THE THING (1982) About the frozen specimen ...
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- The rarely discussed frozen specimen is worht a closer look in John Carpenter's The Thing.
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It's a credit to the greatness of the script and production that 42 years later we're still all thinking about it, analyzing it, and asking hypotheticals about it. What a wonderful, awesome movie.
Man I love that every scene of this film is still being dissected and discussed more than forty years later. A real testament to its greatness.
Ive always thought that this is the best movie monster ever. It doesn't lose its mystery when its revealed and we never find out fully how powerful or intelligent this creature is. Plus its a threat to mankind not just the people trapped with it.
Yes, agreed. It is by far the most "scientifically-reasonable" creature that is also taken as far afield creatively than any other sci-fi foe ever, in both film and print. Ever.
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UA-cam hiding this from me for 7 hours, whilst filling my feed with utter crap. I've ruined my algorithm!
The Thing 1982 is still one of the best sci fi horror survival movies...
Yup, and The Thing 2011 sucks a$$.
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Indeed.
The idea that the frozen Thing is still alive, and might wake up, is right out of AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS. In Lovecraft's story, Dr. Lake dissected the impossibly ancient frozen nonhuman "corpses" he had unearthed; but they weren't dead at all, and shortly afterward the rest of the "primordial ones' woke up and wiped out his entire expedition. (Although not via assimilation, in fact these creatures possibly did it in revenge, for the dissection of one of their own. The Thing, in Carpenter's movie, seems more like a "shoggoth" than one of the strangely civilized "Primordial Ones".)
Didn’t one of the creatures dissect Dr. Lake as well?
I’ve always thought of The Thing being a Shoggoth as well.
@@wcw2793 So they did; and even in the context of the story, they might not have done it out of revenge, but more out of scientific curiosity.
Rob, your Thing videos are the perfect balance between insightful and entertaining. Thanks for this series, teaches me new things about one of my all-time favourite films.
Wow, I just watched it last night. Excellent video and timing.
I always enjoy your commentaries, Rob, thank you!
Rob Bottin was an absolute genius. Only in his early 20's too.
He's only in his 20s? Just imagine how young he was in 1982!
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The original black and white version, i remembered a scientist in it actually being all about not wanting to harm the creature because it was such a huge find scientifically
Funny when he tries to talk to it and it just whacks him in the face.
Actually in the 1982 version, Bennings disagrees with Window’s suggestion to burn the remains, based on the same principle. He felt that it was too important of a discovery to destroy.
“We ought ta just burn these things.”
- Windows -
“Can’t burn the find of the century…..
That’s gonna win somebody the Nobel prize.”
-Bennings -
@@collativelearning yeah but that hand bursting through the door is still scary 70+ years later. But some of that movie is now funny unintentionally. The rest is just pure Fun. Love that movie, it's like comfort food. House on Haunted Hill (a much inferior movie) and the Vincent Price House of Wax (quite a good one) also serve a similar purpose.
It took me a couple of seconds, before realizing that you meant the 1951 version. I first thought was John Carpenter's The Thing originally supposed to be in black and white? But I think I have to watch it in black and white sometime (just mess around with the settings on the TV, and then you're good). I think watching horror movies in black and white really adds to the mood (I'm talking about horror movies that has color ofc). Movies like The Terminator (1984) and Blade Runner (1982) probably looks and feels awesome in black and white as well.
@@CarlFredrik-uo1cu yeah the old one where they fight it with batteries or something….i saw it a long time ago lol
I just noticed while watching this clip that most people fixate on whether Blair put the pen in his mouth after touching the body with it, but when they take the tarp off the monster, it's clearly covered in bloody goo and all people holding it didn't have gloves on. You can even see it on Blair's right hand after it's uncovered. Copper also has blood all over his arms and I can't tell if Blair reaches all the way in past his gloves to the body cavity when retrieving the organs. Way more opportunities for infection before the pen.
Yeah you can see Blair wipe his hand on the tarp a bit in that shot too. I don't think these are indications these men were infected in that way, but they add to the disease paranoia element. We never get to find out just how big a thing specimen has to be to assimilate someone.
👍 and the pen doesn't actually touch the remains. (watch the pen shadow... and watch it good 😏).
I always thought of the pencil lip touch as being a clue from John Carpenter that Blair might be the victim of a slow infection from The Thing. Certainly not conclusive but it's fun to speculate. 😊
According to the science fiction horror film "The Thing," when you are "assembled" by the Thing, meaning it has absorbed and imitated your form, you are considered "gone" as your original identity is completely erased and replaced by the Thing's imitation; you no longer exist as yourself, only as a part of the creature.
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The novelization by Alan Dean Foster says the same, the 'you' part of your brain is just switched off eradicating your persona.
This ends up a good argument that sometimes a film adaption can be superior to a novelization/source material, because not knowing is clearly far, far superior to this "information", which is (at least in terms of what's more frightening to imagine) a step down and better left unknown.
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I often explain to friends and family why this is the best horror film ever made. Whilst Aliens is one of my favourites too, this one edges it out in more departments; the isolation appears in both films (space and the snowy wastes) but when you look at the size of the Nostromo you realise that it's massive, thereby potentially providing plenty of space for the alien to hide even if the film only covers a fraction of it. Also when looking at the human element, The Thing beats Alien even if one of the most famous Alien tag lines was "nobody can hear you scream" - the alien in Alien was obviously an alien but in The Thing it could have been anyone.
Lastly The Thing makes you think about the possibilities which I feel it does better than Alien. "Who sabotaged the blood bank? Let's try and rewind and trace everyone's steps" etc etc.
I'd appreciate a video comparing these two great horror films one day Rob. Thanks again for the videos.
It's a close call between the two, but i think I agree Thing is slightly superior. The Thjing creature is more dangerous and unpredictable, but alien becomes a bit less interesting in the final act. We already know the beast quite well by then.
Thank you Sir for continuing to dissect this classic!
You're the GOAT for film analysis.
Another detail I noticed at 7:14 when Blaire is dissecting the monster notice how Copper is working on the Human in this scene aswell I think this a subtle nod to Copper being human and Blaire being a thing later, one more thing is that Fuchs is on the outside of the table with Blaire on the inside with the monster between them this might also be foreshadowing of Fuchs death later on if this was intentional that is an amazing detail
This amazing movie is in my top ten favorites of all time! I rewatch it a few times each year. I love your videos on this movie (and many more) due to the depths you go to for analysis. You bring up things I've missed or add another perspective. Plus, I love your voice! I was thrilled to start watching your Shining videos, made me love that movie so much more! I appreciate your hard and thorough work!
Always love a Thing video. Thanks Rob.
A new The Thing video by Rob Ager in the lead up to Halloween? You’ve just made my day
Robert Picardo who played The Doctor Hologram on ST:VOY and that serial killer in The Howling was the model for the Splitfaced Thing. He and Rob Bottin are best friends going back years and years,
Picardo was “Eddie “ in the Howling. Can’t remember if Bottin did the effects but I suspect he was.
That would also explain why Picardo played Meg, that goblin creature from Legend who wanted to eat Tom Cruise. Bottin did the makeup effects for the movie. And Johnny Cab from Total Recall...Bottin also did the makeup effects. It all makes sense.
You are a MASTER craftsman. Thank you 🙏
I haven’t even watched the video yet, but I wanted to thank you, Mr. Ager, for providing so much content for free on UA-cam. I’d love to download your entire collection, but sadly, my financial duties preclude it.
No matter how many times I watch this film, it never ceases to absolutely terrify. It is, by far, thee greatest horror film, sci-fi or otherwise...EVER! Even that iconic movie poster seems to exudes terror. It's my FAVORITE movie poster and a veeery close second is Saving Private Ryan's poster where there's a lone G.I. standing with his M-1 Garand and the faces of Capt. Miller and the other Rangers above...AWESOME! Ya' know, much is made about the "paranoia" amongst the characters in The Thing, but the thought of that creature violently assimilating human beings like that is utterly horrifying...like being eaten alive by a tiger shark or a grizzly bear. It's kinda peculiar that this isn't discussed more. And lastly, shoutout to the legendary composer, Ennio Morricone. My favorite film score composer creates a simple, yet extreeemely effective piece that evokes dread. The Thing(1982) is an absolute masterpiece, even from the start with the title sequence! One can NEVER say enough about this film. Simply put, it's perfect.
Damn Rob you're plugging plot holes I never even knew existed ....another great Ager video
“How come you guys don’t freeze him (again)??!?!!???
Is what Parker would say if he wasn’t dead and from another movie.
Yep! 😂😂😂
Yeah, I'm buying the full version of this ASAP.
Excellent video. This is one of my favorite movies because of its deceptive complexity.
Something that some people don't think about with the film, is how if it had found a bird it would be the end of the population of earth, and it would not necessarily have to waste time being a human, any small creature even spores or fungus that could allow it to be breather in would totally assimilate all life very quickly. Interesting movie.
Thank you for continuing to make videos on The Thing, it is my favorite horror film of all time! And I've seen your videos on a script of a possible thing sequel you would want to contribute to making, I really hope you get this chance some day, I think your sequel ideas would make an amazing Thing sequel, please don't give up on this idea of yours you have my vote 100% and I will be first in line to get a movie ticket!
Perfect in depth analysis of this iconic masterpiece of an alien body horror movie
This is what infected Blair, some blood got on his forearms and slowly infected him over the movie lending to his descent into madness
... perhaps.
Maybe even likely.
But "definitely not definitely".
The frozen specimen didn't react on the table because.. well it was frozen stiff. It's only when it thawed out and reached room temperature that it or a part of it attacked Bennings.
He simply wondered if it was conscious when it was frozen. The "didn't react" discussion was about when it was being cut into during the autopsy and obviously not frozen stiff.
This video maybe called it a "beast" toward the end only to avoid too much repetition when naming the creature, but that triggered a couple common-expression associations for me: "different Beast entirely" and "a whole other Thing". Those fit the overall progression of horror/discovery in the movie -- early encounters associated with familiar animals (dogs are supposed to be man's trusted companions), expectation of human ability to conquer nature/beasts via superior intelligence, realizing the entity is unlike anything else and undermines knowledge and trust structures that were historically key to human survival and dominance.
That was the mystery of this creature. Why did it not infect multiple people and create an army of itself? When it attacked the dogs, it seemed to be consuming them by absorption, rather than infecting them and becoming multiple dogs. Also, it crashed in one craft, presumably as a single being. One of the reasons this movie is so awesome as a horror film is, the creatures motivations are so, dare I say, Alien, that they seem illogical. If you don't understand what a hostile force wants, it makes it much more difficult to come up with an effective defense against it.
Maybe since it can't control or be in the same page as other things it's more of a problem rather than a solution.
That two-faced creature is like the space jockey in Alien. The characters in both are completely stunned and don't know what they're looking at. But with The Thing, it's actually the focus of the movie.
It is amazing that they are all engaging this creature remains without gloves initially or masks, or even protective wear of any kind.
Adaptations are always interesting. "Who Goes There?" was the "original" story (there is another version available on UA-cam, check it out), and the FIRST B&W movie, while one of my favorite childhood movies, doesn't come close to the creepiness of the Carpenter masterpiece. It's not a remake. The 1984 entry is a total reimagining, while the prequel has nothing original to contribute (almost a textbook example of non-creativity).
I would add. “Event Horizon,” to your list of effective gore in movies. It’s a damn shame all the other, more intense, gore scenes were destroyed.
Big time. Whoever lost those negatives is an a**hole lol. I honestly don't know what the actual story is but its a shame they're lost forever.
It’s not as interesting as The Thing, but it does have one of the best line deliveries in all of cinema: “We’re leaving.”
@@themidnightchoir It's not in The Thing's stratosphere, but it is very good For gore, I should have also added, The Fly.
Great analysis Rob!
Always exciting to see you post
In the 2011 film, they completely redesigned this creature. They make it a lot bigger and more insect-like. Plus, it’s made up of two people and not one. I think it’s a cool design, but it doesn’t seem consistent between the two films.
I thought it was a lot less creepy in the new film
0:50 I always believed that Thingified people were still alive. If the Thing replaced each of your braincells with a functionally idental Thing-braincell one at a time, how would you know? We're already not in control of the cells replicating and replacing in our bodies, the Thing just has some extra malevolence in its code.
Interesting analysis of the dissection scene! I remember it raising more questions than not, is the thing still alive? What happened to it that it got frozen? Who got assimilated? We know that most of the team that first thawed it out were killed, one committed suicide, and the dog was infected. We also know that the team put up a fight based on the remnants of the base.
And you’re right that sometimes realism takes a necessary back seat to a damn good story. No movie is perfect, so yeah the movie needs to emphasize the paranoia of contamination, to get us interested in the frozen body and to raise the stakes. I mean had the crew actually done what you said, act like real life scientists, which is to isolate the specimen, await further decontamination/hazardous equipment, and to leave it alone, possibly they might have survived. But we only have a limited time to tell the story so, no. Plus you’re talking about a story in which an alien creature assimilates living beings with the goal of conquering the planet. I mean it’s kinda silly.
But I guess you could argue that the film does a good job to show that our protagonists are flawed and make bad decisions, are prone to not realizing the severity of the situation, and are not trained to deal with the Thing. The team is made up of technicians and scientists not soldiers. Plus their curiosity gets the better of them multiple times like when some of our protagonists check up alone on a suspicious activity. I mean as your video showed, windows is…sleeping by the radio. This is highlights just how much our team is doomed because you’d think that the all members would be worried at the violence they just witnessed when they arrived and that they have found a unknown creature in a burnt out base after coming into contact with the thing. Yet windows is ASLEEP at the radio. He easily could have been picked off, or have missed out a response from the mainland.
Shouldnt have had breakfast while watching this, great quality video as always Mr. Ager.
One takes but a single glance at the two-headed thingamy, and says to oneself “He just ain’t right!”
Rob Bottin is a genius
I like the swallow and the sharp inhale.
The Thing is a Shoggoth...
This is correct 👍
Similar, but there’s no mention in Lovecraft’s work of a shoggoth needing to absorb something to assume it’s shape… they could simply do that on their own by force of will
The fused faces are like theater masks, comedy and tragedy. It represents the terrifying loss of identity, individuality, and humanity.
"Droopy Eye", for some reason I couldn't stop laughing at that.
The scene of a researcher saying everyone should pack their own lunches and not share anything kind of makes me wonder. If everyone in the room smelled that nasty alien than everyone is technically exposed to being assimilated than.
There wouldn't be cells floating around in the air.
Starting the video with you swallowing in an interesting, and powerful choice.
1982 Thing is awesome. Prove me wrong.
Awesome Vid!
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It's creepy that this keeps happening to me, I was watching analysis vids of "the thing" this morning and then you drop this lol
Even the steam that is emitted seems contaminated.
Regarding the agony, there is the only on-screen assimilation, which is Gary, and it doesn’t look like he is having a good time. However, it appears he is soon unconscious or plain dead shortly thereafter as he is dragged along.
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My interpretation of this is that this creature did lose most of its ability to perceive pain in its body when it was previously burned by the Norwegians, because the body part has already necrotized, and the new part has not recovered well or this creature consciously suppresses the recovery of the body to hide itself in front of the protagonists, so this makes its perception of pain during the operation on it by the protagonists to a very low level
It wouldn't feel pain when being sliced open as it's just trillions of independent thing cells connected - it only feels pain when those individual cells are destroyed with fire or heat
Funny enough, the only reason the actors are covering their noses and mouths in that scene is because what they sprayed the prop with was noxious and toxic. Their hacking cough reactions were legit.
Also, almost none of the gore is in Bill Lancastor's script (which I read last weekend). Most of it was conceived and added by Botin during production. The dog assimilation scene is entirely in the dark and almost all off screen.
Hey Rob,
I was wondering if you've given the novelization of The Thing by Alan Dean Foster a shot? I found it an incredible companion piece with some changed scenes and some added context for events in the movie (such as what exactly happened during the lights out that lead to Fuchs' death.)
That was a great 10 mins!
very good
Gore and slime are to SFX ( and to the thing) as what smoke and rain is to backlots (and to Bladerunner)
The prequel annoyed me (in many ways) in the fact that they tried to force the fact that this creature was a combination of two humans. Bottin said when he created it that it was one human.
Its a good day!
It is a neat speculation, but I kinda doubt that the thing could actually hear them speaking, or was even conscious beyond something similar to humans when in a coma. We know it was alive, but I personally get the impression that it's consciousness didn't "resume" until it was oozing off the table with Bennings.
I also don't personally believe it "feels pain" when simply cut. Since the creature can simply opt to separate itself wide open by choice, I don't think it feels any actual pain short of being burned thermally or chemically, which is killing large portions of it instantly.
Of course, it's just my impression.
My curiosity has to do with Blair and Doc Copper from this scene and the next regarding the autopsies.
The nature of THE THING story, (as told in the 2000s) is suited to CGI I think,
it was right to use it, as it allowed even more...body warping, metamorphasis, with out the limitations of practical sfx also they DID use a mix of cgi & practical.
the same could be said of any remake of THE BLOB that might happen.
|I do agree about the prequel copping out on the blood gore, instead it looked like...strawberry bubble gum (probably to avoid an 18 certificate)
I don't suppose youve seen either GHOST STORY...1980 or - SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES, both very atmospheric, with plenty of story layers
An incredible creation that most missed the first time around. A timeless period piece, wisely dated in the introduction.
LOL, I never noticed that Doc was sort of Blair's boss
So I'm about to buy the full version. After the card details, it says 'add a tip'.
I don't see the option to write "answer your emails you ponce" :D
The tips thing is put in by Gumroad not me. And emails to me don't go to Gumroad. What have you emailed to me? If it was very longwinded you're unlikely to get an answer as my time is limited.
@@collativelearning Yeah I worked that out, they gotta make money too innit. I was referring to a couple of emails I sent you with regards to The Thing - it was well over a year ago now so no doubt they just never caught your eye at the time.
When you announced you had a new Thing video in the works I commented that I have a fair amount of The Thing work of my own that is mostly never mentioned, Reddit for example ended up pissing me off because the majority of people there are stuck in the 'molotov whiskey' / 'nothing escapes through the ceiling in the dog scene' / 'what about the spacecraft it built' BS - basically a bunch of bellends.
So I bought the full version, gonna watch it in a bit. I was going to send you an email with all of my 'research' and findings that you might find some worth in. Not interested in being credited for it, but if any of it sparks any future videos you make on The Thing then thats just as good to me, and your subscribers.
Cheers kidder.
@@louithrottler Not Rob Ager but it does piss me off when I see people proclaim that Childs drinking the bottle at the end is proof of him being a Thing. If Childs was properly paranoid to not drink from a bottle even when he's about to die, then the Thing would have imitated that paranoia. On the other hand, if he were a Thing, the Thing wouldn't just drop it's act to drink beer (or gasoline as they theorize). So we CANNOT infer anything about Childs based on his drinking from the bottle.
But even moreso, having a definite "cincher" like the molotov theory or the "twinkling eye" theory just defeats the purpose of John Carpenter's intentionally ambiguous ending. We aren't supposed to know definitively.
@@KanonHara Yeah there are a few considerations to bear in mind that most people don't consider about the ending. Bill Lancaster's ending for example states that Childs is in really bad shape - his feet are completely frost bitten, his toes likely black and falling off... but that's not something he could check or would check. Suffice to say that he will likely be dead as will Mac within a couple of hours.
If either men were The Thing, it would make sense that it would find a quiet place and trigger it's hibernation ability and go to sleep/freeze.
Neither Mac or Childs are the Thing.
The scream you hear The Thing make when the dynamite explodes at the end of the film was deliberately put in at the final editing stage because the film studio felt like the audiences needed to know that Mac had defeated it. The explosion alone, they felt, wasn't enough.
This is in a page online written by one of the people involved in the films production. It includes a lot of interesting details not found in any other articles. I'll have a look for it tonight, and I'll send you the link to it later
Im a simple man. I see a new upload from Rob, I click
I choose to believe this is the thing going ape-sht after being burned and eventually freezing. I HATE the prequel that shows it as two guys melding together. This is one face that is morphing/melting into two halves.
Agreed
Are you suggesting this is some sort of internal, primitive defense mechanism like the T-1000 short circuiting so to speak into past copies of others when it was being boiled?
@@seventhseventhnineteen2215 that never entered my mind but it is an interesting analogy.
Perfect timing. I just rewatched The Thing the other night. Curious if you've ever seen Coherence, Rob? Not sure if you enjoy movies with the whole time travel shtick (e.g., Primer, Timecrimes) but this one was especially unsettling.
Never made the connection of the different expressions on the two faces of the thing. One of the being assimilated human in agony and the other of the assimilating alien grinning (sort of) is a very plausible explanation.
Well, there goes the sleep I was about to do.
btw, have you heard about New Alien Isolation Game in production ?
Can anyone tell me if Rob does dvd sales on request? his website says he switched to digital downloads to save on overheads. But I've always preferred the physical copy. I would appreciate it if anyone has bought his material this way recently and could let me know 👍
A far away Outpost, The Thing and grabbing a coffee like CL ordered. 1 hour long coffee, Ah, copy of course. Now i get it.. A copy. not coffee, like the Thing can copy.
Always wondered why they stood so close.
this may be a dumb question, but are you the running manz? the thing is a wonderful remake. one of carpenters best films
I believe I read somewhere the Thing keeps the memories of its victims. That’s why it never assimilated McGrady, it hated him so much it didn’t want any part of him.
pure fanwank.
same on the immortals quickening of highlander receiving of all the power and knowledge from the energy released by the death of an immortal and absorbed by the immortal responsible of the beheading
Former NBA star Tracy McGrady? 🤷♂️
The design of the cgi version while still alive under the shed has fringes that are the most accurate rendition of a freshwater proboscidean leech’s body I have seen in media. The combination of segmented arthropodal limbs and a central, annelid based body is really cool. The original prop is from a better movie but John Carpenter and his team weren’t too specifically interested in entomology or anything- so the horrible remake has that going for it!
I thought that was a poor scene in the new movie personally. They also got the frozen thing specimen completely wrong. It wasn't two men melded together, it was one man splitting apart. Film was just ok. Might have been elevated a bit if they'd used the original practical effects designed instead of replacing with CGI. But that wouldn't elevate the lacklustre script.
3:40 ice box? 😂 you mean outside
Haha, no. Storing it for later transference to a proper lab.
7:43 between the hand and the right side of the face, you can make out a 3rd face
Hey, any thoughts on Megalopolis?
Best horror film.
thats what is about the thing movie....transformation and flame-thrower...again and again .
and the flame thrower stops working a few time so we can watch the prety monster...
Hi Rob, how come some videos on your website only have the option for credit card and not for PayPal, for example the HR Giger videos with PayPal but Hellraiser only with credit card. Can you enable PayPal as a payment option on your other videos as well?
Thoughts on The Substance?
I figured the 2-faced Thing was a single Thing splitting in 2, not someone being assimilated.
I always thought that it was splitting in two as well.
Directed by John Carpenter. Say no more.
Can you make some more Poltergeist retrospective videos?
Wasn't planning on it. there's a very long video on Poltergeist available on my site. It goes into everything.
Do you plan on going in-depth on Prisoners - The Denis Villeneuve film? There is a ton of symbolism within the film, mostly to do with Christianity - but I'm sure there is a deeper message - one that I can't seem to find.
I watched it once and it was decent. Wasn't overly impressed though - a bit torcher pornish (sic).
I don´t find it very likely that the thing was conscious during the autopsy; remember its reaction when Copper tried to apply electroshocks to Norris.
We don't know if it was reacting to the electric shocks or just saw an opportunity to kill the last remaing scientist, the doc.
@@collativelearning it was likely re-shifting itself inside Norris while they were dragging him to the table and trying CPR on him.
It abandoned the exterior body of Norris and the cells re-organized them into the jaws inside.
Alien Isolation 2 in development Rob
So I heard! Same director too.
Hey everyone! I know this comment isn’t related to the video, and I apologize for that. I’m trying to track down an educational video by Rob Ager that I saw a while back. He discussed how to interact with your boss and work ethic. I can’t seem to find it anymore-was it taken down? If any of you have seen it or have a link, I’d really appreciate your help. Thanks!
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