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Another great blade to try is the Ridge Carbide brand. Little bit thicker on the kerf than the FS blade, smaller hook angle for less grabbing of smaller/thinner wood pieces, such as end returns. Good price too. Switched from pricier Forrest blades, and haven't been disappointed. Give them a try. ridgecarbidetool.com/collections/miter-radial-saw-blades/products/12-x-80-ar-4-1-2-hk-095-125-rs1000-super-miter
Good information on the blades. The Type 22 779 also has some other differences from the 780. No steel bevel lock knob (plastic on 779), no positive pawl bevel stops, and no lock lever for the slide for a quick plunge setting. The newest version of the 779 weighs the same as the 780 at 56 pounds. It was older type 20 was listed at 67 pounds. Also the two piece adjustable throat is now a non adjustable one piece. Both saws are made in Taiwan.
Hello from Moldova Europe...in my country dewalt dws780 costs $ 1,500 I was thinking about buying or not...But you're definitely convinced me ...in my country this price is enormous...I will work for three months for this tool..I think it's worth it..
Great review. Seems great carpenters are becoming more popular these days and finally getting recognized. Read a report a few months back that skilled trades are making a comeback in the wage war due to many retiring or passing away. Been a carpenter my entire life. I'm 57 now and although there were some lean times, I wouldn't trade being a carpenter for any job. Would love a segment of your handmade saw stand wings. I have the 779 with the light kit from Dewalt added on and the same Dewalt saw stand but dislike the narrow platform. Your setup looks spot on. A video on that stand and jobsite set up would be much appreciated.
Thanks for the video! I have my Kapex for 8 years now with no problems or adjustments to be made, I was using it every day at construction sites for about the first 4 years, now using the 12" Dewalt Flexvolt on a Ridgid wheeled stand daily and the Kapex for when I need to cut repetitive panel moldings or just window and door casings, love both saws, for dust collection on the Dewalt I use the Rousseau hood and the best 12" blade I found so far that works great against deflection is the CMT 90T.
Spencer I’ve got the dw 708 . It’s the best saw I’ve ever had in 40 years . I calibrated it and it’s spot on in both planes . Your abs spot on what you said about the blade . Thank you
Thanks Spencer, I have been trying to figure out all the different model numbers. I have to replace mine, it's 20 years old and I have ran it into the ground. But I will say it has not only cut trim with it but loads of framing lumber, timber post, and don't yell at me but aluminum handrails as well. This is a big help.
Hello from Easton Maryland. I’m so glad you do this video. I have my miter saw 708 since 1996 and is still running well. I do some electrical wire repair and trigger repair and bushing repair just one time in each one and is still working perfectly. Last year I got the 780 and you’re perfectly right. I was looking for the best in every way and the dust collector is not perfect but is the best miter saw in the market. Tank you to share with us all your experience. Stay safe.
My 23 year old Dewalt 12” miter saw is still going strong. The 1st gen is perfection in a miter saw. I have used the newer versions and they don’t compare. Honestly you need to find an older saw and try it out you will understand the difference. Words from 45 years as a trim carpenter.
Thank you for putting together this video. I have been trying to decide between the Makita LS1219L and this DeWALT DWS780. I have read some reviews that some of the Makita units need to have a piece of wood placed between the rails and cranked to get the rails to align with the blade. When you consider the fact that I'd be paying $700 for a saw that needs that type of adjustment out of the box, I realized I could get the DeWALT *and* a stand for the same price and similar performance. I've seen the work you do and it makes me more confident that this saw is not just for framing - it can handle the fine finish work I will be doing.
Thank you for making this video. I abhor those who make purchases (especially for their business) that are based upon the Gucci factor, You know, the guys with the $70,000 pickup "work" trucks that have bed covers and no lettering (or worse: illegible fancy lettering) to muck it up. You know the same guys that purchase $400 coolers that weigh more empty than most others when full and $40 matching coffee mugs...sorry, you got me going. I have owned 2 Dewalt DWS series and I feel the same way. One is 8 years old and has the same zip as when new. I love your pragmatic approach to life and business; may the thinker (as opposed to the impulsive "feeler") always prevail. God Bless you and your family.
Bought a 779 and found a light kit for an additional $75 a few months back. It is heavier but I use a rolling stand so the weight isnt an issue for my applications. I’m very happy with the performance, savings over the 780 and overall quality.
I added the light kit too. It was easy. I am not so sure about the weight. Every time I have looked at them at a store I see nothing at all different other than the light.
Yep, love my 780. Today I bought DCS361 7-1/4-in (184mm) cordless sliding compound miter, bought it for flooring so I can keep it right there on the floor with me.
I bought the cordless mini mitre saw a year ago for small jobs and to be portable and I love it for that. Mine came with a fence that was pretty bad but I can still get good miters
Great video. I have been using a DeWalt DW708 for 20+ years and it still runs and performs as it did new. I like how you discussed the issue of calibration of saws. I can agree with you on that topic 100%. My saw at some point wouldn’t cut accurate. Took it to BD/DeWalt store and had a service done on it. Turns out original fence was bent/warped. Had new fence installed and saw serviced for a fraction of the cost of a new one back then. Just completed a interior board and batten job for my own house and my saw did everything I wanted and expected it to do. No real need to go out and buy another saw at this time. One last note, definitely purchase the best saw blades that can be resharpened. The cost to have them resharpened is very affordable in most parts of the country. Thanks again.
Just picked one up last week when the motor on my 12" Flexvolt gave up the ghost. Looking forward to using your other videos to tune up the new 780. Thanks man!
Thank you for taking the time to make another informative video. I recently purchased the Gen 2 12” Delta Cruzer. So many people told me not to because of the deflection. I found that not to be the case at all. I actually found more deflection on the Festool due to the awkward unnatural position your wrist needs to be in when making cuts.
I also tend to agree with your take on Festool. They make precision tools that accomplish the tasks they were designed to accomplish (at a staggering price) but they don't seem to be rugged enough to withstand real world use. Back in 2008 I had a job replacing several doors in a carpeted office building and had to set up in the hallway. Knowing how much sawdust my Porter Cable 126 planer spews out I thought I would try the Festool H 850 E planer (at the time $560) and the CT-22 dust extractor (at the time $520 plus $200 for a permanent cloth bag) to contain the dust. I must say that I was stunned at how well the dust extraction worked at containing the mess but in the subsequent years the dust extractor has literally self destructed due to how brittle the plastic they used is. The planer is excellent, and I still use it to this day and I still can use the dust extractor but it has several chunks missing and none of that damage is as a result of abuse from me. I don't think the saying. "you get what you pay for" really applies to Festool. I don't mind paying an exorbitant price for a tool as long as it is, by far, the best tool available. In the case of Festool I think it's more mystique than reality. BTW: To replace that setup today I would have to pay $733 for the planer and $1,045 for the dust extractor with cloth bag. By comparison in 2013 I paid $593 for my DWS780 sliding compound miter saw; today it would set me back $645......a little bit different rate of inflation. All prices include sales tax
Hey Spencer - I switched from the DWS780 to the Kapex this last year for the UG cart/wings and dust collection. I'm with you on the DWS780 being an incredible saw. I held out as long as I could but being primarily in a basement shop I needed the dust collection to be better. I really miss that LED shadow line though.
Hi boss , I was having issue with dust collection. I purchased a rousseau 5000 dust hood . It works awesome for working in finished areas . Thx for the info on the saw blade .
There’s a channel called the building guru that has a fantastic tutorial series on how to make that 780, 100% machine square. I have a bit of a testimony with this saw cabinet installing with it for 7 years. In my opinion the 780 is perfectly accurate for trim and general carpentry. It took me a lot of effort to do many high skilled jobs but I got a ton of great work done with it, and there’s plenty to like about it. I loved the light on it but found it useless as a blade indicator because the shadow isn’t hardly even visible from full extension and not crisp until the blades basically touching the work piece so I don’t consider the 780 to be equipped with a blade indicator at all imo. I went through 4 of the 780’s in 3 weeks just taking them home, setting them up and finding the fence and/or base was twisted out of plane, so the blade couldn’t be squared to both sides of the fence. After going through all 4, I found they all had the same fence wing issue, and while taking them off and sanding them down perfectly flat (in plane) I found the channels they slide in were machined out of plane, so even after machining the fences flat, as soon as I adjusted either one out a bit, left/right, they were out plane again so it wasn’t possible to totally fix that issue no matter what. Also, after finding this issue in all 4, in 3 weeks the rep said he wouldn’t exchange me another saw, and the Bosch and Makita’s at the time had noticeable issues of their own that I didn’t want to deal with, so I just stuck it out with the 780. After going through the rest of the saw I found that while the centre base was relatively in plane to the side bases, it went out of plane when moved left or right, so again it was a problem that could not be fixed because the platform the Center base sits on was out, so even when I machined all 3 bases to be in plane while at 0°, it would go out of plane to the left and right. That’s 2 separate issues that could not be totally fixed. So I basically had to resort to drawing a square line or whatever angle I needed on every piece I needed high accuracy on, and just tried to follow it. As unfortunate and shitty as it was, it was possible and I made it work for years. I found out years later that the 780 was made in Mexico and another country so I assumed the one factory was just phoning it in for a cpl years, because I found both of those issues in 5 other new saws after that, totalling 9 saws, including my cousins new 780 he bought 2000 miles away and a year after I got mine. Either way, moral of the story must be #NotAll780s and #NotAllKapex lol because I had just as shit of an experience with the 780 as you had with the Kapex, and now am just as happy with my new Kapex as you are with the 780. Although I do wish the less expensive saw that worked out for me. Lol
Spencer I just found and subscribed to your channel.... Fantastic work!!!! In the last 2 yrs I've got turned onto festools love them . I just bought the KS 120 REB saw about 9 months ago I hope I don't run into the same problems you had.. l replaced it with my dewalt DW705 l've still got that saw works great after 20 plus years.. l went for the Kapex saw for its dust collection hooked up to the CT26E vacuum and knew how good the quality is in everything I own festool..
Is that the only difference between the two models?? I recently bought the 779 on sale too. Didn’t realize it didn’t have the light until I used it the first time
Same here, bought it on sale plus a veterans discount. Adding the XPS light was a very easy upgrade/mod and saved a bunch of money. He mentioned the 779 being heavier, I haven't compared, but my saw doesn't travel, so if that is the case a heavier saw is actually better.
@@lyleconway6795 He said in the video they are made in different places. He thought the 779 was made in another country. Also didn't hold up as well as the 780. Being abused. But he did say they were both good saws.
I agree with all he says. One other point I'd like to add is that the blade guard is great. You can hold it with your trigger hand to keep it out of the way for accurate cuts. The Kapex runs on the inside and gets in the way at times.
Hi just a word on the Kapex motor situation; I was at the last AWFS show in Vegas and talked with a German factory rep at the Festool booth and voiced my concerns about the weak motor on my Kapex and all reported motor failures. He handed me a piece of 8/4 oak and said try the new Kapex with motor upgrade. I did and I can tell you what a difference. It didn't bog down at all. He also told me that since my saw was still under warranty, to send it back and Festool would replace the motor with the new upgraded one at no cost. They did and now I'm much happier. Like you said though, time will tell!
The 12" Dewalt slider saw is the answer for large crown or base moldings cutting vertical or flat. We commonly use them on commercial jobs. If you have the touch and patience, the stock blade will work.
After watching your video I pulled the trigger on the 780. I’m planning on using it only for diy stuff so it’s probably an overkill, but it’s nice to know that I can use it for pretty much anything. I can’t even count how many times I purchased lesser of a tool and then regretted it due to its limitations.
Dewalt 780 hands down the best I’ve used my for 6. Years and calibration only twice Aside from the tweet here or there after changing out a new blade or something the best songs ever heads down I agree with you Spencer
i do have a vacuum hooked up to my DW780 and i feel it gets a lot of the dust. Then add the hood from fast cap and you can cut inside a lived in house. Great video!! preaching to the choir.
These saws have improved over the years too. I bought one when they first came out and just bought another new one. There is quite a bit of difference in the miter tables. The new one feels much more accurate and positive on the detents. I had a small piece of wood jam the blade on my old one which stopped the saw dead and caused a lot of run out on the blade. I looked at replacing the parts and it was cheaper to buy a new 779 than to replace a few parts in the arbor box on the old one. The old one is still good for rough cutting 2x4's and such, but now no good for precision work. I'm going to add the light to the 779 saw as well. If you cut dark stained trim it's hard to see the pencil marks and a light would really help there.
I second the notion of how much power miter saws have evolved over the years. For years I used a Delta 10” miter box with a cast iron table & zero clearance insert. I’d built a wooden fence extension base for it; it served my needs well. Unfortunately the saw was stolen a little while ago. The silver lining to the story is that I bought a Dewalt 12” (non-sliding) double bevel compound miter saw (DWS716) to take its place. (I also have a Delta SawBuck for larger material). The design of the Dewalt is miles ahead of the Delta miter saw. It’s much more easily and completely adjustable. It’s motor is biased to the rear and belt driven - so it’s not in the way of thicker material you’re cutting. Even with the cheapie blade that comes with the saw, the cuts are glass smooth. (I’ll buy an FS Tool or Tenryu blade when the OEM blade dulls.). It’s equally solid to the 10” Delta, but tons lighter and better balanced - so much easier to move.
I love everything about my Dewalt, but one feature I love the best, are the ribs on the blade guard. They allow me to use my thumb to hold the guard up while pulling the trigger. Comes in very handy when eyeballing the line sometimes... Now you have me envying your buck eighty blade!!! Guess I don't need it since I don't do production...lol
That point never gets brought up lol. I do the same thing and every time I’m looking at another saw it’s stuff like that (the little things) that keep me with Dewalt
@@toolman101476 I had a 10” DeWalt for years then bought the 10” Makita and the first thing I noticed after the fact was the blade guard! It took quite a bit of time to get use to not flipping it up with my thumb.
I had a Dewalt 779 for awhile and it is a great saw but I was storing under my bench and it was heavy to move I ended up selling it. The extra capacity was overkill for me who is simply a hobbyist and not doing this for a living. As a mechanic for 15 years who owns a lot of Snap On tools I can appreciate quality tools but the Kapex is so incredibly overpriced compared to other mitre saws I don’t even consider it for any mitre saw comparison. I had a Bosch glide for awhile and the glide mechanism was amazingly smooth but it had a lot of head deflection even when locked for chopping. It could have been user error but I did not have the issue on any saw before or since. Great video and sweet shop!
You are 100 percent honest. I own 3 dewalt saw the last 10 years. Ind I don’t think I will ouwn any ather saw . I tried Bosch. Makita. Festol. Hitachi. Miter saw . None one is for me. Just Dewalt.thanks for your video so all the carpenters can see.
I’ve had a lot of saws over the years but the 780 has bees the most durable saw of the bunch. As a stair builder I do like the new Makita slider and it’s ability to cut boards to 60 degrees left and right. but it weighs a ton and still only has a laser.
I have the 12" Makita as well & you're right it is "heavy". Also Makita Detent Plate is made of aluminium & the plate detents wear with time due to the pin/detent in/out friction. Steenwoodwork.com is currently selling a Laser Etched Stainless Steel Detent Plate that fits both the 10" & 12" Mitre Saws for $110. I live in UK & don't know if he will deliver overseas?
The new Makita 40V cordless miter saws have the led and stainless detent plate. Hopefully that makes its way to the corded models. I really like the forward slide rails and upfront bevel knob on the makita.
I couldn't agree with your review more. I am a finish carpentry contractor, like you, and I landed on the same two choices for miter saws (DWS780 and DW716). The DW716 is my primary choice for a jobsite saw. It is a little lighter and takes up less real estate in the truck than the DWS780 and it can handle almost all the widths I deal with on a daily basis. I purchased the DW716 in 2011 to replace a DW706 (purchased in 2003). There was nothing wrong with the DW706, the DW716 just had enough improvements to warrant the upgrade (lever lock instead of a twist lock and the LED light). That is one of the things I like most about DeWalt tools; they are constantly evolving and improving. Back in 2000, when I first had jobs that required cutting wider material, I got the DW708 (DeWalt's first stab at sliding compound miter saws). It was a good saw but the rails were mounted vertically which tended to allow a little side to side deflection. I think there were a couple of subsequent models but in 2013 when I saw DeWalt had addressed all the shortcomings of previous models I purchased one....no regrets. I agree, the dust collection may not be the best, but it is world better than the DW708 was. After a little required tweaking on both saws the accuracy is excellent. In fact, surprisingly, the DWS780 is a shade better than the DW716. BTW: The DW716 says "made in Mexico".....for some reason that makes me feel better than "made in China". Just me, I guess. Wonder if we'll ever see "made in the USA" again? Enough rambling.
I also tend to agree with your take on Festool. They make precision tools that accomplish the tasks they were designed to accomplish (at a staggering price) but they don't seem to be rugged enough to withstand real world use. Back in 2008 I had a job replacing several doors in a carpeted office building and had to set up in the hallway. Knowing how much sawdust my Porter Cable 126 planer spews out I thought I would try the Festool H 850 E planer (at the time $560) and the CT-22 dust extractor (at the time $520 plus $200 for a permanent cloth bag) to contain the dust. I must say that I was stunned at how well the dust extraction worked at containing the mess but in the subsequent years the dust extractor has literally self destructed due to how brittle the plastic they used is. The planer is excellent, and I still use it to this day and I still can use the dust extractor but it has several chunks missing and none of that damage is as a result of abuse from me. I don't think the saying. "you get what you pay for" really applies to Festool. I don't mind paying an exorbitant price for a tool as long as it is, by far, the best tool available. In the case of Festool I think it's more mystique than reality. BTW: To replace that setup today I would have to pay $733 for the planer and $1,045 for the dust extractor with cloth bag. By comparison in 2013 I paid $593 for my DWS780 sliding compound miter saw; today it would set me back $645......a little bit different rate of inflation. All prices include sales tax
That is 100% absolutely true. You have to calibrate a saw right out of the box no matter what kind it is. Even if it was perfect from factory, think about the shipping and handling and it banging around over thousands of miles.
Thanks for all your informative videos Spencer. I always learn something from each of them. I recently had the motor fail on my DWS780 type 1. Have you ever had any motor issues? Unfortunately my saw is about three and half years old so no longer under warranty. Even worse Dewalt no longer manufactures the "field" to repair it. I'm in the market for a new saw and a little reluctant to buy another DWS780. That said other than the motor failure it was a great saw.
I had the flexvolt version which was rugged and accurate. I just couldn't handle the dust collection issues due to the nature of my work. I tried the "new" kapex but straight out of the box it was damaged. Swapped it out, another one damaged. Walked away after having my hands on 2 different kapex saws in a week. Can't pay that and have to replace parts on day one. Now, running the Milwaukee 12" and 7-1/4" depending on the job. The dust collection is a huge step up from the dewalt and I really can't say enough about how I love the lightweight aspect. My 12" weighs about 47 lbs and the 7-1/4 is something silly like 28lbs. I will say I miss how my dewalt stayed calibrated. For whatever reason I feel like that saw only needed a checkup once a month. The milwaukee, I definitely check it every job and commonly need a small shift.
Just watched your video a few days ago. I watched another youtuber talk about the 780 as well. I just put an order in for the 780. I found it for the same price as the 779!!
Great video. Ide like to also point out that the 779s motor is manufactured with lower quality parts. This is actually where they saving come from from what I've gathered.
i have the DWS779 and i love it. next time i will buy the 780 just for the light. my employer owns a few of the new Bosch 12" miters and they're really good. although i do like the ergonomics of the Dewalt much better and that's probably just because I'm so used to it.
Love love love my 716xps. I went with that vs the 779 at the time for the best I could afford without the size concerns and weight. I am very happy with it. It is a beast for sure lol
I'm on my 3rd 779. I absolutely love them and I don't know a single other carpenter in my orbit using anything but a 779/780. They are just literally the best miter saw for the money on the market. The only thing I don't like is having to reach behind to bevel. I wish it was up front like the Bosch. It's the only thing I don't like about the saw but given the huge vertical cut capacity I don't bevel often.
I couldn’t agree more with everything you said. The contractor I work with periodically has a 780 he bought 5-6 years ago. It’s taken an absolute whooping and cut a boatload of stuff. However, you could have taken it one step further and mentioned the 12” Flex Volt version of this saw if you want to dive into the deep end of the pool. It’s hard to put a dollar value on being cord free although the AC adaptor comes with it. And, those 60 volt batteries are compatible with all the other DEWALT tools you have laying around, especially if you want to plug em in and run all day. I absolutely love mine and do not regret one penny of what it cost me.
Great video! I was strongly considering the DeWalt but ended up getting the new Kapex mostly because it came with an angle transfer device. But for real I chose the kapex for the dust collection and all the other positive things you said about it. My Makita 10” is awesome and so is my baby DeWalt 7 1/4 but both of them don’t have the dust collection I’m looking for, even when hooked up to a vacuum.
Just got the DWS780 home. Used one but like barely as they could have convinced me it was new, never used. Paid $250 with the stand which is also new. Good deal and I would take it all day long but........ My first impression is I like my old Ridgid 4221 better. It has everything this 780 has including the shadow line, and everything is about 3" bigger. The rip capacity, the fence width, the depth on the side where you mount the wings, and although I hear everybody saying these belt driven saw's are smoother than direct drive, I don't notice any difference other than the Dewalt seems to have more torque. So much so that it shoots up in the air when I pull the trigger. I'm sure I would get use to that after some use but I'm not cutting 6x6's all day so I'm not sure I need all that torque. This may be a case of liking what I know but I think I'm just going to list it for $400 and hang on to the old Ridgid. Everything I own is Dewalt minus the Miter Saw, so it's not like I am a Ridgid lover, I just honestly like the Ridgid better.
My vote is for the Milwaukee 12" slide Reasons: 1) Digital read out in 1/10 of a degree. Many times you need the precision of moving just slightly. So you try to move your cutting head... and you have to make a cut to see if the head moved?? To answer the question....did it move at all, move backwards, or forward too moch?? This is where the sensitive Digital read out shines!! Example: odd angle joint. You wish to make a miter crown joint. You devide that angle in half. Let's say it's 37.6° . Now you can write it down and accurately return later . This is extremely helpful especially if you are sharing the saw with other crew members !! 2) slyde/head stiffness or rigidity. Pull the cutter head all the way towards you. Lock both the pivoting and head travel down. Now left hand on the saw base and right hand on the cutting head. Test for sideways stiffness!! The Milwaukee is the winner by far compared to all other saws !! This yields a better cut under load. A better joint under load! 3) great double light! 4) 3 year warranty Once you use the digital read out....you will never go back!! just jim
@@kjk7225 the saw head moves in 2 different ways. The head can pivot or tilt. Let's say you are cutting baseboard or chairail in a room that is retangler. There is no need to tilt the head.....mearly pivot the head to 45° and if the corner is "truly square.....cut. the digital read out (numerical numbers on the small screen) will show actual numbers ...45°. If the corner is not square and you devide the angle....lets say it is less then 90°..... maybe it's 89.8° when you devide the angle equally....you will see these actually on a screen as opposed to a crude pointer on a radius scale. Like a clock indicating time....old fashion....hands pointing to a clock face.....vs a digital read out on your microwave......
@@joemartines3545 Joe, the other competitors do not have the digital read out. They and most carpenters don't realize how insanely important and accurate that precision is!! Besides my saw, I have only seen 2 other 12" Milwaukee slide saws like it. People just don't know.....! just jim
I discovered that the holes drilled for my fence system were all off from the factory. The bevel on the screws pull the entire system pull both sides out by a half degree. From both left and right sides cut at 90.5 degrees
I’ve used Dewalt 12 chop and then 12” slide compound for 25 yrs no problems. You are 100 on using quality blades. Kapex is way to expensive and not any better. As far as the dust goes well that’s what brooms are for. When you trim out a house there will stuff all over the place anyway.
I have the DWS779 and it is identical in all specs to the DWS780, same weight exactly. The only difference (confirmed with Dewalt BTW) is the XPS work light, which I added to mine with a $75 kit that replaces the handle with a 780 handle. 779 is about $150 cheaper. 100% agree that the light changes the game dramatically... worth the investment. Also agree on the cheap Dewalt blades, they're junk... spend some $ and get a good blade. It's a great saw!
I have 779 and 780. I think they weight the same but the cheaper one is missing a lot. Blade stop and angle lock are a huge deal for me. Depends on what you need it for. Both work great
This is simply not true….. and of course Dewalt CS will confirm this is the only difference. Based on specs, it is an accurate statement. However, the 780 has a more commercial grade motor (same specs/different quality) as well as better bearings, etc. I have confirmed this with a local service center. The parts lists are different.
Great video great topic Just because I saw cost more does not make it better (we all know what sawI’m talking about)..... I’ve watch guys for years use the Hitachi and Dewalt saws for a reason Good quality at a fair price. I have the Dewalt!! Another point is getting used to your own saw it doesn’t matter what saw it is.
When I chose a dewalt slider a decade ago it was mainly because compared to other brands the stand was lightyears ahead (it collapsed tightly, had twice as much extension on the supports etc). I also thought there might be an advantage to having the rails/sliders in the "closed" position when cutting right next to the fence (I.e. cutting base vertically, potentially less deflection with the rails closed). Good video Spencer thanks for the link to the tall fence too!
I like the DWS780. Just a note, I have an older Dewalt 12" miter that did not come with a light. I found that Dewalt sells an optional light for mine model and it works great!
Thanks for giving us your deep dive into your saws. Your speaking ability behind the camera has really grown. What are your thoughts about the Bosch and the Delta articulated arm saws for use in construction?
Thanks, I try and make better videos with each upload. Bosch sent me an axial glide. There was so much movement in the saw head that I never even bothered to use it. I can't speak to the delta.
@@InsiderCarpentry That sounds disturbing for sure. I’ve never had the opportunity to try one or to know someone who owns one. I wonder if that play can be adjusted out during saw calibration? I enjoyed that video you did on calibrating your saw and appreciated how much time and effort you spent making it what it should have been.
Great video. I personally run 706-716 and the Dewalt 10” slider. Great saws for the money. Do you have plans to do a video on job site lighting? I noticed your large 360° LED light sitting on your bench
I know it hasn’t been tested for longevity, and it was a risk, but I bought the Hercules 12” from Harbor freight last year. It’s basically a dws780 clone. It has been perfect for me, very accurate out of the box, and cuts through anything I’ve thrown at it. With the deals at the time it was $279.99, which was the best deal I could find.
I was going to buy the DWS780 until the Hercules came out so waited about another year to see how it played out. I also wanted to put my hands on both to access the quality of each. In the end the two were near identical so went Hercules route since it was 1/2 the price. Everything stated in this video can be said for the Hercules saw at a lower price point.
Lately I've been searching for reviews and opinions regarding miter saw vs table saw sled so I guess that is why this video popped up on my suggestion feed. It may be confirmation bias or even where I am (more to the point, where I'm not) with my skill level but I feel like I can get very accurate cuts with my Hercules 12" saw. I also found it to be accurate right out of the box and it has not failed to perform well with anything put to it. Another thing I noticed was the laser cut expansion slots on the stock blade. That's the extent of what I know about it but, as I understand it, that is better than the stamped blades. I deliberately searched the comments to see if anyone else mentioned it. Yours and the reply from msk3905 are exactly what my thoughts are...or vice versa lol.
I'm on my second cheaper one, first one went fifteen years and still use for exterior finish. Totally agree best saw, ease of controls second to none. Battery operated stationary tools (miter saw, table saw, compressor) ridiculous gimmicky waste of money.
After research not only the light, but the bevel knob is plastic, no bevel stops on the sides for those angles used in trim, and the much smaller fence on the 779 vs 780.
I just ordered one. Sadly, it's factory refurbished but I got it for $475 and my multi coverage on my current plan with Amazon covers it completely. It's the same one in your link. It links to the reconditioned one. Always had good luck with factory reconditioned so I hope this one is the same
great channel! I'm newly subscribed and have been wanting to comment but usually I watch on our Smart TV and there's no ability to comment there. I really think you're an awesome person and a great carpenter! But on this topic I'm gonna have to push back! DeWalt is ok, they've come on strong the last 10 years or so but they're late to the game with sliding miter saws. My MADE IN JAPAN Makita LS 1013 is a lot more refined than the DeWalt and I bought it 20+ years ago....for instance the trigger has a soft start feature that is really nice. I have a friend with this same 12" Dewalt saw and it "jumps" when you hit the start switch....maybe you get used to that after a while but it's just one example of the lack of refinement. I'm glad it works for your work flow Spencer but I just wanted to share with people reading that the DeWalt brand in general ain't really all that. The older Hitachi sliding saws were extremely well made too, before they started outsourcing all the production to China. I'm not hating on DeWalt, I have a few DeWalt tools such as a 16 gauge cordless nail gun that's pretty good, but overall just kind of "OK" and IMO over-rated. But I do understand that with the cordless stuff you kind of have to pick a brand and stick with it. For me it's Makita and I have a bunch of Bosch . Once again, great channel, keep up the great work
Love my 780...Great saw and powerful with accuracy.. Xps light is the best.. But... Its very heavy and cumbersome.. So I use it on larger jobs preferably on the ground floor.. I use my makita 36v 190mm saw on small jobs as its lightweight but powerful.. Good review, thanks.
I just ordered a DWS780 based on this video (and feedback from non-carpentry friends). Great detail - and I MAY just order a better saw blade as directed.
I have a DWS780, and It's a great saw. However, it has a large tool depth from front to back. Due to changes in my workshop, I need a sliding saw with a smaller foot print front to back. Thinking about the Bosch GCM12SD or the Makita LS1219L. They both have a shorter tool depth from front to back, but obviously very different articulation mechanisms. I build custom furniture in a small shop and need a fixed miter saw setup, so unlike you, I don't need to travel with it. Not interested in the Festool. I mainly need 1) accuracy 2) dust collection 3) footprint depth.
I've been using the 780 since about 2012. It's my workhorse. I agree that the heavier blades are no problem for this saw. I've not even considered another saw. Great video.
No. Some DeWalt tools are amongst the best, some not. Same with all brands. Not a problem with corded but, with battery power, sometimes you have to compromise to stay on same platform. Now too old to invest in Mafell
@@cuebj I'm speaking from experience. I've tried them all, from drills to saws, grinders to routers, nail guns to compressors, and the only one that lasts is DeWALT, specially when it comes to cordless. I've been in contruction for 18 yrs and that has been the case for me. Other brands just don't last.
fyi if you have the time and are looking to save $100 or so you can get the 779 and buy an aftermarket xps kit. takes about half an hour to install, so if you plan on tuning up the saw out of the box it could be a good option to buy the 779 and a light kit for it.
I have had my Kapex for quite a few years now. Works great. Founded it dead accurate right out of the box. Size and weight is friendly to move about without feeling I should probably do a warmup before I decide to grab ahold of it like some other saws. Dust extraction while doing some remodeling work in the home is far superior then any other saw. I find the bevel controls easy to use and dial in exactly where you need it without having to reach in back of the saw like you do on the Dewalt. However I am not a production trim carpenter and don’t put any where near the use (and abuse) that this guys does I am sure. As he mentions the price for the Festool is a bit difficult to swallow and I feel the shadow line system is a better system. No regrets on the Festool but I would certainly give this saw consideration if/when I need to buy a new one
Great vid, thanks for sharing. Have been running a DW717 for a while now and was cleaning my blade today and noticed the cast arm is actually cracked! Could not believe it and they no longer make that part. Been looking at this as a replacement for it.
Another great video Spencer. Agreed on all points. I would like to clarify, I'm not sure where you're finding the weight difference. I've used both and they seem the same, and when doing a check online both saws spec out at 56lbs. But perhaps somewhere they've put out conflicting info. Anyway, the 780 is basically the 779 with the light added. The 779 usually runs $400 USD, while the 780 runs $600. If you don't mind spending an hour of time, people can buy the 779 , and then order the light for like $68 (full kit) and install it themselves. Voila...779 is now a 780! Of course if you don't mind the extra $ and don't want to mess around, just get the 780.
Very thorough and detailed review. I'm also a fan of 12" blades and Dewalt MS. For my workflow, I go with non-slider, relying on track saw when wider cuts are necessary. I also believe (superstitiously?) that non-slider is less prone to deflection by design. That said, if I still did much stair work, a slider would also be my choice.
Great great video!!!! I'm going to wait to get the saw to check the deck vs stationary deck, fence to fence, etc before buying the expensive blade lol.
Great info as usual. I own an older dewalt. Idk if it's a 779 or older. It's 17 yrs old. Still great. Dust everywhere.. lol. I use a dust hood when needed. But I wasn't to go cordless and foward sliders
In the trades for 44 yrs. Bar none the 780 Dewalt mitre saw is the most accurate saw out of the box, I’ve ever used!! Always make sure your material is firm against the back stop, if not your material will slam back against and potentially make the U shape back stop out of true!!
I had a 12 dont remember the model. only use for tall baseboards mainly MDF very little use the belt rip, brushes change and last time like 10 moths ago the motor burn. how ever my Dewalt 10 inch Still kick currently doing 800sq ft of parquett on 3/4 x 4 solid white oak. 6 days of heavy cutting. keep cutting 👍👍
Run out is different then deflection. That said, most of the problem comes from the rails. I've found sliders to be less acuarate, so I use a non slider for trim work that won't be painted.
Still running my Japanese Hitachi. For trim work I feel that’s all the saw you need. Bought the new Chinese one, nothing like my 15 year old saw. Wish they still made them.
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Another great blade to try is the Ridge Carbide brand. Little bit thicker on the kerf than the FS blade, smaller hook angle for less grabbing of smaller/thinner wood pieces, such as end returns. Good price too. Switched from pricier Forrest blades, and haven't been disappointed. Give them a try.
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Good information on the blades. The Type 22 779 also has some other differences from the 780. No steel bevel lock knob (plastic on 779), no positive pawl bevel stops, and no lock lever for the slide for a quick plunge setting. The newest version of the 779 weighs the same as the 780 at 56 pounds.
It was older type 20 was listed at 67 pounds. Also the two piece adjustable throat is now a non adjustable one piece. Both saws are made in Taiwan.
Hello from Moldova Europe...in my country dewalt dws780 costs $ 1,500 I was thinking about buying or not...But you're definitely convinced me ...in my country this price is enormous...I will work for three months for this tool..I think it's worth it..
DWS779 is discontinued
I am looking to buy but I am seeing some negative videos.
Is the 780 having quality issues?
Was wondering why I couldn’t buy any bessey clamps. Spencer owns them all.
That’s funny !!
I bought the 780 2+ years ago based on your recommendation. It’s a great machine. The value can’t be beat.
Great review. Seems great carpenters are becoming more popular these days and finally getting recognized. Read a report a few months back that skilled trades are making a comeback in the wage war due to many retiring or passing away. Been a carpenter my entire life. I'm 57 now and although there were some lean times, I wouldn't trade being a carpenter for any job.
Would love a segment of your handmade saw stand wings. I have the 779 with the light kit from Dewalt added on and the same Dewalt saw stand but dislike the narrow platform. Your setup looks spot on. A video on that stand and jobsite set up would be much appreciated.
Thanks for the video! I have my Kapex for 8 years now with no problems or adjustments to be made, I was using it every day at construction sites for about the first 4 years, now using the 12" Dewalt Flexvolt on a Ridgid wheeled stand daily and the Kapex for when I need to cut repetitive panel moldings or just window and door casings, love both saws, for dust collection on the Dewalt I use the Rousseau hood and the best 12" blade I found so far that works great against deflection is the CMT 90T.
Spencer I’ve got the dw 708 . It’s the best saw I’ve ever had in 40 years . I calibrated it and it’s spot on in both planes . Your abs spot on what you said about the blade . Thank you
Best review of the Dewalt 780 I have seen! I just subscribed to your channel! Thanks again for the taking the time to do the video review.
I’ve had the Dewalt DWS779 for not even a month and it’s an amazing tool. The feel of it and the build, I can tell it’s going to last me years.
Thanks Spencer, I have been trying to figure out all the different model numbers. I have to replace mine, it's 20 years old and I have ran it into the ground. But I will say it has not only cut trim with it but loads of framing lumber, timber post, and don't yell at me but aluminum handrails as well. This is a big help.
Hello from Easton Maryland. I’m so glad you do this video. I have my miter saw 708 since 1996 and is still running well. I do some electrical wire repair and trigger repair and bushing repair just one time in each one and is still working perfectly. Last year I got the 780 and you’re perfectly right. I was looking for the best in every way and the dust collector is not perfect but is the best miter saw in the market. Tank you to share with us all your experience. Stay safe.
Same here in Delaware; I got my 708 factory refurbished in 2003 and it still purrs like a kitten every single day
My 23 year old Dewalt 12” miter saw is still going strong. The 1st gen is perfection in a miter saw. I have used the newer versions and they don’t compare. Honestly you need to find an older saw and try it out you will understand the difference. Words from 45 years as a trim carpenter.
Thank you for putting together this video. I have been trying to decide between the Makita LS1219L and this DeWALT DWS780. I have read some reviews that some of the Makita units need to have a piece of wood placed between the rails and cranked to get the rails to align with the blade. When you consider the fact that I'd be paying $700 for a saw that needs that type of adjustment out of the box, I realized I could get the DeWALT *and* a stand for the same price and similar performance. I've seen the work you do and it makes me more confident that this saw is not just for framing - it can handle the fine finish work I will be doing.
Thank you for making this video. I abhor those who make purchases (especially for their business) that are based upon the Gucci factor, You know, the guys with the $70,000 pickup "work" trucks that have bed covers and no lettering (or worse: illegible fancy lettering) to muck it up. You know the same guys that purchase $400 coolers that weigh more empty than most others when full and $40 matching coffee mugs...sorry, you got me going. I have owned 2 Dewalt DWS series and I feel the same way. One is 8 years old and has the same zip as when new. I love your pragmatic approach to life and business; may the thinker (as opposed to the impulsive "feeler") always prevail. God Bless you and your family.
I agree. If I am meeting with a contractor that’s driving a GMC Denali, first thing I’m going to ask is if I am paying for my home or his truck.
I’m with you always have had good luck with dewalt tools love your channel lots of good information from a professional carpenter
Bought a 779 and found a light kit for an additional $75 a few months back. It is heavier but I use a rolling stand so the weight isnt an issue for my applications. I’m very happy with the performance, savings over the 780 and overall quality.
I added the light kit too. It was easy. I am not so sure about the weight. Every time I have looked at them at a store I see nothing at all different other than the light.
Yep, love my 780.
Today I bought DCS361 7-1/4-in (184mm) cordless sliding compound miter, bought it for flooring so I can keep it right there on the floor with me.
I bought the cordless mini mitre saw a year ago for small jobs and to be portable and I love it for that. Mine came with a fence that was pretty bad but I can still get good miters
Great video. I have been using a DeWalt DW708 for 20+ years and it still runs and performs as it did new. I like how you discussed the issue of calibration of saws. I can agree with you on that topic 100%. My saw at some point wouldn’t cut accurate. Took it to BD/DeWalt store and had a service done on it. Turns out original fence was bent/warped. Had new fence installed and saw serviced for a fraction of the cost of a new one back then. Just completed a interior board and batten job for my own house and my saw did everything I wanted and expected it to do. No real need to go out and buy another saw at this time. One last note, definitely purchase the best saw blades that can be resharpened. The cost to have them resharpened is very affordable in most parts of the country. Thanks again.
Just picked one up last week when the motor on my 12" Flexvolt gave up the ghost. Looking forward to using your other videos to tune up the new 780. Thanks man!
My 12” 120v max also died on me! I can’t bring myself to buy another!
Thank you for taking the time to make another informative video. I recently purchased the Gen 2 12” Delta Cruzer. So many people told me not to because of the deflection. I found that not to be the case at all. I actually found more deflection on the Festool due to the awkward unnatural position your wrist needs to be in when making cuts.
I also tend to agree with your take on Festool. They make precision tools that accomplish the tasks they were designed to accomplish (at a staggering price) but they don't seem to be rugged enough to withstand real world use. Back in 2008 I had a job replacing several doors in a carpeted office building and had to set up in the hallway. Knowing how much sawdust my Porter Cable 126 planer spews out I thought I would try the Festool H 850 E planer (at the time $560) and the CT-22 dust extractor (at the time $520 plus $200 for a permanent cloth bag) to contain the dust. I must say that I was stunned at how well the dust extraction worked at containing the mess but in the subsequent years the dust extractor has literally self destructed due to how brittle the plastic they used is. The planer is excellent, and I still use it to this day and I still can use the dust extractor but it has several chunks missing and none of that damage is as a result of abuse from me. I don't think the saying. "you get what you pay for" really applies to Festool. I don't mind paying an exorbitant price for a tool as long as it is, by far, the best tool available. In the case of Festool I think it's more mystique than reality. BTW: To replace that setup today I would have to pay $733 for the planer and $1,045 for the dust extractor with cloth bag. By comparison in 2013 I paid $593 for my DWS780 sliding compound miter saw; today it would set me back $645......a little bit different rate of inflation. All prices include sales tax
Hey Spencer - I switched from the DWS780 to the Kapex this last year for the UG cart/wings and dust collection. I'm with you on the DWS780 being an incredible saw. I held out as long as I could but being primarily in a basement shop I needed the dust collection to be better. I really miss that LED shadow line though.
Hi boss , I was having issue with dust collection. I purchased a rousseau 5000 dust hood . It works awesome for working in finished areas . Thx for the info on the saw blade .
Thanks for showing all the pros and cons for the saws and helps in making decision for purchasing best saw for the buck.
There’s a channel called the building guru that has a fantastic tutorial series on how to make that 780, 100% machine square.
I have a bit of a testimony with this saw cabinet installing with it for 7 years. In my opinion the 780 is perfectly accurate for trim and general carpentry. It took me a lot of effort to do many high skilled jobs but I got a ton of great work done with it, and there’s plenty to like about it. I loved the light on it but found it useless as a blade indicator because the shadow isn’t hardly even visible from full extension and not crisp until the blades basically touching the work piece so I don’t consider the 780 to be equipped with a blade indicator at all imo.
I went through 4 of the 780’s in 3 weeks just taking them home, setting them up and finding the fence and/or base was twisted out of plane, so the blade couldn’t be squared to both sides of the fence. After going through all 4, I found they all had the same fence wing issue, and while taking them off and sanding them down perfectly flat (in plane) I found the channels they slide in were machined out of plane, so even after machining the fences flat, as soon as I adjusted either one out a bit, left/right, they were out plane again so it wasn’t possible to totally fix that issue no matter what.
Also, after finding this issue in all 4, in 3 weeks the rep said he wouldn’t exchange me another saw, and the Bosch and Makita’s at the time had noticeable issues of their own that I didn’t want to deal with, so I just stuck it out with the 780.
After going through the rest of the saw I found that while the centre base was relatively in plane to the side bases, it went out of plane when moved left or right, so again it was a problem that could not be fixed because the platform the Center base sits on was out, so even when I machined all 3 bases to be in plane while at 0°, it would go out of plane to the left and right.
That’s 2 separate issues that could not be totally fixed. So I basically had to resort to drawing a square line or whatever angle I needed on every piece I needed high accuracy on, and just tried to follow it. As unfortunate and shitty as it was, it was possible and I made it work for years.
I found out years later that the 780 was made in Mexico and another country so I assumed the one factory was just phoning it in for a cpl years, because I found both of those issues in 5 other new saws after that, totalling 9 saws, including my cousins new 780 he bought 2000 miles away and a year after I got mine.
Either way, moral of the story must be #NotAll780s and #NotAllKapex lol because I had just as shit of an experience with the 780 as you had with the Kapex, and now am just as happy with my new Kapex as you are with the 780. Although I do wish the less expensive saw that worked out for me. Lol
Spencer I just found and subscribed to your channel.... Fantastic work!!!! In the last 2 yrs I've got turned onto festools love them . I just bought the KS 120 REB saw about 9 months ago I hope I don't run into the same problems you had.. l replaced it with my dewalt DW705 l've still got that saw works great after 20 plus years.. l went for the Kapex saw for its dust collection hooked up to the CT26E vacuum and knew how good the quality is in everything I own festool..
I bought the 779, it was on sale for about 280 at my local home depot, and I bought the xps light online for around 50 bucks.
Is that the only difference between the two models?? I recently bought the 779 on sale too. Didn’t realize it didn’t have the light until I used it the first time
Same here, bought it on sale plus a veterans discount. Adding the XPS light was a very easy upgrade/mod and saved a bunch of money.
He mentioned the 779 being heavier, I haven't compared, but my saw doesn't travel, so if that is the case a heavier saw is actually better.
@@lyleconway6795 He said in the video they are made in different places. He thought the 779 was made in another country. Also didn't hold up as well as the 780. Being abused. But he did say they were both good saws.
I have the 779 where do you get the light?
@@73ryan check his links. Might be there. Otherwise I'm sure Dewalt will have a part number to look up.
I agree with all he says. One other point I'd like to add is that the blade guard is great. You can hold it with your trigger hand to keep it out of the way for accurate cuts. The Kapex runs on the inside and gets in the way at times.
Hi just a word on the Kapex motor situation; I was at the last AWFS show in Vegas and talked with a German factory rep at the Festool booth and voiced my concerns about the weak motor on my Kapex and all reported motor failures. He handed me a piece of 8/4 oak and said try the new Kapex with motor upgrade. I did and I can tell you what a difference. It didn't bog down at all. He also told me that since my saw was still under warranty, to send it back and Festool would replace the motor with the new upgraded one at no cost. They did and now I'm much happier. Like you said though, time will tell!
That’s good to hear.
Thanks Spencer I have had my 780 for 5 years and it just keeps on running!
The 12" Dewalt slider saw is the answer for large crown or base moldings cutting vertical or flat. We commonly use them on commercial jobs.
If you have the touch and patience, the stock blade will work.
I bought the 779, as I did not see the light being worth $100 to me. But beyond happy with the saw. Much better than the Delta Cruzer it replaced.
After watching your video I pulled the trigger on the 780. I’m planning on using it only for diy stuff so it’s probably an overkill, but it’s nice to know that I can use it for pretty much anything. I can’t even count how many times I purchased lesser of a tool and then regretted it due to its limitations.
It'll be a great saw for you for a long long time.
How's it still working for you?
Dewalt 780 hands down the best I’ve used my for 6. Years and calibration only twice Aside from the tweet here or there after changing out a new blade or something the best songs ever heads down I agree with you Spencer
i do have a vacuum hooked up to my DW780 and i feel it gets a lot of the dust. Then add the hood from fast cap and you can cut inside a lived in house. Great video!! preaching to the choir.
These saws have improved over the years too. I bought one when they first came out and just bought another new one. There is quite a bit of difference in the miter tables. The new one feels much more accurate and positive on the detents.
I had a small piece of wood jam the blade on my old one which stopped the saw dead and caused a lot of run out on the blade. I looked at replacing the parts and it was cheaper to buy a new 779 than to replace a few parts in the arbor box on the old one. The old one is still good for rough cutting 2x4's and such, but now no good for precision work.
I'm going to add the light to the 779 saw as well. If you cut dark stained trim it's hard to see the pencil marks and a light would really help there.
I second the notion of how much power miter saws have evolved over the years. For years I used a Delta 10” miter box with a cast iron table & zero clearance insert. I’d built a wooden fence extension base for it; it served my needs well. Unfortunately the saw was stolen a little while ago.
The silver lining to the story is that I bought a Dewalt 12” (non-sliding) double bevel compound miter saw (DWS716) to take its place. (I also have a Delta SawBuck for larger material). The design of the Dewalt is miles ahead of the Delta miter saw. It’s much more easily and completely adjustable. It’s motor is biased to the rear and belt driven - so it’s not in the way of thicker material you’re cutting. Even with the cheapie blade that comes with the saw, the cuts are glass smooth. (I’ll buy an FS Tool or Tenryu blade when the OEM blade dulls.). It’s equally solid to the 10” Delta, but tons lighter and better balanced - so much easier to move.
I love everything about my Dewalt, but one feature I love the best, are the ribs on the blade guard. They allow me to use my thumb to hold the guard up while pulling the trigger. Comes in very handy when eyeballing the line sometimes... Now you have me envying your buck eighty blade!!! Guess I don't need it since I don't do production...lol
That point never gets brought up lol. I do the same thing and every time I’m looking at another saw it’s stuff like that (the little things) that keep me with Dewalt
@@toolman101476 I had a 10” DeWalt for years then bought the 10” Makita and the first thing I noticed after the fact was the blade guard! It took quite a bit of time to get use to not flipping it up with my thumb.
Great saw. I have mine 14 years and still as good as anything on the market
I had a Dewalt 779 for awhile and it is a great saw but I was storing under my bench and it was heavy to move I ended up selling it. The extra capacity was overkill for me who is simply a hobbyist and not doing this for a living. As a mechanic for 15 years who owns a lot of Snap On tools I can appreciate quality tools but the Kapex is so incredibly overpriced compared to other mitre saws I don’t even consider it for any mitre saw comparison. I had a Bosch glide for awhile and the glide mechanism was amazingly smooth but it had a lot of head deflection even when locked for chopping. It could have been user error but I did not have the issue on any saw before or since. Great video and sweet shop!
You are 100 percent honest. I own 3 dewalt saw the last 10 years. Ind I don’t think I will ouwn any ather saw . I tried Bosch. Makita. Festol. Hitachi. Miter saw . None one is for me. Just Dewalt.thanks for your video so all the carpenters can see.
As trim guys there is a reason we run the DeWalt my first slider was the 708 it was great and they just keep getting better and staying tough
I have a DWS780 and a Bosch 12'' with the front levers, I like them both
I am not a big Dewalt fan but I do own and love my 780. It is a beast.
I’ve had a lot of saws over the years but the 780 has bees the most durable saw of the bunch.
As a stair builder I do like the new Makita slider and it’s ability to cut boards to 60 degrees left and right. but it weighs a ton and still only has a laser.
I have the 12" Makita as well & you're right it is "heavy". Also Makita Detent Plate is made of aluminium & the plate detents wear with time due to the pin/detent in/out friction. Steenwoodwork.com is currently selling a Laser Etched Stainless Steel Detent Plate that fits both the 10" & 12" Mitre Saws for $110. I live in UK & don't know if he will deliver overseas?
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The new Makita 40V cordless miter saws have the led and stainless detent plate. Hopefully that makes its way to the corded models. I really like the forward slide rails and upfront bevel knob on the makita.
I just bought the 780, Thank you for a very informative video
I couldn't agree with your review more. I am a finish carpentry contractor, like you, and I landed on the same two choices for miter saws (DWS780 and DW716). The DW716 is my primary choice for a jobsite saw. It is a little lighter and takes up less real estate in the truck than the DWS780 and it can handle almost all the widths I deal with on a daily basis. I purchased the DW716 in 2011 to replace a DW706 (purchased in 2003). There was nothing wrong with the DW706, the DW716 just had enough improvements to warrant the upgrade (lever lock instead of a twist lock and the LED light). That is one of the things I like most about DeWalt tools; they are constantly evolving and improving. Back in 2000, when I first had jobs that required cutting wider material, I got the DW708 (DeWalt's first stab at sliding compound miter saws). It was a good saw but the rails were mounted vertically which tended to allow a little side to side deflection. I think there were a couple of subsequent models but in 2013 when I saw DeWalt had addressed all the shortcomings of previous models I purchased one....no regrets. I agree, the dust collection may not be the best, but it is world better than the DW708 was. After a little required tweaking on both saws the accuracy is excellent. In fact, surprisingly, the DWS780 is a shade better than the DW716. BTW: The DW716 says "made in Mexico".....for some reason that makes me feel better than "made in China". Just me, I guess. Wonder if we'll ever see "made in the USA" again? Enough rambling.
I also tend to agree with your take on Festool. They make precision tools that accomplish the tasks they were designed to accomplish (at a staggering price) but they don't seem to be rugged enough to withstand real world use. Back in 2008 I had a job replacing several doors in a carpeted office building and had to set up in the hallway. Knowing how much sawdust my Porter Cable 126 planer spews out I thought I would try the Festool H 850 E planer (at the time $560) and the CT-22 dust extractor (at the time $520 plus $200 for a permanent cloth bag) to contain the dust. I must say that I was stunned at how well the dust extraction worked at containing the mess but in the subsequent years the dust extractor has literally self destructed due to how brittle the plastic they used is. The planer is excellent, and I still use it to this day and I still can use the dust extractor but it has several chunks missing and none of that damage is as a result of abuse from me. I don't think the saying. "you get what you pay for" really applies to Festool. I don't mind paying an exorbitant price for a tool as long as it is, by far, the best tool available. In the case of Festool I think it's more mystique than reality. BTW: To replace that setup today I would have to pay $733 for the planer and $1,045 for the dust extractor with cloth bag. By comparison in 2013 I paid $593 for my DWS780 sliding compound miter saw; today it would set me back $645......a little bit different rate of inflation. All prices include sales tax
That is 100% absolutely true. You have to calibrate a saw right out of the box no matter what kind it is. Even if it was perfect from factory, think about the shipping and handling and it banging around over thousands of miles.
Thanks for all your informative videos Spencer. I always learn something from each of them. I recently had the motor fail on my DWS780 type 1. Have you ever had any motor issues? Unfortunately my saw is about three and half years old so no longer under warranty. Even worse Dewalt no longer manufactures the "field" to repair it. I'm in the market for a new saw and a little reluctant to buy another DWS780. That said other than the motor failure it was a great saw.
My dewalt saws have been bulletproof. They do require the brushes to be replaced every few years of constant use. But thats it.
I had the flexvolt version which was rugged and accurate. I just couldn't handle the dust collection issues due to the nature of my work. I tried the "new" kapex but straight out of the box it was damaged. Swapped it out, another one damaged. Walked away after having my hands on 2 different kapex saws in a week. Can't pay that and have to replace parts on day one. Now, running the Milwaukee 12" and 7-1/4" depending on the job. The dust collection is a huge step up from the dewalt and I really can't say enough about how I love the lightweight aspect. My 12" weighs about 47 lbs and the 7-1/4 is something silly like 28lbs. I will say I miss how my dewalt stayed calibrated. For whatever reason I feel like that saw only needed a checkup once a month. The milwaukee, I definitely check it every job and commonly need a small shift.
Took your advice on the 780 last summer and have been happy with the results. Now just need amazon to start selling some of your stealth wings.
I have been running my 780 daily for 14 years and its still going strong. replaced bearings 2 years ago but thats it
With dust collection I use the Rousseau 5000 mitersaw dust hood and it works great for me. You should try it.
I love my dewalt saw and stand.. It works great and I have had it for several years.
Just watched your video a few days ago. I watched another youtuber talk about the 780 as well. I just put an order in for the 780. I found it for the same price as the 779!!
Be watchful with the light going out on it
Great video. Ide like to also point out that the 779s motor is manufactured with lower quality parts. This is actually where they saving come from from what I've gathered.
i have the DWS779 and i love it. next time i will buy the 780 just for the light. my employer owns a few of the new Bosch 12" miters and they're really good. although i do like the ergonomics of the Dewalt much better and that's probably just because I'm so used to it.
You're awesome my guy! I really appreciate all your content.
Love love love my 716xps. I went with that vs the 779 at the time for the best I could afford without the size concerns and weight. I am very happy with it. It is a beast for sure lol
You can't beat the 716 for accuracy.
@@InsiderCarpentry it is also a confidence booster.
I'm on my 3rd 779. I absolutely love them and I don't know a single other carpenter in my orbit using anything but a 779/780. They are just literally the best miter saw for the money on the market. The only thing I don't like is having to reach behind to bevel. I wish it was up front like the Bosch. It's the only thing I don't like about the saw but given the huge vertical cut capacity I don't bevel often.
I couldn’t agree more with everything you said. The contractor I work with periodically has a 780 he bought 5-6 years ago. It’s taken an absolute whooping and cut a boatload of stuff. However, you could have taken it one step further and mentioned the 12” Flex Volt version of this saw if you want to dive into the deep end of the pool. It’s hard to put a dollar value on being cord free although the AC adaptor comes with it. And, those 60 volt batteries are compatible with all the other DEWALT tools you have laying around, especially if you want to plug em in and run all day. I absolutely love mine and do not regret one penny of what it cost me.
Great video! I was strongly considering the DeWalt but ended up getting the new Kapex mostly because it came with an angle transfer device. But for real I chose the kapex for the dust collection and all the other positive things you said about it. My Makita 10” is awesome and so is my baby DeWalt 7 1/4 but both of them don’t have the dust collection I’m looking for, even when hooked up to a vacuum.
Just got the DWS780 home. Used one but like barely as they could have convinced me it was new, never used. Paid $250 with the stand which is also new. Good deal and I would take it all day long but........ My first impression is I like my old Ridgid 4221 better. It has everything this 780 has including the shadow line, and everything is about 3" bigger. The rip capacity, the fence width, the depth on the side where you mount the wings, and although I hear everybody saying these belt driven saw's are smoother than direct drive, I don't notice any difference other than the Dewalt seems to have more torque. So much so that it shoots up in the air when I pull the trigger. I'm sure I would get use to that after some use but I'm not cutting 6x6's all day so I'm not sure I need all that torque. This may be a case of liking what I know but I think I'm just going to list it for $400 and hang on to the old Ridgid. Everything I own is Dewalt minus the Miter Saw, so it's not like I am a Ridgid lover, I just honestly like the Ridgid better.
My vote is for the Milwaukee 12" slide
Reasons:
1) Digital read out in 1/10 of a degree. Many times you need the precision of moving just slightly. So you try to move your cutting head... and you have to make a cut to see if the head moved?? To answer the question....did it move at all, move backwards, or forward too moch?? This is where the sensitive Digital read out shines!! Example: odd angle joint. You wish to make a miter crown joint. You devide that angle in half. Let's say it's 37.6° . Now you can write it down and accurately return later . This is extremely helpful especially if you are sharing the saw with other crew members !!
2) slyde/head stiffness or rigidity. Pull the cutter head all the way towards you. Lock both the pivoting and head travel down. Now left hand on the saw base and right hand on the cutting head. Test for sideways stiffness!! The Milwaukee is the winner by far compared to all other saws !! This yields a better cut under load. A better joint under load!
3) great double light!
4) 3 year warranty
Once you use the digital read out....you will never go back!!
just jim
What exactly do you mean by digital readout? What does it display?
@@kjk7225 the saw head moves in 2 different ways. The head can pivot or tilt. Let's say you are cutting baseboard or chairail in a room that is retangler. There is no need to tilt the head.....mearly pivot the head to 45° and if the corner is "truly square.....cut. the digital read out (numerical numbers on the small screen) will show actual numbers
...45°.
If the corner is not square and you devide the angle....lets say it is less then 90°..... maybe it's 89.8° when you devide the angle equally....you will see these actually on a screen as opposed to a crude pointer on a radius scale.
Like a clock indicating time....old fashion....hands pointing to a clock face.....vs a digital read out on your microwave......
@@jimknowles5483 thanks Jim... the digital feature sounds unique to Milwaukee...
@@joemartines3545 Joe, the other competitors do not have the digital read out. They and most carpenters don't realize how insanely important and accurate that precision is!! Besides my saw, I have only seen 2 other 12" Milwaukee slide saws like it. People just don't know.....!
just jim
@@jimknowles5483 Jim, is your saw cordless or corded?
I discovered that the holes drilled for my fence system were all off from the factory. The bevel on the screws pull the entire system pull both sides out by a half degree. From both left and right sides cut at 90.5 degrees
I’ve used Dewalt 12 chop and then 12” slide compound for 25 yrs no problems. You are 100 on using quality blades. Kapex is way to expensive and not any better. As far as the dust goes well that’s what brooms are for. When you trim out a house there will stuff all over the place anyway.
Well said.
Great Saw. I run the same saw but use 10'' blades on it. I lose some cut capacity but 10'' blades are a bit cheaper for what I need.
Great idea. That's why I was holding onto my 10.
I have the DWS779 and it is identical in all specs to the DWS780, same weight exactly. The only difference (confirmed with Dewalt BTW) is the XPS work light, which I added to mine with a $75 kit that replaces the handle with a 780 handle. 779 is about $150 cheaper. 100% agree that the light changes the game dramatically... worth the investment. Also agree on the cheap Dewalt blades, they're junk... spend some $ and get a good blade. It's a great saw!
The 779 is 14 lbs heavier , there are more differences than just a light.
I have 779 and 780.
I think they weight the same but the cheaper one is missing a lot. Blade stop and angle lock are a huge deal for me. Depends on what you need it for. Both work great
This is simply not true….. and of course Dewalt CS will confirm this is the only difference. Based on specs, it is an accurate statement. However, the 780 has a more commercial grade motor (same specs/different quality) as well as better bearings, etc. I have confirmed this with a local service center. The parts lists are different.
Great video great topic
Just because I saw cost more does not make it better (we all know what sawI’m talking about).....
I’ve watch guys for years use the Hitachi and Dewalt saws for a reason Good quality at a fair price. I have the Dewalt!! Another point is getting used to your own saw it doesn’t matter what saw it is.
I have the DWS790 and agree with everything said in this video (including the need for better dust collection 😉)
When I chose a dewalt slider a decade ago it was mainly because compared to other brands the stand was lightyears ahead (it collapsed tightly, had twice as much extension on the supports etc). I also thought there might be an advantage to having the rails/sliders in the "closed" position when cutting right next to the fence (I.e. cutting base vertically, potentially less deflection with the rails closed). Good video Spencer thanks for the link to the tall fence too!
I like the DWS780. Just a note, I have an older Dewalt 12" miter that did not come with a light. I found that Dewalt sells an optional light for mine model and it works great!
Thanks for giving us your deep dive into your saws. Your speaking ability behind the camera has really grown.
What are your thoughts about the Bosch and the Delta articulated arm saws for use in construction?
Thanks, I try and make better videos with each upload.
Bosch sent me an axial glide. There was so much movement in the saw head that I never even bothered to use it. I can't speak to the delta.
@@InsiderCarpentry That sounds disturbing for sure. I’ve never had the opportunity to try one or to know someone who owns one. I wonder if that play can be adjusted out during saw calibration? I enjoyed that video you did on calibrating your saw and appreciated how much time and effort you spent making it what it should have been.
@@InsiderCarpentry have you ever used the Milwaukee 12inch slider (corded) and if so what were your thoughts in comparison ?
Great video. I personally run 706-716 and the Dewalt 10” slider. Great saws for the money.
Do you have plans to do a video on job site lighting?
I noticed your large 360° LED light sitting on your bench
I know it hasn’t been tested for longevity, and it was a risk, but I bought the Hercules 12” from Harbor freight last year. It’s basically a dws780 clone. It has been perfect for me, very accurate out of the box, and cuts through anything I’ve thrown at it. With the deals at the time it was $279.99, which was the best deal I could find.
I was going to buy the DWS780 until the Hercules came out so waited about another year to see how it played out. I also wanted to put my hands on both to access the quality of each. In the end the two were near identical so went Hercules route since it was 1/2 the price. Everything stated in this video can be said for the Hercules saw at a lower price point.
Lately I've been searching for reviews and opinions regarding miter saw vs table saw sled so I guess that is why this video popped up on my suggestion feed. It may be confirmation bias or even where I am (more to the point, where I'm not) with my skill level but I feel like I can get very accurate cuts with my Hercules 12" saw. I also found it to be accurate right out of the box and it has not failed to perform well with anything put to it. Another thing I noticed was the laser cut expansion slots on the stock blade. That's the extent of what I know about it but, as I understand it, that is better than the stamped blades. I deliberately searched the comments to see if anyone else mentioned it. Yours and the reply from msk3905 are exactly what my thoughts are...or vice versa lol.
I'm on my second cheaper one, first one went fifteen years and still use for exterior finish. Totally agree best saw, ease of controls second to none. Battery operated stationary tools (miter saw, table saw, compressor) ridiculous gimmicky waste of money.
After research not only the light, but the bevel knob is plastic, no bevel stops on the sides for those angles used in trim, and the much smaller fence on the 779 vs 780.
I just ordered one. Sadly, it's factory refurbished but I got it for $475 and my multi coverage on my current plan with Amazon covers it completely.
It's the same one in your link. It links to the reconditioned one.
Always had good luck with factory reconditioned so I hope this one is the same
Great presentation! Very well embased. Congratulations and thanks a lot! It will help me very much!
I just got my Milwaukee 12” in today but I’m so glad you knocked those festool fanboys off their perch. It’s about time someone said that
great channel! I'm newly subscribed and have been wanting to comment but usually I watch on our Smart TV and there's no ability to comment there. I really think you're an awesome person and a great carpenter! But on this topic I'm gonna have to push back! DeWalt is ok, they've come on strong the last 10 years or so but they're late to the game with sliding miter saws. My MADE IN JAPAN Makita LS 1013 is a lot more refined than the DeWalt and I bought it 20+ years ago....for instance the trigger has a soft start feature that is really nice. I have a friend with this same 12" Dewalt saw and it "jumps" when you hit the start switch....maybe you get used to that after a while but it's just one example of the lack of refinement. I'm glad it works for your work flow Spencer but I just wanted to share with people reading that the DeWalt brand in general ain't really all that. The older Hitachi sliding saws were extremely well made too, before they started outsourcing all the production to China. I'm not hating on DeWalt, I have a few DeWalt tools such as a 16 gauge cordless nail gun that's pretty good, but overall just kind of "OK" and IMO over-rated. But I do understand that with the cordless stuff you kind of have to pick a brand and stick with it. For me it's Makita and I have a bunch of Bosch . Once again, great channel, keep up the great work
I am glad i went with the DeWalt 780, I love it!
Love my 780...Great saw and powerful with accuracy.. Xps light is the best.. But... Its very heavy and cumbersome.. So I use it on larger jobs preferably on the ground floor.. I use my makita 36v 190mm saw on small jobs as its lightweight but powerful.. Good review, thanks.
I just ordered a DWS780 based on this video (and feedback from non-carpentry friends). Great detail - and I MAY just order a better saw blade as directed.
I have a DWS780, and It's a great saw. However, it has a large tool depth from front to back. Due to changes in my workshop, I need a sliding saw with a smaller foot print front to back. Thinking about the Bosch GCM12SD or the Makita LS1219L. They both have a shorter tool depth from front to back, but obviously very different articulation mechanisms. I build custom furniture in a small shop and need a fixed miter saw setup, so unlike you, I don't need to travel with it. Not interested in the Festool. I mainly need 1) accuracy 2) dust collection 3) footprint depth.
I've been using the 780 since about 2012. It's my workhorse. I agree that the heavier blades are no problem for this saw. I've not even considered another saw. Great video.
Have another reccomendation for a good blade that isnt $200? I'd like a good blade but not $200 good
DeWALT makes the best tools. They always have. 🙏🏻👍🏻
No. Some DeWalt tools are amongst the best, some not. Same with all brands. Not a problem with corded but, with battery power, sometimes you have to compromise to stay on same platform. Now too old to invest in Mafell
@@cuebj
I'm speaking from experience. I've tried them all, from drills to saws, grinders to routers, nail guns to compressors, and the only one that lasts is DeWALT, specially when it comes to cordless. I've been in contruction for 18 yrs and that has been the case for me. Other brands just don't last.
Your video is right on the dewalt dws
Is best value...
I tried out a lot of
Saws and dws 780
Best accurate for
The money.
fyi if you have the time and are looking to save $100 or so you can get the 779 and buy an aftermarket xps kit. takes about half an hour to install, so if you plan on tuning up the saw out of the box it could be a good option to buy the 779 and a light kit for it.
I love my kapex and would never sell it. Great vid. Buy the incra guaranteed square.
I have had my Kapex for quite a few years now. Works great. Founded it dead accurate right out of the box. Size and weight is friendly to move about without feeling I should probably do a warmup before I decide to grab ahold of it like some other saws. Dust extraction while doing some remodeling work in the home is far superior then any other saw. I find the bevel controls easy to use and dial in exactly where you need it without having to reach in back of the saw like you do on the Dewalt. However I am not a production trim carpenter and don’t put any where near the use (and abuse) that this guys does I am sure. As he mentions the price for the Festool is a bit difficult to swallow and I feel the shadow line system is a better system. No regrets on the Festool but I would certainly give this saw consideration if/when I need to buy a new one
Great vid, thanks for sharing. Have been running a DW717 for a while now and was cleaning my blade today and noticed the cast arm is actually cracked! Could not believe it and they no longer make that part. Been looking at this as a replacement for it.
Great review and appreciate the knowledge base and comparing with other saws
Excellent. Just bought a 779. Making me want that 780 now though!
Another great video Spencer. Agreed on all points. I would like to clarify, I'm not sure where you're finding the weight difference. I've used both and they seem the same, and when doing a check online both saws spec out at 56lbs. But perhaps somewhere they've put out conflicting info. Anyway, the 780 is basically the 779 with the light added. The 779 usually runs $400 USD, while the 780 runs $600. If you don't mind spending an hour of time, people can buy the 779 , and then order the light for like $68 (full kit) and install it themselves. Voila...779 is now a 780! Of course if you don't mind the extra $ and don't want to mess around, just get the 780.
The older type 20 779 was 67 pounds. There also is a few more differences on the newer type 22 779 vs 780 (other than the light.)
@@jameshill4900 good info Thanks!
Very thorough and detailed review. I'm also a fan of 12" blades and Dewalt MS. For my workflow, I go with non-slider, relying on track saw when wider cuts are necessary. I also believe (superstitiously?) that non-slider is less prone to deflection by design. That said, if I still did much stair work, a slider would also be my choice.
Non sliders are definitely tighter. I love my 716, I just can't get by without the extra horizontal capacity of the 780.
Great great video!!!!
I'm going to wait to get the saw to check the deck vs stationary deck, fence to fence, etc before buying the expensive blade lol.
Awesome video from someone who uses it everyday all day...
Great info as usual. I own an older dewalt. Idk if it's a 779 or older. It's 17 yrs old. Still great. Dust everywhere.. lol. I use a dust hood when needed. But I wasn't to go cordless and foward sliders
In the trades for 44 yrs. Bar none the 780 Dewalt mitre saw is the most accurate saw out of the box, I’ve ever used!! Always make sure your material is firm against the back stop, if not your material will slam back against and potentially make the U shape back stop out of true!!
I had a 12 dont remember the model. only use for tall baseboards mainly MDF very little use the belt rip, brushes change and last time like 10 moths ago the motor burn. how ever my Dewalt 10 inch Still kick currently doing 800sq ft of parquett on 3/4 x 4 solid white oak. 6 days of heavy cutting. keep cutting 👍👍
Run out is different then deflection. That said, most of the problem comes from the rails. I've found sliders to be less acuarate, so I use a non slider for trim work that won't be painted.
Fully agree! I love my 780! Although, I still have a Hitachi 10" for small silly stuff. It is eaasy and light weight for simple things.
I have a 10" Hitachi, made in Japan.
Same here except I have the 779 and an old Hitachi 10 inch that I use for a lot of exterior trim work or all purpose
Still running my Japanese Hitachi. For trim work I feel that’s all the saw you need. Bought the new Chinese one, nothing like my 15 year old saw. Wish they still made them.