80% Stiffer Clutch Springs install on a Honda Grom (msx125)
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- Опубліковано 13 лис 2020
- This helped tremendously!!!! I cannot explain how much of a difference these springs made. They also sell a whole new clutch piece with the 6 holes already drilled out but you know I try to be cheap wherever possible lol. Links to all the products are down below. Don't forget to hit the LIKE & subscribe because this is only the first in many Grom Build videos to come!!
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Just got my strait up pumps pressure plate today. Ready to do the exact same thing to my grom. Good job!
About two days after I did this install I bought the oil pump and some new clutch rings LOL should have just done it all at once but hindsight is 2020 as they say. But I got two more videos coming up! Thanks!
Awesome!
👊🏻You’re always one of the first to watch in common man, I just wanted to say that I really do appreciate it and thank you very much!
@@RidinDad awww shucks!! 😳. It's a good channel man and I'm actually surprised you don't have more followers yet. Keep those vids coming!
You and me both lol! Thank you. I really do appreciate it.
TY for video, I have a 2000 Suzuki Intruder 1400, I hear that the clutch springs in this bike are a bit weak naturally, this bike has a ton of torque, by adding some aftermarket springs what does it actually feel like? does it give you the allusion of more power and speed?
It really depends. You’ll always feel Stiffer springs up at the clutch lever that’s for sure. If your clutch was slipping at any point before, then you’ll feel the increased lock up and more consistent power delivery. If your bike wasn’t slipping at all or just barely slipping, you probably won’t feel any more power delivery and definitely no more top speed/ hp.
My klx250 shifts rough from neutral to 1st gear, sometimes it makes a grinding gear noise + it can be felt vibrating in the gear shifter. Can it be caused by a weak (not stiff enough) clutch springs? Thanks
Hard to diagnose online obviously without me being there and hearing it or actually feeling it. But I don’t think it sounds like a clutch problem. You can shift without the clutch as long as you’re in a normal rev amount and it would not be hard or grinding at all. So more than clutch. It sounds like it’s a transmission problem in my opinion.
The previous owner of my og put 3 hayabusa in with the 3 60% springs. Does pull nice but dose it befit anything?
Yeah I know a few people that go this route. I don’t think it’ll hurt anything. The main reason that people used to do that was before a ton of companies got into making accessories for the bike there used to be limited options and that was a easy fix for it. I would leave it if you’re good but there are definitely better options like the 6 spring kit and others
Do you have a link for the screws to hold plate down?
I do not. I believe in the video I stated which dimensions the screws were & I just purchased them from my local hardware store. They're a pretty common size. Most hardware stores should carry them.
can u change the clutch springs and plate without taking off the spinner
I don’t have this bike anymore and I honestly can’t remember
When do the 18" apes go on?
Lol most definitely never 😂
Ok I'm new to riding. What do the spring do
The springs are what keeps the clutch pressed together.
Hey man I’m sure I’m having the same issue. I just did the springs on mine and I have no idea how anything could have come out of alignment. When you made the mistake the first do was the clutch locked together so basically it wouldn’t engage and it was basically stuck in gear or was it like it was stuck in nuetral?
Basically stuck in gear. It’s so small it’s hard to tell. Just take it all apart and be extra tedious with it. You’re probably the 12th person to have the issue too and every time it’s the same thing so don’t worry about it. It’ll work! It’s just annoying lol
@@RidinDad thanks for the quick reply. You’re awesome. And yeah I’m assuming the basket got
Cocked and the tension is jamming the plates together somewhere. Hopefully the socket tool shows up today. I got 80% springs did you feel these were ok on the stock setup ?
Yeah absolutely. Even with 80% the clutch pull is not unmanageable. You’ll be fine!
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Hi, does it work if i put one washer under every clutch spring to make them stiffer. Because i got rieju marathon 125 with 183cc malossi cylinder and my clutch begun to slip immediately. i havent found any stiffer clutch springs. Rieju marathon has same engine as yamaha wr 125 and the clutch ha 4 springs
I would strongly advise against it. Adding a washer to the spring does not increase the springs stiffness, rather it decreases the springs amount of available travel. Yes, initially it will feel stiffer but you will also lose travel which will decrease the ability for the clutch to fully engage and disengage.
@@RidinDad oh okay. i just thought that it would work because now i just have to pull like 1/4 of the clutch in to make it fully work. maybe i just gotta find those springs 😅
Yeah I get what you’re saying. 1/4 works but it’s not fully engaged. Just enough slipping to allow to switch gears if that makes sense
What was you’re issue. Just did mine and it’s engaged looks like I’ll be taking it off again lol..
Lol, yeah. Probably had the same issue. It’s incredibly common dude. It’s the clutch basket. It’s such a tiny space but the basket isn’t seated all the way together in itself.
@@RidinDad just finish taking it apart and found the washer wasn’t in place at the bottom of the basket. Clutch feels better and not as stiff..
@@Ganstergrom Awesome, glad you got it figured out!
Ya this guys a legend with tighten bolts 😆.
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Take a look at ATD, CDI, or precision torque wrenches, CDI is owned by snap on and Precision makes the split beam for snap on. I’ve used my CDI’s daily for 8 years and check calibration monthly, I have never snapped a bolt while torquing something down, or left anything loose. HOWEVER, if you take metal fatigue into account and it’s a high stress part or is something like a lug stud that it torqued all the time eventually the bolt will snap, and this is why I will actually use new hardware on timing components or obviously internal engine parts unless it’s a low mile/ newer engine. I also believe manufacturers should definitely do a better job of telling you not to reuse hardware.
Yeah I don’t reuse bolts in specific places. The bolts Ive snapped before were brand new bolts with a $125 torque wrench. Im not spending more than that on a wrench when the method I’ve been using the past two years on pretty much every part I’ve put on multiple bikes is working good lol
@@RidinDad the smaller the engine the less important the torque specs honestly. I come from automotive and moved to heavy duty a year ago. I’d be afraid of not torquing bolts on a 15 liter Cummins.
Yeah I agree with you for sure!
I ordered the clutch plate and 80% springs do you think it would be ok just to run 3 springs so I won’t have to tap out them other holes so just use the stock plate and 3 springs where the bolts go in if that makes sense?
No , still put them all in even if you are not tapping them. I’m actually doing mine right now lol
Just to be clear use the new plate and tapping them isn’t necessary thanks bro appreciate your help
Yea you’ll be ok with just the stock 3. I have been using mine with upgraded 80% springs and the stock three bolts for the last two years. I just tapped the other 3 tonight because I was changing out my clutch.
Yeah man use all the springs 🤘🏼
Do you have to drill the holes out completely that you threaded?
I did the same thing to my grom I have a 2019 now I have a problem now I’m hearing noise like rattling sound and I checked everything I need help with it
Hard to diagnose without physically seeing it. But if nothing else changed I would take everything apart and start from scratch again. Obviously there’s gotta be something going on with what you did if nothing else changed
Did u ever figure it out I’m having the same problem. I did 6 stiff springs 60% and it rattled and clunked the right side case so then I did the 3 and 3 and still happening to me
Something is obviously either Louis or not installed correctly. If all you did was change the springs and you did not add a new part or anything like that they could be malfunctioning for some reason then obviously you have the diagnose where the noise is coming from. I would take everything 100% apart and make sure it is installed completely just really take your time with it and make sure everything is 100% correct
@@RidinDad I also did the chimera plate but not sure if that has anything to do with it
It shouldn’t. It’s a direct replacement. Wouldn’t cause any rattling if it was put in correctly
Can you clutch up in 2nd and third gear now with the 80% springs and chimera plate. I have 60% and the koso one and stick was honestly better than that
I cannot. YOU may lol. I suck at doing any sort of anything that resembles a wheelie. Plus I weigh about 200 and I still don’t have a proper tune or air intake and my heating is stock. I can tell you in 1st and 2nd letting the clutch out sticks instantly. 1st sometimes it bogs down depending on how early you drop the clutch and it almost cuts out no matter how much gas you give the little guy
@@RidinDad It's all technique, you jump down on the pegs while at redline and sit your butt back on the passenger seat after the clutch dump. I'm 205 and the weight might actually help? I get 4th gear wheelies up at 47 MPH with the only mod being 6 60% clutch springs.
With the bounce technique I can also get it up 1st to 3rd without using the clutch, stock gearing...
Oh for sure it’s technique 90% of the time. That’s why I said I cannot because I just suck at it currently. I would love to get better !
@@RidinDad Some people have no interest but I mastered wheelies on a mountain bike so I knew they were a lot of fun.
I took my time and didn't loop when learning.. so it took about 70+ hours over 3 months to get balance point down where I could slow the wheelies down and ride them as long as I want.
That’s awesome man. I was one of the kids that could never get it on paper so I don’t even have that to help me learn now. I practice a little bit but it’s very hard to where I live. So I can only put in a few hours a month so it’s just taking me a long time
Is it safe to replace the 5mm clutch spring with 6mm?
Which springs are you looking at getting?
@@RidinDad I also have 6 springs, but the size of the spring is 5mm, is it safe to replace the 6mm spring?
What are the springs marketed for? I don’t know the aftermarket spring widths. If it’s marketed for the grom you should be fine
What size tap did you use?.... 1mm?
It’s been a while I do not remember honestly. I would check the description. There’s a chance I put a link to it in the description and if not hopefully I said it somewhere in the video but honestly honestly if I did not apologize, I can’t remember by now.
same size as as the bolt treads m6 x 1mm = m6 x 1mm
you said "a light bulb came on and you figured out what you was doing wrong with the clutch plate" ? you didn't explain what you did wrong with the clutch in this video . why wasn't your clutch engaging?
I didnt put the rings in correctly. There was a tiny almost impossible to see gap within the clutch assembly
LOTS OF TALK SHOTS OF THE BACK OF YOUR HAND AND PLENTY MISSING. TALK LESS;
Maybe learn how to write a complete sentence that makes sense before trying to make a dumb comment like this?
The friking music is insane annoying lol so i have to put in a dislike on this one!! :(
What’s annoying about it? The style of music or the volume or what? I put a lot of effort in to making sure it’s quite when I talk
@@RidinDad I just got a new Grom a few weeks ago myself and have been checking out different videos for ideas on upgrades, I've watched a couple of yours too. I think people for the most part don't want music put to videos like in the past. Whether it's the volume going up/down, most people not liking the music you pick, people wanting to actually hear things like engine or exhaust noises instead of music, or whatever the case may be. I am also one of those that would prefer silence to music 99% of the time. Other than that I think your videos are good, take care.
I appreciate Kate that man. Thank you. I’ve had good feedback from music in the past in stead of silence. I always make sure I put exhaust sounds and relevant sounds in there too. That was something I always wanted more of when I watched videos too
But disliking music choice is a crappy reason to give a thumbs down to someone’s video in my opinion