I sold and used tools for almost forty years and a lot of people don't understand the difference between impact and standard sockets. Impact sockets are not only thicker but softer material to take the pounding affect of the impact gun. Hard chrome sockets are designed for the torqueing while using a ratchet or breaker bar. Now not saying you can't use either in each others place(the hard socket will give quicker on a impact gun) but I've always heard people say they wanted the impact socket because it was the premium socket and the hard chrome was not. If you buy a premium socket no matter which one and use it as intended and take care of it it will last a long time.
Chrome sockets on an impact most often deform at the square section first, but also crack at the socket walls. I think I've split more chrome sockets with an 8 inch ratchet over the years than I've ever purchased, not to mention broken every breaker bar I've ever had. I switched to using exclusively impact sockets for anything 9/16 and up, and I can recall only once ever breaking one with a hand ratchet. I use a 40 year old proto ratchet as my breaker bar these days, no one makes a breaker bar that lasts more than a few uses.
1:34 The Bosch and Milwaukee sockets are both made in Taiwan. If you want to demonstrate a German made or USA made socket, then use brands that make sockets in those respective countries i.e. Gedore or SK Tools
I agree. US made brands would have been Proto, Mac Tools and Snap-On. Dont know any German brands but Czech tools would include Wera. This was basically cheap chinese socket vs multiple cheap Taiwanese sockets.
@@johnnycabra I would say cheap Chinese and slightly more expensive Taiwanese tools. And Taiwan produces some pretty good quality under brands that maintain good quality control. I also get that most home hobbyists don’t want to or can’t pay the price for the good made is USA brands, so buying Taiwanese at least still supports workers in a democratic free country. However I do trade work for a living so my tools are primarily SK, Williams and Wright with a smattering of stuff from Japan and Germany
They always try push Milwaukee as American but unfortunately it hasn't been a American company for almost 20 years it's owned by China and their tools are made with slave labor
It would be nice if you put a comprehensive table at the end of the video. Prices, weights, dimensions, breaking forces and, most importantly, the price/force ratios.
@@gafrancisco He only showed the data on the material thickness for two of the socket wrench hads. I guess that it is this parameter to correlate the forces with. Not the price nor the weight.
I would think the true test of a socket, is the amount of torque it will withstand fastening and removing a bolt or nut. The tolerance between the socket size and the bolt head or the nut is pretty important. I would not base a purchase decision on this demo with the little hydraulic press.
What people don't understand, it's not the socket, it's the nut. A nut gets rounded when too much torque is applied. The really nice sockets have a notch inside to grip the edges of a nut. An impact socket is actually softer metal that won't shatter under load.
@@vasantos-re4hb I had a 30 year old Craftsman 18mm socket 12 sided for 3/8" ratchet. I never used it until few days ago, to remove a sway bar bushing bracket from a Mercedes. It cracked before the bolt got loose. So, I got out Craftsman 18mm long socket 6 sided for 3/8" ratchet. It cracked also. I went to Lowes to see if they are going to replace the socket for free, and they did. The new Craftsman 18mm socket I got from Lowes as a replacement did not crack, and was able to remove the bolt.
This test is not relevant at all. A softer material with thicker wall would score better but what you want is a hard material with thin wall so you fit in more places and when it slips over a nut your tool is still good.
As a Taiwanese, my last job was as an employee of a tool factory, and I am an OEM for the world's major brand products. I am proud of the fact that quality creates reputation and brings a safer use environment.
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As a technical draftsman and technician in mechanical engineering, I am not so sure about the usefulness of this test. The force applied to the top of the nuts/tools only, is very different from the force during use. Simply increasing the outside diameter would greatly improve these results, but the inside contour would still likely be destroyed at the same torque. Could you do a torque test to see when the tool shears off so the results show the actual forces during use of the tool. There is also a big difference between between impact and standard tools! greetings from germany
Also elect/Mach engineer, what's not clear to me the force of forward/ reverse movement with coupling both ends of the test article and to what kgs will the bending points tested to accumulate the correct defective force of the subject in question, the formula pls to value your findings. Thanks
My understanding is that sockets are susceptible to stretching, with use, beyond the yield point of the material from which they are made. I think that the hydraulic press could be used to assess this, but only by measuring deformation of the sockets at various loads. The whole time that I was watching this presentation, I was wishing that a dial gauge had been set up to measure changes in the outside diameter of the socket. Destructive testing of this nature tells us very little, indeed.
The wall thickness determines strength (along with the material). Thin walls are very desirable because there is often little space. To be a fair test you should do thickness/breaking force.
@TorpedoX - Very true!! Plus people use impacts incorrectly too often. They are nice to get things snug, but then trying to get the proper torque on something is the best way to fully tighten nuts & bolts. If there’s no torque listed, then have fun!! 😂😂. Used to be in a tire shop and they staff would screw up and get lazy or stupid or both. One or another would tighten the crap out of a wheel and we would get a towing bill because of when the client would get a flat or try to rotate the tires themselves and they couldn’t get the lug nuts off or kept on snapping them. I would teach the staff again how to do it right and see what happened later. I would spot check and then the good employees would ask if I didn’t trust them,,,, it’s hard! We did keep record of who worked on what and if there were 2 vehicles by the same person with a problem, one before the first training and a second problem after we taught them again, they were fired. They would have had ample warning and opportunity to do it right. We would lose one or two staff a year, just for that thinking they could estimate the torque they were applying!!! Haha. That’s life I guess. It happened pretty routinely for over 40 years!! 😂😂
@TorpedoX The torque tables are for dry threads. The manufacturers of bolts do not allow grease or oil. Obviously the threads need the friction to work as planned.
Don't overlook the fact, the Bosch socket was a thin walled impact socket against the Milwaukee thick walled impact socket.. You're not comparing the same TYPE of impact sockets..
Germany tools are trash either way now and days you pay for made in Germany but they always do poor in tests like China made products or worse... I remember when Germany tools were top notch, trash now.
The old one appeared to be the shortest. And when you pulled fixture up on the press, it appeared to have witness marks lower on the snout like it had hit the square hole section of the socket. That would have compounded the hoop stress force and likely why it seems to explode evenly as it was loaded at the top and the bottom.
Tenho uns da force aq tem mais de 10 anos q uso na oficina e ta bem file ainda mas comprei uns de outra marca tem uns 5 anos e ja tive q substituir pq gastaram muito rapido
I must be some kinda strong then!! I have broken dozens of cheap sockets, big & small. When you have a 3 ft bar and are applying all the force you have on the end,,,, how much rotational force do you think you are applying? Mid level and up seems ok. The cheap stuff is generally crap. Especially when applying huge torque trying to break a nut loose.
Bosch (electronic) tools are mainly used in the private sector, if you really value good tools you will get something else anyway. That's why I also think that Bosch is really one of the very last representative "German" tool manufacturers, especially since in the end only the brand is German.
Please test tools which made in Germany (Remscheid, Solingen and so on) ... ! ... And: nobody use tool's in this way and with this force! ... Sensless and rediculous. ... 👎
So thick impact sockets are stronger than thin-walled chrome sockets?! I’m shocked! 🙄 Setting aside the fact that all the interesting tool brands are absent from this test for a moment…This isn’t really meaningful data. Increased durability through harder steel can make a socket more brittle, but still well within the range of the intended use. Also fit tolerance is important to pros. This test doesn’t have any real world benefit. As a retired tech I care about tolerances/ fit, wall thickness and durability (especially on impact sockets).
I have been using force impact sockets for a 11+ years now and they get used everyday on milwaukee impact guns of all sizes every day and they are just as good as snapon and only a fraction of the price. Shout out to trade tools in noosaville!
Bosch surprised me with being the weakest of the impact sockets. Milwaukee isn't the strongest, but it's what I use and love their products. Thanks for the vid!
It was very thick and material looked soft. Absolute strength is not the most important property. These are used by hand and should be strong enough not to break. Soft material can round out in use and if the wall is too thick, you can't fit it in many places. For my eye, bosch was probably the best. Should be strong enough, was hard material and the wall was thin. The question is, is it worth of money for all.
@@teropiispala2576 This was only the Bosch green one for hobby use. Test the Bosch blue nut for professional use. Much better as Bosch are other german companies like Stahlwille, Hazet or Gedore. They make tools for professional use.
Would have liked to see Snap-On and/or Mac Tools in the mix along with Harbor Freight. Milwaukee isn't the first brand that comes to mind in the US when it comes to sockets.
In 40 years of turning wrenches I never saw a socket break in same manner as your test...they wore out on the inside walls. Toughest tools I ever used were Hazet.
Note very coarse grain structure on the Old socket. Coarse-grained steel is more brittle even at the same hardness. Modern metallurgy has improved grain size and toughness by huge amount.
@@limyrob1383 I had a 30 year old Craftsman 18mm socket 12 sided for 3/8" ratchet, which I bought when I was still in Highschool. I never used it until few days ago, to remove a sway bar bushing bracket from a Mercedes. It cracked before the bolt got loose. So, I got out Craftsman 18mm long socket 6 sided for 3/8" ratchet from the same set. It cracked also. I went to Lowes to see if they are going to replace the socket for free, and they did. The new Craftsman 18mm socket I got from Lowes as a replacement did not crack, and was able to remove the bolt. The 30 year old Craftsman were made in USA, and new one is from Taiwan.
It appears to me that different metals were used. Those that resisted higher force broke in a more brittle fashion, while those that broke at lower force broke in a more ductile fashion. With the exception of the "old" one.
I was expecting the old one to do better than it did given it looked like it had thicker wall than some of the others, but suffice to say that materials engineering is better today than in yesteryear.
For being able to work on my seat rails in my 1970 BMW (Changing the seat to a decent version, not that flat and able to be angled) I had to buy a very expensive ARAG socket head, compared to my old HERO, which was too solid made. The last functioned fine besides in this case.
Everyone who actually uses stickers regularly know that sometimes only a thin walled socket fits in some spots. I've never in my life broken a socket but I have broken some bolts.
Every time a "tool in a hydraulic press" comes up, there's always some Milwaukee hate down here. Always. I know they're more expensive. But there's a mechanic here on youtube that says "cheap tools cost you money. Expensive ones pay you". I guess that's his way of saying "you get what you pay for."
SnapOn, Mack, S&K, Proto are American quality tool brand names. From chrome to hardened impact sockets. I tend to feel tools made 60 years ago are way better metal than in the last 30 etc. Not sure of exact timeliness. But you can feel the weight difference for sure.
This is the press channel. Also, a tapered mandrel, such as the one used, does create hoop stress in the socket. Torsion on the socket driving a fastener head creates hoop stress as well through a camming action. They are not exactly the same but I expect that a regression model could be developed to predict the strength of the sockets using either test. But it's still cool to break $h!+. (Destructive testing).
I break sockets with an impact wrench on a regular schedule because my boss buys cheap tools and those failures resemble these closley. The forces applied seem similar to me.
@@gabrieljordan9977 But it will fail under expanding every time because this is where the thinnest wall section is and the cutting of the hex or 12 point is the physical defect where the break will occur, so it is relevant.
the one with more sides, like the 12-sided one, will be stronger, as the pressure is more evenly distributed, on the other, it hits the tip, on larger surfaces on the 6-sided
Sadly I did try this out at home, I started out with a nice home, car, wife, and a hydraulic press the full deal, and then got hooked on these videos, now I live in ruins and assorted debris still with my Hydraulic press, I think I might need help with my addiction.
Unfortunately the forces shown breaking these sockets are unlikely to be replicated when they are used as intended. Sockets rotate. See if you can mange to test them that way. I lent a Britool socket to a friend when he was taking the head off a Rover 2600 (SD1) and he managed to break it. Replaced free of charge but I have never managed to break one myself.
Yes , sockets are meant to rotate , I wonders why testing them this way ? There is also difference in metalcomposition between impact sockets and regular ones , each should be tested in their own range .
my guess is it has, although not fully accurate, some correlation to the amount of outward pressure the socket can take before splitting, a particularly tight nut/bolt made of a really tough material could remain stationary while the socket turns as the socket stretches round the nut/bolt. i've split a few of sockets in my time, some through abuse (chromes on an impact wrench) others when used correctly, it's rare though as usually the nut/bolt just rounds off.
Most bolt heads on the engine and body parts in my 80series Land Cruiser have tapered heads so using 12 sided sockets is not a good idea. With these type of bolt heads the main contact area is right at the tip of the socket hence a lot stress in a small area of a socket
those things cost way more than $5 per socket. the best one made , is the old socket . it did not give as like the others did. now that wa a very good socket. impressive video. thank you .
In the UK I bought a complete Bosch set of impact sockets for around £20. That was an eight piece set in a wallet. Definitely same as the one tested. Bosch isn't seen as a premium brand, they license the name to all kinds of products as do Blaupunkt.
"Made in Germany" used to be a guarantee of quality. Now, "Made in Germany" is a guarantee of expensive repairs or premature replacement. Perhaps I shouldn't be so harsh, there are still plenty of premium products that leave their shores. But there's no shortage of garbage, either. I've taken thousands of dollars worth of "German Quality" to the tip, in recent years, and I'm not happy about it.
I've owned 3 Mercs. A '76 280 E, A '76 280 SEL and a 2004 C class Kompressor. The E and the SEL were outstanding cars. Lightyears ahead of the competition, for the day. The C class was pretty ordinary, I've got to say. Especially when it blew a head gasket! But not only that, it was a fairly poorly finished car, overall. A friend of mine, against my counsel, purchased a new C Class about 5 years ago. I never did say I told you so, but she got rid of it within six months. There was nothing good about it. Honda, Mazda and Toyota all make better cars, for less. I didn't even mention Lexus. Then there was my Miele stove top and oven, that I took to the tip, not too long ago. They started falling apart in only a few years. Screen printing on them was rubbish, the cooling fan in the oven kept failing, every control knob failed, the electronic "piezo" starters failed... rubbish. I've got Bosch power tools, too. Admittedly, they've held up well, but I'm only a home handyman, these days. It still didn't stop Bosch from selling me a battery that was faulty though. And what was the after sales service on that like, 3 month later. Another $160 Aud. down the drain. The only "nice" German things that I own now, are a dishwasher and an air rifle. @@robertsmelt6638
Your mistake was to expect that from this channel. There are other channels that do that kind of thing. This channel is just for watching things go crack-bang-smash.
So, according to your test parameters and results - the best wrench sockets would be those made from rubber, which would continuously deform and not fracture!
Cool video, very educational. Do you think the rankings would be the same if you did a torque test? You'd need new coupons for each test that are about ±5% dimensionally/Yield Strength, get at least 3 samples of each type of socket.
na minha opinião a q rachou no meio com 4 toneladas é a melhor de todas material duro não tem desgaste em uma oficinha q usa diariamente as outas pode aguentar até 70 toneladas mas é macia sem durabilidade a que rachou com menos peso é a melhor de todas obebençendo o torque é uma ferramenta q passa de pai para filhos e netos e bisnetos as outras não
The test doesn’t really mean a great deal, this situation would never be encountered anyway. It’s torsional strength they want to be testing. still, enjoyed it anyway.👍
In the beginning of the video, I think either your camera lens needed cleaned or there is a plastic film over the lens. Still pretty cool how they hold up.
El echo q se fabriquen en china no significa q sean de china se fabrican en china por qué la mano de obra aya es mucho más económica pero los materiales son de USA y otros países
@@QueenieTheDog They are equating a Harbor Freight Pittsburgh shop press with hydraulic jack cylinder with this medium sized dedicated hydraulic pump press. I have a Pittsburg '12 Ton' . Nice and square with bolts and welds.
La forma como el cono de la prensa ejerce la presión y extensión sobre el dado no es la misma que recibe durante el uso normal . No se qué tan significativos sean los valores obtenidos.
Did anyone see the grain structure on the “old” failed socket. It looked like sugar so it hasn’t been hardened properly, I recon it probably didn’t even go through normalisation cycles to refine the grain structure. I normally trust the old tools more than modern ones because they were built to last but these days they just aren’t.
True. Also Bosch is not really known to be a high-quality producer of mechanical tools, and afaik none of them is manufatured in Germany, but in China. For tools actually coming from quality brands and manufactured in Germany that actual mechanics or professional garages etc. would use, please refer to "Stahlwille", Hazet or comparable brands for a better comparison. You can also include Wera if you want a high-quality Czech brand in the mix as well.
I want you to compare these German brands. Idk what they do to them but they are THE toughest sockets wrenches “hand tools” I’ve ever used. Most don’t have never heard of them. But servicing large manufacturing machinery for 35yrs you won’t find a stronger socket… guaranteed!… first off is Stahlwillie brand very expensive but very reliable & highest quality possible. Using a torque multiplier loosening M24 bolts that require over 2000nm of force during assembly, was exceeding 2500nm when trying to break them free after 15yrs, With a 1” drive adapted down to 1/2” drive after breaking ever 1”, & 3/4” 32mm 6pt socket in North America (from memory probably 6 or 7) Stahlwillie not only made a socket, but took them all out & is still in service today! Those broken sockets were not cheap harbor freight shit, they were Snap On, Proto, Westward, & yes Crasftman… a few others I would guess to be as strong, are Wera, DeGeorge, Wima, & I know Theres 1 more I can’t think of that’s very popular. Id love to see tests that consists of strength by top manufacturers of industry leading Countries…. Im ashamed to say it, but I will…. I would bet USA, would barely out do China, or Taiwan! & I’m not sure of what other lesser known high quality tools are out there but they’d have a hell of a title to beat any of the manufacturers I listed above
Could you please calculate the '' Pressure (kg)÷ Price($)＝value(kg/$)'' ,as a reference plz ?😁😁 I would be really appreciate.😃😃 Thus l could see whether it is worthy to spend my money💵💰, and check how exactly every dollar could bear how much press.
Taiwan has been making high quality items for decades. Yes, they still make budget items. Some Taiwanese will buy high quality items that will last DECADES, while others will buy lower quality and just replace things in few years. I prefer quality. My bookcases and furniture are 25+ years old and no warping. (Good solid teak and oak....entirely...no thin fake stuff on back side) I prefer my Cannondale with Campy parts bicycle....but Giant has been making top quality bicycles for decades....high enough for use in races like Tour de France.
II believe Bosch screwing tools are produced in Asia. It’s an unknown label for screwing tools in Germany. In german industries and car repairshops Gedore and Hazet (made still in Germany) are the golden standard. A tool nut from hazet in metric 17 starts at 12 $. For high torquement using like brake caliper etc. it starts at 30$. We have no experiences in US-tools.
It would be nice if you put a comprehensive table at the end of the video. Prices, weights, dimensions, breaking forces and, most importantly, the price/force ratios. 2
It's made in Taiwan, not China. Taiwan is a separate country not a part of China. If its made in China then the socket would have broken before it reaches 1000 kg lol..
When will they slip or break when tightening a bolt is what I'd like to see. Of course an apples to apples, not a random handful. I always enjoy this channel though.
More importantly which ones are perfectly sized and remain so under torque, so as not to destroy the bolt or nut. Never managed to crush a socket while using it. Splitting a cheap one is quite doable.
Also the black 1s unless they say there not there normaly hardend steel were as the others are mostly ally hence why they bent an deformed rather than cracked
No one in Germany would use Bosch manual tools... Hazet, Gedore, Stahlwille are famous and really high quality tools.
Agree, well at least for sockets and the bigger tools. For impactscrew driver they actually have great bit sets but that's a different range of tools.
gedore is austrian isnt it?
@@niklasoswald7937 Nope, German
Bosch and würth build crap tools
Well Milwaukee tools are made in China so it’s even
I sold and used tools for almost forty years and a lot of people don't understand the difference between impact and standard sockets. Impact sockets are not only thicker but softer material to take the pounding affect of the impact gun. Hard chrome sockets are designed for the torqueing while using a ratchet or breaker bar. Now not saying you can't use either in each others place(the hard socket will give quicker on a impact gun) but I've always heard people say they wanted the impact socket because it was the premium socket and the hard chrome was not. If you buy a premium socket no matter which one and use it as intended and take care of it it will last a long time.
It was probably slightly less hard but less brittle too and more accurate
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Chrome sockets on an impact most often deform at the square section first, but also crack at the socket walls. I think I've split more chrome sockets with an 8 inch ratchet over the years than I've ever purchased, not to mention broken every breaker bar I've ever had. I switched to using exclusively impact sockets for anything 9/16 and up, and I can recall only once ever breaking one with a hand ratchet. I use a 40 year old proto ratchet as my breaker bar these days, no one makes a breaker bar that lasts more than a few uses.
1:34 The Bosch and Milwaukee sockets are both made in Taiwan. If you want to demonstrate a German made or USA made socket, then use brands that make sockets in those respective countries i.e. Gedore or SK Tools
I’ve got a set of Gedore. Was used daily for 20 years. No breakages.
SK or Wright are the only US made brands
I agree. US made brands would have been Proto, Mac Tools and Snap-On.
Dont know any German brands but
Czech tools would include Wera.
This was basically cheap chinese socket vs multiple cheap Taiwanese sockets.
@@johnnycabra I would say cheap Chinese and slightly more expensive Taiwanese tools. And Taiwan produces some pretty good quality under brands that maintain good quality control. I also get that most home hobbyists don’t want to or can’t pay the price for the good made is USA brands, so buying Taiwanese at least still supports workers in a democratic free country. However I do trade work for a living so my tools are primarily SK, Williams and Wright with a smattering of stuff from Japan and Germany
They always try push Milwaukee as American but unfortunately it hasn't been a American company for almost 20 years it's owned by China and their tools are made with slave labor
It would be nice if you put a comprehensive table at the end of the video. Prices, weights, dimensions, breaking forces and, most importantly, the price/force ratios.
Yes otherwise it’s really just a time wasting video
well u can do the table ... he put every data in there :)
@@gafrancisco Great idea... Do something for free that someone else gets paid for. 🤣
that would make him the "Project Farm"
@@gafrancisco He only showed the data on the material thickness for two of the socket wrench hads. I guess that it is this parameter to correlate the forces with. Not the price nor the weight.
Noname $4 - 3218kg
Force Taiwan $5 - 5580kg
Force Taiwan 6 face $5 - 6850kg
Force Impact $3 - 12280kg
Bosch Germany $17 - 7260kg
Milkwalkie USA $5 - 11086kg
OLD/Vintage socket - 4270kg
Noname $0.4
as usual the bosch is overpriced and underperforming
Thanks
Bosch made in Taiwan $15!
But is the Bosch and Milkwalkie sockets impact sockets?
I would think the true test of a socket, is the amount of torque it will withstand fastening and removing a bolt or nut. The tolerance between the socket size and the bolt head or the nut is pretty important. I would not base a purchase decision on this demo with the little hydraulic press.
What people don't understand, it's not the socket, it's the nut. A nut gets rounded when too much torque is applied. The really nice sockets have a notch inside to grip the edges of a nut. An impact socket is actually softer metal that won't shatter under load.
@@vasantos-re4hb I had a 30 year old Craftsman 18mm socket 12 sided for 3/8" ratchet.
I never used it until few days ago, to remove a sway bar bushing bracket from a Mercedes.
It cracked before the bolt got loose. So, I got out Craftsman 18mm long socket 6 sided for 3/8" ratchet.
It cracked also. I went to Lowes to see if they are going to replace the socket for free, and they did.
The new Craftsman 18mm socket I got from Lowes as a replacement did not crack, and was able to remove the bolt.
@@vasantos-re4hb I've had a socket break on me, so that's what I wanted to see.
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This test is not relevant at all. A softer material with thicker wall would score better but what you want is a hard material with thin wall so you fit in more places and when it slips over a nut your tool is still good.
As a Taiwanese, my last job was as an employee of a tool factory, and I am an OEM for the world's major brand products. I am proud of the fact that quality creates reputation and brings a safer use environment.
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As a technical draftsman and technician in mechanical engineering, I am not so sure about the usefulness of this test.
The force applied to the top of the nuts/tools only, is very different from the force during use.
Simply increasing the outside diameter would greatly improve these results, but the inside contour would still likely be destroyed at the same torque.
Could you do a torque test to see when the tool shears off so the results show the actual forces during use of the tool.
There is also a big difference between between impact and standard tools!
greetings from germany
This test is absolutely useless. Would be the same if cars were subjected to a diving test.
Also elect/Mach engineer, what's not clear to me the force of forward/ reverse movement with coupling both ends of the test article and to what kgs will the bending points tested to accumulate the correct defective force of the subject in question, the formula pls to value your findings. Thanks
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My understanding is that sockets are susceptible to stretching, with use, beyond the yield point of the material from which they are made.
I think that the hydraulic press could be used to assess this, but only by measuring deformation of the sockets at various loads. The whole time that I was watching this presentation, I was wishing that a dial gauge had been set up to measure changes in the outside diameter of the socket. Destructive testing of this nature tells us very little, indeed.
The wall thickness determines strength (along with the material). Thin walls are very desirable because there is often little space. To be a fair test you should do thickness/breaking force.
@TorpedoX - Very true!! Plus people use impacts incorrectly too often. They are nice to get things snug, but then trying to get the proper torque on something is the best way to fully tighten nuts & bolts. If there’s no torque listed, then have fun!! 😂😂.
Used to be in a tire shop and they staff would screw up and get lazy or stupid or both. One or another would tighten the crap out of a wheel and we would get a towing bill because of when the client would get a flat or try to rotate the tires themselves and they couldn’t get the lug nuts off or kept on snapping them. I would teach the staff again how to do it right and see what happened later. I would spot check and then the good employees would ask if I didn’t trust them,,,, it’s hard! We did keep record of who worked on what and if there were 2 vehicles by the same person with a problem, one before the first training and a second problem after we taught them again, they were fired. They would have had ample warning and opportunity to do it right. We would lose one or two staff a year, just for that thinking they could estimate the torque they were applying!!! Haha. That’s life I guess. It happened pretty routinely for over 40 years!! 😂😂
@TorpedoX - you are sooo correct! I am a big fan of the stuff!
Yo. Mr. Physics
Don't forget the heat-treating process is also important. Oil vs. Air vs. Water. Type of oil. The duration of the quench. The depth of the heat.
@TorpedoX The torque tables are for dry threads. The manufacturers of bolts do not allow grease or oil. Obviously the threads need the friction to work as planned.
Don't overlook the fact, the Bosch socket was a thin walled impact socket against the Milwaukee thick walled impact socket.. You're not comparing the same TYPE of impact sockets..
most Bosch tools are made by third party , I am not impressed with many Bosch tools I have bought over the time .Electric tools are ok
Germany tools are trash either way now and days you pay for made in Germany but they always do poor in tests like China made products or worse... I remember when Germany tools were top notch, trash now.
Milwaukee makes better tools..🇺🇸
@@rediron44 Hazet makes better tools than Milwankee
@@rediron44 made in Taiwan indeed
50 years turning wrenches tell me this test means nothing. How well it grips a nut or bolt without slipping is what matters
I bought many FORCE sockets many years ago without knowing it is the Best and Strongest here. And I still has it now.
The old one appeared to be the shortest. And when you pulled fixture up on the press, it appeared to have witness marks lower on the snout like it had hit the square hole section of the socket. That would have compounded the hoop stress force and likely why it seems to explode evenly as it was loaded at the top and the bottom.
Experimento interessante! Eu cheguei até a pensar que a soquete antiga ia ser mais resistente que as modernas...
Pensei a mesma coisa... fiquei surpreso com a pouca qualidade da Bosch e Millwalke em relação aquele Force de Taiwan
Tenho uns da force aq tem mais de 10 anos q uso na oficina e ta bem file ainda mas comprei uns de outra marca tem uns 5 anos e ja tive q substituir pq gastaram muito rapido
It’s nice to see that folks around the planet enjoy breaking stuff!!
I have a few cracked sockets and I now am impressed with how I managed to do it
Real talk - nothing you do in a garage requires 3000+ kg of force. In other works, the cheap stuff is more than enough for daily use.
I must be some kinda strong then!! I have broken dozens of cheap sockets, big & small. When you have a 3 ft bar and are applying all the force you have on the end,,,, how much rotational force do you think you are applying? Mid level and up seems ok. The cheap stuff is generally crap. Especially when applying huge torque trying to break a nut loose.
Real talk I break cheep shit all the time...
Not really. Cheaper weaker sockets will also deform under load and can round out the bolt or nut. Buy the best you can afford, but don't cheap out.
@peter - That should be mounted on a wall as art!! Haha.
@peter Somehow I don't think this is something the 82nd Airborne see, as they are heavily maintained powerplants.
Taiwan is not a Chaina
🇹🇼This is Taiwan （The Republic of China）which is the real china
🇨🇳The is PRC ，which is another USSR today, also ChiNAZI (Red nazis)
@@user-ci8ib6rd9s chinazi lol🤣🤣
China
@@ameeriyyad4061 Chaina
Not yet.
Bosch (electronic) tools are mainly used in the private sector, if you really value good tools you will get something else anyway.
That's why I also think that Bosch is really one of the very last representative "German" tool manufacturers, especially since in the end only the brand is German.
I miss the Hazet and Gedore tools.
and Stahlwille
Please test tools which made in Germany (Remscheid, Solingen and so on) ... ! ... And: nobody use tool's in this way and with this force! ... Sensless and rediculous. ... 👎
So thick impact sockets are stronger than thin-walled chrome sockets?! I’m shocked! 🙄
Setting aside the fact that all the interesting tool brands are absent from this test for a moment…This isn’t really meaningful data. Increased durability through harder steel can make a socket more brittle, but still well within the range of the intended use. Also fit tolerance is important to pros. This test doesn’t have any real world benefit. As a retired tech I care about tolerances/ fit, wall thickness and durability (especially on impact sockets).
Force makes excellent sockets, no worse than snap-on
I’ll remember this demonstration and be more careful the next time I’m using sockets for installing races with a cone shaped driver.
I have been using force impact sockets for a 11+ years now and they get used everyday on milwaukee impact guns of all sizes every day and they are just as good as snapon and only a fraction of the price. Shout out to trade tools in noosaville!
Bosch surprised me with being the weakest of the impact sockets. Milwaukee isn't the strongest, but it's what I use and love their products. Thanks for the vid!
I would've liked to see a regular flat top like the bottom instead of the pointed one, see them fail on actual down force instead of splitting them.
"Milwaukee at 5 dollars is a great deal!"
It was very thick and material looked soft. Absolute strength is not the most important property. These are used by hand and should be strong enough not to break.
Soft material can round out in use and if the wall is too thick, you can't fit it in many places. For my eye, bosch was probably the best. Should be strong enough, was hard material and the wall was thin. The question is, is it worth of money for all.
@@teropiispala2576
This was only the Bosch green one for hobby use. Test the Bosch blue nut for professional use.
Much better as Bosch are other german companies like Stahlwille, Hazet or Gedore. They make tools for professional use.
@@geronimo6323 Milwakee for 5$ - Bosch for 17$.. so what ? And 17$ for just one Nut is of cause not a hobby tool.
It’s the only one mounted backwards…..
Would have liked to see Snap-On and/or Mac Tools in the mix along with Harbor Freight. Milwaukee isn't the first brand that comes to mind in the US when it comes to sockets.
Milwaukee isn't really american except for the distribution ...
In 40 years of turning wrenches I never saw a socket break in same manner as your test...they wore out on the inside walls. Toughest tools I ever used were Hazet.
Wow! The old impact socket had a Brinell hardness probably north of 50. Very brittle!
Note very coarse grain structure on the Old socket. Coarse-grained steel is more brittle even at the same hardness. Modern metallurgy has improved grain size and toughness by huge amount.
Its possible it was heavily work hardened and perhaps even age hardened which could be a good reason to be careful with old impact sockets.
The old China crap AKA knuckle buster tools from Harbor Freight or a flea market. The newer stuff is much tougher.
@@limyrob1383 I had a 30 year old Craftsman 18mm socket 12 sided for 3/8" ratchet, which I bought when I was still in Highschool.
I never used it until few days ago, to remove a sway bar bushing bracket from a Mercedes. It cracked before the bolt got loose. So, I got out Craftsman 18mm long socket 6 sided for 3/8" ratchet from the same set. It cracked also. I went to Lowes to see if they are going to replace the socket for free, and they did. The new Craftsman 18mm socket I got from Lowes as a replacement did not crack, and was able to remove the bolt. The 30 year old Craftsman were made in USA, and new one is from Taiwan.
And just because it was old doesn't mean that it was actually a good brand, either. Cheap old tools look just like good old tools.
It appears to me that different metals were used. Those that resisted higher force broke in a more brittle fashion, while those that broke at lower force broke in a more ductile fashion. With the exception of the "old" one.
I was expecting the old one to do better than it did given it looked like it had thicker wall than some of the others, but suffice to say that materials engineering is better today than in yesteryear.
@@The-Logician or just because it was old doesn't mean that it wasn't a cheap one at the time, either.
Thanks a lot brother. Important information.
For being able to work on my seat rails in my 1970 BMW (Changing the seat to a decent version, not that flat and able to be angled) I had to buy a very expensive ARAG socket head, compared to my old HERO, which was too solid made. The last functioned fine besides in this case.
Everyone who actually uses stickers regularly know that sometimes only a thin walled socket fits in some spots.
I've never in my life broken a socket but I have broken some bolts.
I have broken several sockets, with a few more years experience you may break a few too...
Every time a "tool in a hydraulic press" comes up, there's always some Milwaukee hate down here. Always. I know they're more expensive. But there's a mechanic here on youtube that says "cheap tools cost you money. Expensive ones pay you". I guess that's his way of saying "you get what you pay for."
Those force tools are awesome professional grade tools...
SnapOn, Mack, S&K, Proto are American quality tool brand names. From chrome to hardened impact sockets. I tend to feel tools made 60 years ago are way better metal than in the last 30 etc. Not sure of exact timeliness. But you can feel the weight difference for sure.
Wouldn’t a twisting motion be a better test of relevant strength?
Yes I think the same. I don't think we will ever try to expand the socket like this
@@bountyhunter4885 Well yes but they are testing the expanding force alone. Testing it by twisting it is a real world test
This is the press channel.
Also, a tapered mandrel, such as the one used, does create hoop stress in the socket. Torsion on the socket driving a fastener head creates hoop stress as well through a camming action. They are not exactly the same but I expect that a regression model could be developed to predict the strength of the sockets using either test.
But it's still cool to break $h!+. (Destructive testing).
I break sockets with an impact wrench on a regular schedule because my boss buys cheap tools and those failures resemble these closley. The forces applied seem similar to me.
@@gabrieljordan9977 But it will fail under expanding every time because this is where the thinnest wall section is and the cutting of the hex or 12 point is the physical defect where the break will occur, so it is relevant.
So a cheap impact socket from Taiwan gives you most bang for the buck. Who would have known?
the one with more sides, like the 12-sided one, will be stronger, as the pressure is more evenly distributed, on the other, it hits the tip, on larger surfaces on the 6-sided
Sadly I did try this out at home, I started out with a nice home, car, wife, and a hydraulic press the full deal, and then got hooked on these videos, now I live in ruins and assorted debris still with my Hydraulic press, I think I might need help with my addiction.
You haven't hit rock bottom yet.
Lovely experiment ! I just did some with rubber ducks 😅😅
Unfortunately the forces shown breaking these sockets are unlikely to be replicated when they are used as intended. Sockets rotate. See if you can mange to test them that way. I lent a Britool socket to a friend when he was taking the head off a Rover 2600 (SD1) and he managed to break it. Replaced free of charge but I have never managed to break one myself.
Yes , sockets are meant to rotate , I wonders why testing them this way ? There is also difference in metalcomposition between impact sockets and regular ones , each should be tested in their own range .
my guess is it has, although not fully accurate, some correlation to the amount of outward pressure the socket can take before splitting, a particularly tight nut/bolt made of a really tough material could remain stationary while the socket turns as the socket stretches round the nut/bolt. i've split a few of sockets in my time, some through abuse (chromes on an impact wrench) others when used correctly, it's rare though as usually the nut/bolt just rounds off.
Most bolt heads on the engine and body parts in my 80series Land Cruiser have tapered heads so using 12 sided sockets is not a good idea.
With these type of bolt heads the main contact area is right at the tip of the socket hence a lot stress in a small area of a socket
@@andrecostermans7109I think he's just amazed with tearing shit up with a hydraulic press.
those things cost way more than $5 per socket.
the best one made , is the old socket . it did not give as like the others did.
now that wa a very good socket.
impressive video.
thank you .
In the UK I bought a complete Bosch set of impact sockets for around £20. That was an eight piece set in a wallet. Definitely same as the one tested. Bosch isn't seen as a premium brand, they license the name to all kinds of products as do Blaupunkt.
"Made in Germany" used to be a guarantee of quality. Now, "Made in Germany" is a guarantee of expensive repairs or premature replacement. Perhaps I shouldn't be so harsh, there are still plenty of premium products that leave their shores. But there's no shortage of garbage, either. I've taken thousands of dollars worth of "German Quality" to the tip, in recent years, and I'm not happy about it.
Have you seen the trim quality in Mercedes? Supposedly leather seats are mostly plastic. Absolutely crap.
I've owned 3 Mercs. A '76 280 E, A '76 280 SEL and a 2004 C class Kompressor. The E and the SEL were outstanding cars. Lightyears ahead of the competition, for the day.
The C class was pretty ordinary, I've got to say. Especially when it blew a head gasket! But not only that, it was a fairly poorly finished car, overall.
A friend of mine, against my counsel, purchased a new C Class about 5 years ago. I never did say I told you so, but she got rid of it within six months. There was nothing good about it. Honda, Mazda and Toyota all make better cars, for less. I didn't even mention Lexus.
Then there was my Miele stove top and oven, that I took to the tip, not too long ago. They started falling apart in only a few years. Screen printing on them was rubbish, the cooling fan in the oven kept failing, every control knob failed, the electronic "piezo" starters failed... rubbish. I've got Bosch power tools, too. Admittedly, they've held up well, but I'm only a home handyman, these days. It still didn't stop Bosch from selling me a battery that was faulty though. And what was the after sales service on that like, 3 month later. Another $160 Aud. down the drain.
The only "nice" German things that I own now, are a dishwasher and an air rifle. @@robertsmelt6638
As a mechanic I don’t understand how this test proves anything as we would never exert that force from that direction 🤔
Your mistake was to expect that from this channel. There are other channels that do that kind of thing. This channel is just for watching things go crack-bang-smash.
When you tighten the screw socket tries to widen so this is not irrelevant test.
So, according to your test parameters and results - the best wrench sockets would be those made from rubber, which would continuously deform and not fracture!
the reading goes down as soon as the socket deforms before the split, it wouldn't even read if the socket was rubber.
Love these videos.
Another really good brand of tool is Beta from Italy, i still use these every other day and they are over 40 years old.
Now Beta its no more Beta.
The quality is low compare witht your 40 years tool.
Cool video, very educational. Do you think the rankings would be the same if you did a torque test? You'd need new coupons for each test that are about ±5% dimensionally/Yield Strength, get at least 3 samples of each type of socket.
Okay, I need a wrench from the metal used to make the drill press. 😂
The last one, the one called "old" snapped rite in half. You can super glue that one back together it was a clean break
I have been using force tools since 2005, I only replaced the stolen or misplaced items, I'm a diesel engineer in the farming sector
na minha opinião a q rachou no meio com 4 toneladas é a melhor de todas material duro não tem desgaste em uma oficinha q usa diariamente as outas pode aguentar até 70 toneladas mas é macia sem durabilidade a que rachou com menos peso é a melhor de todas obebençendo o torque é uma ferramenta q passa de pai para filhos e netos e bisnetos as outras não
hasta no ver no creer
Tem isso!!!!
Material and thickneed are important for strength
About testing the old fields tools how many times being use it you cannot compare to the new one
Wow😮 nice experiment 😊❤
The Force runs strong with that winning socket.
Dude...Germany's ripping us off.
@@shadowtrooper4435 Yea a lot of Bosch's power tools used to have a good rep and then they started making them in China so I stopped buying them .
I think the point here is that most of these are pretty safe, what would you be doing for those sockets to be breaking?
I have Stahlwille bought in 1975 Absolutely great Used it of Track Bolts, Centurion Track bolts could not fault it
Just found your channel and Subscribed. Very nice video
Sería genial si colocarás una tabla al final de la prueba para sintetizar el conocimiento aportado por el experimento...
El force de impacto es el ganador con más de 12.000
Q sorpresa pence q el Milwaukee iba a ser mejor
The test doesn’t really mean a great deal, this situation would never be encountered anyway. It’s torsional strength they want to be testing. still, enjoyed it anyway.👍
In the beginning of the video, I think either your camera lens needed cleaned or there is a plastic film over the lens. Still pretty cool how they hold up.
Bosch tools and Milwaukee are also made in China. Very few tools are actually manufactured in US anymore. S&K, Proto
El echo q se fabriquen en china no significa q sean de china se fabrican en china por qué la mano de obra aya es mucho más económica pero los materiales son de USA y otros países
0:01 Guess I won't repeat this with my hydraulic press at home
Genuinely I think that every video lol. Was going to post the same thing xD
You have a hydraulic press??!?!?!1!
@@QueenieTheDog you don't???!
@@QueenieTheDog They are equating a Harbor Freight Pittsburgh shop press with hydraulic jack cylinder with this medium sized dedicated hydraulic pump press. I have a Pittsburg '12 Ton' . Nice and square with bolts and welds.
"do not try this at home". Thanks for the warning, because we all have 100ton presses at home.
You need a 100 ton press to try to crush a socket
I just bought one precisely to try this.
@@robinharwood5044 dedication!
Some of your videos are purely amusing with no practical application. This, however, this is useful knowledge.
Nice but don't forget Gedore in your tests. 👍
La forma como el cono de la prensa ejerce la presión y extensión sobre el dado no es la misma que recibe durante el uso normal . No se qué tan significativos sean los valores obtenidos.
Durante o uso, a performance de resistência vai ser muito parecida. É perfeitamente válida a forma como foi atestado
Taiwan 💪🏻 me sorprendió
Did anyone see the grain structure on the “old” failed socket. It looked like sugar so it hasn’t been hardened properly, I recon it probably didn’t even go through normalisation cycles to refine the grain structure. I normally trust the old tools more than modern ones because they were built to last but these days they just aren’t.
The old socket bowed out early but geez it put on the best show.
About Bosch socket , the real price is 42 euro the set. Included 9 size in set.
True. Also Bosch is not really known to be a high-quality producer of mechanical tools, and afaik none of them is manufatured in Germany, but in China. For tools actually coming from quality brands and manufactured in Germany that actual mechanics or professional garages etc. would use, please refer to "Stahlwille", Hazet or comparable brands for a better comparison. You can also include Wera if you want a high-quality Czech brand in the mix as well.
Taiwan winner?
@crazyhydraulic205 how?
I want you to compare these German brands. Idk what they do to them but they are THE toughest sockets wrenches “hand tools” I’ve ever used. Most don’t have never heard of them. But servicing large manufacturing machinery for 35yrs you won’t find a stronger socket… guaranteed!… first off is Stahlwillie brand very expensive but very reliable & highest quality possible. Using a torque multiplier loosening M24 bolts that require over 2000nm of force during assembly, was exceeding 2500nm when trying to break them free after 15yrs, With a 1” drive adapted down to 1/2” drive after breaking ever 1”, & 3/4” 32mm 6pt socket in North America (from memory probably 6 or 7) Stahlwillie not only made a socket, but took them all out & is still in service today! Those broken sockets were not cheap harbor freight shit, they were Snap On, Proto, Westward, & yes Crasftman… a few others I would guess to be as strong, are Wera, DeGeorge, Wima, & I know Theres 1 more I can’t think of that’s very popular. Id love to see tests that consists of strength by top manufacturers of industry leading Countries…. Im ashamed to say it, but I will…. I would bet USA, would barely out do China, or Taiwan! & I’m not sure of what other lesser known high quality tools are out there but they’d have a hell of a title to beat any of the manufacturers I listed above
Why is the musical score at the end of the video so satisfying?😂
I could easily predict which side of the socket is going to break by looking at the offset placement.
Youre neat
Buatan Taiwan bagus👍👍👍
Yang buat kontennya engga bener
Klu yg warna putih bukan baja cuma dilapis Croum
Sedeng kan yang warna hitam baja yang dihardened
Coba kalau yang dites nya terbalik
Buatan Jerman + USA pake yang warna putih , sedengkan China + Taiwan pake yang warna hitam
Hasilnya akan terbalik
The Force sockets were impressive.
? Are they alle specific for HAND wrench? There are also one on the market for an impact wrench.
Force tiawan impact 3 dollar is great
Please note the results at the end🙏
They would make some nice rosettes for an abstract flower sculpture
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Could you please calculate the '' Pressure (kg)÷ Price($)＝value(kg/$)'' ,as a reference plz ?😁😁 I would be really appreciate.😃😃
Thus l could see whether it is worthy to spend my money💵💰, and check how exactly every dollar could bear how much press.
👍🏻🤣
So i thought Taiwan was dominating only the chipset industry.. now they even taking the socket industry too
So so many people won't get that.
👍😜
Taiwan has been making high quality items for decades.
Yes, they still make budget items.
Some Taiwanese will buy high quality items that will last DECADES, while others will buy lower quality and just replace things in few years.
I prefer quality. My bookcases and furniture are 25+ years old and no warping. (Good solid teak and oak....entirely...no thin fake stuff on back side)
I prefer my Cannondale with Campy parts bicycle....but Giant has been making top quality bicycles for decades....high enough for use in races like Tour de France.
My car mechanic heart is screaming, great video though
II believe Bosch screwing tools are produced in Asia. It’s an unknown label for screwing tools in Germany. In german industries and car repairshops Gedore and Hazet (made still in Germany) are the golden standard. A tool nut from hazet in metric 17 starts at 12 $. For high torquement using like brake caliper etc. it starts at 30$. We have no experiences in US-tools.
Taiwan is taiwan (ROC),china is china（PRC)
😂
Taiwan is also China
@@assoumalola7351 taiwan is China
China is also Taiwan
China is coc
Taiwanese for the win
¡Qué videos más satisfactorio! Me hubiese gustado que probaras solo con cubos normales y otro solo con cubos de impacto. Saludos desde Honduras.
It would be nice if you put a comprehensive table at the end of the video. Prices, weights, dimensions, breaking forces and, most importantly, the price/force ratios. 2
It's made in Taiwan, not China. Taiwan is a separate country not a part of China. If its made in China then the socket would have broken before it reaches 1000 kg lol..
Taiwan the winner
you should make a list in the end as conclusion with the name, the price, the weight, etc. but thanks for the video.
When will they slip or break when tightening a bolt is what I'd like to see. Of course an apples to apples, not a random handful. I always enjoy this channel though.
taiwan great
Now you know. All the crappy old sockets that you been saying are better, I guess not. Is just a myth 😂😂 Taiwan for the lol 😆
More importantly which ones are perfectly sized and remain so under torque, so as not to destroy the bolt or nut. Never managed to crush a socket while using it. Splitting a cheap one is quite doable.
Also the black 1s unless they say there not there normaly hardend steel were as the others are mostly ally hence why they bent an deformed rather than cracked