The Real Truth About SONGTRUST | What They Do & Don’t Do | Find More Music Royalties

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  • @MakeMusicIncome
    @MakeMusicIncome  11 місяців тому +6

    Get the FREE MUSIC ROYALTIES CHECKLIST from Songtrust: at www.songtrust.com/make-music-income-checklist

  • @samuelabraham1113
    @samuelabraham1113 10 місяців тому +4

    This was absolutely masterpiece! I totally loved it! It answered all my questions about songtrust! Now I know what to do. Thank you Sir Eric .

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  10 місяців тому +1

      Thanks! And yes it answered all of mine too! That’s why I did it! LOL!

  • @EmpireOneStudios
    @EmpireOneStudios 11 місяців тому +2

    Amazing one Eric, thanks!

  • @ronpatton9424
    @ronpatton9424 11 місяців тому +10

    Ive been with Songtrust since 2014. Overall, good. Client Support could be stronger than it now is.

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  11 місяців тому +3

      Good to hear Ron, thank you so much.

    • @GianpaoloGallianOfficial
      @GianpaoloGallianOfficial 7 місяців тому

      I can subscribe to what @ronpatton9424 has written! Been with them for 3 years. Very slow client support system. Haven't seen a penny and some things might have been done more professionally. Went out recently. Going with my PRO and MLC primarily.

  • @alane_j
    @alane_j 9 місяців тому +2

    Wow this was very informative! I'm finally gearing up my songwriting and recording and wanted to make sure I have things covered before I get too far along. I appreciate this!

  • @scottrap
    @scottrap 6 місяців тому +3

    Eric, fabulous video! One thing that wasn’t even mentioned is that SongTrust offers occasional promotional discounts to sign up with them? At least they used to?

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  6 місяців тому +2

      That is good to know. Thank you.

    • @scottrap
      @scottrap 6 місяців тому

      @@MakeMusicIncome some new developments since I wrote you the other day. I emailed ST last week and no one has gotten back to me? I also thought it was strange that on their UA-cam page, most of the videos are old and nothing new has come out in a while. After doing further research, I came across an article in Billboard that the company has been encountering some major issues/leadership changes since 2023 and haven’t been paying out royalties to songwriters. It’s sad because they really seemed like the latest and greatest a few years back.

    • @therecipe415
      @therecipe415 3 місяці тому

      Facts I only paid 65

  • @willmcmillan1430
    @willmcmillan1430 9 місяців тому +2

    This was hugely useful! THANK YOU, Renée and Eric! I just joined Sontrust.

  • @AlanShoesmith
    @AlanShoesmith 11 місяців тому +5

    Been with Songtrust for a couple of years now…from my perspective, the $100 sign-up fee was well worth it.

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  11 місяців тому +2

      Very good to know Alan. Thank you.

    • @GladiusOfficial2
      @GladiusOfficial2 Місяць тому

      I did too.. but I'm not so sure at this point...

    • @AlanShoesmith
      @AlanShoesmith Місяць тому

      @@GladiusOfficial2 …not long after I made this comment I actually started making the switch to SOCAN RR. And thankfully I did after noticing that they are increasing their commission in the new year.

  • @nylorac33
    @nylorac33 10 місяців тому +2

    What a great interview. Thank you for this.

  • @ayMillmusic
    @ayMillmusic 3 місяці тому +1

    Great video, just finished watching it from start to end 🎉. Learned a lot but I feel that this way of doing feels a bit old-school. Imagine one app/service that you can sign up with and all of these companies and organizations work together and your royalties will be collected everywhere.

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  3 місяці тому +1

      It doesn't seem to be a very perfect science.

  • @totalpkgproductions2797
    @totalpkgproductions2797 5 місяців тому +1

    Great interview, Great questions...Renee was great explaining and making this all plain and simple...Having SongTrust as your Publishing Admin., is the only way to go. Totally a No-Brainer,
    85% / 15% is more than a fair cut for a real admin., to save you time that translate into money...win, win. 👍

  • @emeraldsunmusic
    @emeraldsunmusic 9 місяців тому +3

    Mate I tip my hat to the thorough questioning the lady from Songtrust did well on her end too all in all a great interview

  • @serolemusic
    @serolemusic 10 місяців тому +5

    Great interview but still the same question unanswered: I’m with BMI as songwriter and as music publishing entity. I’m with Songtrust since the beginning of my journey and I asked them why in my BMI account they’re listed as music publisher 100% in most of my songs and they said “no worries we only take 15% “ and I understand that but why you’re listed at 100% on BMI when the agreement should be only between me and Songtrust not with BMI? They never got back to my question and most of my catalogue is pending in BMI.
    Submitting music to music library I’m confused to list me (my entity)as music publisher or Songtrust… if someone can clarify I’d appreciate it.
    Sorry for the long comment!😊

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  10 місяців тому +3

      The simple answer is that they are paid the publishing side of each song and then pay you 85% of that. That is their fee for trying to get as many pennies and dollars for you across the world as they can.
      Now if you are talking about submitting these to an exclusive library , you cannot. Because an exclusive library will want Full publishing most likely. In that case, though, you can take those songs down from Songtrust. And once they are down, you can submit them to exclusive libraries.
      If it's a non-exclusive library, you don't have to worry about it. Just put in the information of who the, writer is at BMI and who the publisher is. It's not the libraries business, if they are not exclusive, who the publisher is.

    • @serolemusic
      @serolemusic 10 місяців тому +3

      @@MakeMusicIncome Thank you: at the moment I submit only to non-exclusive music libraries so I guess I can list MY LLC as music publisher and not Songtrust. The only thing I don't understand yet is why on my BMI account catalogue they are listed as 100% music publisher ( but I think BMI ask to list music publisher AND/OR music publisher admin, like Songtrust, so maybe it's a BMI issue to not be specific). I just believe when is on paper is difficult to explain " well they are listed as 100% but they only take 15% "... Only thing is that it take forever at the moment for the to register the songs and on BMI result still pending ( like on Songtrust).
      Thank you Eric, always interesting videos

    • @missreynolds3637
      @missreynolds3637 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@serolemusic I would like a follow up of your question if you ever get it figured out, why your songs are pending with both entities and why???? Interesting....makes one wonder for sure?

    • @GladiusOfficial2
      @GladiusOfficial2 Місяць тому

      Same exact thing happening to me! Did you resolve this? I can certainly say that ever since signing up with Songtrust (publishing admin), that now on my BMI statements it shows 'Songtrust' is claiming 100% of my publishing... yet when I check my Songtrust account they're hardly paying me diddly squat (compared to what I got previously through BMI, without them..) -- emailing them for help. None so far.. still waiting.

    • @serolemusic
      @serolemusic Місяць тому

      @@GladiusOfficial2 Back in the days Songtrust told me that it appears 100% BUT they take only 15%…. but the BUT doesn't' convince me because what is written on paper is written, and they're listed as 100%. I got insured by them that I can put my publishing entity 100% when I sync my music in libraries. Other thing is that is more than 1 year that my songs are processing meaning that I'm not getting any money ( not much at all but the principle is the one that counts!) because they are still in a sort of limbo….. no idea…. as usual independent artists get taken advantage, my humble opinion

  • @maxmus9854
    @maxmus9854 4 місяці тому +1

    Really great information! Thank you Eric and Renee for this conversation!)

  • @fromthepmparchivesandbeyond
    @fromthepmparchivesandbeyond 4 місяці тому +1

    A fantastic interview; thank you Eric and Renee!

  • @TilenSapac
    @TilenSapac 2 місяці тому +1

    Probably the best video about Songtrust on youtube!

  • @prodjincmusicproductions6587
    @prodjincmusicproductions6587 9 місяців тому +3

    Beautiful interview, thank you!

  • @779RAFAEL
    @779RAFAEL 17 днів тому +1

    Thank you for this information

  • @MunyeScriptsLifeStyle
    @MunyeScriptsLifeStyle 7 місяців тому +2

    For my my question is please I have referred a number of artists to join song trust but I not seeing my earning in my account am just seeing there emails for those that have joined but I don't know when will I be able to receive my earnings for those referrals

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  7 місяців тому

      I'm afraid I don't know much about that. You might want to contact them.

  • @KeyboardPonderings
    @KeyboardPonderings 10 місяців тому +2

    This was a great interview! Thank you for doing this. One question I didn’t hear asked (you sort of skirted around this one): I’m just starting out with all of this, and I’m not currently registered with any PRO or anything at all. Do I still need to register with ASCAP or BMI or can I just register with Songtrust? Maybe this answer was somewhere in that long interview but I didn’t hear it.

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  10 місяців тому +2

      To work with Songtrust you are eventually going to have to pick one of the PROs. Suntrust is not a PRO. They do not collect royalties themselves, but they have to do so with BMI or Ec. They take 15% of the publishing side of whatever your music makes. But you will have to be with one of the organizations before you can work with Songtrust , or I believe they can register you with one.

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  10 місяців тому +2

      But I would recommend joining your self so that you are in control of it before you give them control of it. ASCAP now as of this writing is free to join as a writer and publisher.

    • @KeyboardPonderings
      @KeyboardPonderings 10 місяців тому +1

      @@MakeMusicIncome Thank you!

    • @KeyboardPonderings
      @KeyboardPonderings 10 місяців тому +1

      @@MakeMusicIncome Got it, thanks!

  • @jarrodleerocks
    @jarrodleerocks 8 місяців тому +1

    Great interview. Thanks for this. So I’m a writer and publisher in BMI as well. If I sign up with songtrust should I change my publisher in BMI to songtrust?

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  8 місяців тому

      Not sure I think they will take care of it.

  • @dutchi15
    @dutchi15 8 місяців тому +1

    Thanks to you both for this amazing video. So much valuable information to utilise you were speaking of synchronisation platforms. Can you recommend a few that you use please? Thank you.

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  8 місяців тому

      Songtradr, Crucial Music

    • @dutchi15
      @dutchi15 8 місяців тому +1

      @@MakeMusicIncome thank you

  • @ThuroVision-tt
    @ThuroVision-tt 4 місяці тому +4

    They can try responding to emails, because as a studio owners that ha been referring artists to their company, they now don't respond and you will receive an email saying it can be up to two weeks. 3 Years ago they'd get on the phone, a year ago it was email, now it's nothing. I'm now taking all of our artists elsewhere

    • @timetheory84
      @timetheory84 13 днів тому

      Where would you recommend if not songtrust?

  • @mitchellmartinez4638
    @mitchellmartinez4638 11 місяців тому +3

    I have a question. If I take control of registering everything for myself as a songwriter fo Mechanical/Performance royalties in the us. Can I make a better deal with "Songtrust" to collect overseas for me at a lower percentage? maybe 8 percent?

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  11 місяців тому +1

      That would a question for Songtrust, but I don't think you can opt out of just anything. You can opt out of Content ID though but only as a songwriter (not by song.)

  • @wildbird78
    @wildbird78 10 місяців тому +2

    Is this just for artist stuff you put on Spotify and streaming or can they collect publishing for stock music like Motion Array and AJ?

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  10 місяців тому +1

      If stock generates mechanical or performance or content ID they can collect that.

  • @lindamasson7067
    @lindamasson7067 11 місяців тому +1

    We both release (stream/download) and pitch for sync the same songs simultaneously. That is why we have resisted publishing administrative agreements. Any suggestions as to what to do if we want to collect all streaming royalties (foreign & international performance & mechanicals) for the same songs that are also registered with exclusive libraries? (We are with BMI, MLC, HFA, Soundexchange.) Thanks for what you do, Eric!

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  11 місяців тому

      Well, from what I understand, you can take a song down if you get it accepted into a sync deal. But I've also heard on the sync side. You have to be very careful with people who are involved in the publishing because with exclusive sync deals they want the publishing, of course. Now if you're dealing, totally non-exclusive With sync deals then it probably doesn't matter. You can do anything you want with your publishing. if it's a non-exclusive deal, direct to a music supervisor, for instance, then you can do whatever you want with your music publishing.

    • @missreynolds3637
      @missreynolds3637 9 місяців тому

      ​​@@MakeMusicIncome I may have already asked this if so forgive me. First of all this was a great interview and we learned a lot we didn't know and were missing out on. My OH was only with Rout note the distribution side (they take 15%) and BMI, & since watching this video he has gotten Identify, (you should see stock music licensing AKA Daniel video on this if you haven't already) he's also got the MLC, and Sound exchange, so my question is with these that he's got does he really need HFA or Songtrust? If you had the one's I mentioned would you use HFA or Songtrust? Second question if I may? What else are we missing?

    • @missreynolds3637
      @missreynolds3637 9 місяців тому

      @MakeMusicIncome. Also to add: HFA and Songtrust both ask for money up front. So I guess the better question is do you really need either of those two, if you have BMI,MLC, Sound Exchange, identify, & Music reports? Is there anything that we're missing? Oh my OH said to tell you he's (the weirdo 1% ) that wants to collect every penny there is to collect hahaha. He doesn't mind spreadsheets either. His frugal self won't allow him to spend the $100.00 to join Songtrust (at least not yet). We watched again tonight to see if there was anything else we may have missed in this interview the first time we watched it. I wish I knew who song trust's third party is, that they use @ end of video (where you said you think you know who it is they use????)

  • @CalvinRoss-p9c
    @CalvinRoss-p9c 6 місяців тому +1

    Trying to download your checklist it won’t allow me to

  • @KevinBennettMusic
    @KevinBennettMusic 9 місяців тому +5

    you should've asked if they're capable of answering e-mails lol

  • @DarleneWelling
    @DarleneWelling 8 місяців тому +1

    Greatly helpful! Thank you both!

  • @derrickturner7163
    @derrickturner7163 8 місяців тому +3

    Why would I need HFA if I have MLC?

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  8 місяців тому +1

      MLC only collects mechanicals from streaming only in US.

  • @spearitscottie1
    @spearitscottie1 9 місяців тому +5

    When she says that Songtrust takes 15% of the publishing side and not the writers side, then they are only taking 15% of HALF of the composition side? So if the composition side takes in 100$ they wouldn't be taking 15$, they would be taking 7.50$?

    • @MrMoe249
      @MrMoe249 8 місяців тому

      Exactly.

    • @andrefavreau9818
      @andrefavreau9818 4 місяці тому

      Right. And you wouldn’t receive that publisher’s share at all also if you’re not setup as a publisher. That’s for Performance only though.

  • @RBnewsRevue
    @RBnewsRevue 7 місяців тому +1

    Wow. I Needed this. Thanks.

  • @nataliemeenakshithegreat7780
    @nataliemeenakshithegreat7780 8 місяців тому +1

    Hi I am based in France paris can I register to songtrust ?

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  8 місяців тому

      I believe so but you will need to check with them.

  • @hoodgeographic868
    @hoodgeographic868 2 місяці тому +1

    I have been stuck on Processing for months since March and still not processed what a waste of money

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  2 місяці тому +1

      That stinks!

    • @hoodgeographic868
      @hoodgeographic868 2 місяці тому

      @@MakeMusicIncome it's more than stink it's wicked and evil to do people that

  • @DJNyagra
    @DJNyagra 6 місяців тому +3

    She said PROs don't collect performing royalties globally. That is not true. Can you explain why she would say that because you agreed with her.

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  6 місяців тому

      It's been awhile. What part of the video?

    • @danielward4544
      @danielward4544 4 місяці тому

      They don't collect globally. They collect in their own country and then rely on reciprocal agreements with all of the other PROs around the world to collect your royalties in those other countries . That's why it takes from 9 - 24months for International royalties to reach you, and you can lose up to 40$ of the money that was paid out for you by a DSP because their are so many intermediaries and hidden fees. What happens for most people though is that they get paid nothing because you're rely on all of those PROs around the world to copy the data you added into your PROs website into their own websites and that rarely happens proeperly.

  • @str808.pophyperpop3
    @str808.pophyperpop3 6 місяців тому +4

    More Listening Less Talking, we don't need the backstory host❤

  • @prodbyfrank74
    @prodbyfrank74 11 місяців тому +2

    Man Renee the best

  • @שיווקעסקים-ר1מ
    @שיווקעסקים-ר1מ 3 місяці тому +1

    They say they are paying from 25 dollars but they didn't pay me

  • @stevemyers2092
    @stevemyers2092 Місяць тому +1

    she was very good.
    For $100 it's worth it.

  • @שיווקעסקים-ר1מ
    @שיווקעסקים-ר1מ 3 місяці тому +1

    So basically you're saying you guys are a monopol as it is not suprising all those companies are belonged to each other

  • @JA809_
    @JA809_ 3 місяці тому +6

    Songtrust is not good to trust!

    • @SweepsBeats
      @SweepsBeats 3 місяці тому +2

      Don’t trust songtrust!

    • @JA809_
      @JA809_ 3 місяці тому

      @@SweepsBeats For Real

    • @MichaelOrtega
      @MichaelOrtega Місяць тому +1

      Not only that they take a 15% cut and if you use them with your distributor, that’s a double percentage taken out. It’s a lot of work, but it’s better to try the international mechanical royalties with your own company.

  • @rohanshiralkar391
    @rohanshiralkar391 11 місяців тому +3

    Plz songtrust plz help your client's request of support ASAP 🥺🙏❤

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  11 місяців тому

      Thanks! I'm sure they will see these comments!

  • @UncleMeatball
    @UncleMeatball 2 місяці тому +1

    Thank you for this video! Question I may have missed.. if your songs are on indetifyy do we still click the UA-cam box when registering with SongTrust?

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  2 місяці тому +1

      No. You can only have one person collecting those.

    • @UncleMeatball
      @UncleMeatball 2 місяці тому

      @ thx I’ll stick with identifyy for that

  • @epytaffskitchenstink
    @epytaffskitchenstink 3 місяці тому +1

    I signed up for the free downloads but there's no downloads just a ThankYou!

  • @Plastic3official
    @Plastic3official 10 місяців тому +1

    Hello! Can you forward my questions to Songtrust support, please (I'm their current client)? What should I do, if record company want to license my songs for album performed by artist on LP, CD, etc., or, as in my case, they have already done it without my permission. Or, for example, some artist wants permission to perform my song on a non-exclusive basis - can I direct him to Songtrust, and if so, where should he contact (email, phone). What rates will apply? Honestly, I just can’t ask these questions because the support is practically unresponsive or disappears after my additional question.. And another question - if the label wants to release some of my songs only digitally - again, what do I need to do? Should I refer them to Songtrust? Where exactly (email, phone)? Are there any rates for digital publishing of my songs, is there any upfront payment? Do I need to enter into some kind of agreement with the label personally or can I just send them to the songtrust and the songtrust will do everything on its own? Please forward my questions to them, because I'm can't get answers from them, but I need support on these issues asap.. Thanks for the interview!

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  10 місяців тому

      I’m sorry I don’t have a way to contact their support. Any songs you register with SongTrust will be taken care of by them and no one needs to contact them to sue them if it is non-exclusive.

    • @Plastic3official
      @Plastic3official 10 місяців тому +1

      Hello! Thank you for reply! Maybe you misunderstood me.. If some record company wants to release an album of some artist, where there are my songs (digitally or in the physical form), then who should they deal with - me, as author, or with Songtrust? Who should give them the license to release my songs? Do I need to give them Songtrust contacts (which I don't know), or just tell them that I have a publisher and it's Songtrust? It’s just that right now an album with my song came out, and I had to contact the authors’ society of that country, tell them that this is my song, tell them about Songtrust, and so on.. At the same time, it’s been 10 days since I can’t get a response from Songtrust.@@MakeMusicIncome

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  10 місяців тому +1

      They should deal with you. You don't have to say a word about Songtrust unless they ask you who the publisher is.

    • @Plastic3official
      @Plastic3official 10 місяців тому

      Strange.. On the contrary, the manager of the Estonian Copyright Society told me that if my tracks are in Songtrust, then I cannot directly issue a license to them and, apparently, the license will be issued by the Estonian Copyright Society, and Songtrust will receive the money through its sub-publisher, whose interests are represented by the Estonian Copyright Society society.. I haven’t been able to get any explanations from Songtrust for 2 weeks now..@@MakeMusicIncome

    • @Plastic3official
      @Plastic3official 10 місяців тому

      It's strange.. On the contrary, the manager of the Estonian Copyright Society told me that if my song registered in Songtrust, then I cannot directly issue a license to them and, apparently, the license will be issued by the Estonian Copyright Society, and Songtrust will receive the money through its sub-publisher, whose interests are represented by the Estonian Copyright Society society.@@MakeMusicIncome

  • @Mat-ll6sc
    @Mat-ll6sc 9 місяців тому +1

    ITS A SCAM AFTER YOU PAY THEY WILL TELL YOU U NEED TO BE A MEMBER OF A PRO/CMO in order to work with Songtrust

    • @MakeMusicIncome
      @MakeMusicIncome  9 місяців тому +2

      You DO need to be with a PRO. That’s the truth. And you can join ASCAP for free right now.

    • @derrickturner7163
      @derrickturner7163 8 місяців тому +1

      Why does that make it a scam?

  • @epytaffskitchenstink
    @epytaffskitchenstink 3 місяці тому +1

    Does this apply to lyrics as well?