank you for that image
a bit off topic, r/hollowknightmemes is a legendary yet blursed subbreddit. for a relatively small meme sub there is a strong sense of community, with all the memes that spawned out of there such as the one mentioned in this video, the mod wars and the war between nail gang and spell gang, its just a great experience as silly as it is
Speaking of which, here is a shameless plug for the Meme that I made!
www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnightMemes/comments/as59h8/git_lewd/
Its not surprising to me because hollow knight conmunity in general is pretty darn strong. Anyway i visited it and got a good laugh out of "pale zote" (you don't want to see it.)
there are 2 gangs? if so......
NAIL GANG FTW
@@pacifistminigun3987 why cant we be both.
but ill be honest, nail gang all the way
@@NuggetOG agreed. maybe there's no need to pick a side after all ^w^
Let's hope your mention of the Lifeblood meme will draw more people to r/HollowKnightMemes.
I recently joined there, fantastic place
yeah i subbed thanks to this video!
400 likes YEYEIUYAHWEIUASYE
Yeah but
Primal asspid bad
If Silksong Trailer Analysis 2 is so good then why is there no Silksong Trailer Analysis 2 2
It's basically "It's basically "It's basically Hollow Knight 2" 2" 2
Yet we get 2022. smh
@@jinxsterr_Dispenser3741 LMFAOOOO
Is this a new video?
Mossbag: Well, yes but actually no
Maybe the "lion village" refers to antlions? Those are cool bugs. I mean, at least things based on antlion larva show up in a ton of videogames. If Silksong is about going up, maybe the very bottom of the kingdom will be a deep pit for the antlions. Like, some kind of bad, scary place that could be like this game's Deepnest, or even a Colosseum of Fools type of area.
Oh god why did I image search that
It's just a bug but like I always forget that looking up any normal bug means getting hundreds of closeups of every creepy aspect of bug-ness that I can conveniently forget when they're just cute animations in game
Very cool idea. I was thinking something like that myself. Not quite the same, though. I figured the antlions would be a race that fights against the ants in the game.
Yoo antlions are wicked Radical , it'd be awesome to see them implemented
I'de imagine the entrance to the village be FILLED to the brim with deadly traps
My body is ready. What knowledge shall lord *mossbag* bless us with tonight?
Speaking of memes....
Mossbag: Silksong should release early 2019 to early 2020.
Me: Cries in early 2022
Cries in mid 2022
@@IzzyThangs cries in late 2022
cries in end 2022
cries in early 2023
Cries in early 2023
Okay so I'll just keep rambling as I watch the video since nobody cares. @6:35 you start mentioning the pipes in the background. The motif with pipes and silk lead me to believe that the whole of the kingdom might be a huge organ. No. Not like a spleen. Like a church organ. The classical church organ is one of the most complex pieces of technology that runs without the need for electricity. Everything is moved by a huge set of gears and levers and strings (might be what the silk represents but take it with a grain of salt) and the most important part of a huge church organ are the pipes that it uses. We've all seen 'em once or twice. The thing with those pipes is that there's a shit ton of them since you might want to use different tonalities according to what the piece needs. So there are sets of huge and smaller pipes that you can redirect the air to when in need of a different sound. It's really fucking amazing tbh, and if I were Team Cherry I would play with the idea that the huge organ that is the whole of the kingdom is what the evil dudes may be using to enthrall bugs with their song. And since in a real organ you can actuate mechanisms in order to change the sound, maybe you could actually change the tone of the song so that Hornet may enthrall them with a tune of her own and become the ruler herself, overthrowing the previous bugs in charge. Or maybe you can play a melody that gives them higher thought like the pale king did. Or maybe you can just wreck parts of the mechanism and liberate this new kingdom part by part of the higher bugs' influence. I don't really know, but the possibilities are endless and I am so on board with whatever they do
tommapar88 this makes way to much sense
I kinda want an area in the kingdom to be a spleen
@@Andy_ARBS I mean why not right? The spleen stores blood so you might as well throw in some mosquitoes or ticks or fleas while you're at it
Plus the fixation on bells might make sense, since church bells are a thing.
*also the cultist enemies what*
(Btw I’m sorry I don’t know how to do the thing where you put a line through the text but yeah church bells)
@@tovi3280 Yea there's a lot of interesting history regarding bells. Some ancient cultures used them as a way to break bad spells/curses, as well as for spiritual purification or enlightment. This resonates (pun intended) with the theme of having an enthralling song/spell that needs to be dispelled or broken, in this case maybe with the aid of bells.
"See? He's got the little hands and everything"
*_CONFUSED SCREAMING_*
It's trump
Dumb bitch
hey quick note
im p sure the reason there is such a large concentration of vessels in nosk's lair isn't because they were somehow all attracted to deepnest and his lair and left the abyss to find it, but because there is a hatched egg- much like the ones in the abyss- at the back of nosk's death pit. i'd like to think he stole one from wherever he found it- likely the basin or the abyss (probs the basin) and rolled it back to his home, where he waited for it to hatch and spawn killed the kids inside
That is a really interesting theory. So that stone has a pale ore in it, which we know is connected to the Pale King. We see another stone similar to it in the Ancient Basin along with another Pale Ore. My biggest problem with this theory is that these stones look very different from the eggs we see in the Abyss. Just look at how the stone in Nosk's lair compared to the one in the Abyss. Different sizes and color. Also, why wouldn't Nosk just break the egg and eat whatever was inside. It probably doesn't even leave it's cave that often, it just lures unsuspecting bugs in with it's mimicry.
@@mossbag69 maybe this was earlier on, when nosk was younger- or maybe later on, when he was older and running out of deepnest food. another pale ore can be found in what i think is the broken vessel's egg- under the tram. one of my friends suggested that pale ore might be remnants of eggshell. no idea why it's up at the crown of hallownest but whatever
as for the color difference, we could just assume that it's caused by the void contaminating the birthplace egg and the lack of void in nosk's. i mean, they would've been born as regular bugs without the void to warp them while they were incubating right
I’d also like to point out that there is a dead vessel in the room in which you fight Hornet as well.
@@lasagna3289 ok
Counter-points: On your case on Lifeblood being taboo due to the Pale King's rule, that may not be correct. It's possible that it's a taboo to consume lifeblood due to it being a rarity within Hallownest (Yes, I'm, aware that Lifeblood Cocoons respawn once you sit on a bench, but don't forget that Lifeblood is a common mechanic in the game, so there's some flexibility involved for the player's convenience), so it can be called a taboo in the sense that there are only a handful of sources of Lifeblood present. I'm not sure if there were any implications that the Pale King wanted to outlaw the use of lifeblood, but there are also no implications as to why the Pale King would want to preserve it (and if the latter was true, why would the Pale King preserve a substance that may be connected to some "Higher Being of Lifeblood"? And if the former was true, then why was there no mention of Lifeblood being prohibited other than just a bunch of implication brought up by Hallownest's residents). So it may be a taboo among bugs and not a taboo enforced by the Pale King, and the title of heretic given to Joni on acquainting herself with Lifeblood might have been brought out by the residents in Hallownest. Moreover, Iselda gives her thoughts on Lifeblood Cocoons when you're buying the Lifeblood Cocoon pins from her, describing it as "very delicate". She may have stumbled upon the Lifeblood Cocoon in King's Pass before Cornifer and her moved into Dirtmouth.
Interesting argument! But I don't think it explains what is going on with Joni as well.
How does the scarcity explain the taboo? I don't understand. If it's scarce and bugs think you shouldn't use it, that would mean that they care about lifeblood. But clearly here lifeblood is something you're not meant to use/talk about, and joni was a heretic for their usage of lifeblood. If they cared about lifeblood, this wouldn't be the reaction of hallownest
@@solarprogeny6736 I assumed that whether the bugs cared about lifeblood presumably that it's scarce, or the bugs are not meant to use/talk about it, regardless of its scarcity or if enforced by the Pale King, Joni would still be deemed a heretic for interacting with it.
Cool
The fact that the King did not exile or execute Lifeblood users implies that it is simply discouraged like using weed, alcohol or cigarettes
Vessels and Horney can use Lifeblood without side-effects for obvious reasons
I yeeted myself over here as soon as i saw the notification. Bless you mossman
This comment made my day
@@mathiswagner8472 I'm glad it did :)
ITS MOSSBAG, HOW DARE YOU MISSNAME DADDY
MY MEME MADE IT IN THANKYOU MOSSBAG
Can you type in the timestamp please?
@@cleliaoconnell3705 4:37
I really hope a reference to Mossbag is added in Silksong, considering how many people have noticed Hollow Knight due to his videos.
Not sure if he'll read this, though...bapanada.
Thats what i thought. It would be awesome to have mossbag refrence somewhere. Afterall he is one of the big names on hollow knight community and the name mossbag would fit very well to the world of hollow knight.
From what I've heard, Team Cherry doesn't like making references very often. But who knows!
@@mossbag69 :O You did read it...
0:15
Did... did you dislike your OWN video?
Trinity Productions AKA Kareem lmao
Tovi Heyyy
I need an answer!
Trinity Productions AKA Kareem he did. Duh ahyug
Tovi Heyyy
I mean why?
Trinity Productions AKA Kareem I mean why not?
Mossbag thanks for putting out these quality videos I really appreciate the work you put into them. It really helps me enjoy the game even more. Thanks!
"Around late 2019 to early 2020" Well well looks like we were completely wrong
Nice thoughts, mossbag. I’m still thinking about the phrase Team Cherry used for the province Hornet is in. “Haunted World.” Pretty interesting.
It would be cool if there was a hollow knight game where you get to play as the knight before he returns to hallownest hornet mentions he has been to places outside of hallownest and that's why its no surprise he could make it to the heart of hallownest (The city of tears) and this suggests that the knight has some experience from being away from hallownest
my theory is that he escaped the abyss and since there's already someone filling the role of the seal (THK) he just wandered off somewhere. He came back because he felt that THK was weakened and he knew that he had to take his place. This probably happened to other escaped vessels too, but hornet killed them.
@@fiendfi7119 I don't think that it would be the case as in game it says that those who leave hallownest will forget about it : "those foolish enough to traverse this void must pay the toll and relinquish the precious mind this kingdom grants". I think that the knight has left the hallownest, forgot about it and then came back (for whatever reason). This would make even more sense if you take into perspective that knight would be like player that starts first time playing and he is learning about everything from the beginning.
@@emilg2075 The knight has no mind to relinquish, that's sort of the point of the vessels (and the issue with THK). It was probably drawn back because of the seals weakening, coming to fulfill its purpose. As for why it wandered away from the kingdom is entirely speculation.
@@royalfool7 You're probably right, but I was taking into consideration theory that Bat Cat said, which would make no sense if knight would have no mind to relinquish.
Even if the Knight had a mind to lose in the first place, children of the Pale King probably have some degree of an inherent mind considering the Pale King is the one who granted higher thinking to the rest of Hallownest in the first place. Entirely speculation, but worth considering.
Nice subtle holy trilogy refrence with the menace comment
"Team cherry did say they plan on giving us updates every so often."HA I wish
Mossbag: that gives us a possible release date of late 2019 - early 2020
Me: its been over 9000 years....
"Late 2019 to early 2020"
3:11 I caught that Jonah Jameson reference 😏
13:49 I’m so glad they followed through with this!
The fact that Hornet may be older than elderbug changed my mind, thanks for enlightening me mossbag
elderbug is actually looking at dialogue one of the youngest bugs in the game
6:10 I really do appreciate that you considered that and clarified. thank you mossbag
Imo Hornet is brought to this kingdom because of her strong connection with the weavers/silk. She could already use it in the original Hollow Knight, in both her boss fights we can see her using the silk thing around her body and in particularly in Hornet 2 you can see the spiky traps she lays tied by veeery thin tethers of silk. Besides, when you get to the home of mommy hornet in deepnest, everything, including the puppet dudes that gang up on you when you sit at the sticky bench are connected to the silk theme.
Long live Hornet, Leader of the Weaves and King (Women can be Kings and queen isn't as powerful) of Pharloom and Hallownest!
Imagine if Hornet were to wield the powers of Void and Dreams/Nightmares. She would be more powerful than the Knight/God of Gods/Shade Lord/Godmaster!
Mossbag I love your videos, they make me laugh every time! The perfect birthday gift :D
Hornet injecting herself with lifeblood and leaving the kingdom is actually just a big “fuck you dad, don’t tell me what to do” moment
I mean their blood is purple, but going off the cloth motif, purple was traditionally the color of European royalty because it used to be ridiculously rare, so it could be some kind of royal family pulling all the strings.
Or a church. Team Cherry is not afraid to designate gods as villians so why not a church
"It would probably be released in late 2019, early 2020"
Plot twist: no
The bug at 2:27 also shares a similar design to the godseeker found in the junk pit. With a Golden head and grey wrapping around the body.
Mossbug: There was no romance in the first game
Zote the Mighty: Am I a Joke to You?
6:10 me, my necromancer friend, neighnour Lich and few zombies next door are offended on notion that beeing dead stands in the way of relationships
"don't expect silksong anytime soon"
oh boy, that aged *so well*
Milk it more, mossbag daddy
This would sound great out of context.
why
this video is 2 years old. I am going to cry
8:36 "But is TeamCherry really that cheeky?"
*violent flashes to when they said there would be no more DLCs*
“They’ll give us updates every so often to make the wait a little more bearable”
You're approaching the release date as though they're making the game from scratch, but Silksong clearly runs on the same engine as before. I don't know how development time breaks down between level design, art, programming, etc, but unless Team Cherry is really doubling down on increasing production value it's likely that Silksong could be considerably faster to produce.
This is a very fair point. I should have considered that.
@@mossbag69 no
well, we can see how that worked out
@@Notkikc I'd like to think they've doubled down on production value.
You jinxed it dammit
Watching this video in 2021 looks like the biggest joke in my life,when i heard "HK silksong might release early 2020 or end 2019" I just feel...........I cant explain.
thanks for new vid never clicked so fast
9:04 I feel like “Lions Village” may just be referring to Antlions, not actual Lions. Antlions are a winged type bug.
Hollow knight is really covering those Important political issues
4 years later.
13:10 *laughs nervously*
*Laughs even more nervously*
@@NileMcKenna cries
@@MrMelonGuy42*applies clown makeup while crying*
Silkong release date doesnt exist silkong is just a prank 🗿
Hahahahah
"late 2019-early 2020"
BOI
Praise Jesus lord mossbag has returned
“Late 2019 to early 2020”
Me, in December 2020:
*depression noises *
February 2021: still depression noises
@@cleliaoconnell3705 winter 2021: too depressed for noises
@@Niklink summer 2023...... Now dead...
How does The Knight even end up outside of Hallownest at the beginning of the first game? (Just wondering)
We don't know for sure
Climb/crawl his way out like a broken machine?
Void based teleportation?
If my dad made hundreds of kids and then disposed of us all, because we weren’t good enough, I wouldn’t stick around his dying kingdom.
I guess there a breach at the far left of the abyss and the vessel was able to leave that way, who knows?
they used the broken vessel as a battering ram to drill out. That is why he is broken
Nobody:
Mossbag: HMMMM
I think the new purple boss would be " these are not to scale btw" All the evidence lines up!
"it will come late 2019 or early 2020" *cries in 2021*
Late 2019, early 2020. only possibly 3 years off!
yeah but at least they have totally been giving us frequent updates liek they said they would...
Mossbag, "the release date should be late 2019 to early 2020"
Team Cherry : Laughs
It's 2021 now baby
Omg that “albeit a little turned on” cracked me up! Love your content and these games, you’re awesome!
w release date prediction
Higher beings, these words are for you alone.
Another Mossbag video! Rejoice!
Oh so im a menace for putting a paper bag on my head?!?!
>:(
The child is corrupted *eliminate and asimilate* .
“Late 2019 to early 2020”
Umm, about that…
Ikr
"Give us updates to fill us in on what crazy things they're up to"
"Hopefully that'll make the wait more bearable"
Man, I wish for simpler times.
"late 2019 or early 2020"
**cries in 2021**
Mossbag: Anyone covering their face is a menace.
2020: OoOoH yOu'Re In TrOuBLe
Did you just bust out the donkey Kong tv show ost???
He really did though
I think mossbag confused the whole Elderbug being younger than Hornet thing. You see... differnet species of bugs have different lifespans. Well as we already know, Hornet is a fucking demigod. So it would be no surprise if she can live for a long time while Elderbug is just a common bug. This means that even if Hornet's age may be older than Elderbug's. If we see it from Elderbug's lifespan then Elderbug is still an old man. That's why he's probably called Elderbug. He's the oldest common bug that isn't a pale being, not a vessel and not a demigod.
Mossbag, give me source on the music on 0:24 and nobody gets hurt.
Eddie Let Me Go Back To My Home from the Donkey Kong Country TV show
@@mossbag69 thanks
Haha no problem!
@@mossbag69 I recognize eddy the mean old yeti from anywhere.
"that gives us a release date to around... late 2019 to early 2020"
little did he know...
>Doing Homework
>See's Video
>Never Stops Doing Homework
>Finishes Video
>Realises I didn't Finish God Master
>No Lifes God Master Because I want to understand
>Fails Classes
>Flunks School
>Becomes Homeless
>Dies
What if u wanted to go to heaven but god said "DiD You FINISH goD master?"
>Goes to heaven
>Doesn't see team cherry
>Remembers Path Of Pain
???
Path of pain really was hell
EDDY, LET ME GO BACK TO MY HOME!
im watching this video in 2021 and when you said its gonna release in early 2020 i just laughed
I don’t usually leave comments, but I’ve been following your channel for a bit. Gotta say, you got a good sense of humor and some awesome editing. Keep it up my dude. Always great to see a smaller channel on their way up.
6:10
we all just gonna ignore the fact mossbag legit said 'non-binary in relationship rights'
I'm glad you corrected yourself on the delicate flower / roses in that cage / elevator room. They def look different. You have regained my trust
2020? That would be nice…
You know you like a franchise too much when you like a speculation video before you watch it
0:11
Recommended fee
"Sonic inflation adventures"
Your welcome ;)
Fantastic videos by some ordinary gamers
I immediately Ctrl-F to see if someone had mentioned it already.
Re: the vessels escaping the Abyss, my headcanon on the situation is that when the Hollow Knight began to weaken, the White Lady directed whoever of the Five Great Knights remained to release a number of Vessels that might have climbed up behind the Hollow Knight in the hopes that one of them that was properly hollow would usurp it.
*Late 2019 to early 2020*
Just thought, enemies specifically using scissors may be doing so in order to be able to cut silk.
But then needles & crochet pins are for those who wield silk?
I bet we'll see a tuning fork as a proper weapon for someone aligned more with song too!
I'd love to get caught in the middle of a fight between Hornet & Lace :D
So the silksong trailer has been out a few years now giving us some more time to examine things.
Mossbag: "That gives us a release date of around late 2019 to early 2020."
A bit off.
I just thought about something. I’m not the best at lore, but what if it has to do with the godhome ending where you give the godseeker the flower. So from what we know about the flowers (I’ll just refer to them as that) in hollow knight is that the grew mourner brought them from a faraway land, which we see more of the flowers during the lace fight. There is potential that the grey mourner got them from there. Now in the godhome ending I mentioned before, it shows the godseeker and the lord of shades being either transported or destroyed, but I think that both were transported to the place where silksong takes place, and that the lord of shades might have interacted with “the masters” as jiji calls them, and when the lord of shades interacted with the masters, something happened because of that which would be why the people at the beginning captured hornet and took her there. That would also explain the enemies that look similar to steel soul jiji, and why they’re trying to kill hornet. It’s just a theory though, and it’s probably wrong.
Edit: Maybe the interaction I was theorizing could have to do with the silk that has to do with a lot of stuff in silksong.
Calling it now, if the final boss is going to be purple it will definitely be Spyro the Dragon. But it's a PS4 exclusive.
wow, we did see the return of the noid. you called it
3:12 "These bugs cover their faces, and so cannot be trusted. Anyway according to Mask Maker, who covers his face and is very trustworthy-"
1:13 it´s cool now that we know that she actually didn´t escape before because of the seal of biding, but that was not in the trailer
I'm waiting for "Hollow Knight: Zote's Journey"
You mean “Hollow Knight: ZoteSong
@@papajohns3726 you mean hollow knight truth, beauty, and hatred
You mean zoteboat
A new Mossbag video? By the King, how radiant!
Where Hollow Knight was compared to Dark Souls, Silksong will be Bloodbourne. You can tell because youre in YARN-EM
Gold
FUCK
Hollow Knight had Bloodbourne influence. City of Tears is less Medieval and more Victorian in design