How To Use - ORCHESTRAL TEMPLATES
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Whats all this BBCSO about and can you really get a whole symphony orchestra for free??? (yes, see here) www.spitfireau...
...and where are these templates (you don't have to have BBCSO to use!): www.spitfireau...
Those two useful tutorials:
MIX TUTORIAL: • In Depth Tutorials - J...
COMPOSITION TUTORIAL: • Can Anyone Create Orch...
CONTENTS OF THIS VIDEO:
1:57 Why Templates???
4:47 Composing With Templates
16:59 Track-laying For Tracking / Mixing / Transfer to Pro Tools
21:14 Mixing With Templates
25:58 Final Stereo Bounce and Stemming Mixes
#oneorchestra
1:57 Why Templates???
4:47 Composing With Templates
16:59 Track-laying For Tracking / Mixing / Transfer to Pro Tools
21:14 Mixing With Templates
25:58 Final Stereo Bounce and Stemming Mixes
Taken from Christan's Description!
If Christain can get one of his assistances to go back and add these features to all his old and new videos, that would be great.
Hey Chrisitan! UA-cam added this new functionality called Chapters where it adds the sections over the timeline of the video. To make it work you just have to add the timestamps on the descriptions but it is really important that you add a 00:00 timestamp at the beginning for it to work. Cheers!! Enjoying the Core library, but still struggling to make anything worthwhile beyond a 4 bar loop.
Christian,you have really changed my life as a composer and musician,I can't thank you enough.
Absolutely fine tutorial, I have appreciated the whistle stop tour that Christian and Jake give of the process and the coherence templates for BBC Discover bring to our efforts of media composition. Maximum creating without technology tears.
Same
Really appreciate all of the template talk. Templates are like having a clean kitchen and all of your ingredients rinsed and ready to go before you start cooking.
What a good analogy, I'm still at the chesse on toast stage 😊
Perhaps the most consistently brilliant creator on UA-cam, videos like these and product like BBCSO Discover and Pianobook open doors that most people can only dream about. You're an undeniably valuable asset to not only budding composers like myself, but to this entire platform. Proud to be a subscriber mate.
It’s always so validating to hear of another successful and celebrated composer who can’t read music. I’ve often felt ever so slightly inadequate for not being a “fluent” sight-reader, and hearing somebody like Christian Henson, or Tim Minchin, or Paul McCartney, or Danny Elfman say they can’t read music either does wonders for my self-esteem.
The free LABS libraries, The Composer magazine, Your video Tutorials, Your contribution to the Pianobook website ... Mr Henson, thank you so much for sharing all your experience & knowledge , since i've started diving in your work , i've grabbed a massive 150 GB of content for a ridiculous cheap amount ... you managed to bring me back to classical music with a new way of listening to it .... Thank you again.
Christian, you finally inspired me to purchase BBCSO Pro with this video. I have downloaded the Template, and I am set. Thank you !!
making a template made this stuff a lot more fun. No waiting for patches to load between ideas.
keeps you in the flow
Hi Christian. First of all I would like to say Thank you for what you do with your tutorials, and spitfire audio. I can say that you changed my life and gave me the strength to achieve my dream: become a composer. I decided this year to leave my old job behind me and to follow my dreams, and I will do my best to achieve that by following your tutorials. You are my messiah 😁👍. THANK YOU
Awesome work! All of my life since my brief days at CALARTS I've been wanting to score Orchestral arrangements to movies, and arrange music to my original Gospel songs.
Because of SpitFire audio libraries and your tutorials I am able to achieve my musical dreams.
Thank you Christian!
I want to thank you, Chris, Paul and all the spitfire team for all the great videos and ressources you’re making around your libraries. As someone with little to no music theory background I never thought I could one day really making orchestral music, but all your videos really pushed me into it. It shows passion and dedication. Please keep doing this fantastic job !
I'm always learning from Christian's videos. What a gem to the community. Thanks Christian!
God bless you folks, there is a template for Reaper! You folks are awesome!
Thanks for this helpful video. In all my years of composing, i have only just got into templates so all tutorials are a help.
I would be happy with just a quarter of Jake's knowledge of mixing lol.
Absolutely brilliant guys and for me, one of your best videos so far. A real popcorn video that I devoured with an Irish Coffee!
I need to go back and just complete getting my head around the mix and playback separate stemming but it was exactly what I needed to see at this point.
Gave me an idea though of how you could take it one stage further. If you're of a certain age, you'll remember that game where one person's draws a head a neck and then folds the paper over for the next to draw the body etc?
How about doing something like that but with a musical composition? Could be amusing if not immenently educational! 😏 Cheers.
I watched this before - but after watching the video again - I feel like saying - Thx for the great tutorial!😊
I love the atmosphere in your videos! It's so relaxing to watch you talk in front of a lake or on top of a mountain!!
One of the best! Thanks Christian and Jake for sharing!
The “Double Jug” is frankly terrifying!
Brilliant video, as always - love the John Barry vibe of the piece. Well done, gentlemen.
Consistently the most helpful and valuable content to help long term aspiring composers to begin to take tentative steps forwards to being able to write my own music. Thank you!
You managed to finish the video before being savaged by swans, so good job
What a beautiful moment of musical narration have you managed to create here. How touching. And how hilarious that duck got angry at you towards the end :) All lovely - can’t wait to receive the BBC Pro on SSD soon (it’s already dispatched, how exciting!)
have you ever done a Video about how you go from your composition in your daw to turning it into a score for the orchestra?
Thanks for this tutorial. I really enjoyed seeing this real-world application. If only I could apply some mixing principles to make the music sound richer. I’ll checkout the two extra videos from this. If it’s any help, I programmed the key switch for opening and closing stacks as: CTRL CMD -> (Right Arrow) then CTRL CMD
OO Please put this on youtube Euan I would love to see this? Thank you
Option+click a track stack arrow to close or open them all :)
Wonderful video. I love seeing behind the process of all things musical. And to have Jake Jackson do your mix? Thats just the icing on the cake. Great stuff.
Uh, oh. Now I see why it will be necessary to (eventually) upgrade. Very informative--many thanks for doing this!
always bright mood Christian, thanks for your advices hope to learn more about templates and Logic, Spitfire guys you are awesome!
An excellent vid, thank you so much.From my personal perspective a great intro with strong pointers as to where I need to be heading.
Would be a real killer to be able to change all mic-settings the same way you switch modes.
Go from vintage-mono to ambisonic on all instances in a second.
This was actually amazing. You're producing top content here.
Wow thanks, really informative. A great introduction to adding orchestra to my own songs.
Thanks for the video! FYI, In the description, add the 00:00 timestamp, and the 'chapters' will appear on the timeline!
Thank you for this video and Thank You for the Discover library...It just arrived in my inbox today. Unfortunately, my MacBook was stolen a few days ago and my back-up is too old, 10.6.8., So, I have to wait until I can get a newer updated computer to enjoy and work with them. Until then, I am taking in all of these videos so I can best be prepared when I can finally use them.
Thanks again for all your hard work, you and Paul and the entire Spitefire team amaze me! Cheers from California!
Ouch, sorry to hear about your computer being stolen, that's awful :(
Went out for a walk and came back to find my laptop and two guitars gone...no other gear was taken, I guess easy to pawn the computer and guitars...Thanks Mate for the condolences.
With regards to the opening shot, what a coincidence! The very last video I watched was of a version played on Core of Swan Lake!
I'm jaw-dropped at the resources you've just provided - first, Jake Jackson's how-to for his Cubase BBCSO template and now this one on templates in general. Honestly, 24 hours ago I thought I was just buying software. Every time I stumble on a new level of Spitfire instruction, I buy the next mode up from the one I bought 24 hours ago. (Or who are we kidding, this is more than instruction, it's like having a musically savant cousin drop by and then stay for 6 months until you've "got it", at no charge). I've gone from Discover to Pro in less than 3 days because I see now I've got the after-instruction to actually make good use of it and even master the thing. Has anyone else been completely overwhelmed by the world of templates up to this point? I consider the Jake, Christian, Alex and Andy templates worth $999 themselves, before we even get to the bloody software. Other companies could learn from this customer service - but at this point I have no appetite for the competition. Why leave a furnished house? THANK YOU SPITFIRE.
P.S. I'm absolutely no one of consequence and do not work for any audio or software company.
One of my favorite music teachers online.....lol
Great video! Legit chortle at "Double Jog" at 22:47
Hey Christian, first time commenter here but long time follower. Thank you for everything you've done for the community! I can't say how much all of these videos help bring about a collective conscious in our quite solitary and isolated space. That being said! I've used some of the genius in your template to design my own template and was wondering how on earth you grouped/renamed your busses in the send menu in Logic? Been DYING to do this forever!
Love the BBCSO Template. Can you and Jake attempt a 5.1 BBCSO Template? I am curious to know how using the seperate mics in BBCSO would sound separated in a 5.1 template. 😀
Awesome, what else can I say? You guys are massive help for my music and engineering education, and also a huge inspiration. Thank you thank you
Hi Christian, I need to write/comment to thank you for the free "DISCOVER" Wow! Are you Mental! Lol! This is a great giveaway. I remember you from the VSL Moan way back in early 2000's and now you are giving away this! It's incredible what we can achieve when we are angry and pushed and just go for it in life! Many thanks again!
jees...you seriously couldn't afford £49? tightwad
@@unclemonty9506 I've spent around £1,200+ on spitfire products and was buying "Albion" first time round. I have spent a few grand on other libraries too. In fact I bought the first decent notation programme in 1989 called C-LAB "Creator/Notator" with Mirage Dsk sampler and library that was £2,500+ at the time and a lot of money back then. So I have seen and put my money where my mouth is from the beginning of sample libraries. I moved over from composing to performance last year and so I don't follow any of the sample Lib development for this time until I was emailed about this. So, I tried the free lib not believing what a great lib it is. Also, if you ever run a company you will need Feedback to gauge your product relevance so offering something for free is NEVER free as the information gathered helps the company with relevance and the customer need in regards to product. It's ironic that you take that tone because the first time I heard of Christian it was a similar silly thing, hence the VSL moan lol. Also, I have two channels on youtube and one [Clifford Martin] where I demo spitfire and other stuff so the evidence is there should you wish to check it out. ...Incidentally you have NOTHING on your channel, can't afford to make a video? Tightwad lol!
If you turn off the stacks using Option+Click with the on/off switch for each stack, then it properly unloads all the instances so you can click on the stack header without loading all the instances. I've done this in my edit of the template.
Fantastic post, Christian. For me, this was a missing link to composing with a full symphony. I'm using Pro, so I definitely appreciate the pre-populated Pro template! Many thanks!
Oh, also, Jake -- your mixing skills are sublime. I plan on closely observing how you approached the mixing with my next piece, specifically around your use of different mic sets and compression. Bravo, sir!
Thank you Chris! Most excellent advice!
As always, this channel offers great content! Thank you sincerely, Christian, amazing work, especially for the sharing and collaboration spirit!
PS. Nice and beautiful background!
Gotta give it a try, looks like a massive time saver! Thanks a bunch.
Thank you for such a detailed example. Fantastic templates.
Tip for those, like me, if trying to work on a large project on a lower powered computer where it's starting to grumble a little... print the stems to audio as Christian does in the video, but do each stack one at a time. Then create a new project with the template and import the print stems. Re-route the output of the Print tracks to Bus 255 and do your final mix from the audio stems.
Or maybe freeze the tracks if your DAW supports it
This is brilliant. Thank you so much for posting this.
Thank you for explaining it. You make it fun to write 😊
The whole printing part was definately not for beginners but was very very interesting. I wonder whether you may consider elaborating on that a little more in the near future please.
Thanks for so many videos! Greetings from Argentina!
Unfortunately, I don't speak English well (this is from a translator) and this complicates things a bit.
I am working creating orchestral music for a video game, my first experience, and I am extremely excited.
I recently bought my BBC PRO version, amazing !!!! It has made me grow and really enjoy the compositions.
I downloaded the template, but unlike the one shown here, it has all the versions of the instrument (there is no need to duplicate anything), but above all, many tracks in the mixer in addition to the instrument, and I do not fully understand what each one is about .
Any suggestions on how to learn how to use it? It would be great for me.
I have become a fan of Spitfire, its way of doing things and collaborating with musicians, and obviously, a follower of your videos.
Thanks again for so much passion and dedication!
Hi. Thank you so much, this video is amazing! I wondereed where I could still get access to the template? I'm a new BBCSO owner and really looking forward to getting to grips. Thank you in advance, 🙏 Chris
Wow background in the beginning is amazing.
Hello! Great video, very very useful. I would really like to see a video where you show us how to create a template like this, of course in a much smaller scale. Maybe with only woodwinds or an instrument family. The routing is very tricky, even by looking at one of the templates you did, it's hard to understand how everything works. Maybe show us how to create the Print tracks/folders, or how are you routing the verbs and stuff.
Anyway, thanks again for the video, great content!
If you follow the template videos on my vlog we've documented the whole process. I would recommend you open the lightest version of the template. This has no stemming it is just straight out to stereo. But also if you want to break them down simply delete the tracks you don't want.
Great 'splainer, as always! I Anybody else look at Jake and see Ryan Reynolds?
Hi Christian, your video is really helpful. I implemented a lot of your template in mine. But I think that I found a way to make it a little bit more efficient both CPU wise and visually. I'm discussing it with other composers and I would like to get into it also with you!
Gentleman, thanks for this great video. One question: I usually work in ProTools with rhythm section, vocals and orchestra. Can I open this template in an existing session or do I need to start with this template? Thanks!
Great video - absolutely love seeing Jake and Christian together in these.
Question for Christian - how would you use BBCSO when scoring something large and bombastic like Mars, Bringer of War? I'm doing this for an audiodrama I'm producing and I've found it difficult to take the amount of instruments in the sheet music and, using your incredible template, making them sound real when so much is going on, i.e. six different Horn parts??
Question for Jake - When you're doing your initial solo pass, do you have a reverb "space" in mind when you're dialing in your individual instrument's reverb sends?
Thank you both for your continued contribution to this space - it's truly incredible.
This piece gives me big World of Warcraft vibes :D Love it
Really fantastic. Bought Discover; will save up for Pro. Cheers and Thanks.
Cédric Mialaret, THANK YOU for the Studio One template!!
Hi there !
I really love your bbcso templates. But you now what (I guess) we would love yet more ? A mixed demo project using bbcso and the magic ears of Jake Jackson. Am I right ?
Beautiful composition!
Thank you so much for everything. You are sharing a lot with us! There is no word to say how much it's important for me. Go ahead please ;o))) Take care and have a nice day.
Hello Christian,
Thank you for creating this video series on how to use these wonderful and expressive sample libraries.
I already downloaded the Discover version but don't own any of the DAW's for which templates are available on 'the Page'
Now I see how fantastic this works, having a template for my DAW would make composing and exchanging with the modes so much easier.
Can you show what the key elements are so I can create my own template?
Maybe you could add a guide to create such a personalised template to 'the Page' to help out other composers out there.
I now have BBSO installed, and your template open in Logic (and thank you so much for this work!!). But lots of questions...First, how come there is no panning in the template? Is the panning meant to come out through the mic placement - eg the way it was recorded..? No, that doesn't seem right. Should I go through and add my own orchestral panning to each track? Can do, just wondering what that wasn't in the template. Thanks.
Core is fantastic. But it’s like crack cocaine; once you start, you need that better high.... i want Pro so badly, now!!
I’ve found, once i started into core’s amazing depth, i wanted MORE!! Solo strings, mic placements, articulations, you’ve created a monster!!
This what I have been waiting for
Hi Christian. Can you elaborate on the BBSO update that just hit? Maybe a video showing new features? I'd love to know before I continue using core. Thanks!
I am a singer songwriter Multi instrumentalist and I am interested in exploring more of this kind of composition. Thank you for so many great insights. I will explore more of your Tutorials.
I await My Spitfire library as I type this. Supposed to arrive today so the timing is perfect. I Really like that small 2 channel mixer to to your left. It seems so intuitive. What is the model? I am shopping for something decent that isn't $800.
Hello Christian,
By any chance, would it be possible to get a detailed explanation or graph about the way you setup the routing globally of the BBCSO Pro Template , and mostly for Stem Stack 600, 700, 800, 900? ...... Thank you so very much for everything you and your team are doing. It's so helpful and exciting. Every time you release a new product, it's like Christmas before Christmas!!!!
Iv understood everything in this template except the need for these stem stack groups.
Love the ducks
Thank you Gents... great info for a Newbie here.
Christian, I know it's pedestrian, but could you do a tutorial on quantizing? Perhaps at the idiot level? In all seriousness, I understand the concept and practice, but every time I lay something down that's tempo sensitive I immediately freak out internally about the exact steps I should take in either Logic or Cubase to just lock those notes into time, clean them up, so to speak. Like ... when to use eighth note, sixteenth note, etc. I know what those tempos and notes are, intellectually, but I'm utterly lost as to which settings to use quickly when quantizing, right after I've written some lines. Man, I'd appreciate any wisdom on the subject. Hoping others feel the same way ...
Thanks as always for the terrific content!
This is really incredible content and sound .
I would LOVE a template for Cakewalk!
Hi Christian, I'm using Studio One DAW, noticed the template is not available for S1. Can I ask you to consider adding a template for this DAW as well? Thank you for great material.
It would be awesome if you could do a tutorial which assumes very little experience. Explain the routing in detail, and why you made the choices you did when creating these templates. Someone brand new to composing who has just purchased BBCSO Core will have trouble following this video.
For example, for someone just starting out, the first thing you do here _("I want to monitor out of [the Mix Monitor], but also I'm just going to send it out to [this output] so you can hear it")_ is going to be completely meaningless to them.
I have used the template for a while. But now that I have continued buying libraries (since bbc), I think it would be cool with an update to the template. For instance I sometimes would like to have the different strings (bbc, AR1, AR2) in different trackstacks/folders, but still keep the structure of short/long/fx aux etc. Mostly I miss an easy way of one button solo/muting just Iconic Strings or others.
I just can't figure out a good way to do it without ruining the template.
Thanks so much for the GREAT video(s)! 👍👍What are the PRINT channels? Do I need them? Also, how can I add a few more soft-synths into the template?
What about a dissection of how the routing/etc. is "built" (like how to strip out specific articulations within CORE on a single instrument track, or how the midi channels are routed, or the signal chain etc.) with a little bit of the methodology behind it? Some real-world scenarios that you have run into, i.e. "When I started working with so and so we came up with this idea that you could do blah blah by routing x into y so that the other people can just do blank without hassle..." etc.
I find that when this kind of information is shared, then other people take it, run with it, improve it, and it goes back to the originator and evolves into something even better next time.
I think this is largely covered in previous videos we made when building these. This is a response to people wanting to see it in use.
Will you guys keep updating BBCSO (fixing issues and new features) and make it better and better? I've summarized some problems I found in some legato patches of some instruments in BBCSO. I've raised a ticket in your community channel and also support tickets, hope you guys could fix that and make it better!
We're always fixing everything we do... our updates rollout for entire range is pretty exemplary IMHO.
Yes, fascinating video, works really well. Rather enjoyed the almost random new instruments call from third party, should be made a regular feature. I bought Core, so I was doubly taken with the vid. Great Stuff, Thanks
Thank-you for this. I've watched so many of your videos lately I almost feel like you live here. I have just rewatched this as I'm heavily entrenched in bringing an orchestral composition of mine into Cubase and I'm using the template. I noticed this time that when mixing, you didn't ever turn on the reverb for an instrument within the BBCSO player (or whatever you call it), but used some other reverb instead. I wondered why that is? Is it just a preference or to save memory (though I can't imagine that is an issue with your set-up).
#oneorchestra Brilliant! I don't know where to ask this, but will there be a Core template for Studio One? Or should I just use the Discover template for Studio One and try to expand that one??
I sent through a detailed template for FL Studio for Discover to Spitfire. I think it would be nice to acknowledge the world's most popular DAW whether or not it has all the bells and whistles of Logic or whatever
Certainly would be! Did we get it.... is it up on the Page? Thanks so much if it is!!!
@@TheCrowHillCo Hey Christian, no it's not up yet. I got an email to say it was being reviewed but haven't heard anything since
Great video. Could you explain how you set up all the audio tracks and busses to print the stems within the session? Is this possible without an multi-channel AD/DA convertor?
Hi Christian and Jake,
really great video and such an eye opener, thank you.
Question: (Probably more directed towards Jake)
I've downloaded the Discover template for Protools but I dont have the Space reverb plugin.
by any chance could you give us an idea of what settings you used with it? ( so that I can try recreate something similar with another reverb plugin)
Thanks again for all the amazing content, the template blew my mind.
It was just a large hall. They are place holders for your own favourite reverb.
At 20:47 you say the file is only a few MB (80.9MB to be exact without any audio printed)... I'm assuming it's larger with audio. However, when I start adding Kontakt instruments to this template, it begins to become a Behemoth of a file... 3GB. Am I doing it wrong?
Great video, thanks. I love the BBCSO VST, it sounds really good in Ableton.
Given your surroundings, any inspiration for a...wait for it...'Swan Lake' template? (I'll get my coat).
First Like and Comment!!! Haha!
Great Content 👌
Ever wonder, if there is a function in ANY DAW where you can hide unused tracks. Makes navigating and scrolling through the arrangement much more easier. Ableton has a FOLD option in Midi Tracks. Thats what we need in Arrangement Views. Someone agree?
Hello Christian,
I hope you're doing well. Is it possible to get a video of how was WALTZ OF THE FLOWERS - PYOTR ILYICH TCHAIKOVSKY created on BBCSO CORE? I am interested in seeing the work flow of how you recreate something that already existing. Was it imported as a midi from a notation software, then adjusted velocity, expression, dynamics, etc on DAW after? Or, was it played directly into DAW? Either way, I am interested in seeing that.
Thank you
Hey does have any tips or sources on blending Discover with other instruments reverb wise? I did read that it wasn't as easy as finding an IR of of Maida Vale. I wouldn't be using other orchestral instruments and mostly just using this by itself to write epic symphonies. However I also like symphonic metal like Nightwish and am even thinking about singers like Linda Rontsadt and Frank Sinatra that had strings behind them. With the reverb down it's pretty dry but just curious (or lazy) about mixing sampled instruments from different rooms, thanks! EDIT: I guess I was being really lazy, I found a video called "In Depth Tutorial - How To Mix Orchestral Samples Recorded In Different Locations" on the Spitfire youtube channel, pretty good.
can I have the striped down version of the template I can't go to the page any more of the link provided.
Great video!
Is there a template for BBC Discover intended for cubase elements? Cubase elements allows a maximun of 24 VST instruments so when I open your template I can use about half of them, the others are locked.
How can I make the click track audio match the tempo of the project? 🤔