Das Rheingold II - finale
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Der Ring des Nibelungen, a famous production from Bayreuth 1976, recorded 1980. Heinz Zednik as Loge, Donald McIntyre as Wotan, Siegfried Jerusalem is also seen as Froh. Conducted by Pierre Boulez, directed by Patrice Chéreau.
When I was little and getting to know music with our first record player, my dear old dad often played a vinyl LP of Wagner pieces.
I loved the music then and still do 70 years later. I cannot stop playing this particular version…..it is stunning.
C'est quand même grandiose qu'un esprit humain ait pu concevoir toutes ces merveilles.
Une représentation incroyable qui rend justice aux événements de cette journée !
McIntyre is a great Wotan. Such wonderful singing from him. This entire production video might be the best musically of any we have today.
This is my favorite Loge, great singing and slightly idiosyncratic dramatic acting on top. Wonderful.
Patrice Chéreau indeed thought of Riff Raff when concepting "his" Loge!
Zednik is an outstanding Loge.
Extraordinaria Tetralogia, sin duda alguna, una de las mejores de los ultimos tiempos
What a wonderful scene! Mind-blowing. Epic!
Someone is not yet done with the gods!
This is so much faster than I'm used to. But my favourite part (the Rheintöchter) sounds transcendent.
Thank God, someone agrees with me! You're totally right.
4:02 - If it lives on victorious, it will make its meaning plain, that's the key of it all. Might is right, that's what it's all about, not just among deities. Loge is brilliant!
I believe it's a production that started in '76... but it was finally recorded in '80.
That´s a good one from hoogestefan, isn´t it? Was haben wir gelacht! ;-)
Great, thanks for posting! May you post it here as a video response?
Wow. Love Boulez on this. What people do now would make Chereau seem conservative.
definitive!!!
@treefallingup Yes and no. The thing is, while Tolkien always maintained that Wagner was no influence on him, many of the central concepts of LOTR are clearly original to Wagner, rather than just being shared source material.
That was my point, and I admit I put it very poorly.
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I guess you'll be looking to be one of the Herrenvolk next...
Un pur joyau musicalement parlant. A mon avis, le plus soutenu des finale de Wagner et surement du répertoire , j'en ressens l'ivresse que procure cette musique en guise d'apothéose. Wagner est un génie, les superlatifs sont encore à inventer tant ce finale est grandiose. A l'instar du finale de Rienzi il donnerait la force, le courage au plus pusillanime d'entre nous. Je préfère taire par pudeur les idées que génère le tutti finale de Das Rheingold !
@platero55 Ha ha. Because the intelligent people who gave it catcalls just gave up.
Calm down, please and do not use caps lock.
Like Kafka? Interesting....
I just know there are millions of Wagnerites that feel the same way I do of frankenstein directors ignorning the composer's INTENTIONS and doing whatever the f--- they want in the name of their warped artistic nightmares. Why do they foist their s--- on helpless audience members who have to sit through 14 hours of their drivel (NOT the music mind you). Please write your U.S opera co.s people and tell them you DONT want Chereau flavored sets infecting Wagner. We, as viewers have rights too.
I don't think Chereau ignored the composer's intentions at all, I think he carriera them out faithfully. Zednik's Loge, what a brilliant portrayal!!
The performance of Heinz Zednick is impeccable! He dominates the scene!
I stayed up half the night for a week in '76 to see this stupendous performance through to it's amazing finale. First time I had ever watched Wagner. Worth every bloody minute too!
thats so cringe
@@Damian-ni2jy why?
@@KosmosHorology who would stay up all night just to see this lame play? Find a girl or something
@@Damian-ni2jy Cringe is when someone does something universally embarrassing or awkward. Maybe he’s just passionate about music, nothing you or I need to worry about.
The Boulez orchestra in this production of the Ring shimmers like no other I've heard. Very well done. RIP Maestro.
The full brass at the end gets one every time - you almost don't want it to end!
My favorite "Rheingold." Okay, Chéreau didn't have to make Loge an ugly hunchback, but Zednik's singing makes up for it. Did anyone notice the homage to Ingmar Bergman's "Seventh Seal" as the gods wretchedly march to Valhalla?
I love this unusual production of the Ring. Zednik's Loge is a characterisation for all time. Loge-the only intellectual amongst the characters, with his ironic comments on Wotan's actions. What an incredible work of art, and what an achievement against all the odds for Richard Wagner.
So good to see it again after so many years!!
In the light of subsequent productions, it looks almost conservative now!
My favorite version , compelling ......my wife and I watched it after our 50th anniversary remembering 0ur years in BAVARIA
Great ending! I love this finale of das Rheingold. This is surely one of the better productions.
IMO the Rhinegold opera is the best part of the whole cycle. I absolutely love the mind-blowing ouverture and the finale I just can't hear the Rhinegold finale often enough, in particular the first and the last 2 minutes of this. Apart from that, Ride of the Valkyries and (the most epic part of music I know) Siegfried's funeral march.
It's the superb acting and the awesome sceneries which made the Jahrhundertring grand. A flawless musical performance is mandatory for any performance, of course.
'Rhinegold! If but your gleam still glittered in the deep!' They could be singing of so many things.
so wonderful and great - I love the Rheingold - with Rheingold I started knowing Wagner. I love this part. Listening the fire's coming. Loge.
This is a splendid Ring, musically and conceptually. End of 35-year argument. It even gives a nice nod to Ingmar Bergman's "The Seventh Seal" the way the gods desperately link their arms on their way to Valhalla and their doom.
What law firm does Lege work at?
A most interesting interpretation...Fricka's and the god's reluctance to follow Wotan to Valhalla. I guess that after the 'bad real estate deal' he made with the Giants the rest of the family doesn't have much faith in his leadership.
Houdi2 It would be interesting if it made but a tiny bit of sense with the actual story of Der Ring.
Heinz Zednik ist für mich der beste Loge aller Zeiten 🔥🔥🔥
Ich durfte ihn erleben 🙏
Heinz Zednik would do a great Riff Raff if there is ever a Rocky Horror Picture Show opera.
I wonder if there was some inspiration in the reverse direction actually.
Heinz definitely blows everyone out of the water. Not just the singing, but the portrayal.
I don't know the story too well, but the persona is that of a creepy but super shrewd lawyer who overpowers all around him (even those who are seemingly of superhuman heroic stature) by sheer cunning and craft with language and mastery of the others' vanity and psychological buttons). Like a corporate attorney who can simply toy with inventive creators and titans of industry alike by sheer prowess with the law. Is this what Loge represents as he banishes (by hoodwinking them) the gods to valhalla, and depriving the nymphs of their power by keeping their gold? That's the impression I have, not really knowing the story.
I loved Loge in this one.
Heinz Zednik's Loge looks and moves like Riff Raff from the Rocky Horror Picture Show 😊 Patrice Chereau did this deliberately. Heinz Zednik is the best Loge ever!
The gods going up to Valhalla by going down into the stage. Sweet!
I just stepped outside the Fordham Law Library (located across 62nd from Lincoln Center) and heard part of the opening night of the Met's new staging of Das Rheingold. Awesome.
Great Heinz Zednik! Unbelievable!
The best Loge indeed, and Mime as well.
Don't do grad stuff in that so out foot note me. The point is a brilliant performance. Try Ibid and be nice. You do Mann? I don't. Just enjoyed it here without abuse; sorry. Loge draws the curtain. Do not respond. Do me a favor. You think you sleep with Mann? Get a life and a date.
I just made a comment. You want a war vote Republican. I apologize for setting this off. But even my misquote asks how genius exists in evil. I'm not a scholar like you but the thought has haunted me for years. Again if I upset anyone I apologize.
Die Aesthetic dieses Rings ist unangefochten unübertroffen bis heute!
@2251813 ,
18th century is about right. Surely you don't think this is about Norse legend. Wagner was a political radical. How about "Twilight of the Aristocracy". Marx was writing about the same time. Look deeper and you will like it more...promise.
Interesting to hear Jerusalem before he became everyone's favorite Heldentenor.
Better here
Fantastic. Also the Loge reminds me of Gene Wilder...
Bravo. Loge is essentially the modern hero--- a kind of uber-nerd lawyer, who is exactly in the same mold as the "Producers" accountant. I think that accountant is the point of the opera, the passing of authority and power from supernatural deities (Wotan etc.) and pantheistic nature gods (Rhine-maidens), whom the artist-lawyer Loge pits against each other (as a lawyer would, for his own benefit, while feigning to be a humble servant) so he can come out on top. He is supposed to be a a nerd who hunches over his desk and papers while less brainy "heroes," thinking themselves in charge, merely do his bidding and go to their own destruction by the disenchantment of the world he effects. A Gene Wilder accountant is a perfect image for this, except without that character's weakness. Loge by his brains likewise dominates brawny Siegfried types, and the overall dynamic in the most tragic ways imaginable was played out in Germany in the 1930s-1945, when Hitler and Goebbels and company tried to execute the Loge scheme in real life, banishing morality and religious authority, replacing it with their own barbarous, yet very cunning in its psychology and totalitarian methods, fascist cultural scheme. The German military (wehrmacht) aesthetic was modeled on "helden" Siegried; toughness, physical brawn and courage.
I never liked this staging because it has no correlation whatsoever with the actual story.
zednik is the best loge ever!
@krischan67 You have Boulez and Chereau to thank for the quality and foresight - wall street valhala must fall.
Something I pass on to my granduaghters,
Magnifica rappresentazione
The trombones on this piece are THE pivotal instruments---with the horns carrying the melody beneath---truly composed by a master. AMAZING!
I agree. With lots of help from Solti to be sure.
who let Riff Raff from the Rocky Horror Show in here? LOL
Zednick is an awesome Loge.
Why does Loge look like a cross between Laurence Olivier and the hunchback from Rocky Horror Picture Show?
jcons, Loge looks indeed like Riff Raff from the Rocky Horror Picture 😊 Patrice Chereau did this deliberately in order to underline that Loge is a trickster who doesn't belong to the rest of the gang.
Finest Ring ever.
I love wagner, I love Chereau!
Rheingold is in one act. This is the finale to scene four.
With all due respect, to me, Schönberg is a derivated of Wagner's theories... Even if there are differences between both composers's works...
This production was just a year after the film, and Zednik looks like RiffRaff anyhow, it was no coincidence and it fits perfectly.. good thing he didn't have Wotan in drag though :-)))
@bonanzagrade I was not offended, thank you for your comment. But I think that Rheingold IS an action story: perhaps there is more in it, but that comes AFTER. Too many directors try to go 'beyond' the story, and as a result the action is poor or uncomprehensible, costumes bizarre, scenes totally arbitrary and so on. Last week here in Milan I attended a Rheingold with a mimic ballet !!!!! Help! Save Wagner from eggheads!!!
Amazing
I dislike the modernist setting and costumes of this production; in my opinion, the Ring is best performed in a truly mythological/historical setting, complete with real Viking armor and the like
No they are not going up to Valhalla because they are on the bridge that leads to its gates. So they are merely going into Valhalla not up to it.
Wasn't Hephaestus (Vulcan in Roman mythology) labeled the lame smith? I read that Wagner's ring was a mixture of Greek and Roman mythology. As well, Loge is certainly burdened by Wotan's demands...too many arduous tasks could make a hunchback. This Loge is rather mimesque...fire and smth. But I talk too much, perhaps someone else will answer your good question to both our satisfaction.
@bonanzagrade
One can look deeper, perhaps one can write libraries and historicize the composer: but Wagner thought it was about Norse legend. Anyway I'm enough simply-minded to think that when they sing about Wahlhalla the audience would be grateful for seeing a Wahlhalla.
Ridiculous costumes, we're not in XVIII century. And where is the rainbow bridge, where is the Wahlhall they're speaking about?
@windstorm1000 I completely agree. It was my understanding that Chereau had never even heard the operas prior to being engaged to do the staging. Makes sense. His staging shows he knows absolutely nothing of Wagner's vision. Why this and even more modern productions think they have to outguess the composer is beyond me. Better to stage it as a concert performance and let the music tell the story than to produce the ugly spawn of some clueless director.
@2251813
The visual production has been placed ahead of the music in many newer performances. Every new production wants to make an almost anime-like production out ot it. Duh! It's all about the music.
Of course it is - Deutsche Grammophon, use Amazon (Boulez, Chéreau, Ring).
@doodeloo Kind of, yeah. Or rather, the Lord of the Rings is the Ring of the Niebelung in English.
I agree Chrshonore. The music is of course majestic. In fact, it's the pinnacle of musical accomplisments in the 19th century. The singers' are richly deserve praise also. The rest of the production should follow their example, by providing a dignified authentic appearance.
The pinnacle of Western music.
Sérgio Braga I have an open mind, so can you please provide some supporting statements to back up this rather hyperbolically claim?
He doesn't have to provide anything at all. You can just feel the music and take your own conclusions.
Jawel, `wij´!
Looks like a very cool production. Too bad we couldn't have had this for LA Opera's first Ring, instead of Achim Freyer's flimsy puppet show.
I guess you will be happy to meet Anton Drexler and Dietrich Eckhart...
@oriola26
Yes and at the last performance of this production in 1980.
one hou and half of applause.
@hoogestefan: Mahler war Tscheche? Kann jemand diesen Blödsinn löschen?
@platero55 It's probably because it's such a vast piece that conceiving a consistent artistic vision would probably represent damn near a lifetime's work!!!
not very intelligent but i try! i prefer the solti ring but this was great.
Deepfuge...i think you are right on the mark...also, my favorite take on this question has always been that Loge's ENTIRE self is twisted.
The best recorded video of the Ring ever.
Like Thomas Mann wrote who can a man so evil write such beauty
one of the most glorious and powerful works ever.
regardless of who Wagner was, this work is incredible.
In terms of accompanying melody, it's my favourite line in opera. The modulation on "Pfad" brings me to tears!
@windstorm1000 If I want relevance, I'll read the paper. If I want fantasy and beauty, I will listen to Wagner. The modern versions are just saying that the audience is too stupid to get the message, so they have to spell it out in modern terms.
Uh...I've been listening and watching - and even singing in - Wagner Ring productions since 1978 (in Seattle). I find this production riveting and I remember watching it in the early 80's when it was first broadcast. I wasn't sure what I thought of it initially, although I remember thinking how well acted and sung it was. I remember sobbing at the end of Walkure. Over the years, this production has become my favorite and I return to it frequently.
Trust me, I am definitely not stupid. If you believe that anyone who appreciates this production is limited in their intelligence, that only shows how limited you yourselves are. You don't like it? Fine. Just don't go judging people who do. It only shows your own limitations. I won't call you an idiot because you don't like it. To each his own.
Absolutamente maravilloso.¡¡¡
@yankeehatinactor A truly mindblowing performance...
Anyone know if the full version is on here?
Jerusalem is very cool.
I'm confused... is this '76 or '80?
Our Time is Coming 🗿
Delightful.TY Trisolde for posting.