Vader is impressed with his son , like all fathers are impressed with there sons accomplishments. First the Death star , then the dual in cloud city and now out manuavering him . Vader seems to glow in his son growth . Something else Vader was impressed with Luke in Endor he admired how he rebuilt his light saber. Father's always take pride in their son.
In their first combat engagement, Luke was engaged in a torpedo run that had to be made and successfully completed, even if it meant his death moments after firing the torpedoes. Luke was not in the middle of a dogfight with Vader. Darth Vader was working to catch up with him and get close enough to start firing. That first engagement, a straight line chase, by no means was a test of piloting skill for either of them.
Let's be honest, Vader isn't trying to kill Luke, he is testing him and purposely causing Luke to prove how well can grow as a Force user. All this because he's a good dad.
No, it's because he knows Palpatine wants to replace him with his son as the apprentice. At the end of ROTJ, Yoda, Ben and Palpatine all want the same thing -- Vader dead. All for different reasons, yes, but the same result Vader, otoh, wants to turn Luke and kill Palpatine so they can "...rule the galaxy together as father and son." Luke is the only one working for a completely different outcome. Luke didn't surrender himself to Vader to take on the emperor, he came solely to try and save his dad. Luke says as much. "...that's why you won't turn me over to the emperor now." Oooops.
Worst Dad in the galaxy with his "works too much to spend time with the kids" excuse lol. The Emperor has him working OT so he's missed out on 20+ years of being a father. Now Vader wants to test out if his son has the same throwing arm he does that runs in the family without getting too close emotionally.
Not necessarily. Luke flies more frequently than Vader. Anakin was a jedi knight and did stuff for the Jedi order. His combat pilot experience is mostly from the clone Wars. Luke was piloting an armed T-16 skyhopper before he was even 18 if I recall correctly. After becoming Darth Vader, Vader did not have as many combat flights as during the clone Wars. Luke's primary duties with the Rebel Alliance was being a pilot. Basically, Anakin's time was spread over many different roles (general, pilot, diplomat, commando leader, teacher, etc) as was Darth Vader (enforcer, Supreme commander, executioner, diplomat, etc) while Luke's primary role was just being a combat pilot, with some commando action and maybe some diplomacy on the side. Not saying Luke has more experience or that your overall conclusion is wrong, but that just because Vader is older does not automatically mean he actually has more combat flying experience. Another thing to consider is the ships they flew as well as the fleet doctrine of the faction they belonged to has an impact on their flight hours. Until Vader had his tie advanced, nearly all the fighters he flew had no hyperdrive and required either a hyperdrive docking ring or had to be carried by a capital ship. After joining the Rebel Alliance, Luke's primary fighter was the x-wing, which had a built in hyperdrive. At the same time, the Rebel Alliance relied heavily on snub fighters making hit and run attacks and rarely engaged in major fleet actions. Simply going from one planet to another usually had Luke fly an x-wing instead of being transported by a capital ship. Even non-combat flight hours play a role in experience. With all those factors, it is theoretically possible for Luke to have more flight hours, at least over a given length of time (we will call it flight hours per year). Vader probably has more flight hours total, but that is not an absolute certainty, and Luke definitely has had more flight time over the past three years than Vader has had. Another thing to take into account: even during the height of the clone wars, Anakin Skywalker would most likely have less flight hours per year due to the ships and tactics used (as well as his other duties) than Luke has during his time with the Rebel Alliance.
Well, winning's winning; a nice drift maneuver, talk about extreme terrain masking LOL But, that's one deep fakeout ambush from pops, and he's only grounded. I vote Luke.... one farmboy to another✌️😏
As others have said, Vader was likely impressed with his son's piloting skill. However, I would still give Vader the better pilot ranking- he was clearly not trying to kill his son- possibly not even trying to shoot him down so much as force him down. Luke used his environment and performed a decent maneuver, but as we saw from the Trench Run, if Vader was behind him for that length of time (sans meatshields) and had wanted Luke dead, he'd be dead. (Heck, the "under" attack vector clearly had Luke in his sights, so...) Not that Luke's a bad pilot; just that Vader has a few decades of experience on him. (Also, if Luke was gonna attack, he really should've went for Proton Torpedoes during a barrage of laser fire; draw focus with the lasers, and the PTs should get close enough their blasts do some serious work.)
You can still be better than someone and get outsmarted like in a 1v1 if u always beat the same person but they find a completely unorthodox method that doesn’t make them better it’s still impressive tho but it most likely won’t work again it’s like dream and his hunters as wel
Don't be silly. Vader wants a "competent" son so they can overturn/kill Palpatine and "...rule the galaxy together as father and son." Dad is still thinking like a Sith.
While technically it's good to see that they're finally treating Luke closer to his established character. I think they did so incorrectly even here. I mean come on no one's a better pilot then Anakin Skywalker and or Vader. So while Luke was finally getting some respect. They denigrate Vader. Like just because one has the upper hand doesn't mean they should obliterate the other. At no point should Luke have been able to encounter the possibility of defeating Vader. Luke at this point would have only ever been able to escape at best. Certainly not destroy. Even if it is true that in that scenario he would not choose to kill Vader.
It's marvel comics writing. Every hero gets the better of the more skilled villain even if it's a small victory with impossible odds. The hallmark of marvel writing.
Luke did something like this in the old Marvel Star Wars comic book series. The Falcon was trying to escape from Vader's advanced fighter. Luke hit the the waste tank release with the water tanks too. This frozen in Vader's path. Vader saw this and stated "Well done, young Skywalker" and crash into this.
At first Vader was fully dedicated to destroying Luke to him he was another nat that needed swatting. But once the emperor confirmed this is no doubt the offspring of anakin Skywalker, he changed. Now it was more about okay well let's see how good he really is and tested him but held back at the same time. As Vader expressed to Luke together we can overthrow the emperor and rule as father and son. His intentions were fully to make his son his apprentice and tested him every chance he got but was astonished at the level of control power and technique Luke possessed at the time with little to no training.
I think vader is the better pilot but at the same the ships during the clones wars were way more manuverable than the ships after ABY were a bit slow and clunky. It may have been the special effects in prequels being better than the orignal trilogy but that just my opinion.
I think Luke the a better pilot cause he just as good at flying as Vader but Luke doenst suffer from Vader hubris, hence fourth he is the better pilot his ego doesn't get in the way
I personally think that they are equally matched. Luke was caught off guard at the beginning however because of his past experiences he was able to adapt quickly. However Luke also temporally disabled Vader, mind you Vader has done that to Luke to. In the end they are equal to each other with the only advantage is experience and even then that doesn’t always cut it.
Luke just stop Vader for a while, Vader regain his tie short after and is behind Luke again. Publish the rest of the comic. No one can best Vader at flight
Neither is better then the other from everything I've seen they both are equally skilled as pilot which one wins when they fight comes down to luck an other factors that you can't predict. But having the skill needed when those openings happen is crucial an they both have that in spades.
i feel like if vader was using a jedi star fighter design over a tie-advanced vader would of won there, as for skill i say its still vader as i personally feel like the strategy luke used was pure luck that he found it
You gotta admit though Vader wants Luke alive so he'll probably give him a handicap, but if he wanted him dead. I bet beyond a shadow of a doubt Vader would prevail.
no it's just that Luke tricked him. Vader is obviously a better pilot but he was outsmarted ONCE. And no, that's not what a Mary Sue means at all; stop throwing it around like you know what it means
@@cucumberwater6 I know what Mary sue means it's from a star treck fan fiction where the main character "Mary sue" is smarter, stronger, faster and is just better then all the other character at everything for no good reason.
@@cucumberwater6 I know what it means it's from a Star treck fanfiction where the main character "Mary sue" is smarter, faster, stronger and just better in everyway compared to the rest of the cast for no good reason.
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Vader, staring at his ruined TIE Advanced: "I don't like ice. It's cold and hard and irritating and it gets everywhere."
That's how I feel about snow and the cold it's kind of ironic because I'm Canadian
I think that Vader is secretly impressed by Luke's piloting skills in the comic.
Not impressed more like proud
@@RUNAWAYTRAIN3010 To be fair there to many interfaces during the battle. I didn't know vader star fighter could go under water.
@@michaelsmith622 yes very shocking
@@RUNAWAYTRAIN3010 And IT comes from the deep!!!
@@michaelsmith622 ha ha may the force be with you
Vader is impressed with his son , like all fathers are impressed with there sons accomplishments. First the Death star , then the dual in cloud city and now out manuavering him . Vader seems to glow in his son growth . Something else Vader was impressed with Luke in Endor he admired how he rebuilt his light saber. Father's always take pride in their son.
*duel
R2: *beep boo beep whooo*
Luke: what do you mean deploy the sand bags? That’s not going to help…
R2: *deploys sand*
Vader: NOOOOOOOO!
Luke: "R2, how did you that would work?"
R2: *beep boop bweep*
Luke: "What do you mean you knew my dad?!"
Gotta love that Tie propulsion system. Being based on compressed air it worked underwater pretty easily.
Vader after crashing: Impressive.
Luke: I told you I'm full of surprises.
In their first combat engagement, Luke was engaged in a torpedo run that had to be made and successfully completed, even if it meant his death moments after firing the torpedoes. Luke was not in the middle of a dogfight with Vader. Darth Vader was working to catch up with him and get close enough to start firing. That first engagement, a straight line chase, by no means was a test of piloting skill for either of them.
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS
It’s unfair!
@@Revick_Revas HOW CAN YOU BE ON THE COUNCIL AND NOT BE A MASTER
“Take a seat, young Skywalker”
Let's be honest, Vader isn't trying to kill Luke, he is testing him and purposely causing Luke to prove how well can grow as a Force user. All this because he's a good dad.
No, it's because he knows Palpatine wants to replace him with his son as the apprentice. At the end of ROTJ, Yoda, Ben and Palpatine all want the same thing -- Vader dead. All for different reasons, yes, but the same result
Vader, otoh, wants to turn Luke and kill Palpatine so they can "...rule the galaxy together as father and son." Luke is the only one working for a completely different outcome. Luke didn't surrender himself to Vader to take on the emperor, he came solely to try and save his dad.
Luke says as much. "...that's why you won't turn me over to the emperor now." Oooops.
Worst Dad in the galaxy with his "works too much to spend time with the kids" excuse lol. The Emperor has him working OT so he's missed out on 20+ years of being a father. Now Vader wants to test out if his son has the same throwing arm he does that runs in the family without getting too close emotionally.
No matter the occasion, Vader wants Luke to join him. If Vader wanted to kill Luke, he would easily. He has 18 years of flying over him
Not necessarily. Luke flies more frequently than Vader. Anakin was a jedi knight and did stuff for the Jedi order. His combat pilot experience is mostly from the clone Wars. Luke was piloting an armed T-16 skyhopper before he was even 18 if I recall correctly. After becoming Darth Vader, Vader did not have as many combat flights as during the clone Wars. Luke's primary duties with the Rebel Alliance was being a pilot. Basically, Anakin's time was spread over many different roles (general, pilot, diplomat, commando leader, teacher, etc) as was Darth Vader (enforcer, Supreme commander, executioner, diplomat, etc) while Luke's primary role was just being a combat pilot, with some commando action and maybe some diplomacy on the side. Not saying Luke has more experience or that your overall conclusion is wrong, but that just because Vader is older does not automatically mean he actually has more combat flying experience. Another thing to consider is the ships they flew as well as the fleet doctrine of the faction they belonged to has an impact on their flight hours. Until Vader had his tie advanced, nearly all the fighters he flew had no hyperdrive and required either a hyperdrive docking ring or had to be carried by a capital ship. After joining the Rebel Alliance, Luke's primary fighter was the x-wing, which had a built in hyperdrive. At the same time, the Rebel Alliance relied heavily on snub fighters making hit and run attacks and rarely engaged in major fleet actions. Simply going from one planet to another usually had Luke fly an x-wing instead of being transported by a capital ship. Even non-combat flight hours play a role in experience. With all those factors, it is theoretically possible for Luke to have more flight hours, at least over a given length of time (we will call it flight hours per year). Vader probably has more flight hours total, but that is not an absolute certainty, and Luke definitely has had more flight time over the past three years than Vader has had. Another thing to take into account: even during the height of the clone wars, Anakin Skywalker would most likely have less flight hours per year due to the ships and tactics used (as well as his other duties) than Luke has during his time with the Rebel Alliance.
IT'S UNFAIR
Crafty like his father.
Well, winning's winning; a nice drift maneuver, talk about extreme terrain masking LOL But, that's one deep fakeout ambush from pops, and he's only grounded. I vote Luke.... one farmboy to another✌️😏
As others have said, Vader was likely impressed with his son's piloting skill. However, I would still give Vader the better pilot ranking- he was clearly not trying to kill his son- possibly not even trying to shoot him down so much as force him down. Luke used his environment and performed a decent maneuver, but as we saw from the Trench Run, if Vader was behind him for that length of time (sans meatshields) and had wanted Luke dead, he'd be dead. (Heck, the "under" attack vector clearly had Luke in his sights, so...)
Not that Luke's a bad pilot; just that Vader has a few decades of experience on him.
(Also, if Luke was gonna attack, he really should've went for Proton Torpedoes during a barrage of laser fire; draw focus with the lasers, and the PTs should get close enough their blasts do some serious work.)
That’s my boy. The only pilot who can put pilot me! He still gonna pay for this TIE though. 😎👍🏿
RIP TIE Advanced X1
Vader
You can still be better than someone and get outsmarted like in a 1v1 if u always beat the same person but they find a completely unorthodox method that doesn’t make them better it’s still impressive tho but it most likely won’t work again it’s like dream and his hunters as wel
Don't be silly. Vader wants a "competent" son so they can overturn/kill Palpatine and "...rule the galaxy together as father and son." Dad is still thinking like a Sith.
No!
That's not true!
That's impossible!
While technically it's good to see that they're finally treating Luke closer to his established character. I think they did so incorrectly even here. I mean come on no one's a better pilot then Anakin Skywalker and or Vader.
So while Luke was finally getting some respect. They denigrate Vader. Like just because one has the upper hand doesn't mean they should obliterate the other.
At no point should Luke have been able to encounter the possibility of defeating Vader. Luke at this point would have only ever been able to escape at best. Certainly not destroy. Even if it is true that in that scenario he would not choose to kill Vader.
It's marvel comics writing. Every hero gets the better of the more skilled villain even if it's a small victory with impossible odds. The hallmark of marvel writing.
ORDER 66
SO UNCIVILIZED
Luke did something like this in the old Marvel Star Wars comic book series.
The Falcon was trying to escape from Vader's advanced fighter. Luke hit the the waste tank release with the water tanks too. This frozen in Vader's path.
Vader saw this and stated "Well done, young Skywalker"
and crash into this.
Some tie fighters are submarines now apparently....
I've been waiting for this
Ah, just like his Father.
At first Vader was fully dedicated to destroying Luke to him he was another nat that needed swatting. But once the emperor confirmed this is no doubt the offspring of anakin Skywalker, he changed. Now it was more about okay well let's see how good he really is and tested him but held back at the same time. As Vader expressed to Luke together we can overthrow the emperor and rule as father and son. His intentions were fully to make his son his apprentice and tested him every chance he got but was astonished at the level of control power and technique Luke possessed at the time with little to no training.
THATS MY BOY LUKE GOOD JOB
We all it’s R2 who is the better pilot.
If they where in space luke would of lost to vader
I think vader is the better pilot but at the same the ships during the clones wars were way more manuverable than the ships after ABY were a bit slow and clunky. It may have been the special effects in prequels being better than the orignal trilogy but that just my opinion.
I always thought that the fighters being balls was to give them the ability to move in any direction quickly but they always just flew straight anyway
God, how I wish we can see this in live-action.
Either one of them didn't want to kill the other. It's possible Luke would have been down otherwise before being able to do that trick.
I think Luke the a better pilot cause he just as good at flying as Vader but Luke doenst suffer from Vader hubris, hence fourth he is the better pilot his ego doesn't get in the way
I personally think that they are equally matched. Luke was caught off guard at the beginning however because of his past experiences he was able to adapt quickly. However Luke also temporally disabled Vader, mind you Vader has done that to Luke to. In the end they are equal to each other with the only advantage is experience and even then that doesn’t always cut it.
I'm surprised he didn't say impressive most impressive
Just because he did a drift that suprised vader does not mean he is a better pilot that is like comparing 1 battle won compared to 100 wars lossed
How can this be?!?
Luke just stop Vader for a while, Vader regain his tie short after and is behind Luke again. Publish the rest of the comic. No one can best Vader at flight
The fact that it came out of the water is ridiculous
Marvel antics at its finest!
Luke is the better pilot. I believe all is far when it comes to war and fighting and even with the force nothing would be by accident.
Vader is more skilled but Luke is smarter
Not gonna lie father like son
Neither is better then the other from everything I've seen they both are equally skilled as pilot which one wins when they fight comes down to luck an other factors that you can't predict. But having the skill needed when those openings happen is crucial an they both have that in spades.
I still think Vader is the better pilot
I vote Luke the best
Anyone else catch how they spelled R2 wtf
Vader is the best pilot between him and luke .....vader would school luke in fighting and flying
Whoever has R2
How do these comics not break the continuity of the original films? Wtf happened to Star Wars?
Yeet
i feel like if vader was using a jedi star fighter design over a tie-advanced vader would of won there, as for skill i say its still vader as i personally feel like the strategy luke used was pure luck that he found it
You gotta admit though Vader wants Luke alive so he'll probably give him a handicap, but if he wanted him dead. I bet beyond a shadow of a doubt Vader would prevail.
Not good comparison, because Luke had astromech droid and uses water to freeze in air.
Too many adds….
A major loss indeed
I think that Luke has become a better pilot and I enjoyed this comic
Kinda feels like Luke is turning in too a Mary sue Vader/Anakin has had the clone wars and intill now with experience and Luke?
no it's just that Luke tricked him. Vader is obviously a better pilot but he was outsmarted ONCE. And no, that's not what a Mary Sue means at all; stop throwing it around like you know what it means
@@cucumberwater6 I know what Mary sue means it's from a star treck fan fiction where the main character "Mary sue" is smarter, stronger, faster and is just better then all the other character at everything for no good reason.
@@cucumberwater6 I know what it means it's from a Star treck fanfiction where the main character "Mary sue" is smarter, faster, stronger and just better in everyway compared to the rest of the cast for no good reason.
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