My 11 x Great grandfather Sir Guiscard Harbottle fought in hand to hand combat with King James iv and he was slain by the King ,who perished not long after. RIP all the men who died at Flodden 🙏🙏
This is the first video I have seen of yours. It is excellent. Liked and subbed. I’m from the border area and it’s very interesting to see border families acting on both sides and others taking no sides - stealing supplies. That did make me laugh. If I had lived in those times, I would have been on neither side. I would be with the parts of the families stealing the cattle and Surrey’s beer. 😂
The photo of the monument sums the scots up. Planting their flags on the monument to both nations dead Arrogant twots. They deserved a kicking, back stabbing creeps.
Just to correct a few points. Henry was invading France to support the pope not just because he wanted to revive the war with France. As far as who provoked the Battle of Flodden, well James invaded England not Henry, Scotland.
Yep the jocks were well beaten, but will try to gain some od victory out of it. Always ready with excuses. Hallidon hill, humbleton hill, etc. The ecxcuse book cones out, then Bannock burn gets glorified again. Full of pish, most of them.
24 of my ancestors were killed at Flodden. 23 of them on the Scottish side. The battle devastated Scotland and the lament Flowers O the Forest, played on Remembrance Day was written to commemorate the dead.
@@2msvalkyrie529 i think the English had a spy in the Scottish court...i think his name was Sir George Mainwaring....and he tried to find out if the Scots had any secret weapons...James heard him and shouted " Don't tell him PIKE "......i don't know how true it was.
The militias of the North would have had a fair sprinkling of older men, who well knew how to wield their bills, having served towards the end of the Wars of the Roses. There is no substitute for experience. The older men teach the younger ones as well. The Scots were seduced by the notion that the pike was a battle winner. A disordered pike formation is a gift to experienced soldiers, armed with shorter melee weapons. Maybe if the Scots had retained their traditional spears, this battle could have gone a different way. An excellent account of a, sadly, overlooked battle.
To be fair the pike had won many battles and would win many more. It was the pike not the bill that would be weapon important in the future of European warfare. In this case, it was the ground breaking up the pike units and not the bill that decide the battle. Pikes used on the right ground in the right way WAS a battle winning weapon.
@@rebeccaorman1823 This is all true. It ties in with oft-quoted assertion that Flodden was the last medieval battle and first Rennaissance one. It certainly was the Bill's last hurrah. In the end, it proved that a billman who knew how to handle his bill was superior to a pikemen who was unsure how to handle his weapon.
My point exactly, it was the pike not the bill that was the weapon of the future. I'd say more likely if the ground had been dry the Scots would have won since it was the wet ground that broke up the pike formations and probably caused the failure of the artillery. The balls sinking into the ground as they did at Waterloo. That said the North of England is not really known for its dry ground especially then.
No mention of handguns, ie arquebus which by the evidence of small shot found on the field of Flodden were present and in some accounts they are mentioned and there is no reason not to believe that, at least amongst the English.
@@vandpubsell Yeah that's what I thought but Neil Oliver found arquebus shot at Flodden field on one of his 2 men in a Trench TV programs. Handgonnes had been around since the 14th century and arquebus were common in European armies at the time of Flodden. It's a bit odd the Scots didn't have them (If they didn't) because James IV was such a fan of new Renaissance military hardware.
@@robertwrightson6455 I remember that episode! But I dont recall the finding of arquebus shot - it must have skimmed across my mind! I would have thought the Scots were even more likely to have "handgonnes" than the English, as they were generally better equipped. They certainly had more armour.
Yeah you can still see that episode on UA-cam, it's very good, they were the first to do any serious archeology there. They also found a 2lb lead English cannon ball.
It gets worse. On the Scottish side of the borderlands they still talk about Flodden as "England's treachery". I mean...what? They invaded US, not the other way round!
The Spanish ambassador to Scotland said of James wrt England "He has seen the ears of the wolf, but not its jaws". At Flodden he met those jaws.
Interesting quote!
My 11 x Great grandfather Sir Guiscard Harbottle fought in hand to hand combat with King James iv and he was slain by the King ,who perished not long after. RIP all the men who died at Flodden 🙏🙏
RIP indeed. Thank you for sharing your story
Are you American by any chance?
How did you come by such intricate details?
I am Northumbrian as was my. Ancestor.
This is the first video I have seen of yours. It is excellent. Liked and subbed.
I’m from the border area and it’s very interesting to see border families acting on both sides and others taking no sides - stealing supplies.
That did make me laugh.
If I had lived in those times, I would have been on neither side. I would be with the parts of the families stealing the cattle and Surrey’s beer. 😂
Thank you, I appreciate your kind comments.
And as an American,( I enjoy the witty banter between English,& Scots comments!) Again,Some Real Zingers!!👌
Excellent video. Really enjoyed it. Brilliant work.
Thank you. I'm so glad you found it enjoyable.
To The Brave Of Both Nations and a King who lead from the front 🏴 🏴
Amen to that.
I bet the bastard had to be digged out of its protection squad 😕
The photo of the monument sums the scots up.
Planting their flags on the monument to both nations dead
Arrogant twots. They deserved a kicking, back stabbing creeps.
i wish they had the bottle to vote for independence...
What an informative video - thank you very much.
Thank you for your kind comments. I'm glad you found it interesting.
My ancestors fought and died in this battle, Then called Mure ( it changed to Muir ). I have been and paid my respects to all those who died here.
As far as I know, none of my ancestors fought at Flodden, but I have been to the battlefield and its an eerie experience.
Just to correct a few points. Henry was invading France to support the pope not just because he wanted to revive the war with France. As far as who provoked the Battle of Flodden, well James invaded England not Henry, Scotland.
Oh Scotland has no excuses for this defeat at all. They were the aggressors. Im sorry if I didnt make that clear.
Yep the jocks were well beaten, but will try to gain some od victory out of it. Always ready with excuses. Hallidon hill, humbleton hill, etc. The ecxcuse book cones out, then Bannock burn gets glorified again. Full of pish, most of them.
@@jimboll6982least Scotland still has a future. You lot are overrun by asylum seekers. Good riddance 😂
Exceptionally great video old chum
Glad you enjoyed it!
24 of my ancestors were killed at Flodden. 23 of them on the Scottish side. The battle devastated Scotland and the lament Flowers O the Forest, played on Remembrance Day was written to commemorate the dead.
Great video . Felt the written bits at the end were too fleeting for my ability to read in one go . I'm not that fast a reader !
Understood. Thanks for the feedback, ill bear that in mind for future projects! Glad you enjoyed the video otherwise!
There is a memorial window to this battle in St Leonards Church, Middleton , Greater Manchester. The Middleton Archers fought in this battle
I did not know that. Thank you for sharing!
As my Beloved GrandFather taught me: Best-Afield!!
Many of my direct ancestors died on that battle field
No doubt. It was over five hundred years ago, so pretty much every Briton alive today had direct ancestors who died in it.
@@vandpubsell lol
Yeah all mine survived 😁
My Grandfather died at Waterloo..
Platform 9 I think ?
@@2msvalkyrie529 i think the English had a spy in the Scottish court...i think his name was Sir George Mainwaring....and he tried to find out if the Scots had any secret weapons...James heard him and shouted " Don't tell him PIKE "......i don't know how true it was.
Wrapping up the Middle Ages with a bang.
Well, quite.
Last victory of Longbow!
Get the date right first, 9th September 1513
OOPS....my bad. Will alter immediately.
My new nome de guerre, "Marmaduke Constable."
Its one heck of a name isn't it? :)
What about : Croix Rouge Poursuivant ? !? Difficult to top
that !
@@2msvalkyrie529 That is a title not a name, one was present at the recent coronation.
Twas a sad day for Scotland and for clan Muirhead.
why ???
The militias of the North would have had a fair sprinkling of older men, who well knew how to wield their bills, having served towards the end of the Wars of the Roses. There is no substitute for experience. The older men teach the younger ones as well. The Scots were seduced by the notion that the pike was a battle winner. A disordered pike formation is a gift to experienced soldiers, armed with shorter melee weapons. Maybe if the Scots had retained their traditional spears, this battle could have gone a different way. An excellent account of a, sadly, overlooked battle.
Very good point re the experience of the older militiamen. Thank you for your kind comments.
To be fair the pike had won many battles and would win many more. It was the pike not the bill that would be weapon important in the future of European warfare. In this case, it was the ground breaking up the pike units and not the bill that decide the battle. Pikes used on the right ground in the right way WAS a battle winning weapon.
@@rebeccaorman1823 This is all true. It ties in with oft-quoted assertion that Flodden was the last medieval battle and first Rennaissance one. It certainly was the Bill's last hurrah. In the end, it proved that a billman who knew how to handle his bill was superior to a pikemen who was unsure how to handle his weapon.
My point exactly, it was the pike not the bill that was the weapon of the future. I'd say more likely if the ground had been dry the Scots would have won since it was the wet ground that broke up the pike formations and probably caused the failure of the artillery. The balls sinking into the ground as they did at Waterloo. That said the North of England is not really known for its dry ground especially then.
@@rebeccaorman1823 the Scots downfall was the were holding the pikes the wrong way around.....idiots
No mention of handguns, ie arquebus which by the evidence of small shot found on the field of Flodden were present and in some accounts they are mentioned and there is no reason not to believe that, at least amongst the English.
I've not heard of arquebus being used, but I suppose it is possible. There were essentially hand to hand weapons at this stage of history though.
@@vandpubsell Yeah that's what I thought but Neil Oliver found arquebus shot at Flodden field on one of his 2 men in a Trench TV programs. Handgonnes had been around since the 14th century and arquebus were common in European armies at the time of Flodden. It's a bit odd the Scots didn't have them (If they didn't) because James IV was such a fan of new Renaissance military hardware.
@@robertwrightson6455 I remember that episode! But I dont recall the finding of arquebus shot - it must have skimmed across my mind! I would have thought the Scots were even more likely to have "handgonnes" than the English, as they were generally better equipped. They certainly had more armour.
Yeah you can still see that episode on UA-cam, it's very good, they were the first to do any serious archeology there. They also found a 2lb lead English cannon ball.
Billhooks v Pikes. No contests
People who knew how to USE billhooks against people who DIDN'T know how to use pikes...yes...that was no contest.
@@vandpubsell Could you check out Major Tommy Macpherson Special Forces WW2. Known as the 'Kilted Killer'
@@PortmanRd I have actually heard of this gentleman. He was quite a character!
@@vandpubsell Apparently the Nazi's put a 3000,000 front bounty on his head.
@@PortmanRd Really? They really didnt like him then!
Things didn't go so well for some of the English army a year later....
The Coup de gras was waiting at Culloden.
@@PortmanRd what?
@@johnrobertson9875
Why what happened a year later 😁
Nowt
@@jimboll6982 Hornshole.
Invade France? "Obviously."
It was a national pastime for centuries !
@@vandpubsell Knocking ten bales of crap out of each other was the Medieval way.
@@PortmanRd True enough...
I lost many ancestors in this battle according to my ancestry research
That would not surprise me in the slightest.
" Gentlemen in England now abed....etc...
Well, quite.
WTF.....This is England so fly your rags in scotland..
It gets worse. On the Scottish side of the borderlands they still talk about Flodden as "England's treachery". I mean...what? They invaded US, not the other way round!
And how many times did england evade Scotland?
So I think we are even on that account.
@@vandpubsellTOUCHE!! ( From an American!👍👍
@@the-kilted-trucker59 And that makes them right to say that in what way?
we just bought Scotland in 1707.......and we've got the receipt
Another Zinger?!🤔
Another Zinger?!🤔