A basic work flow tutorial using each of the templates would be extremely helpful. it would save us newbies hours and hours trying to figure out what we have here. Thanks so much for sharing your time and talent! cheers
Great stuff! Just noticed that Jake muted tracks but didn’t mute the regions on the play through. Pro tip: as far as I can tell, muting tracks doesn’t save the instruments from playing the note - effectively, it just turns the volume all the way down. For lower CPU usage if people are stemming out the old-school way (bouncing one stem at a time), it’ll be much quicker on your systems to lasso solo regions rather than soloing tracks
Mr. Henson I wanted to say that I love your music. I found you on UA-cam and you help in making me want to get into orchestration. I really enjoy watching you create your music. I’m wishing you much more continued success in your creations in the music business.
Thank you for all the work you did on the templates, it really makes life easier when writing, and certainly makes it much easier when collaborating with other composers and engineers
It's not as unobtainable as it might seem. Current self-built (desktop/consumer platforms, like Intel i7/i9, or AMD Ryzen - not workstation/high-end like Intel Xeon or AMD Threadripper) PCs support 64GB of RAM, you just start out with a single 16GB stick and add as needed. I'm at 32GB at this point and fully expect to upgrade as my needs expand. My system was $1000 and you could easily have spent less on things like GPU and storage.
Hi Christian and Jake ! When I create a template, the first thing I do is synchronizing Auxes and Busses because it's really more handy not to have to check the input of an Aux ! If I know that Aux 1 is fed by Bus 1, Aux 2 by Bus 2, It's much more simple, don't you think ? I just don't let Logic create a nightmare ! So, I start creating, say 256 Auxes with sync'ed busses : Select all Auxes and click the input box and Shift+Option (alt) select Bus 1 and all the other auxes will receive the same bus number, that is to say : Bus 1> Input for Aux 1, Bus 2 > Inpit for Aux 2, etc... That way reading the console is far more simple ! Anyway, your templates are genius ! Thanks for all your care ! ;-)
Yes please do tutorials on stemming and how to use the templates. I have Pro with Logic and for those of us inexperienced DAW template users it’s overwhelming. This video alone is a great help.
In particular, what makes up a good template? Explain the bus architecture used here. What are industry standards, not just for film but also games. How do you mix, monitor and bounce out with this template? What about using expression maps or articulation sets? Thank you!
@@DanMcLaughlin Yeah it's a lot to get your head round, particularly at the pro end. Writing and bouncing out track which is well mixed is one thing but stacking, steaming, locking and templates. Then sending to protools etc. I realise that my engineering knowledge is one area that needs a huge amount of work.
I'll call this the "Henson-Jackson Benchmark" and I think it's one of the first things I'm going to try when my new PC is delivered, set up and ready to emit steam and smoke.
Thanks guys. A video on stems would be good as I’ve no idea what they are being new to all this. I’d love to see a video of using the Core template to score a short piece to see how the different articulations are incorporated. Do you write celli for example on one track then move bits to the correct articulation tracks or do each bit separately on the correct rack etc. sorry if these seem basic questions but I’ve never done anything like this before. Many thanks once again.
Great work and thanks again for these. A video about Stems and Print tracks would be really useful for those of us new to it. I'm sticking to the multiple instances (or hybrid as you previously called it) as it works well on my Mac with just 16GB, as long as I make sure to only switch on the tracks I actually want to use.
Oh that's cool, my brother was asking about what RAM you have. I'll tell him. Projects built on a 16, taken on by a 64 and system still overloads before being able to move on. Told him it would perron better running off an SSD but really expensive, well he knows that already. He'll want 128 now, and I'll be like "And where do we get that from?" Like Del Boy he is never quits. I'm the Rodney. Does feel like we're hanging on a wire sometimes trying to get somewhere. But then that's what everyone's been going through with lockdown. Can't complain, make use of you've got I say to him. Never sinks in though!
Love the templates, certainly saved me a lot of effort. The Discovery version is really very very good given the size and cost. Good job chaps. You can Track Stack the long Strings in Logic Pro to create a very nice ensemble. Same for staccato , spicatto or pizzicato.
Just got BBCSO core and I’m just in love with it. Kudos on this template; very new to this type of workflow but I think I’ve wrapped my head around it! One observation: the brass seems to be clipping with distortion at full dynamics? EDIT - Nvm, I think I’ve basically isolated it to “unrealistic” voicings of the a3 and a4 patches. Cheers!
It’s like the best drug..... and, like the best drug, i want more... saving my pennies for Pro, so i can get the mic placements, solo strings, and more articulations!
Have these plugs been ported to the new Arm based macs? The performance those things are supposed to have do open some intreguing possibilities (I could imagine using relatively cheap Mac Minis loaded up with Vienna Ensemble and BBCSO etc as a lan workhorse. Not sure how the licensing works on all this w/ vienna ensemble network type setups though. I know with Kontakt stuff its a royal pain in the arse.
Just a quick question I'd like to get an answer for Christian. Could you people implement both an batch re-save mechanic as well as a traditional purge samples mechanic into BBCSO? I'm asking this primarily because the audio workstation I use, Image-Line's Fruity Loops Studio (laugh if you'd like), lacks some essential features needed for working with big templates (such as freeze track/channel). I'd be grateful if any of you could implement these mechanics down the line.
Purchased Core and using Logic. What an eye-opener this template is. Still wrapping my mind around some of the concepts and how I can repurpose them for other non-Orchestral templates. Conveniently printing audio into a state that is ready for mixing is my personal holy grail - especially with external instruments. Now I know what I've been missing by not using groups more than I do. Speaking of which, follow hide in the mixer is my new best friend. One question: why don't you group the legato tracks?
Ableton template please. I heard it mentioned in the video. Even if you don't do one I'll still buy your stuff. I purchased Discovery right away and am very pleased. I also own Albion One and Spitfire Strings, and share with you various LABS; love all your products. I know Ableton isn't a popular DAW with you guys, but for many different styles that I produce it's great for me. Thanks either way.
Hi Christian, just purchased the Core version and loving it! Great as well to have your templates! Do you see the ability to switch on/off techniques and edit them coming to the core version as it is in the pro? Right now only way for me is to use your template which has them already split between longs and shorts. If I load BBC SO myself in another project I can’t unload articulations that I don’t use and it’s getting CPU heavy. Thanks for all that you do, you unveiled media composing for me!
@@Monomorphismus That is a bit. Did they say whether or not it would be added in the future? I would argue it's more necessary on the CORE edition as it's aimed at those who probably don't have the RAM to handle the full orchestra and would need to manage their RAM usage. Also they need to dictate that fact on the website as currently at the time of writing this it is not specified.
About the RAM, that's strange... positively strange. I use BBC SO Pro with my 8 cores 16 threads 64gb RAM and very fast HDD and it runs flawlessly, of course. I've bought a laptop, for sketching. i7 1665G7 HP Envy x360 with 16gb RAM and very good 1tb HDD and never thought of using BBC SO Pro on it. I tried... Perfectly SMOOTH. 60 tracks with PRO, lots of articulations. The HDD runs a lot but no crackles, no drops... nothing. The Presonus page on optimizing Windows 10 for pro audio is a bliss. It totally changes your experience. No drops. With 256 buffers. I'm no Spitfire Audio advocate at all, I'm the first to be surprised of the performance of the library on a quite common laptop, even on battery. OPTIMIZE YOUR WINDOWS! :) Use your PC only for audio, create a safer account for common tasks and an optimized account for music. No web. The Presonus page: support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/articles/360025279231-Optimizing-Your-Computer-for-Audio-Windows-10 There are many more ways to relieve your pro audio PC. Lots of uselesss services that can easily be disabled. It changes everything. Today's gear are more efficient than we think. Optane HDD drives are phenomenally quick on read. I'm no hardware pro though.
Christian, I love the videos. I am in the process of putting together my studio and I am chomping at the bit to play with BBCSO! I will be using Logic as my main recorder/sequencer. A new Mac is in the budget, my question for you is how much RAM do you recommend?
Hello. Mr. Henson will and your colleagues ever make a template for beginners like me using just the Free Discover BBC symphony orchestra program for Cubase users using an Mac Book Pro computer?
I have the Pro version. I am very new to logic and samples but have 55 years experience writing music. Could someone point me in the direction of a tutorial on how to get the templates actually into Logic so I can use them. Thank you for all you and your colleagues are doing for music, Christian.
Christian Thank you so much for this work !! Can I assume that the stems you would typically send Jake for your projects would match up to the template examples ? I'm trying to get my Nuendo to Pro Tools flow correct
whaaaaaaaat? Strings are red??.... ..huh.. Ok, I can potentially see how this would make sense, but nah, I've gotten used to yellow strings and red brass
Strings are Green, Woods are Yellow, Brass is Red, Percussion is Brown, Vox is Purple, Keys/Chrom Perc are Blue, Synths are Purple. That's how my brain's synesthesia processes things.
As i was just about getting used to the vagaries and foibles of using Kontakt, this new plugin comes along (for me, anyway) and i'm wondering how best to use it. Please do a video(s!) on how to get the best performance out of the Spitfire instrument, with regards to memory pressure, maximising performance. Maybe Apple could use the full BBSO to demonstrate exactly why we need to buy a Mac Pro 28 core 1.5TB Ram machine? 🤣 PS Also, i presume that there isn't a way to use Logic's Articulation Sets with the Spitfire instrument?
The Spitfire Instrument does accommodate the Logic Articulation Sets, at least in the BBCSO Pro version (haven't had a chance to check the Core or Discover versions yet). In order to get them to work you have to set the Keyswitch one octave down in Logic compared to that shown in the Spitfire Instrument. I've had a couple which don't always "behave", in particular the Timpani (and that could be errors in set up on my part) but most appear to work.
@@michaelwright2568 Cool. Thanks for the heads up! I have now the BBC SO Core installed. I'll play around with articulations to see if I can set this up. I had gotten used to using Logic's articulations in the piano roll, as it made editing easier for me... Not much of a keyboard player, and I find it's a bit of a pain using my left hand to do the key switching. I guess I must also look into the "One track per articulation" method, as recommended by Guy Michelmore. With me, it's a case of an old dog attempting to learn new tricks!
Not a problem if you have VSL and host it on another computer. The only thing I can't figure out is how to easily move the keyswitches like in Kontakt.
And here I was thinking that 16gb was more than enough for me... On a side note, good thing Spitfire let's you switch articulations by pressing their default key on the lower register of the midi keyboard. So when composing you manually write a note for the articulation and switch back to your liking and it's gonna save you load time and lots of money on RAM. :)
Can you make a template for Hans Zimmer Strings and Eric W. Choirs, I think that would be very helpful for composers for some Spitfire's best libraries.
When these templates are opened there is a message in Logic about the missing sync plop file. It shows the expected location of this. To get around this I copied the sync plop from the 300 Strangers project and also used it for the missing Clix.wav which throws up a similar error on first loading. This sorts it and you then have the template with the clicks and plops, so to speak. :-)
Im an FL Studio user. Any plans on making a template for that? Also just got discover and its awesome! Im definitely going to look into upgrading to core eventually.
Any reason why the Wind and Brass stacks use multiple shades of colour (mid and dark Blues and Reds) whilst the Strings are only in one shade (mid Green)?
IS SPITFIRE BBCSO FULL OR CORE RIGHT FOR YOU? I am about to be extremely picky, but hear me out if you are a pro. Let me start by saying I actually bought/paid for: Symphonic Woods and Symphonic Brass, Chamber Strings, and Albion and Solo Strings, and Loegria and Frozen Strings, and a bunch of other libraries, Cinematic soft, Intimate Grand, Hans Zimmer Piano and BBCSO Core. I fecking love Spitfire. I have spent a ton of money on Spitfire samples. BUT: While I like BBCSO CORE for many reasons, none of the instruments compare to the individual Spitfire Symphonic libraries that, thankfully, I already own. The legatos are all pretty nice, but in CORE, there is no close mics, you just get one mix,. AND even with the close mics in BBCSO "PRO" the samples nowhere near as good as the Symphonic series...to my ear...no where near as good. BBCSO is pretty great for sketching, but if you are as particular as I am, then you might find yourself making excuses. Once more I LOVE Spitfire samples and use them as default, but this whole "One Orchestra we can all share," is a bunch of baloney. Yep we can all share it, but neither BBCSO CORE or Pro have the versatility or character or presence of the Spitfire Symphonic libraries so we are really only sharing "good sketches." Thankfully I have all of those other libraries. I downloaded the BBCSO Template and then duplicated tracks so I could keep all of the wonderful routing, and the best of the BBCSO library, but then added all of the articulations from the earlier Symphonic libraries and I have to say I can make mockups that are truly representational of how the pieces might work with a real orchestra. I have used them in a real feature film and no one has noticed. Once we got to Albion we where at a stage where we could actually mimic a real orchestra well enough for all but the most discerning listener. Film loving audiences are very forgiving to great sample libraries, it seems. The average Joe might "feel" something of a difference, but if the script and sound design are good enough you could really just use Albion and squeeze by for most audiences. And the indi filmmaker always loves that. So, in my opinion, after Albion I was never looking for something to just sketch stuff out. We have got to the point where Spitfire libraries can actually carry a real film score if you pay attention to the details. And for my money BBCSO Core and BBCSO Pro, fall "slightly" short of the mark. Combined with the other Symphonic libraries Spitfire has put out, then yes, they are highly viable, but they have to be "combined" and thus we can really only share "good sketches." Okay, let's say BBCSO gives us "great" sketches, they really are great sketches, BUT, was that the point? Let me try to illustrate it this way: If you are like me and got the BBCSO Discover edition and then upgraded to Core and actually wet your pants at the wonders of the extra round robbins, for example, then you are going to actually levitate off the floor if you further upgrade to the Symphonic series. They are beyond sublime. The difference is truly night and day, far superior to the BBCSO Pro edition. TOTALLY convincing to the average listener and utterly inspirational to work with. I am so in love with my current Spitfire template and feel fully able to deliver orchestral works of the highest caliber. But in truth, I was almost already there with all of my previous Spitfire libraries. In real terms I might actually have paid the 400 bucks for BBCSO just to get some really great routing templates, better timpani and an English horn! You all know why you want it...COZ IT IS THE BBCSO recorded at Lindhurst, we are all such fecking snob wannabees. It is a truly wonderful addition to our workflow, but think twice if you already own the previous Symphonic series. In the end I love that I can tell people "oh, yes, I use the BBC Symphonic Orchestra" it says so on my template, but most of the articulations I actually use are from the Symphonic series.
Being rather new to the orchestral programming world, what is the purpose of such an enormous template? is it just to streamline workflow and prevent the need of constantly loading new plugins?
As far as I can tell yes. To stay in the creative mindset and not have to switch to thinking technically making a new track and finding the articulation, routing, naming etc. It’s not how I’ve got my template but then again I’m not doing big orchestral scores.
@@TheCrowHillCo On Reaper 6 the reconstructed Garageband template for BBCSO Discovery makes my trusty iMac call for an ambulance. It takes around twice the CPU power (~70%) of the Garageband template. RAM is no issue at all in both cases. Interestingly BBCSO needs more RAM in Reaper than in GB (1.16 to 1.01). If someone likes to play around with the Reaper template, drop me a line ...
I just got BBCSO Core and my iMac is struggling with it. I've had to increase the buffer size significantly; it's definitely more CPU intensive than EW so far as I can tell. That said, my iMac is getting on, and I could probably use an excuse for the upgrade..... Handles the Discovery library like it isn't even there though, it's tiny.
TheRealWinsletFan interesting can you let me know what you’re struggling with and what your specs are, not just computer but your settings in DAW and the BBCSO plugin?
@@TheCrowHillCo Hi, I'm on a late 2013 iMac 27" with a 3.4GHz i5 and 24GB Ram, the BBCSO samples are on an external Samsung SSD connected over USB 3.0 (direct to iMac, no hubs). I use a Scarlett 18i8 Audio interface. I have not made any changes to the BBCSO plugin settings as yet - though that was my next step. Memory pressure is a definite issue, as the performance improves if I make sure to shut down everything else (so many toolbar wigits!). DAW (Cubase) I previously ran at 128 samples, sometimes 256 depending on load. I had set to 1024 samples, but 512 actually seems a reasonable compromise. I configured up the Satie session from your other video with Core instruments, and a version with equivalent EW Hollywood. The BBSCO test was using about 8GB, and the EW about 9GB, both have a couple of horrendous drop outs on a first playthrough - so much for SSD! The EW player makes a near constant 30-35% load at 512 samples buffer size, the BBCSO player was spiking over 55%. At 256 samples it was over 160%. These aren't the most rigorous tests around, but if you have any suggestions short of buying a faster computer I'd love to hear! :-) (This machine is getting a bit long in the tooth though, so maybe I should just replace it)
@Christian Henson Music Hi, awesome videos and libraries! One potentially stupid question from my part, sorry in advance, is it not possible during this videos with live video calls that both of you use headphones to prevent the mics to pick up each other's voices when switching the camera shots?
@@TheCrowHillCo xD , waiting for my copy of BBC SO Discover! Super excited! Awesome what you did with that particular library, I'm going to make sure many people use it. Cheers from Argentina!
One thing I noticed when downloading the template in protools is that it opens in BBSCO pro. Are there additional templates that open first in Core or first in Discover or do we just manually switch all them?
quick question, how do people like John Powell get around these problems? I'm trying to get a grip on how big I can make my sessions, and truth be told, I don't really know too well what i'm doing half the time. any recommendations are welcome
I see what might be an inconsistency in the naming system: You write Viola/Violas and thn Cello/Celli. Which means you treat Viola as an english name when pluras and the Cello as the proper Italian (Celli in plural). But maybe this is the actual standard in naming the instruments however inconsequent it may be?
Not hard when you've only 8gb of RAM and want to upgrade to 32gb asap - and while I'm at it add 2 tb of ssd too. this machine is ancient but it works. Crashes? It's been like a boy racer with an Audi A4 up the high street. But I'm a granddad driver.
Ha.. I'm right there with you. 8g MacBook Pro that is several years old. Though I do think it's all about what level you're writing at, what style and you're workflow. I don't write orchestral scores at present (hybrid at best) and bounce out regularly, so don't find that I hit the buffer too often but definitely eyeing up a Mac mini with 32g soon. In addition, I have a studio room in the garden where my drums are and had a full set up there for a long time but honestly, found that there was something artificial about going out there which affected my zone. I've now made a corner in a room upstairs with a smaller midi keyboard and I'm finding myself much more motivated to sit down and do a little work up there when the mood hits. If I was full time composing at high level though, then I would relocate to my outdoor space but right now, it's working well.
A stem tutorial would be much appreciated. Thanks for all the work on the templates :)
Yes. I'll second that.
I'll 3rd that...would be very helpful...
Ditto. Ditto
A basic work flow tutorial using each of the templates would be extremely helpful. it would save us newbies hours and hours trying to figure out what we have here.
Thanks so much for sharing your time and talent! cheers
Great stuff! Just noticed that Jake muted tracks but didn’t mute the regions on the play through. Pro tip: as far as I can tell, muting tracks doesn’t save the instruments from playing the note - effectively, it just turns the volume all the way down. For lower CPU usage if people are stemming out the old-school way (bouncing one stem at a time), it’ll be much quicker on your systems to lasso solo regions rather than soloing tracks
Mr. Henson I wanted to say that I love your music. I found you on UA-cam and you help in making me want to get into orchestration. I really enjoy watching you create your music. I’m wishing you much more continued success in your creations in the music business.
Thank you for all the work you did on the templates, it really makes life easier when writing, and certainly makes it much easier when collaborating with other composers and engineers
I wanted to thank you for the Ableton template. It helped to tip the scales in favor of my purchase of BBCSO Core. I love it, by the way!!
"Mines only 64gig" ha ha.. another world at the pro end for sure. 👍
And that's why apple offers a 1.5tb of RAM option hahahaha
It's not as unobtainable as it might seem. Current self-built (desktop/consumer platforms, like Intel i7/i9, or AMD Ryzen - not workstation/high-end like Intel Xeon or AMD Threadripper) PCs support 64GB of RAM, you just start out with a single 16GB stick and add as needed. I'm at 32GB at this point and fully expect to upgrade as my needs expand. My system was $1000 and you could easily have spent less on things like GPU and storage.
I'd love to see a more in-depth stemming tutorial. Thanks for the great videos & content!
Hi Christian and Jake ! When I create a template, the first thing I do is synchronizing Auxes and Busses because it's really more handy not to have to check the input of an Aux ! If I know that Aux 1 is fed by Bus 1, Aux 2 by Bus 2, It's much more simple, don't you think ? I just don't let Logic create a nightmare ! So, I start creating, say 256 Auxes with sync'ed busses : Select all Auxes and click the input box and Shift+Option (alt) select Bus 1 and all the other auxes will receive the same bus number, that is to say : Bus 1> Input for Aux 1, Bus 2 > Inpit for Aux 2, etc... That way reading the console is far more simple ! Anyway, your templates are genius ! Thanks for all your care ! ;-)
would appreciate the ableton one you mentioned but also for Studio One if at all possible . thanks gang.
I think you'll need an account to download it :
vi-control.net/community/threads/spitfire-bbcso-template-for-studio-one-oneorchestra.86645
This is awesome. I downloaded another template over the weekend, but it's great to have the official Spitfire Audio templates!
JJ's BBCSO Pro Tools Template is INSANE ! Well done
Yes please do tutorials on stemming and how to use the templates. I have Pro with Logic and for those of us inexperienced DAW template users it’s overwhelming. This video alone is a great help.
In particular, what makes up a good template? Explain the bus architecture used here. What are industry standards, not just for film but also games. How do you mix, monitor and bounce out with this template? What about using expression maps or articulation sets? Thank you!
@@DanMcLaughlin Yeah it's a lot to get your head round, particularly at the pro end. Writing and bouncing out track which is well mixed is one thing but stacking, steaming, locking and templates. Then sending to protools etc. I realise that my engineering knowledge is one area that needs a huge amount of work.
Another vote for Reaper templates please. It would be nice to unpick a template to see how this all works. Oh and yes, stem tutorial please 👍
stash.reaper.fm/v/39297/BBCSO%20Discover%20full%20scoring%20template.RPP
I'll call this the "Henson-Jackson Benchmark" and I think it's one of the first things I'm going to try when my new PC is delivered, set up and ready to emit steam and smoke.
Yes, you can. My computer. I can't hope to load a full template of the pro version - but thanks that there is the discover version. :D
Thanks guys. A video on stems would be good as I’ve no idea what they are being new to all this. I’d love to see a video of using the Core template to score a short piece to see how the different articulations are incorporated. Do you write celli for example on one track then move bits to the correct articulation tracks or do each bit separately on the correct rack etc. sorry if these seem basic questions but I’ve never done anything like this before. Many thanks once again.
Great work and thanks again for these. A video about Stems and Print tracks would be really useful for those of us new to it. I'm sticking to the multiple instances (or hybrid as you previously called it) as it works well on my Mac with just 16GB, as long as I make sure to only switch on the tracks I actually want to use.
Oh that's cool, my brother was asking about what RAM you have. I'll tell him. Projects built on a 16, taken on by a 64 and system still overloads before being able to move on. Told him it would perron better running off an SSD but really expensive, well he knows that already. He'll want 128 now, and I'll be like "And where do we get that from?" Like Del Boy he is never quits. I'm the Rodney. Does feel like we're hanging on a wire sometimes trying to get somewhere. But then that's what everyone's been going through with lockdown. Can't complain, make use of you've got I say to him. Never sinks in though!
BBCSO Discover is remarkable, and a wonderful gateway to composing for orchestra. Please consider releasing a Studio One template. Thanks!
Love the templates, certainly saved me a lot of effort. The Discovery version is really very very good given the size and cost. Good job chaps. You can Track Stack the long Strings in Logic Pro to create a very nice ensemble. Same for staccato , spicatto or pizzicato.
Just got BBCSO core and I’m just in love with it. Kudos on this template; very new to this type of workflow but I think I’ve wrapped my head around it!
One observation: the brass seems to be clipping with distortion at full dynamics? EDIT - Nvm, I think I’ve basically isolated it to “unrealistic” voicings of the a3 and a4 patches. Cheers!
It’s like the best drug..... and, like the best drug, i want more... saving my pennies for Pro, so i can get the mic placements, solo strings, and more articulations!
Reaper template please
I have s BBCSO discover one with all articulations in folders if you want it
@@onniaarnio3657Cheers Mate! Much Appreciated!
The dreaded system overload. I guess our only hope is a new fully loaded cheese grater.
Not very hard on the machine in Logic. I have 32GB though
Have these plugs been ported to the new Arm based macs? The performance those things are supposed to have do open some intreguing possibilities (I could imagine using relatively cheap Mac Minis loaded up with Vienna Ensemble and BBCSO etc as a lan workhorse. Not sure how the licensing works on all this w/ vienna ensemble network type setups though. I know with Kontakt stuff its a royal pain in the arse.
Just a quick question I'd like to get an answer for Christian.
Could you people implement both an batch re-save mechanic as well as a traditional purge samples mechanic into BBCSO? I'm asking this primarily because the audio workstation I use, Image-Line's Fruity Loops Studio (laugh if you'd like), lacks some essential features needed for working with big templates (such as freeze track/channel). I'd be grateful if any of you could implement these mechanics down the line.
As a bassist, I can confirm that we break everything, but we are a ton of fun!
Purchased Core and using Logic. What an eye-opener this template is. Still wrapping my mind around some of the concepts and how I can repurpose them for other non-Orchestral templates. Conveniently printing audio into a state that is ready for mixing is my personal holy grail - especially with external instruments. Now I know what I've been missing by not using groups more than I do. Speaking of which, follow hide in the mixer is my new best friend. One question: why don't you group the legato tracks?
Ableton template please. I heard it mentioned in the video. Even if you don't do one I'll still buy your stuff. I purchased Discovery right away and am very pleased. I also own Albion One and Spitfire Strings, and share with you various LABS; love all your products. I know Ableton isn't a popular DAW with you guys, but for many different styles that I produce it's great for me. Thanks either way.
So awesome! Thanks for all you share guys!
Hi Christian, just purchased the Core version and loving it! Great as well to have your templates! Do you see the ability to switch on/off techniques and edit them coming to the core version as it is in the pro? Right now only way for me is to use your template which has them already split between longs and shorts. If I load BBC SO myself in another project I can’t unload articulations that I don’t use and it’s getting CPU heavy. Thanks for all that you do, you unveiled media composing for me!
I have already talked to Spitfire about that. Editing articulations is a pro only feature. Very disappointing.
@@Monomorphismus That is a bit. Did they say whether or not it would be added in the future? I would argue it's more necessary on the CORE edition as it's aimed at those who probably don't have the RAM to handle the full orchestra and would need to manage their RAM usage. Also they need to dictate that fact on the website as currently at the time of writing this it is not specified.
@@Monomorphismus indeed, the fact the Core manual documents the feature is not helpful in this regard!
Thank you SO much!! I just bough BBCSO (Core) and this will come in extremely handy!!
So... the only open question remaining now is... does it read #nerdingonwednesdays or #nerdingforthemidweek ...?! Great one, thanks to both of you!
A Cakewalk template would be much appreciated...
About the RAM, that's strange... positively strange. I use BBC SO Pro with my 8 cores 16 threads 64gb RAM and very fast HDD and it runs flawlessly, of course. I've bought a laptop, for sketching. i7 1665G7 HP Envy x360 with 16gb RAM and very good 1tb HDD and never thought of using BBC SO Pro on it. I tried... Perfectly SMOOTH. 60 tracks with PRO, lots of articulations. The HDD runs a lot but no crackles, no drops... nothing. The Presonus page on optimizing Windows 10 for pro audio is a bliss. It totally changes your experience. No drops. With 256 buffers. I'm no Spitfire Audio advocate at all, I'm the first to be surprised of the performance of the library on a quite common laptop, even on battery.
OPTIMIZE YOUR WINDOWS! :) Use your PC only for audio, create a safer account for common tasks and an optimized account for music. No web.
The Presonus page:
support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/articles/360025279231-Optimizing-Your-Computer-for-Audio-Windows-10
There are many more ways to relieve your pro audio PC. Lots of uselesss services that can easily be disabled. It changes everything. Today's gear are more efficient than we think. Optane HDD drives are phenomenally quick on read. I'm no hardware pro though.
Christian, I love the videos. I am in the process of putting together my studio and I am chomping at the bit to play with BBCSO! I will be using Logic as my main recorder/sequencer. A new Mac is in the budget, my question for you is how much RAM do you recommend?
I have yet to see an Ableton template.
Hello. Mr. Henson will and your colleagues ever make a template for beginners like me using just the Free Discover BBC symphony orchestra program for Cubase users using an Mac Book Pro computer?
I have the Pro version. I am very new to logic and samples but have 55 years experience writing music. Could someone point me in the direction of a tutorial on how to get the templates actually into Logic so I can use them. Thank you for all you and your colleagues are doing for music, Christian.
Seems like the cabin fever's kicking in for you guys. XD
Would love a tutorial on stems!
Christian Thank you so much for this work !! Can I assume that the stems you would typically send Jake for your projects would match up to the template examples ? I'm trying to get my Nuendo to Pro Tools flow correct
Everyone knows strings are red, winds are blue, brass is yellow.
whaaaaaaaat?
Strings are red??....
..huh..
Ok, I can potentially see how this would make sense, but nah, I've gotten used to yellow strings and red brass
Strings are Green, Woods are Yellow, Brass is Red, Percussion is Brown, Vox is Purple, Keys/Chrom Perc are Blue, Synths are Purple. That's how my brain's synesthesia processes things.
Winds are green! 🤓
Excuse me? Brass is clearly orange (the most brassy color)! :D
Winds HAVE to be blue c'mon guys, they're called wind and what colour is wind? Blue, that's right. ;)
would really like to see a template for Sonar / Bandlab . any plans?
As i was just about getting used to the vagaries and foibles of using Kontakt, this new plugin comes along (for me, anyway) and i'm wondering how best to use it. Please do a video(s!) on how to get the best performance out of the Spitfire instrument, with regards to memory pressure, maximising performance.
Maybe Apple could use the full BBSO to demonstrate exactly why we need to buy a Mac Pro 28 core 1.5TB Ram machine? 🤣
PS Also, i presume that there isn't a way to use Logic's Articulation Sets with the Spitfire instrument?
The Spitfire Instrument does accommodate the Logic Articulation Sets, at least in the BBCSO Pro version (haven't had a chance to check the Core or Discover versions yet). In order to get them to work you have to set the Keyswitch one octave down in Logic compared to that shown in the Spitfire Instrument. I've had a couple which don't always "behave", in particular the Timpani (and that could be errors in set up on my part) but most appear to work.
@@michaelwright2568 Cool. Thanks for the heads up! I have now the BBC SO Core installed. I'll play around with articulations to see if I can set this up. I had gotten used to using Logic's articulations in the piano roll, as it made editing easier for me... Not much of a keyboard player, and I find it's a bit of a pain using my left hand to do the key switching.
I guess I must also look into the "One track per articulation" method, as recommended by Guy Michelmore.
With me, it's a case of an old dog attempting to learn new tricks!
Not a problem if you have VSL and host it on another computer. The only thing I can't figure out is how to easily move the keyswitches like in Kontakt.
And here I was thinking that 16gb was more than enough for me... On a side note, good thing Spitfire let's you switch articulations by pressing their default key on the lower register of the midi keyboard. So when composing you manually write a note for the articulation and switch back to your liking and it's gonna save you load time and lots of money on RAM. :)
Could we have a link for the templates (specifically for GarageBand please) Thankyou very much
Can you make a template for Hans Zimmer Strings and Eric W. Choirs, I think that would be very helpful for composers for some Spitfire's best libraries.
Can we get some official Cubase Expression Maps? :)
When these templates are opened there is a message in Logic about the missing sync plop file. It shows the expected location of this. To get around this I copied the sync plop from the 300 Strangers project and also used it for the missing Clix.wav which throws up a similar error on first loading. This sorts it and you then have the template with the clicks and plops, so to speak. :-)
Im an FL Studio user. Any plans on making a template for that? Also just got discover and its awesome! Im definitely going to look into upgrading to core eventually.
Any chance for some Studio One templates?
I think you'll need an account to download it :
vi-control.net/community/threads/spitfire-bbcso-template-for-studio-one-oneorchestra.86645
@@_goldfarb_ Thanks will check them out.
Any reason why the Wind and Brass stacks use multiple shades of colour (mid and dark Blues and Reds) whilst the Strings are only in one shade (mid Green)?
16:02 this should officially be the sound of error on every music machine
Please can we have a reaper template, would be much appreciated!
Reply if you want full discover template
@@onniaarnio3657 yes please that would.be fantastic
@@stevedendera stash.reaper.fm/v/39297/BBCSO%20Discover%20full%20scoring%20template.RPP
IS SPITFIRE BBCSO FULL OR CORE RIGHT FOR YOU? I am about to be extremely picky, but hear me out if you are a pro. Let me start by saying I actually bought/paid for: Symphonic Woods and Symphonic Brass, Chamber Strings, and Albion and Solo Strings, and Loegria and Frozen Strings, and a bunch of other libraries, Cinematic soft, Intimate Grand, Hans Zimmer Piano and BBCSO Core. I fecking love Spitfire. I have spent a ton of money on Spitfire samples. BUT: While I like BBCSO CORE for many reasons, none of the instruments compare to the individual Spitfire Symphonic libraries that, thankfully, I already own. The legatos are all pretty nice, but in CORE, there is no close mics, you just get one mix,. AND even with the close mics in BBCSO "PRO" the samples nowhere near as good as the Symphonic series...to my ear...no where near as good. BBCSO is pretty great for sketching, but if you are as particular as I am, then you might find yourself making excuses. Once more I LOVE Spitfire samples and use them as default, but this whole "One Orchestra we can all share," is a bunch of baloney. Yep we can all share it, but neither BBCSO CORE or Pro have the versatility or character or presence of the Spitfire Symphonic libraries so we are really only sharing "good sketches." Thankfully I have all of those other libraries. I downloaded the BBCSO Template and then duplicated tracks so I could keep all of the wonderful routing, and the best of the BBCSO library, but then added all of the articulations from the earlier Symphonic libraries and I have to say I can make mockups that are truly representational of how the pieces might work with a real orchestra. I have used them in a real feature film and no one has noticed. Once we got to Albion we where at a stage where we could actually mimic a real orchestra well enough for all but the most discerning listener. Film loving audiences are very forgiving to great sample libraries, it seems. The average Joe might "feel" something of a difference, but if the script and sound design are good enough you could really just use Albion and squeeze by for most audiences. And the indi filmmaker always loves that. So, in my opinion, after Albion I was never looking for something to just sketch stuff out. We have got to the point where Spitfire libraries can actually carry a real film score if you pay attention to the details. And for my money BBCSO Core and BBCSO Pro, fall "slightly" short of the mark. Combined with the other Symphonic libraries Spitfire has put out, then yes, they are highly viable, but they have to be "combined" and thus we can really only share "good sketches." Okay, let's say BBCSO gives us "great" sketches, they really are great sketches, BUT, was that the point? Let me try to illustrate it this way: If you are like me and got the BBCSO Discover edition and then upgraded to Core and actually wet your pants at the wonders of the extra round robbins, for example, then you are going to actually levitate off the floor if you further upgrade to the Symphonic series. They are beyond sublime. The difference is truly night and day, far superior to the BBCSO Pro edition. TOTALLY convincing to the average listener and utterly inspirational to work with. I am so in love with my current Spitfire template and feel fully able to deliver orchestral works of the highest caliber. But in truth, I was almost already there with all of my previous Spitfire libraries. In real terms I might actually have paid the 400 bucks for BBCSO just to get some really great routing templates, better timpani and an English horn! You all know why you want it...COZ IT IS THE BBCSO recorded at Lindhurst, we are all such fecking snob wannabees. It is a truly wonderful addition to our workflow, but think twice if you already own the previous Symphonic series. In the end I love that I can tell people "oh, yes, I use the BBC Symphonic Orchestra" it says so on my template, but most of the articulations I actually use are from the Symphonic series.
So, I didn’t think I needed that fancy new Mac Pro the price of a car. But now...
Being rather new to the orchestral programming world, what is the purpose of such an enormous template? is it just to streamline workflow and prevent the need of constantly loading new plugins?
As far as I can tell yes. To stay in the creative mindset and not have to switch to thinking technically making a new track and finding the articulation, routing, naming etc. It’s not how I’ve got my template but then again I’m not doing big orchestral scores.
Silly question maybe but the tamplate loads up but without the instruments loaded. How do I get a Core instrument onto the track? Cubase/Windows
what about reaper templates
Colin Blake yes please Colin!
@@TheCrowHillCo On Reaper 6 the reconstructed Garageband template for BBCSO Discovery makes my trusty iMac call for an ambulance. It takes around twice the CPU power (~70%) of the Garageband template. RAM is no issue at all in both cases. Interestingly BBCSO needs more RAM in Reaper than in GB (1.16 to 1.01). If someone likes to play around with the Reaper template, drop me a line ...
If you have discover i have a template
stash.reaper.fm/v/39297/BBCSO%20Discover%20full%20scoring%20template.RPP
There you go. It's only for discover but it's more than nothing.
Yes very cool and informátic this video...bravo christian
Hi Christian thanks for the templates. will they be affected by the new logic version 10 5 ? I was planning to do this asap .
I just got BBCSO Core and my iMac is struggling with it. I've had to increase the buffer size significantly; it's definitely more CPU intensive than EW so far as I can tell. That said, my iMac is getting on, and I could probably use an excuse for the upgrade..... Handles the Discovery library like it isn't even there though, it's tiny.
TheRealWinsletFan interesting can you let me know what you’re struggling with and what your specs are, not just computer but your settings in DAW and the BBCSO plugin?
@@TheCrowHillCo Hi, I'm on a late 2013 iMac 27" with a 3.4GHz i5 and 24GB Ram, the BBCSO samples are on an external Samsung SSD connected over USB 3.0 (direct to iMac, no hubs). I use a Scarlett 18i8 Audio interface. I have not made any changes to the BBCSO plugin settings as yet - though that was my next step. Memory pressure is a definite issue, as the performance improves if I make sure to shut down everything else (so many toolbar wigits!). DAW (Cubase) I previously ran at 128 samples, sometimes 256 depending on load. I had set to 1024 samples, but 512 actually seems a reasonable compromise. I configured up the Satie session from your other video with Core instruments, and a version with equivalent EW Hollywood. The BBSCO test was using about 8GB, and the EW about 9GB, both have a couple of horrendous drop outs on a first playthrough - so much for SSD! The EW player makes a near constant 30-35% load at 512 samples buffer size, the BBCSO player was spiking over 55%. At 256 samples it was over 160%. These aren't the most rigorous tests around, but if you have any suggestions short of buying a faster computer I'd love to hear! :-) (This machine is getting a bit long in the tooth though, so maybe I should just replace it)
I've ordered a new beefier iMac, but it's going to be about 6 weeks until its here, so I'm probably going to try tweaking those numbers
Is BBCSO Discover good in Cakewalk Bandlab?
Hi! What is the difference between templates 2 and 3? I understand 2 has routing and 3 is just a stereo mix, but what is the difference? Thanks!
Can we Reason Studios users get a template please?
Can you PLEASE tell me how to set up a digitech vocalist VHM5 in Cubase 7, I am using a Focusrite Scarlet 212 interface, I would be so grateful.
Good God this is horrible complicated. How about a template for Ableton for the discovery or can anyone on here help
Me too. Ableton please.
Nice experiment! I feel sorry for your computers. 😄
hi guys thanks so much for the template its great i was curious could u also create one for FL Studio
It woud be very interesting to see what you cn achieve with the new Samsung T7 NVMe Drive Christian... :)
PCI-e SSD with a read of 3,000MB/s I think
@Christian Henson Music Hi, awesome videos and libraries! One potentially stupid question from my part, sorry in advance, is it not possible during this videos with live video calls that both of you use headphones to prevent the mics to pick up each other's voices when switching the camera shots?
I’d rather not!
@@TheCrowHillCo xD , waiting for my copy of BBC SO Discover! Super excited! Awesome what you did with that particular library, I'm going to make sure many people use it. Cheers from Argentina!
Hello Christian , is the difference of 64GB memory between your 2 computers make a huge difference?
Why is Reaper always ignored?
48kHz sessions, or higher?
Is there a possibility to switch between Core and Discover, if you have those two?
Yes, that works
One thing I noticed when downloading the template in protools is that it opens in BBSCO pro.
Are there additional templates that open first in Core or first in Discover or do we just manually switch all them?
Maybe that's not exactly what you want, but you can change the standard instrument to load on starting in the preferences.
Reaper templates ?
stash.reaper.fm/v/39297/BBCSO%20Discover%20full%20scoring%20template.RPP
quick question, how do people like John Powell get around these problems? I'm trying to get a grip on how big I can make my sessions, and truth be told, I don't really know too well what i'm doing half the time. any recommendations are welcome
Marnix Peeters running two computers with VEP will help. Then a lot of resources of course. And they don’t necessarily use all the tracks
I need that Spitfire tshirt
I see what might be an inconsistency in the naming system:
You write Viola/Violas and thn Cello/Celli. Which means you treat Viola as an english name when pluras and the Cello as the proper Italian (Celli in plural).
But maybe this is the actual standard in naming the instruments however inconsequent it may be?
What's the italian plural of Viola?
Will a16 gb m1 MacBook run core?
Studio One template please! :)
I have a Mac mini with 64gb. it breaks my system frequently :-(
How about a 5.1 version? 😀.
Can you do one for Reason 10 please?
Not hard when you've only 8gb of RAM and want to upgrade to 32gb asap - and while I'm at it add 2 tb of ssd too. this machine is ancient but it works. Crashes? It's been like a boy racer with an Audi A4 up the high street. But I'm a granddad driver.
Ha.. I'm right there with you. 8g MacBook Pro that is several years old. Though I do think it's all about what level you're writing at, what style and you're workflow.
I don't write orchestral scores at present (hybrid at best) and bounce out regularly, so don't find that I hit the buffer too often but definitely eyeing up a Mac mini with 32g soon.
In addition, I have a studio room in the garden where my drums are and had a full set up there for a long time but honestly, found that there was something artificial about going out there which affected my zone.
I've now made a corner in a room upstairs with a smaller midi keyboard and I'm finding myself much more motivated to sit down and do a little work up there when the mood hits.
If I was full time composing at high level though, then I would relocate to my outdoor space but right now, it's working well.
Any chance to make these available for Presonus Studio One?
I think you'll need an account to download it :
vi-control.net/community/threads/spitfire-bbcso-template-for-studio-one-oneorchestra.86645
It did break mine on Cubase.
apparently, I'm missing the click wav file?
It's in some of the template folders, but not all of them, I just unzipped all the templates and copied around the wavs
Waiting for my BBC library , 5 days and counting
Was it the free version? Because that says very specifically that it will be sent to you 14 days after you complete the survey.
@@designator7402 yeah , It's the free version
really? trust me, it's worth 49 bucks (and a lot more)
@@unclemonty9506 haha
Move over ORCH5!
tldw: yes
Stemming tutorial video yes, please!
Alternative Title: Watch as Christian and Jake tries to give self - consciousness to their computers and start the domination of A.I. on the world.
Francesco Passanisi yeah we shamed those machines eh? Mind you we’ll be first in line once the “Rise” starts.
@@TheCrowHillCo Fighting Machines by creating gigantic orchestral templates? COUNT ME IN!
I am struggling with manual link inside the templates. It points to piano book sample pack, anyone has different link to download manuals?
TheMalliniak you should re download the templates. You have an out of date one. Sorry!
@@jakejacksonengineer Thanks! Great job with it. Helps me a lot!
shame the orchestra is called the BBC
Real cringe.
first
I'll be looking for BBCSO Professional templates for Cubase Pro 10.5 and Studio One Pro 4.6
I think you'll need an account to download it :
vi-control.net/community/threads/spitfire-bbcso-template-for-studio-one-oneorchestra.86645