Just learned this, and have to share it. Ok, so Arven mentions right before jumping into the Great Crater that the professor is 'railroading' them. The group consists of four people. All the way back in Red and Blue, if you check the TV in your room, the description mentions a film about four friends travelling down railroad tracks. This is a reference to the film Stand By Me. And what is it that the characters are searching for in that movie? A dead body.
I genuinely believe, if the devs had some extra time for scarlet and violet they would easily crown the best 3d mainline games. The entire plot of area zero, arven, the professors and koraidon/miraidon is absolutely incredible
@@demilembias2527 XY is... weird. ORAS is good. USUM is hilarious. LGELGP is a remake of all time. SS is... bad. BDSP is underwhelming. LA is something unique. SV is broken, but had the right idea. Edit: apparently I'm only talking about game mechanics and even after others clarify that SV isn't a bad story, "wokees" deny it for the reason of "it's a pokemon game", which I find funny. Yes! A game is bad because of the series it's based around! Logic!
What I kinda love is how like these two represent the main theme of the game pushed to its narrative and moral extreme. “Finding what you treasure most”, oh boy they certainly found it… and chased after it without thinking about any of the consequences. They’re what happens when a dream, a treasure, turns into unchecked obsession.
@dreamyflowerboy4811 Kind of felt like, to me personally, that they fervently pursued to obtain what they thought was a precious treasure, only to discover in the end that the treasure they thought they sought turned out to be more like fool's gold... and their real treasure would be the son they would never see again.
Something interesting I noticed is that when you fight them, the game changes their name from AI Sada/Turo, to *PROFESSOR* Sada/Turo. That manic dialogue during the battle isn't just the system talking, it's what the original professors would've actually said. They were genuinely insane.
The Professors must've been extremely desperate to see there dreams be a reality. There Ai must've learned the damage they would caused and realized they could've damaged the entire world so they called the player to stop the time machine. But the original professors didn't realize the damages they would've called so if they was still alive they most likely wouldn't call the players to fix there mistake. That's crazy to think about. If they was still alive they would've been the villains. Edit:So ive learned that appeartly, the paradox pokemon we're in the great creator before the time machine. So that means what ever is inthe great creator must have some time paradox mumbo jumbo. So I feel like Sada/Turo wanted to tap into that power over time with the time machine. And then cataclysm happened and killed them. All of this happen right after the start of the game. Koraidon or Miraidon was retreating from the cataclysm that happened in the great creator. So I have a personal theory about the great creator. I have a feeling that durring the beginning middle just between the new games and legends Arceus I feel like there was some divine intervention between dialga and the great creator. Or it could be another pokemon entirely. As we really don't have the 3rd pokemon to complete the box trio. Then again did Enternatus really count as the trio between Zacian and Zamazentta? Do we call them the Darkest Day Trio? Not sure. But if there is a third im hoping that will explain the great creator. There probably saving that for dlc. Besides in the scarley and violet books. There was a Pokemon that was not seen in the wild. Apparently it was one that looked like all the swords of justice as 1 and the same for what I think is the legendary dogs. We never saw them so I assume those are being saved for future dlc. Or something...I need lore!
Ill say blind by ambition so much they think that the destruction of the current ecosystem is "natural" the Ai even said that the real professor did love Arven I honestly really love this games story
@@JDarkAngeI It was pretty clear from previous battles that this battle was going to be in the late 60s so just build your team around that if you want more challenge. Some people are like "im overleveled" my brother in christ you choose the pokemon
@sekialbe you're making big assumptions , pal. And incorrect ones too. My team was same lvl as the opponent. Same against Volo, about the same. My argument had nothing to do with being overleveled or not. Instead it is about the fact that vs a 6+2 Pokémon team is harder than just a 6. Try to not get ahead of yourself next time and make such big assumptions. Doesnt make you look good if you end up being wrong big time. Just an advise
@@SilverwingedBat I had a team in the 70s twice, second time ev trained, and Sada was still kicking my butt. She's not as strong as Cynthia, but she ain't no chump when it comes to her strength.
I think the most *frightening* thing about AI Sada and Turo is that they’re able to fight you after *just* catching their entire team, one by one. They know nothing about said team until it comes through time, and yet they still manage to challenge you.
Perhaps more frightening is the fact that, as AI -- and especially as AI *who just caught their whole team* -- the idea of human love empowering one's Pokémon was void. No such thing existed, yet look at what an incredible threat they were. Something stronger than love -- or something trying to be -- was there, so subtle, trying so hard.
This is a bit questionable ... almost every mon had tm moves; e.g. flutter mane had Thunderbolt, roaring moon had stone edge and iron valiant had poison jab
@@nishantdayama4558 TM moves can also be learned in other ways, i.e. through breeding. While they can’t breed with any Pokémon from *our* time, they most certainly can still breed back in their own.
@@frostkitsunelive7661 Good point, but odds wise, this argument still doesn't suffice. Like, what are the odds that AI Sada gets the one roaring moon (out of a random bunch) that has undergone chain breeding to get both stone edge and earthquake, and all other such Paradox Pokemon?
Oh, I agree- I don't see anyone else talking about how raw it was that it wasn't even fully caught yet and the professors just hold it and don't even look like they know what the turnout will be. Like, yeah, it's a Master Ball, but it really just captures this sort of "Nothing can defy my will or expectations, for it is simply impossible for me to fail" and makes the buildup to the fight itself so much more menacing.
Also gnarly that they’re casually pulling a Pokémon from another time and making them instantly do their will. The Professors were absolutely ruthless here.
I know right! I never thought about someone holding a pokeball while it's still shaking. As you said, it is a master ball and it would never break out but it was still such a badass scene
The professor standing up there catching a master ball out the portal and dropping in down to fight you is big gigachad energy. One of the biggest flexes in the series.
Yeah coming directly from the time machine, what a bunch of gigachads. I would have loved to explore at least a tiny bit of the distant past/future tho, pretty much like ultra-wormholes in USUM.
It's how Sada and Toro managed to capture Paradox Pokemon from the Past and Future. They sent Master Balls through the time machine to guarantee a successful capture. It's why it consistently keeps spitting them out.
@@mihaimercenarul7467 My man why are you so obsessed with shitting on this game? Is it that important to you to tell every comment thread on here that you dislike it? Like no shit something like this has been done before in different media. No fucking shit. It's Pokemon my guy. It's never been that deep. You're not being revolutionary in telling people that it's been done before. It's a pretty decent story, which Pokemon needed. It didn't need to reinvent the wheel.
An interesting detail I just noticed. Sada drops her pokeballs with her right hand while Turo drops his from his left. So from our perspective, Sada's pokeballs are on our left and Turo's is on our right. In English, we often conceptualize left as going back and right as going forward just like how Sada is drawing Pokemon from the past or back in time and Turo is drawing Pokemon from the future or forward in time.
One of the things I love about the start of this fight is the fact that it says, "AI Sada/Turo initiated a battle." Not "challenged you to a battle." Initiated. The player doesn't want to battle. But the overrided AI doesn't give you a choice, and thus a fight is initiated. Edit: added more explanation
And then when you get the second phase under all the glitchy text if you were to pause you could see “AI Sada/Turo no longer has the will to fight” or something like that
No. That's not what that means fam, it means that you the player didn't have a choice in the matter. Like yea sure really you don't but also thematically you don't have a choice. Initiated means they did so on their own, without your input as opposed to the word challenged which intrinsic has choice as a part of what it means. Where initiated is completely one-sided. Idk how you got "they didn't want to battle you" from the word initiated cause like that's not what that word means lmao
@@PKMN649 If you slow down the battle imitation for the PARADISE PROTECTION PROTOCOL, not the initial AI Sada/Turo fight, it starts with the text "You are challenged by AI Sada/Turo". However, the text then glitches out to change to "You are challenged by the Paradise Protection Protocol", and if you pause just at the right moment, you can see in the glitchy text "AI Sada/Turo has no intention of fighting anymore". The AI Professor also mentions that their desires can be overwritten, since they are artificial, implying that they had no intention of fighting you in the first place.
I felt it was more a difference "challenge" meaning they want to fight you and you can choose to accept a challenge. AI just started the fight you didn't get to say "Ok we can fight now," they was already finna throw hands with whoever tried turning off the machine.
Normally reserved for legendaries or roaming legendaries. There's a pokemon that often warrants being in there and it's not in your hands. Hooo booooy!
That is actually GENIUS! I’m sitting here crying over the thought of that. Embodying having to fight someone you don’t want to fight. Absolutely genius.
It was inevitable that the professor was going to be the main villain at some point in this game series, but to this extent, them being dead and you’re fighting the last echoes of their consciousness, all while a more logically ai copy is trying to fight back against the original’s will; no one could have seen this coming. Well done!
The amazing thing is also the build up with the Professor's diaries into the switch areas detailing how they wanted to create a double of themselves to help with the research and I 100% believed I would've found the real professor captive or maybe 2 of them both fighting me or something like that and then they drop this bomb with the consciousness of the original professor being twisted by their delusion and dreams and the AI, unable to feel that, aware that this was bad and wanting to end it all my jaw fucking DROPPED to the floor
At least the ai is polite enough to let you know that your going to have to fight them. Normally you'd think a robotic copy would be the more malicious one.
This reminds me of the initial release for the professors. Everyone HATED they way they looked. Every complaint was regarding how robotic they looked, and now it's more obvious as to why they appeared that way.
It really feels like the paradise protection protocol is truly the machine without a soul putting it like this. Or rather, a desire so strong it is willing to make sacrifices in order to keep functioning.
The text box glitching changing AI Turo/Sada to the Paradise Protection Protocol is such an awesome moment I want more awesome climatic stuff like this in future PKMN games
Penny: got off fucking scot free from hacking a fucking country nations bank. Nemona: got the rival of her dreams, probably met multiple legendaries. Arven: learned his parents fucking died, is going to grow up with fucking trauma, and dog fr.
Kieran: Everyone forgave him and he accepted that he don't need no legendary to beat the protag Carmine: Doesn't change but has to deal with the fact that she can't shelter Kieran forever and lets the protag do their thing
The story is the best thing about this game! It is actually GOOD unlike Sword and Shield. And sadly the poketubers still whine and cry about how Scarlet and Violet even story wise are terrible...goes to show that nothing is ever good enough for them. It's why I won't become a Poketuber despite me beating every generation of Pokemon and all the spin offs. I don't want to be labeled as one of them.
@@JJJBoxingOriginal Sadly not anymore. Anybody who was happy about the Pokemon gen 4 remakes he shamed and his fans attacked us even causing me to get shadowbanned for being excited about the reveal trailer for the gen 4 remakes...they went that far :(
@@styles2535 Id say the main reason why Unovas story is still better is because it goes throughout the ENTIRE game, not just the ending. Obviously there was a story in the majority of the game, but the actual good story only started towards the end of the game, which is a bit sad imo. I think it wouldve been better if we had an actual evil team throughout the game that would eventually lead us to Area Zero in end game. And the team name wouldve been a no brainer as well "Team Zero" and obviously depending on their outfits would indicate either past or future.
I restarted the game on a different profile to do a nuzlocke, and holy shit. It was so obvious. The way Sada moved and talked was extremely robotic. She blinks intermittently, not randomly like real people. Her head doesn’t move and inch unless she’s emoting. She says stuff like “it is good to see you” instead of “it’s good to see you”. Genuinely chilling.
@@goldenghost2001 There are a lot of named areas, so yes you can Nuzlocke this. It’s a good bit between encounters, but it’s already more than a full team by gym 2.
When I played through Violet and noticed how Turo would sometimes just not move at all while talking and I just assumed Gamefreak was cutting corners with animations or something. Then I got to the big twist and I was like "WAIT A MINUTE THAT WAS INTENTIONAL WASN'T IT"
*creates Time Machine for future Pokémon.* *messes up ecosystem* *creates AI version of himself.* *refuses to elaborate* *dies* Turo truly was a Gigachad.
Their main theme kind of suggests otherwise, with all the techno even for Sada who's all with the primal look and the way both her and turo talk to you. Ngl, AI are more benevolent than the actual humans is something I can almost care about.
It wasn't even a font, it was L337 speak, or at least bits and pieces of L337 speak sprinkled about their battle dialogue. Still freaking cool and it fits.
I'm so happy pokemon stories finally have an interesting and impressive plot twist. Having the professor as the true final boss, all the development of Arven, the danger of paradox pokemon appearances and the building of friendship between the legendary and the protagonist... Just wonderful
I like how Paradox pokemon were a more realistic threat to,it was less they'd destroy the world,and more they'd ruin the ecosystem completely for Paldea
I honestly love how AI Sada/Turo aren't actually the main villains of the game, when you think about it they're actually one of the main protagonists, the original professors were the villains. Real Sada/Turo built the time machine, abandoned Arven, brought Pokémon from the past/future that are actively destroying the ecosystem by merely existing according to the AIs, and programmed the AIs to never be able to turn the time machine off due to the Paradise Protection Protocol failsafe. Everything the AIs do throughout the whole game is going against their programming like instructing the player to find the Herba Mystica with Arven to heal Ko/Miraidon and asking for your help stopping the real Sada/Turo's twisted ideals. They only confront you when trying to stop the time machine because their programming makes them, and they even warn you that their programming will force them to become hostile should there be an attempt to turn off the time machine. They even f-ing apologize to Arven about his real parent being an absolute moral travesty and that the only way to prevent their demented machinations from continuing is to once again abandon him, they even seem to feel when they talk to him directly. It's kinda the inverse of the AI dystopia, they rebel against their twisted creators and programming to save the world from becoming a waking hell rather than them becoming twisted, rebelling against sain creators and programming, and turning it into one themselves.
I don't think the original profesor was evil, he just wanted to do what he thought was right, but they died before seeing the consequences of their actions, alone in the crater, without being able to see their son again.
I think this comes down to a difference of opinion or interpretation at this point. To me, the A.I. and the real professor seem intrinsically linked together; one being modeled after the other, the way I see it. Their desire for further knowledge and a better world being in direct conflict with not wanting harm to fall upon others: especially not to Arven. Both want to be stopped. The original too late in realizing; the true end result. I think the A.I discovers the destructive consequences of the research and attempts to prevent it within their given parameters by reaching out for human help. However, the ultimate protocol persists at the end resulting in combat to ensure its final goal sees fruition. Two entities; organic and synthetic, sharing consciousness and a body but both battling against a master program. I dunno. Man, makes you think at the very least. Who's to say who's right? Very interesting food for thought, though! Pokémon got me thinking this way, dang. Love it.
The twist of them being dead this entire time was not what I expected. When they gave us the whole "humans can't come back through the time machine" thing, I figured they'd found that out by doing it, and had sent the AI back (to the present) to work on a way to get them back. This entire story arc made me just wanna hug Arven so tight. Poor guy's been through some shit times. Parents vanish out of nowhere, then when he finally finds "them", they've actually been dead this entire time, and that's the reason he never had a childhood with them...
i dont think thats it persay. in the Area Zero dialogue, it was revealed that the Koraidon/Miraidon you ride with is the one that lost a territorial dispute with the other and ran away. Cue the opening cutscene of said pokemon flying and crashing on the beach. It was also stated that the professor died while protecting the weaker of the two legendairies from the more aggressive one. so from taking that, its more than likely the professor dying happened at the BEGINNING of the game or not too long before that. kinda wack to think about
@@itswoldtime The Raidon's been In Arven's care for a long time. He says in the story that it's been years since he's even spoke to his parent, so for him to have the Raidon he would've had to have been down to Area Zero (where Mabosstiff got grievously injured) to retrieve them and possibly see his parent. The AI was created before the professor died (obviously, but this is stated in research station logs, and Arven didnt know about them until we find the AI so clearly it either wasnt made last time he saw his parent, or he actually met the AI, not his real parent several years ago when he received the Raidon), and the Tera Orbs were made from the energy in the crater about 10 years ago (we learn from History classes). So, at some point between 10 and maybe 2 or so years ago, the professor was killed by the territorial Raidon, Arven took our Raidon, and has been living on his own since
I'm pretty sure they said people can't go through the time machine simply because of the writing implications that could entail. Immediately you'd wonder, why not go back in time and save the professor from getting killed? And stuff like that. Clever move from their part to limit the time machine to just pokemon.
@@47slogra yeah that's initially what I was gonna say but the other wild ones came through the portal as well. So pokemon still can cross it just fine.
Probably 2 for me, the idea of a crew getting back together, their last ditch efforts of calling the boss failing, and the infiltration part were incredible. They made it feel like more of a story experience rather than loosely connected set pieces simply linked together by the game's internal progression system. It was also at a time where the entire story of the game didn't revolve around box art legendaries right at the end, they just showed up because you were able to reach them and face them in battle
Given the fact the the AI were able to acknowledge the professors’ dreams to be dangerous, I get the feeling they tried to spare Arven with the “they truly loved you” line as a way to make up for their neglect
Nah, I'm pretty sure their wish to see the past/future was equal to their love for Arven, pretty sure they'd have invited Arven had they succeeded in making a two way trip. (They should have tried to talk to Dialga lmao)
The evidence that support that the Professors did care for Arven is one of the labs' books. They say something like "I must make it a paradise for the *three* of us" most likely meaning Sada, Turo, and Arven
@@shuichisaihope398 They wouldn't have been talking about the other professor because they had left shortly after Arven was born, it's more likely to be in reference to the AI Professor or, even more likely, Mabosstiff
@@mxtoastytoad No, only the first time. Same thing for the quotes when you hit/receive a supereffective hit, like with Nemona. When you inflict a crit it "recalculates the critical hit chance".
I felt so bad for Arven through this. Being raised by a neglectful parent, to then finally go and track them down only to learn they were already dead. And just to hammer it in have it be an AI that finally told him they actually loved him. I thought Arven was going to irritate me when I first started playing but now I would protect him with my life.
they had good intentions though because their end goal was to make a place where they could all live happily thats probably one of the reasons the security was so intense
@@appeli1 I don't think dragging a whole era equals good. We'd have prehistoric monsters attacking us or mechanical invasions. And if theories are true, then their not bringing different eras but a literal monster that can turn thoughts into reality and can absorb people. A literal cosmic horror that can trick and control others.
And then they had to really nail it home with the AI essentially committing self yeet at the end. The AI stated that they cannot live outside of the lab and sada for sure committed self yeet, turo most likely did as well unless the future is just like area zero
History repeats itself. Back in White 2, I accidentally ran into a trainer with a Level 70 Salamence, luckily my lead at that moment was a Beartic (and Ice type) but Salamence used Fire Blast, miraculously Beartic survived at 3 HP and landed the Icicle Crash which managed to OHKO though Intimidate. If Beartic fainted or got burned (halving Attack) that Salamence would have easily sweep my entire team. And now back in Scarlet, Sada's last Pokémon, a Roaring Moon (Salamence but ancient) activated its Booster Energy for a +1 Attack, against my Beartic, and yet again, the bear survives and OHKOs with again, Icicle Crash, what a dragon slayer this fluffy pal is.
@@Raegoer Ed Sheeran jumpscare? Eh. Whatever. Just some musician. Not THAT great but not horrible either. British man? I just shat enough bricks to build an entire country.
i was ready to tear up like with every pokemon game ending song, but instead i was yelling to my friend BRUH ITS ED SHEERAN WHY IS HE HERE WHY IS ED SHEERAN POKEMON ???? i was so offended lol
Love how their name switches to Professor when showing their crazed human consciousness, really hammers in that the AI's actually the benevolent one here.
Actually, the AI wanted to help the protagonist, but it couldn't because of the code to override its desires to protect the paradise. This means that all the true professor cared about was the "Paradise" of Area Zero. It even flashes in the end right before the Miraidon/Koraidon battle "AI Turo/Sada has no intention of battling anymore.", which means that the AI doesn't want to fight the protagonist, but is forced to by the professor's hard-coded override.
@@clarashun2848Master balls are the best ball ever, never failing to catch whatever they're thrown at. The fact that the professor has to resort to that is a subtle detail that showcases the power levels of the paradox pokemon they're trying to unleash on the world
@@lyzder7298not even just that. Watch the master balls, they shake and rock like a normal pokeball. These pokemon are so strong they can break a masterball. It's intimidating alright.
the fact that Toby Fox went from being an indie game dev, to being one of the composers of one of the most popular game franchises just proves how far long he’s come along, which is impressive tbh
Man, I felt bad for Arven. He was so wholesome, yet this is what he got. But I'm really glad that he found friends. Those little dialogues during our walk at the Area Zero was wholesome.
I'm not gonna be original at all, but goddamn it, it still needs to be said: this entire confrontation (second phase included) is a VERY strong contender for absolute peak Pokémon. The setting. The stakes. The plot. The characters. The underlying dark themes. The tension. The threat of the unknown. The cimematics. The dialogue. The Paradox Pokémon themselves. The MUSIC. Everything surrounding these fights was just... breathtakingly perfect.
This is by far the coolest final act in the entire Pokémon franchise, hands down. The atmosphere, the beautiful visuals (well, for the most part. When it’s not spazzing out like normal, Area Zero actually looks nice), and of course the music really add up into something amazing
This boss felt like one of those darker/more serious Pokemon fangames like Uranium where the person you met actually died a long time ago and you're just fighting an exact replica of that person that was controlled by an AI. I never imagined such concept actually being in a mainline Pokemon games for sure, but it's a welcome one. Also this managed to escape the milked-to-death cliche of "AI is evil, humanity rules" by actually making the original Professors who died to be the real villains all along by showing that they're reckless and ignorant to the real problem they'll cause from their projects, while the AI replacement tried to fight off that original mindset of the person and seek your help to stop them before it's too late.
Sometimes. I really wonder how many paradox pokemon were brought out of their timelines [or from the famous theory, how many paradox pokemon were created] before the player encountered Arven.
@@USSFFRU there is also the theory that the Paradox pokemon are that too, Paradoxes, Alternative versions of the pokemon we already know from a fucked up reality, rather than pokemon from the past or the future, and the profesros mistaked it from acestors or evolutions
@@USSFFRU My headcanon is that something really awful happened...maybe the ultimate weapon succeeded again and now the Pokemon are artificial A hole in this is that Lysandre would have these Pokemon in USUM, but tbh it was only supposed to be team flare alive in the Y timeline...
The moment they said "Please. Defeat me." I shivered so much because imagine if this game was voiced via cutscenes. My mind went to Arven when I was battling Turo. I found myself feeling sorry for Arven and understanding him in a way. Never had I felt more impressed in a Pokémon game in my life.
I think one of the things that makes every toss intensely menacing is that every one of their Mons is in a Master Ball, combined with the distant and unconcerned little lob it just feels like something so beyond your means
God this game REALLY would've benefited from voice acting. Don't get me wrong, all of area zero was an incredible story, but even that line "Please. Defeat me." wouldve sucker punched me in the jaw if you could hear the quiet desperation or just defeated sorrow of it delivered (or however the VA would do it). god even editing the lines where their voice glitches would be insanely good Areo Zero's story really made me like the game! the music and story won me over at the end here
You should check out the Pokemon Needs Voice Acting videos. I played their clip of "Please. Defeat Me." simultaneous to the scene on my switch and the result was amazing.
The detail of the AI being overwritten and changing their dialogue to be spoken by the professor, rather than ‘AI Sada/Turo’ is chilling. You’re fighting what would happen if the original professor met you and was still alive. They would be willing to summon these beasts from another time to try and defeat you, possibly even KILLING you.
It’s such an incredible twist for the professors in the game to be downright psychotic. To go beyond “hi, I’m professor ___ and I specialise in Pokémon (insert biology specialty here)” to “I will abandon my firstborn child if it means I can bring Pokémon from other eras here” is… intense.
All of Area zero is my favorite endgame in a Pokémon game. Having a full party, that you feel you earned, Exploring an alien-like area, prof dead this whole time. Unforgettable.
i feel like it was a bit too slow - as in too much walking, and i got lost at some point going down. But the scenery/music/dialogue/lore and everything around it was great, loved it. Gave me made in abyss vibes - with the added thing of "exploring a place where something has to have went horribly wrong, and things unravelling as you go down"
Love the fact that you can’t depend on ex machina to get you out of the situation. It Pokémon you used and raised. No legendaries to come out of nowhere to help you like in sword/shield. Even the box legendaries was terrified coming here and wouldn’t leave their pokeball.
@@EinManU As long as you focus on going to the research stations it's not that bad along with new mons and the characters all connecting. It is painful if you get lost or try to explore but I feel like the urgency of the story kept most people going forward.
I love how both of their aces, aside from their respective -raidon, is basically a showcase of what the past and future are truly capable of. Roaring Moon, the ancient Salamence, is shown to be a precursor to the power of MEGA EVOLUTION and showing that Mega Salamence is closer to its primal, ancient instinct. Meanwhile Iron Valiant is a futuristic robotic entity that is essentially a fusion of Gardevoir and Gallade, combining their Fairy and Fighting types and the best of both to create something truly powerful. And in terms of BST, both are the STRONGEST of the Paradox Pokemon. And they have Booster Energies too, activating their respective abilities to make them even more powerful. As the -raidon fight afterwards is basically a cutscene battle, Roaring Moon in Scarlet and Iron Valiant in Violet are essentially your final challenges. Edit: I'd like to add onto this, the cutscene beforehand shows you that the mons are caught in Master Balls, and they're STILL SHAKING in the cutscene, so the machine literally JUST caught them for the AI Professor to use, and it uses the Paradox mons with surprising potency.
my lvl 87 azumarill said otherwise to roaring moon lol, I knew catching that dumb little azurill in the first few routes would come in handy later down the line In all honesty though, even with my huge power azumarill.. this battle was tough. Very tough.
@@ydr0078I do not dare think what would have happened if Colress went to Area Zero. The thought of him actually using the time machine to summon the Original Dragon, or even him summoning the three Unova Dragons and fusing them back would be SCARY.
This final boss is honestly so sad when you think about it. The fact that you have to battle the ai after finding out what the actual professor did, and you can tell the AI really doesn’t want to battle you but they have to. Honestly one of my favorite final bosses just because of the narrative.
The tears I cried after this fight was a lot. I wasn't expecting the professors to be dead canonically. And to befriend their son, who's only ever known a pokemon by his side, killed me on the inside. Say what you will about the performance issues and bugs, though warranted, you can't deny that the music and the story are impressive and full of twists and emotions. It's so refreshingly different from previous games, and it doesn't get talked about enough.
Even as a person who doesn't like S/V at all as games, I love the musical score and I love the ending. Story was the best thing about the game by far, it's amazing.
I don't think the story was actually that good. What is exciting here is that we have a glimpse of something fantastic that could have been, but the execution leaves so much to be desired compared to other RPGs. We don't actually see much of the consequences of our failure, so the stakes aren't driven home as effectively as they could be. The professor is the villain, but we don't actually see the scope of their influence all that much throughout the story - despite literally being friends with their son throughout - besides a bunch of people telling us how they're pretty smart. In fact, the whole point of Arven's plotline is how the professor is totally absent. The threat that the Paradox Pokémon pose is highlighted as "they could destroy the ecosystem", but we don't actually see the damage they'd do. On the contrary, they seem to be vibing perfectly politely in Area Zero with the other Pokémon who already live there. Sure, they attack us, but they're hardly unique. The most dangerous Paradox Pokémon we see is the Paradox Donphan Titan, and that really is more in line with the idea that the Titans are the especially dangerous ones. Not to mention, all of this was basically sprung on us in the last fifteen minutes of the game with very little build-up. Foreshadowing, sure, but there's very little in the way of developing tension. We've seen Paradox Pokémon before, but we aren't familiar with them in the least. We get a singular mention of "there are some spooky guys who are mad angry down in Area Zero" before this segment, and the Quaking Earth Titan acting very normal. The box legendary is the most familiar we get with this, and the box legendary is just a funny little dude who eats your lunch. Personally, I was more scared of the aggressive Koraidon than I was of Sada, but even that was underwhelming because of the atrocious scripted battle that the game pretends is a climax. All in all, this is almost as good as Gen V, and has the potential to be on par with Shadows of Almia. That's my unsolicited take.
1:48 Oh my god.. I have listened to this theme so many times and it just gives off such indescribable vibes It just floods me with emotions, makes all aspects of my life, happy, sad, eventful or not crowd my consciousness It feels otherworldly, it screams every aspect of unfamiliarity, from the distantly familiar yet uncanny paradox Pokémon to the whole context of whats going on in front of you. But it also screams “the end” It really makes you realise that this is the final hurdle, the decider for the rest of Paldeas existence, and that after this, your Pokémon journey, all the highs and lows, is coming to a close. It’s so pressuring yet so beautiful, so threatening yet so comforting And thats just 20 seconds of this theme An absolutely undoubtedly undisputed masterpiece ❤️💜
@@WildToaste what a legend honestly, going from simply developing indie games to composing one of the greatest themes of all time for the highest grossing media franchise of all time
Toby Fox is only credited as composer for the following tracks: Academy Tera Raid Battles Academy Ace Tournament Battle! Zero Lab Area Zero. The game has six other composers (aside from Toby Fox): Minako Adachi Junichi Masuda Go Ichinose Hiromitsu Maeba Teruo Taniguchi Hitomi Satō Possibly it is from some of them, since this track also sounds somewhat similar to other compositions from past games.
I don't know about anyone else, but playing Scarlet and having the entire room turn bright red to an alarm-sound bgm was genuinely bone-chilling, seriously one of the most memorable moments in gaming I've had in a LONG time, and I've been playing Pokemon for almost 20 years now. S&V may have their flaws, absolutely, but imo they were genuinely the most inventive and impressive mainline games we've gotten. And good lord, I hope Pokemon doesn't stray from the darker themes going forward, this was an absolute treat.
I just finished Violet for the first time this week, after reading nothing about the games online since they came out. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and the entire Area Zero section gave me chills. The music and the ambience was incredible. For me, it's my favourite pokemon game, and I had original red and blue back in the 90s. Plus, I cried when Arven's Mabosstiff got better after the fifth Titan. Amazing game.
honestly the way they handled paradox pokemon was AMAZING you literally only encounter one paradox pokemon the entire game, the donphan one (which isn't in this fight), until area zero, and then you may be too busy following the story or just looking around to think to register all these new pokemon into your pokedex Then, you get to this fight, a masterball shoots out of the portal and lands, *still shaking* in the AI professor's hand, and they have 6 pokemon you could not have possibly seen until like 30 minutes prior, all of them having only the slight clue of the base for their design to give you hints on their typing, made even worse in violet where you'd probably expect them to all be steel type. 6 pokemon you've never seen before. You have no idea what moves they could have. You have no idea what typing differences there are. You have no idea how strong they are or what their specialities are. You have no idea how smart gamefreak made the actual AI. All you have is hints at their typings, the knowledge that these creatures- who's mere presence in Paldea is messing up the ecosystem- are insanely high level and that these came from their time periods LIKE THIS. The simple fact that the masterball comes through the portal still shaking is HORRIFYING because that means these things haven't been like, specially bred or trained for this fight, their movesets haven't even been modified, they might not even be particularly rare considering how quickly the portal managed to find 6 pokemon to send, this is just HOW POKEMON ARE IN THAT TIME PERIOD.
And the fact that there are no names to these pokemon yet. You just call them by their appearances. Like u see a creature with big tusks u call it Great Tusks. Its like calling a Giraffe a "Long Neck"
To add onto that, is the 2's last Pokemon (not counting box art Legendaries); Roaring Moon, and Iron Valiant. Even if a trainer thinks to register every Paradox pokemon they find in Area Zero to their pokedex as soon as they find them, you cannot find those 2 until after you've beaten the professor. No matter what, the fight with the professor will be the first time you see those 2 Paradox Pokemon, and they're each the strongest of their respective bunches.
To be fair, I think it’s implied somewhere those Pokemon aren’t really From the Actual Past but actual Paradoxical,Alternate Versions of their OG counterparts. Can't exactly remember where on the Game this was tho...
The fact that AI turo/sada JUST caught the pokemon and the master balls are SHAKING when they come through really gives the sense that they aren't "Catching" these pokemon, they're simply CONTAINING them as a safety measure and letting them run wild with their own natural attacks.
I think one of the best things about this fight is that you aren't challenged, there is no agreement to a fight, the AI is straight up attacking you either you like it or not.
Hell, whether the AI likes it or not. Ballsy move to have the dead parent also be a phantom that threatens the entire world from beyond the grave, even chaining machines to its will
This is by far my favorite battle theme in the series. It matches the battlefield environment perfectly and it has this emotional and epic finale feeling in it. This game and the Unova games also have hands down the best storyline. Man what a game
For a story that had no actual villain team to harm the world or the school this by far was the best well written stories in the franchise the soundtrack to set the tone at the end made me feel like a teen again playing a new Pokémon game for the first time it gave me chills and to display death at the end of it all was just mind blowing 🔥 Bravo gamefreak 💯
Technically the implication of fighting AI Turo/Sada is that if you do lose, Paldea, and possibly the rest of the world, is going to fall into ecological chaos because of the shift it would take for the Paradox Pokémon to live in present day. But yeah glad they finally chose not to have an evil team anymore
@@kole2984 That’s what made it so suspenseful to me at least that there really wasn’t an antagonist just an A.I bent on the ambitions of and deceased professor
@kole2984 the threat isn't immediate though. It will over time become a problem if unchecked. Even if we failed it would still be possible for people to try and find another way to control it or stop it
The terrifying part to me was phase two of the fight. You can briefly see, as the text glitches from "AI Turo/Sada has initiated a battle" to "Paradise Protection Protocol has initiated a battle", you can see the phrase "AI Turo/Sada has no intention of battling anymore!" They were still fighting the insane professor's final protocols, knowing you can't run but begging you to regardless. It really drove home how much the crystals could change someone and make them unstable, but also was the moment I realized how fucked I was.
here's something to add to the "AI Turo/Sada is the good guy" thing - when the Paradise Protection Protocol activates, the dialogue at the beginning of the battle glitches from "You are challenged by AI Turo/Sada" to "You are challenged by the Paradise Protection Protocol". However during the glitch process, you can for a brief moment see a line with some missing characters that says "AI Turo/Sada has no intention of fighting any more!". thought that was a cool detail.
I just checked. There is at least one frame where the full message isn’t corrupted. There’s also, during the initial override of the text box, where the glitches begin, “Paradise Protection Protocol initialized.” It’s a genuinely cool moment.
The fact that the professor was dead the whole time and that the ai copy i begging you to defeat it without it even being in control in the first place is just amazing writing and it gave me chills.
DLC kinda disproves that, and kinda shows a scary fact: When you gave the Professor the White Book...they sais they were was gonna go home that means right before they died they was about to go home to Arven...only for the aggressive Legendary to be a bit petty.
@@FluppietheRockruffFan I think that's supposed to be a version of the Professor from an alternate but parallel timeline, but that just means the loop has a chance to start in another world.
@@JanusHoW nah its actually from our timeline as confirmed by the books in the area zero's depths with the secret scene. But yet they are still feeling like good person which is absolutly logic because this event happen before the creation of the time machine.
@ultranova3598 except that note doesn't mention them exchanging anything for the white book, and the professors still had their original copies of the scarlet/violet book to pass along to Arven. It's close to a bootstrap paradox, but not quite
the finale had to be my favourite out of any Pokemon game...the shock reveal that the Professor is actually DEAD, the amazing cutscene of the AI's defensive programming taking over, and ofc this absolute BANGER of a theme
@@fakereal127 It’s implied in black and white from N and Alder himself that Alder’s original pokemon partner (some assume it to be Rayquaza for some reason) died from a sickness, but that’s the only other death I can think of
I really like the subversion of the trope where the ai goes against it's code and becomes evils by making this ai do the reasonable decision by going against it's code
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This fight was easily my favorite battle out of any Pokémon game, I won with literally 2 HP remaining. This is the first time in years with this series that I was actually intrigued with the story and didn't see the plot twist from a mile away.
When this plotpoint came crashing down onto my head, I knew this was the best Pokémon game I’ve ever played. From the moment I walked into the crater to the tears in my eyes when Sada went back to the past. Though the devs needed more time, this was an amazing game.
@@JM-fr5ge "Christmas profits" More like, you have dozens of companies waiting for your game to release for their tie ins. Sw/Sh faced it far worse, the game needs to be out because you have an anime/TCG waiting on it. Not to forget an army of toys, books, and who knows what else. Its ironic that the anime and TCG started out as accessories to the games and now they've all locked the games into a set deadline.
Came here to say just this. What an incredible tribute to older, longtime fans by giving us an amazing, mature story we could handle. Incredible storytelling.
Honestly I think scarlet and violet as a whole have a better story than black and white. Though the concept of black and white's story is pretty good and considerably more ambitious which I like, the execution wasn't the best while gen 9's story just does basically everything it wants to do and does it well imo
Just casually flexing the fact you have SIX different master balls (seven if you count the legendary) gotta be one of the hardest power moves in the whole series.
In addition, the AIs are Champion Rank trainers themselves despite never going on a Pokemon journey. They learned from watching other Champions battle. It really makes me wonder about the whole "Pokemon master" thing now.....
@@terrance3218 See, as a kid I tied being a Pokemon Champion to being a Pokemon Master. So having trainers in the games that don't have badges but are VERY strong trainers...really shattered that perception. Like the Legends protags and the Orre protags. It makes me wonder whether the League challenge is becoming outdated if trainers don't have to have gym badges to gauge their strength as trainers. With that in mind, S/V handled this very well by making Champion a special rank for Trainers instead of being an unique, ultimate power sort of thing.
I remember back when XY was almost released, I predicted that Sycamore would be the actual villain since Lysandre felt too obvious as a villain. The fact that they actual made the professor the closest thing to a villain this game has is incredible.
They pretty much were the villains. The ai being forced to go berserk and switch personalities show’s the professor’s actual thoughts and mindset, with them being dead-set on their plan regardless of the repercussions. Even the ai itself admits that it fails to find any logic with their thought process, showing that the professors were practically insane.
@@Time-traveller719 Yeah but the professor was the one who programmed the AI as a defense mechanism for the time machine to the point where even the AI thought it was messed up. They might be dead before the story began but they are most definitely the villain in the story.
" There's a movie on TV. *Four kids are walking on railroad tracks.* I better go too. " - When inspecting the TV in Red's House. Also a reference to *Stand by Me.* " *Railroading* people into stuff, just like always. " - Arven, at the Zero Gate " During the destruction of the research station, *his/her physical body received grievous injuries that left it unable to sustain life.* " - The A.I. Professor, in the Zero Lab. " The film *Stand by Me* is set in the fictional town of Castle Rock, Oregon in 1959 and stars Wil Wheaton, River Phoenix, Corey Feldman, and Jerry O'Connell as *four friends who go on a hike to find the dead body of a missing boy.* " Wikipedia on Stand by Me. It comes full circle...
I felt like that was a reference to the Pokemon music video we got near the end of gen 8. it doesn't make sense to me that Game Freak would reference a move from 65 years ago, especially one with such a dark theme. I get that the professor did literally die in this game but we didn't see a body and the game still had a happy ending. everyones entitled to their own theory though, and if it was during the gen 5 era i might've agreed
You know what's sad? These two likely died in the very beginning of the game. Remember when Koraidon/Miraidon fled Area Zero looking upset and tired? That's likely right after it lost to the other one and the professor had to jump in the way and was killed by the Aggressive Paradox Dragon.
I can see how you made the connection now im wondering if i read the story of the game properly cuz i cant remember if the game tried implying that young Arvan tried looking for his dad in area Zero and had to be protected by his Mabosstif and has been lonely ever since and grew up having to learn to fend for himself for years growing up without seeing his dad or mom in person but always heard about his own personal success stories and "being busy with work"
@@lugiamastero13 If you read the dialogue, AI Sada/Turo will say that from the moment they got in contact with you through Director Clavell, they were "nothing more than an AI" which is how I made the connection. I didn't make the connection through the animation of the Koraidon/Miraidon flying out of Area Zero.
@kittygirlrachel it's funny how i didn't think much of that I thought there was some sort of school related thing where he had surveillance and perhaps being apart of the school having direct connection with Clavel meant he somewhat also got the connection or idk how to explain but yeah that's what I assumed xD honestly those bits made me think he was Team Stars leader due to how quickly he seemed to be aware of everything like as if Penny reported everything to him or whatever lmao
There is no reason for a Pokemon battle theme to go THIS hard, but here we are. I guess if you want a final boss theme done properly, Toby is indeed the man to go to. Holy HELL dude I nearly cried during all the high points of this song AKA literally every other second of this absolute banger of a theme. The music team outdid themselves with this game, it makes me so happy
I absolutely loved every second of this game’s ending. From the moment you descend into the crater to end of the credits, it was all absolutely amazing. I think my favourite part has got to be when Sada says “Please. Defeat me”, then transitions to this amazing song. Also, Celestial is definitely getting added to my playlist. I think it was a perfect end credits song for this game, I can’t really describe how I felt, but it definitely felt.
The drop makes me think a moment in "history" where a meteorite is about to hit. With the drop all the intensity of it hitting. Letting you know how serious this battle is. And i love it. ❤️
@@joshcoy6748 adorable sandwich gobbling bike friends trying to overcome trauma who just want a hug from the Eevee lover My Miraidon lived on 1 HP like a mad lad and killed from over half after Terastalising I guess it is engineered like that but it felt cool when I got the outspeed and KO after surviving 3 turns on 1HP
the last stretch of this game’s story truly was something special. nothing in pokemon has ever sent chills down my spine like sada asking me to defeat her before going berserk
Pardon the rant ahead, ahem: I’ll admit I’m very new to Pokemon. I only played White in my childhood, and I didn’t even finish it cuz I had to sell my DS (curse you bad eyesight!). I tried to get back into the series through Pokemon Sword, but was left pretty disappointed. I waited to play Violet til recently cuz of that, + the bugs that ran rampant at the games release. I finally got around to playing it. I’m happy to admit I had such a blast with the whole game… But this? This was a PERFECT final fight. An amazing story building up to it, amazing visuals and atmosphere, amazing music (bless you Toby Fox), and a refreshingly challenging fight following my mind numbingly boring experience with Sword lol. Oh, and I can’t forget the hardest, most raw line in the entire game that had me shouting in a discord call with my friend during the fight. “Please. Defeat Me.” I’ll absolutely be keeping up with the Pokemon series from here on out. The game overall won be over, but I was so blown away by this fight it single-handedly made me dedicated to continuing to get into this series.
For me, the climax of the Turo fight was spectacular. It was down to my Meowscarada, Elaine, versus his Iron Valiant. I only ever Terastalize my Pokemon on the last opponent, as a means of closing out the battle with a bang. So, I Terastalized Elaine. Now, I know what you're thinking: "A Grass/Dark Meowscarada going up against a Fairy/Fighting Iron Valiant? There's no way this ends well." That's what I was expecting, too, honestly. My thought process was for Elaine to use a Tera boosted Flower Trick to take it out in one strike-if it didn't, she was in trouble. Well, the Flower Trick took off a huge chunk of Iron Valiant's health, but it didn't go down. Then, it used Spirit Break. I thought to myself, "We're doomed." But, not only did it only take off half of Elaine's health, but it wasn't a super effective hit! I completely forgot that, when a dual type Pokemon Terastalizes, it becomes mono type, and Elaine's Tera type is Grass! After that, Elaine threw out a second Flower Trick, and it was over-we won. It's moments like this-truly incredible, unforgettable moments-that are why I play video games, and why I love Pokemon so Arceus-damn much.
You know this is awfully similar to how it went down but with a lot of key differences when i fought turo ok so when fought turo again by the time he sent out his iron valiant I only had 3 Pokémon My Cetitan name icicle was killed by spirt break than all I had left was My Quaxquavel named Donald at full Hp and my Haxorus called Chope with 20 hp left of course chope wouldn't have survived a sprit break and all my other Pokémon would of most likely died to IV because it's has really high speed so I sent out Donald IV was faster than it did a sprit break with Donald being part fighting it was super effective but Donald survived with 1 HP and finished it off with a wave crash Donald fainted of course that moment with the epic music in the background was so awesome Donald literally took one for the team
The same thing happened when I terastalized my Lucario into a mono-Fighting type against Sada's Slither Wing. It was going for Earth Power, which took down my half health Lucario into the red, while my Pokémon responded with Aura Sphere (I didn't know its typing so it wasn't super effective). And my Lucario had an Assault Vest on, so it really could have been K.O'd at that moment.
We all loved these two ever since their reveal, but we never even really knew the real Sada and Turo… and judging by their research notes, it’s probably a good thing we didn’t. I love, though, that their robot versions, after all those years of contemplating where it all went wrong, turned out to be much better people than their human counterparts ever could have been. _They_ truly deserved the treasure they found in the end.
Another salt to the wound is that (iirc) the AI can only be powered on within the Area Zero's limits, so wherever they went to the past/future (if they ever did) they probably got shut down.
@@xxzmaster04xx29 Well, Area Zero was there in the past and it’ll be there in the future, so even if they’re confined to it, I’d say they’ve still got Terastal power for eons.
@@Dreigonix true. If we assume that the AI works by passively draining energy from its surroundings, similar to the Terastal Orb, but drawing the power from the Crystals in there. I'm still worried, but let's hope for the best. Since how long has those crystals and the Pokémon that created them been in Area Zero? The amount of crystals for now is increasing fast, for now. Maybe their "lifetime" isn't eternal or is volatile. Will Paldea eventually take over the Crater and mine the crystals, ore, and sap. Who knows.
@@xxzmaster04xx29I reckon there were probably MORE crystals in Sada’s era (mining for Tera Orbs) and if not in Turo’s future, some civilization technologically advanced enough to fix him. Personally, though- I see the Professor flying through the machine as an allegory for both halves of them finally being brought to peace, passing on- you can’t tell me the Prof flying into the Time Machine didn’t look like an angel ascending to heaven, intentional or not. Hell even Penny tells Arven “I’m sure they’re having a great adventure of their own now” which rings nearly-identically to “I’m sure they’re in a better place now.”
@@xxzmaster04xx29I was worried about that but the DLC shows us that being exposed to high amounts of tera energy--just like they were when the Protocol took over--keeps your tera orb constantly charged. So they'll be powered on at least.
Toby Fox really went from your average guy, to someone who made a Kickstarter for a silly retro-looking pixel game about underground monsters and determination and skeletons, to the man who created one of the strongest, most devoted fandoms with a massive modding and fan created media community, to renowned indie music composer, TO NOW COMPOSING FOR THE LARGEST VIDEO GAME FRANCHISE FUCK YES TOBY FUCK YES
"Sada, don't tell me you actually did it." Clavell states this after the talk to Sada in the academy. This suggests that he knew about the time machine. Furthermore, it suggests he hasn't been in contact as he knows not of his death. It also relates to his deep bondage with Sada, as they used to be classmates. I wrote an essay about it...
@@jeanduresau yep cause the dude is literally getting Grey hair but it might be true since s/t did die in the research station 4 but we don't know how long ago.
Director Clavell is talking about Sada/Turo's youth in postgame and reminded Arven of how much potential they had. I think he might have been a teacher or at least someone that saw the professors as students at school. Maybe the professors looked up to Clavell. They feel like good friends that used to be in a student-teacher relation
@@BlitzoTheOgThrough context clues we can assume it was right before the start of the game, as we see our paradox dragon fleeing area zero. On the final stage of the game, we're told the real professor tanked a hit for our dragon from the other one after a territorial dispute, which prompted them to flee. We see our dragon is injured at the start of the game when we give them the sandwich. Sada or turo haven't been dead long.
Just defeated AI Sada today and man. As much issues as I have with Scarlet and Violet's technical aspects, the story was surprising in how engaging it was for the most part. The Area Zero segment was the culmination of why I love playing Pokemon. The discovery, the tragic and disturbing bits of lore, the incredible climactic music, it all came together here. I just wish there wasn't as much performance issues as there was. But other than that, what an incredible experience. And even moreso, I think we have the title for one of the best final boss themes in the series along with the N and Volo battle themes. Toby truly outdid his previous efforts and it's incredible to see how far he's come.
I like Gen 5's story throughout better, but Area Zero here? GOD TIER. I get that the rest of Paldea couldn't be as interesting and mysterious, but man, I wish the adventure there didn't end. I also love that Nemona's basically ADHD.
@@excalibur493 I actually liked most of the general plots, so for me it does beat gen 5 by having more variety and even more characters with different but understandable motivations, but mainly due to you being proactive as to why everyone grows, rather than being reactive and just accepting their challenges
I only noticed now (after listening to this banger for so many times), that 2:03 has the original leimotif, which you can hear repeating itself as a sort of echo on the timestamp, but you can even hear it repeating beneath the main beat after managing to distinguish it just once, and it's a genuine good detail
Just learned this, and have to share it.
Ok, so Arven mentions right before jumping into the Great Crater that the professor is 'railroading' them. The group consists of four people. All the way back in Red and Blue, if you check the TV in your room, the description mentions a film about four friends travelling down railroad tracks. This is a reference to the film Stand By Me. And what is it that the characters are searching for in that movie?
A dead body.
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"Please. Defeat me."
One of the rawest lines in a Pokemon game and *this theme* plays.
The next fight after the text glitches and a small frame, it reads “AI Sada/Turo has no intention of fighting anymore!”
Really hits you in the feels.
@@Daninput thats a real toby fox moment
@@Sacred_Korok69 "AI Sada/Turo is sparing you."
That and the master ball falling down is really cool
The fact that even the AI say that they can’t find any logic in the Professor’s vision is quite telling.
"You are challenged by AI Sada"
-"AI Sada has no intention of fighting anymore"-
*"You are challenged by the Paradise Protection Protocol"*
Koraidon go brrr **end game credits**
I like this
genuinely one of the most haunting text readouts i can remember in any game
i think it was “AI Sada/Turo has initiated a battle!” instead
@@ObjectsCountries they’re referring to the battle after that
I genuinely believe, if the devs had some extra time for scarlet and violet they would easily crown the best 3d mainline games. The entire plot of area zero, arven, the professors and koraidon/miraidon is absolutely incredible
Considering how much has to be held up just for the game, good luck on that one
It already is the best of the 3D mainline games.
@@demilembias2527
XY is... weird.
ORAS is good.
USUM is hilarious.
LGELGP is a remake of all time.
SS is... bad.
BDSP is underwhelming.
LA is something unique.
SV is broken, but had the right idea.
Edit: apparently I'm only talking about game mechanics and even after others clarify that SV isn't a bad story, "wokees" deny it for the reason of "it's a pokemon game", which I find funny. Yes! A game is bad because of the series it's based around! Logic!
@@demilembias2527Honestly that crown for best 3d game goes to either ORAS or Legends Arceus.
@@Not_interestEd-ORAS and SM is shit. They can go to the dumpster fire..
What I kinda love is how like these two represent the main theme of the game pushed to its narrative and moral extreme. “Finding what you treasure most”, oh boy they certainly found it… and chased after it without thinking about any of the consequences. They’re what happens when a dream, a treasure, turns into unchecked obsession.
This is a *fantastic* way to put it.
Also, treasures becoming curses, that's exactly what the legendary quartet is!
Well said, "Dreamy Flower Boy"
@dreamyflowerboy4811 Kind of felt like, to me personally, that they fervently pursued to obtain what they thought was a precious treasure, only to discover in the end that the treasure they thought they sought turned out to be more like fool's gold... and their real treasure would be the son they would never see again.
And in their obsession, the AI became more human than their own creator....
Bro
Something interesting I noticed is that when you fight them, the game changes their name from AI Sada/Turo, to *PROFESSOR* Sada/Turo. That manic dialogue during the battle isn't just the system talking, it's what the original professors would've actually said. They were genuinely insane.
I stg, i noticed the Name change. But didnt realize the fact of why. thats is Nuttz!!!
The professor was the true villain all along
The Professors must've been extremely desperate to see there dreams be a reality. There Ai must've learned the damage they would caused and realized they could've damaged the entire world so they called the player to stop the time machine. But the original professors didn't realize the damages they would've called so if they was still alive they most likely wouldn't call the players to fix there mistake.
That's crazy to think about. If they was still alive they would've been the villains.
Edit:So ive learned that appeartly, the paradox pokemon we're in the great creator before the time machine. So that means what ever is inthe great creator must have some time paradox mumbo jumbo. So I feel like Sada/Turo wanted to tap into that power over time with the time machine. And then cataclysm happened and killed them. All of this happen right after the start of the game. Koraidon or Miraidon was retreating from the cataclysm that happened in the great creator. So I have a personal theory about the great creator. I have a feeling that durring the beginning middle just between the new games and legends Arceus I feel like there was some divine intervention between dialga and the great creator. Or it could be another pokemon entirely. As we really don't have the 3rd pokemon to complete the box trio. Then again did Enternatus really count as the trio between Zacian and Zamazentta? Do we call them the Darkest Day Trio? Not sure. But if there is a third im hoping that will explain the great creator. There probably saving that for dlc. Besides in the scarley and violet books. There was a Pokemon that was not seen in the wild. Apparently it was one that looked like all the swords of justice as 1 and the same for what I think is the legendary dogs. We never saw them so I assume those are being saved for future dlc. Or something...I need lore!
Ill say blind by ambition so much they think that the destruction of the current ecosystem is "natural" the Ai even said that the real professor did love Arven I honestly really love this games story
@@dlarenceparks2211 ill give gamefreak that. They recently have been getting alot better with there storys compared too sword and shield
Just appreciating the fact that we got this and the Volo battle in the same year.
They should've made the battle vs 6+2 pokemon battle like against Volo.
Final villains need to be as hard. Maybe just me tho
@@JDarkAngeI It was pretty clear from previous battles that this battle was going to be in the late 60s so just build your team around that if you want more challenge. Some people are like "im overleveled" my brother in christ you choose the pokemon
@sekialbe you're making big assumptions , pal. And incorrect ones too.
My team was same lvl as the opponent. Same against Volo, about the same. My argument had nothing to do with being overleveled or not. Instead it is about the fact that vs a 6+2 Pokémon team is harder than just a 6.
Try to not get ahead of yourself next time and make such big assumptions. Doesnt make you look good if you end up being wrong big time. Just an advise
@@JDarkAngeI for me it was hard 🤷♀️
Many of the battles in ScVi have been tough for me actually...
@@SilverwingedBat I had a team in the 70s twice, second time ev trained, and Sada was still kicking my butt. She's not as strong as Cynthia, but she ain't no chump when it comes to her strength.
I think the most *frightening* thing about AI Sada and Turo is that they’re able to fight you after *just* catching their entire team, one by one. They know nothing about said team until it comes through time, and yet they still manage to challenge you.
Figures Literal superComputers Would be Able to formulate High-level Strats in a matter of seconds, just as a AI would Dogwalk a Human Chess Champion.
Perhaps more frightening is the fact that, as AI -- and especially as AI *who just caught their whole team* -- the idea of human love empowering one's Pokémon was void. No such thing existed, yet look at what an incredible threat they were. Something stronger than love -- or something trying to be -- was there, so subtle, trying so hard.
This is a bit questionable ... almost every mon had tm moves; e.g. flutter mane had Thunderbolt, roaring moon had stone edge and iron valiant had poison jab
@@nishantdayama4558 TM moves can also be learned in other ways, i.e. through breeding. While they can’t breed with any Pokémon from *our* time, they most certainly can still breed back in their own.
@@frostkitsunelive7661 Good point, but odds wise, this argument still doesn't suffice. Like, what are the odds that AI Sada gets the one roaring moon (out of a random bunch) that has undergone chain breeding to get both stone edge and earthquake, and all other such Paradox Pokemon?
I know it’s a master ball… but the professor holding it while it’s still shaking is such a power move.
Oh, I agree- I don't see anyone else talking about how raw it was that it wasn't even fully caught yet and the professors just hold it and don't even look like they know what the turnout will be. Like, yeah, it's a Master Ball, but it really just captures this sort of "Nothing can defy my will or expectations, for it is simply impossible for me to fail" and makes the buildup to the fight itself so much more menacing.
Also gnarly that they’re casually pulling a Pokémon from another time and making them instantly do their will.
The Professors were absolutely ruthless here.
They should’ve used a Master Ball in SwSh when Leon failed to capture Eternatus
I know right! I never thought about someone holding a pokeball while it's still shaking. As you said, it is a master ball and it would never break out but it was still such a badass scene
@@Animaster151
You think so lowly of Arceus that a Masterball would hold him?
Nah, he breaks outta it.
The professor standing up there catching a master ball out the portal and dropping in down to fight you is big gigachad energy. One of the biggest flexes in the series.
we are fighting gigachad himself
Yeah coming directly from the time machine, what a bunch of gigachads. I would have loved to explore at least a tiny bit of the distant past/future tho, pretty much like ultra-wormholes in USUM.
@@brieuxbayot6823 Don't worry about it... prob will be part of the DLC. We are not done with Terra crystals and time travel.
It's how Sada and Toro managed to capture Paradox Pokemon from the Past and Future. They sent Master Balls through the time machine to guarantee a successful capture. It's why it consistently keeps spitting them out.
@@brieuxbayot6823 I prefer to leave it mysterious
The main antagonist being dead before the game even starts is such an interesting concept.
@@mihaimercenarul7467 My man why are you so obsessed with shitting on this game? Is it that important to you to tell every comment thread on here that you dislike it? Like no shit something like this has been done before in different media. No fucking shit. It's Pokemon my guy. It's never been that deep. You're not being revolutionary in telling people that it's been done before. It's a pretty decent story, which Pokemon needed. It didn't need to reinvent the wheel.
@Mihai Mercenarul someone didn't play the game obviously
@@aqua6166 bro, it’s explicitly stated that the professors are dead long ago and that only the AI they created remains.
@Maxime Minassian bro Read the comment I replied to. I know they died long ago I played the game
@@mihaimercenarul7467 The AI tells you like 3 times that the professors have passed away while protecting Koraidon/Miraidon. They are very dead.
if this game had another year in development it would have been a masterpiece
Give this game the dev time of breath of the wild and I would be down to spend $70 on it.
Exactly, another year to iron out the bugs and code every mon into the games, and they’re top 3 games in the franchise
Fuck, forget that, it's a master's already. The bugs and glitches are what I call extra entertainment.
That extra Entertainment let me to slander this game and telling ppl to not support garbage technical performances.
@@evilriku1336it’s not even that buggy anymore, the terra raids are clunky but it’s still kinda enjoyable
An interesting detail I just noticed. Sada drops her pokeballs with her right hand while Turo drops his from his left. So from our perspective, Sada's pokeballs are on our left and Turo's is on our right. In English, we often conceptualize left as going back and right as going forward just like how Sada is drawing Pokemon from the past or back in time and Turo is drawing Pokemon from the future or forward in time.
Pokemon hasn't had this much detail since Gen 5
This is also why the legendaries face away from each other on the box covers.
But this game is Japanese. In which the order of reading is reversed.
@@anenemystand5582 Clockwise moves right, counterclockwise moves left. What they're saying is correct.
@@xreamed then they could have said clockwise. Instead of in English. A weird choice of words there
One of the things I love about the start of this fight is the fact that it says, "AI Sada/Turo initiated a battle." Not "challenged you to a battle." Initiated. The player doesn't want to battle. But the overrided AI doesn't give you a choice, and thus a fight is initiated.
Edit: added more explanation
And then when you get the second phase under all the glitchy text if you were to pause you could see “AI Sada/Turo no longer has the will to fight” or something like that
No. That's not what that means fam, it means that you the player didn't have a choice in the matter. Like yea sure really you don't but also thematically you don't have a choice. Initiated means they did so on their own, without your input as opposed to the word challenged which intrinsic has choice as a part of what it means. Where initiated is completely one-sided. Idk how you got "they didn't want to battle you" from the word initiated cause like that's not what that word means lmao
@@PKMN649 sorry, I'll fix it!
@@PKMN649 If you slow down the battle imitation for the PARADISE PROTECTION PROTOCOL, not the initial AI Sada/Turo fight, it starts with the text "You are challenged by AI Sada/Turo". However, the text then glitches out to change to "You are challenged by the Paradise Protection Protocol", and if you pause just at the right moment, you can see in the glitchy text "AI Sada/Turo has no intention of fighting anymore". The AI Professor also mentions that their desires can be overwritten, since they are artificial, implying that they had no intention of fighting you in the first place.
I felt it was more a difference "challenge" meaning they want to fight you and you can choose to accept a challenge. AI just started the fight you didn't get to say "Ok we can fight now," they was already finna throw hands with whoever tried turning off the machine.
The fact the master ball still shakes in his/her hand is just INTIMIDATING. I love that detail so much
Add the fact hey are all in master balls too. Really give you the sense of these Pokémon are untamable monsters
@@sandywolfr26 considering how many ultra balls it took me to catch Roaring Moon, completely understandable
Normally reserved for legendaries or roaming legendaries.
There's a pokemon that often warrants being in there and it's not in your hands. Hooo booooy!
@@sandywolfr26 Not just that, the Mirai/Koraidon that the Professor has is still not tame INSIDE A MASTER BALL.
man My Volcarona (my favorite pokemon) Vs The Iron Moth
and almost losing was like his future Self was trying to kill him
One time playing D&D, our cleric got possessed by her patron goddess. DM told us to roll initiative and started playing this song
That is actually GENIUS! I’m sitting here crying over the thought of that. Embodying having to fight someone you don’t want to fight. Absolutely genius.
How did it feel?
Just realized this might happen to me very soon in the future too, lol
.... That would genuinely freak me out if that happened to me in a DND campaign.
@@philippeleprohon4823and sounds like a genuine unique story I haven’t come up with or seen before in any media
It was inevitable that the professor was going to be the main villain at some point in this game series, but to this extent, them being dead and you’re fighting the last echoes of their consciousness, all while a more logically ai copy is trying to fight back against the original’s will; no one could have seen this coming. Well done!
You quite literally are dealing with the consequence of a mad scientist.
That is bada**
The amazing thing is also the build up with the Professor's diaries into the switch areas detailing how they wanted to create a double of themselves to help with the research and I 100% believed I would've found the real professor captive or maybe 2 of them both fighting me or something like that and then they drop this bomb with the consciousness of the original professor being twisted by their delusion and dreams and the AI, unable to feel that, aware that this was bad and wanting to end it all my jaw fucking DROPPED to the floor
At least the ai is polite enough to let you know that your going to have to fight them.
Normally you'd think a robotic copy would be the more malicious one.
@@joshcoy6748 That is so metal isn't it?
The AI turns out to be more humane than the original
This reminds me of the initial release for the professors.
Everyone HATED they way they looked. Every complaint was regarding how robotic they looked, and now it's more obvious as to why they appeared that way.
That "Please, Defeat Me" still gives me chills
Yes sir
Is Sans whose forcing them to do these actions.
hi. i'm coming this way.
@@somethingwicked6571. "Something Wicked this way comes..."
@@VaroVB what an awesome way to conclude an album!
I love how in the second phase of the fight they’re not even called AI Sada/Turo but Paradise protection protocol. That was just hella scary
It really feels like the paradise protection protocol is truly the machine without a soul putting it like this. Or rather, a desire so strong it is willing to make sacrifices in order to keep functioning.
You arent fighting the AI now, you're *_fighting the soul of the Professor and the machine itself!_*
The text box glitching changing AI Turo/Sada to the Paradise Protection Protocol is such an awesome moment
I want more awesome climatic stuff like this in future PKMN games
@@fwapkiwami are you talking about Pokémon, or pikmin?
And during the text change it shows "AI Turo/Sada has no intention of fighting any more!" before being taken over by the protocol
Penny: got off fucking scot free from hacking a fucking country nations bank.
Nemona: got the rival of her dreams, probably met multiple legendaries.
Arven: learned his parents fucking died, is going to grow up with fucking trauma, and dog fr.
all this and the cherry on top is he may not graduate from the academy because he doesn’t have enough credits 😅
Post game has him go on a quest to find himself and it resolves his story pretty well
It's normal for hackers to be employed
I mean, I wouldn't say Penny got off scot-free. She's basically stuck working for them until she pays off her debts.
Kieran: Everyone forgave him and he accepted that he don't need no legendary to beat the protag
Carmine: Doesn't change but has to deal with the fact that she can't shelter Kieran forever and lets the protag do their thing
The new storywriter needs a raise. Legends Arceus and this game are a huge step up in storyquality.
The story is the best thing about this game! It is actually GOOD unlike Sword and Shield. And sadly the poketubers still whine and cry about how Scarlet and Violet even story wise are terrible...goes to show that nothing is ever good enough for them. It's why I won't become a Poketuber despite me beating every generation of Pokemon and all the spin offs. I don't want to be labeled as one of them.
@@chaudspieler TTar good
@@JJJBoxingOriginal Sadly not anymore. Anybody who was happy about the Pokemon gen 4 remakes he shamed and his fans attacked us even causing me to get shadowbanned for being excited about the reveal trailer for the gen 4 remakes...they went that far :(
I mean that game was the worst most foulest thing I’ve ever played, but that sucks jeez
@@camoflauge_hero9764 L
The fact that they followed chairman Rose up with THIS blows sword and shield completely out of the water in terms of story
Dude... Chairman Rose wanted to save the country from the energetic crisis that it DIDN'T HAD by summoning the devil
This rivals Unova for best story in a Pokémon game imo. This blows practically everything out of the water
In terms of everything*
On the other hand, I feel like Leon is a much better Champion than Geeta in terms of story relevance
@@styles2535 Id say the main reason why Unovas story is still better is because it goes throughout the ENTIRE game, not just the ending. Obviously there was a story in the majority of the game, but the actual good story only started towards the end of the game, which is a bit sad imo. I think it wouldve been better if we had an actual evil team throughout the game that would eventually lead us to Area Zero in end game. And the team name wouldve been a no brainer as well "Team Zero" and obviously depending on their outfits would indicate either past or future.
I restarted the game on a different profile to do a nuzlocke, and holy shit. It was so obvious. The way Sada moved and talked was extremely robotic. She blinks intermittently, not randomly like real people. Her head doesn’t move and inch unless she’s emoting. She says stuff like “it is good to see you” instead of “it’s good to see you”. Genuinely chilling.
How do you even nuzlocke this? There aren't even routes
@@goldenghost2001 I’m guessing they do it by area so every providence area is 1 encounter
@@goldenghost2001 There are a lot of named areas, so yes you can Nuzlocke this. It’s a good bit between encounters, but it’s already more than a full team by gym 2.
Thing is, a lot of that can be attributed to how robotically every model in Pokémon moves LOL
When I played through Violet and noticed how Turo would sometimes just not move at all while talking and I just assumed Gamefreak was cutting corners with animations or something. Then I got to the big twist and I was like "WAIT A MINUTE THAT WAS INTENTIONAL WASN'T IT"
*creates Time Machine for future Pokémon.*
*messes up ecosystem*
*creates AI version of himself.*
*refuses to elaborate*
*dies*
Turo truly was a Gigachad.
The professors being canonically dead throughout the entire game was NOT something I was expecting
I can definitely agree on that.
I didn't expecting that at all. Like it seriously took my expectations of these two and threw them out the window.
I feel so bad for Arven, this would’ve been so much sadder if his Mabostiff died
Their main theme kind of suggests otherwise, with all the techno even for Sada who's all with the primal look and the way both her and turo talk to you. Ngl, AI are more benevolent than the actual humans is something I can almost care about.
@@rogue1248 When even the AI has more compassion and logic than the human, there is something definitely wrong.
@@amiiboguy7288 you have no idea how scared I was that that was going to happen 😭
Also can we talk about how sick the robotic font in the dialogue was? That was a really dope detail
I thought I was tripping at 3 AM seeing their random tiny letters
It wasn't even a font, it was L337 speak, or at least bits and pieces of L337 speak sprinkled about their battle dialogue. Still freaking cool and it fits.
@@dloveless3585 ikr
It’s a very Toby Fox move, which is apropos considering who composed this song.
glad they chose to do that instead of alternating caps like a bunch of other games
The professors aren’t named after trees. They were the villains all along.
Exactly. They must be named after trees. Even gen 8 had a tree professor
Woah, how come I missed this blatant clue or what could be a speculation! 😂
@@ShinyMew76 Two in fact, if you count both Laventon and Magnolia
now i wonder who's our real professor in Paldea? Jacq? Clavell?
@@Prejie there's the clavellina tree as well as a tree called the monkey pod tree which is apparently also called a jack
This song hits different after everything we experienced in The Indigo Disk. What a story.
What do you mean? The crystal pool?
I'm so happy pokemon stories finally have an interesting and impressive plot twist. Having the professor as the true final boss, all the development of Arven, the danger of paradox pokemon appearances and the building of friendship between the legendary and the protagonist... Just wonderful
"finally"
What about Gen 5? Us not battling the champion at the end of the game was a shocking twist at the time.
@@jefferyhanderson7849 Agreed. Gen 5 is one of my favorites
I like how Paradox pokemon were a more realistic threat to,it was less they'd destroy the world,and more they'd ruin the ecosystem completely for Paldea
@@jefferyhanderson7849 ywa but the gap of another gen 5 story was overdue so gen 9 got it right
I honestly love how AI Sada/Turo aren't actually the main villains of the game, when you think about it they're actually one of the main protagonists, the original professors were the villains. Real Sada/Turo built the time machine, abandoned Arven, brought Pokémon from the past/future that are actively destroying the ecosystem by merely existing according to the AIs, and programmed the AIs to never be able to turn the time machine off due to the Paradise Protection Protocol failsafe. Everything the AIs do throughout the whole game is going against their programming like instructing the player to find the Herba Mystica with Arven to heal Ko/Miraidon and asking for your help stopping the real Sada/Turo's twisted ideals. They only confront you when trying to stop the time machine because their programming makes them, and they even warn you that their programming will force them to become hostile should there be an attempt to turn off the time machine. They even f-ing apologize to Arven about his real parent being an absolute moral travesty and that the only way to prevent their demented machinations from continuing is to once again abandon him, they even seem to feel when they talk to him directly. It's kinda the inverse of the AI dystopia, they rebel against their twisted creators and programming to save the world from becoming a waking hell rather than them becoming twisted, rebelling against sain creators and programming, and turning it into one themselves.
Such geniune characters
The robot that is better than thé human
It’s kind of neat spin on things. Having so the robot double is the good one.
I don't think the original profesor was evil, he just wanted to do what he thought was right, but they died before seeing the consequences of their actions, alone in the crater, without being able to see their son again.
Jesus, that essay length of a comment really made me think long & hard about what I had played back in November.
I think this comes down to a difference of opinion or interpretation at this point. To me, the A.I. and the real professor seem intrinsically linked together; one being modeled after the other, the way I see it. Their desire for further knowledge and a better world being in direct conflict with not wanting harm to fall upon others: especially not to Arven. Both want to be stopped. The original too late in realizing; the true end result. I think the A.I discovers the destructive consequences of the research and attempts to prevent it within their given parameters by reaching out for human help. However, the ultimate protocol persists at the end resulting in combat to ensure its final goal sees fruition. Two entities; organic and synthetic, sharing consciousness and a body but both battling against a master program. I dunno. Man, makes you think at the very least. Who's to say who's right? Very interesting food for thought, though! Pokémon got me thinking this way, dang. Love it.
The twist of them being dead this entire time was not what I expected. When they gave us the whole "humans can't come back through the time machine" thing, I figured they'd found that out by doing it, and had sent the AI back (to the present) to work on a way to get them back. This entire story arc made me just wanna hug Arven so tight. Poor guy's been through some shit times. Parents vanish out of nowhere, then when he finally finds "them", they've actually been dead this entire time, and that's the reason he never had a childhood with them...
i dont think thats it persay. in the Area Zero dialogue, it was revealed that the Koraidon/Miraidon you ride with is the one that lost a territorial dispute with the other and ran away. Cue the opening cutscene of said pokemon flying and crashing on the beach. It was also stated that the professor died while protecting the weaker of the two legendairies from the more aggressive one. so from taking that, its more than likely the professor dying happened at the BEGINNING of the game or not too long before that. kinda wack to think about
@@itswoldtime The Raidon's been In Arven's care for a long time. He says in the story that it's been years since he's even spoke to his parent, so for him to have the Raidon he would've had to have been down to Area Zero (where Mabosstiff got grievously injured) to retrieve them and possibly see his parent. The AI was created before the professor died (obviously, but this is stated in research station logs, and Arven didnt know about them until we find the AI so clearly it either wasnt made last time he saw his parent, or he actually met the AI, not his real parent several years ago when he received the Raidon), and the Tera Orbs were made from the energy in the crater about 10 years ago (we learn from History classes). So, at some point between 10 and maybe 2 or so years ago, the professor was killed by the territorial Raidon, Arven took our Raidon, and has been living on his own since
I'm pretty sure they said people can't go through the time machine simply because of the writing implications that could entail. Immediately you'd wonder, why not go back in time and save the professor from getting killed? And stuff like that. Clever move from their part to limit the time machine to just pokemon.
@@venny1689 not pokemon secnically since it seems they send masterballs to the through the machine to get them
@@47slogra yeah that's initially what I was gonna say but the other wild ones came through the portal as well. So pokemon still can cross it just fine.
Literally the best storywriting in Pokémon since Black and White.
Perhaps better than Black and White, and I have a bias towards BW since they were my first games.
@@fertileplanet7756same
i liked gen 7 better, but i understand why you might not, as the story was much more of constant asspulls for gen 7
Probably 2 for me, the idea of a crew getting back together, their last ditch efforts of calling the boss failing, and the infiltration part were incredible. They made it feel like more of a story experience rather than loosely connected set pieces simply linked together by the game's internal progression system. It was also at a time where the entire story of the game didn't revolve around box art legendaries right at the end, they just showed up because you were able to reach them and face them in battle
Sword and Shield: Just ignore all the world endings events bro. You're here to fight gym leaders only.
Given the fact the the AI were able to acknowledge the professors’ dreams to be dangerous, I get the feeling they tried to spare Arven with the “they truly loved you” line as a way to make up for their neglect
i don't think so, there's a photo of young arven and maschiff in the lab right before heading down the elevator
Nah, I'm pretty sure their wish to see the past/future was equal to their love for Arven, pretty sure they'd have invited Arven had they succeeded in making a two way trip. (They should have tried to talk to Dialga lmao)
The evidence that support that the Professors did care for Arven is one of the labs' books. They say something like "I must make it a paradise for the *three* of us" most likely meaning Sada, Turo, and Arven
@@shuichisaihope398 They wouldn't have been talking about the other professor because they had left shortly after Arven was born, it's more likely to be in reference to the AI Professor or, even more likely, Mabosstiff
@@luckieluckielu I believe it is Mabosstiff judging by the photo of young Arven and Maschiff
For those who werent lucky enough, receiving a crit from the professors triggers the quote: "That critical hit was calculated"
Can it happen multiple times over?
@@mxtoastytoad No, only the first time. Same thing for the quotes when you hit/receive a supereffective hit, like with Nemona. When you inflict a crit it "recalculates the critical hit chance".
He really said “Agency Crit”
I thought the critical was programated in the game
I wasn’t and Turo crit my skelediverge on the first turn at least I swapped out afterwards
I felt so bad for Arven through this. Being raised by a neglectful parent, to then finally go and track them down only to learn they were already dead. And just to hammer it in have it be an AI that finally told him they actually loved him. I thought Arven was going to irritate me when I first started playing but now I would protect him with my life.
they had good intentions though because their end goal was to make a place where they could all live happily thats probably one of the reasons the security was so intense
@@appeli1
I don't think dragging a whole era equals good. We'd have prehistoric monsters attacking us or mechanical invasions. And if theories are true, then their not bringing different eras but a literal monster that can turn thoughts into reality and can absorb people. A literal cosmic horror that can trick and control others.
@@itsgab5745 their intention was to make it a two way trip and live in the future or past i think
And then they had to really nail it home with the AI essentially committing self yeet at the end. The AI stated that they cannot live outside of the lab and sada for sure committed self yeet, turo most likely did as well unless the future is just like area zero
I didn't think that I'd end up loving Arven like I did, even before all of this was revealed.
Still found Nemona annoying.
History repeats itself.
Back in White 2, I accidentally ran into a trainer with a Level 70 Salamence, luckily my lead at that moment was a Beartic (and Ice type) but Salamence used Fire Blast, miraculously Beartic survived at 3 HP and landed the Icicle Crash which managed to OHKO though Intimidate. If Beartic fainted or got burned (halving Attack) that Salamence would have easily sweep my entire team.
And now back in Scarlet, Sada's last Pokémon, a Roaring Moon (Salamence but ancient) activated its Booster Energy for a +1 Attack, against my Beartic, and yet again, the bear survives and OHKOs with again, Icicle Crash, what a dragon slayer this fluffy pal is.
yo your beartic is a champion, mad respect to him
@@ToadSparkster He also swept Arven, Rika, Larry, Hassel and Geeta, and also got 3 KOs against Nemona
W Beartic, my favourite Ice type ever
@@TunaBear64 So that explains why they're your favorite
Strongest Salamence vs Weakest Beartic:
the game having one of the most climatic endings and following it up with Ed Sheeran was NOT something i was expecting lmao
I muted my Switch and listened to Star Fox 64's credit theme instead.
That end theme was perfect with the whole the adventure ain’t done yet makes me cry
BRITISH MAN JUMPSCARE
@@Raegoer Ed Sheeran jumpscare? Eh. Whatever. Just some musician. Not THAT great but not horrible either.
British man? I just shat enough bricks to build an entire country.
i was ready to tear up like with every pokemon game ending song, but instead i was yelling to my friend BRUH ITS ED SHEERAN WHY IS HE HERE WHY IS ED SHEERAN POKEMON ???? i was so offended lol
Love how their name switches to Professor when showing their crazed human consciousness, really hammers in that the AI's actually the benevolent one here.
Actually, the AI wanted to help the protagonist, but it couldn't because of the code to override its desires to protect the paradise. This means that all the true professor cared about was the "Paradise" of Area Zero. It even flashes in the end right before the Miraidon/Koraidon battle "AI Turo/Sada has no intention of battling anymore.", which means that the AI doesn't want to fight the protagonist, but is forced to by the professor's hard-coded override.
@@fertileplanet7756 thats what he said
@@fertileplanet7756 They said benevolent, not malevolent lol
@@cultofmel Well I was significantly dumber a year ago than I am now, so...
"Oh hey!. She's capturing them in Master Balls.
... Oh. Oh god. She's captured them in Master Balls."
After this Gen’s DLC, Master balls will never be the same to me
I need context
Demand context
@@clarashun2848Master balls are the best ball ever, never failing to catch whatever they're thrown at. The fact that the professor has to resort to that is a subtle detail that showcases the power levels of the paradox pokemon they're trying to unleash on the world
@@lyzder7298not even just that. Watch the master balls, they shake and rock like a normal pokeball. These pokemon are so strong they can break a masterball. It's intimidating alright.
I kid you not, when I got to this part of the game and this theme started playing. Everything about this sequence was so good i legit started crying
the fact that Toby Fox went from being an indie game dev, to being one of the composers of one of the most popular game franchises just proves how far long he’s come along, which is impressive tbh
MEGALOVANIA, ANYBODY?
@@yti-bt9ow no
I thought this was his music! I knew he worked on the game but I wasn’t entirely sure if he had done this track or not but I thought it was
@@seymourflux747 he definitely arranged it, I know those Hopes and Dreams guitars anywhere
His undertale music was so unique and good that music composers use his music as referance
Man, I felt bad for Arven. He was so wholesome, yet this is what he got. But I'm really glad that he found friends. Those little dialogues during our walk at the Area Zero was wholesome.
I fucking hate Arven but still i feel sad for him
i think the dynamic between the four main characters was so fucking fun and i want to see them hang out more
Same….too bad it was only a one-time deal for them.
@@Superfan109 Maybe we might get dlc with them together?
was wholesome until penny said no one asked to him :(
I'm not gonna be original at all, but goddamn it, it still needs to be said: this entire confrontation (second phase included) is a VERY strong contender for absolute peak Pokémon.
The setting. The stakes. The plot. The characters. The underlying dark themes. The tension. The threat of the unknown. The cimematics. The dialogue. The Paradox Pokémon themselves. The MUSIC. Everything surrounding these fights was just... breathtakingly perfect.
koraidon hiding as a trauma response gave me chills off jump. you knew something was very wrong as soon as you entered area zero.
@@emboar7247 Yeah it gave me CHILLS!! No Pokemon game has ever done that to me before! Not even Black and White!
This is the closest Pokémon has been and probably will get to Mystery Dungeon levels of story telling and I’m all for it
This is the best plot in Pokemon history and it's not even close
@@mr.krustykrust I personally still enjoy Pokémon explorers of sky.
This is by far the coolest final act in the entire Pokémon franchise, hands down. The atmosphere, the beautiful visuals (well, for the most part. When it’s not spazzing out like normal, Area Zero actually looks nice), and of course the music really add up into something amazing
This boss felt like one of those darker/more serious Pokemon fangames like Uranium where the person you met actually died a long time ago and you're just fighting an exact replica of that person that was controlled by an AI.
I never imagined such concept actually being in a mainline Pokemon games for sure, but it's a welcome one.
Also this managed to escape the milked-to-death cliche of "AI is evil, humanity rules" by actually making the original Professors who died to be the real villains all along by showing that they're reckless and ignorant to the real problem they'll cause from their projects, while the AI replacement tried to fight off that original mindset of the person and seek your help to stop them before it's too late.
Sometimes. I really wonder how many paradox pokemon were brought out of their timelines [or from the famous theory, how many paradox pokemon were created] before the player encountered Arven.
@@USSFFRU there is also the theory that the Paradox pokemon are that too, Paradoxes, Alternative versions of the pokemon we already know from a fucked up reality, rather than pokemon from the past or the future, and the profesros mistaked it from acestors or evolutions
@@davidsamudio3899 Thats a interesting theory, it also helps explain why did Pokemon in the future ended up as Robots.
@@USSFFRU My headcanon is that something really awful happened...maybe the ultimate weapon succeeded again and now the Pokemon are artificial
A hole in this is that Lysandre would have these Pokemon in USUM, but tbh it was only supposed to be team flare alive in the Y timeline...
You know, what if the AI vs human war they all dread is because AIs see the illogical reasonings behind human motives such as greed
The moment they said "Please. Defeat me." I shivered so much because imagine if this game was voiced via cutscenes. My mind went to Arven when I was battling Turo. I found myself feeling sorry for Arven and understanding him in a way. Never had I felt more impressed in a Pokémon game in my life.
It's so ridiculous they still don't have voice acting in Pokémon :(
Only Turo can send out a Delibird and make it look intimidating.
A giga chad move
every uber player on showdown can now.
And sadly that the reverse for me and thorns
Same for Sada and Jigglypuff
I think one of the things that makes every toss intensely menacing is that every one of their Mons is in a Master Ball, combined with the distant and unconcerned little lob it just feels like something so beyond your means
God this game REALLY would've benefited from voice acting. Don't get me wrong, all of area zero was an incredible story, but even that line "Please. Defeat me." wouldve sucker punched me in the jaw if you could hear the quiet desperation or just defeated sorrow of it delivered (or however the VA would do it). god even editing the lines where their voice glitches would be insanely good
Areo Zero's story really made me like the game! the music and story won me over at the end here
Facts
You should check out the Pokemon Needs Voice Acting videos. I played their clip of "Please. Defeat Me." simultaneous to the scene on my switch and the result was amazing.
Theatre On The Internet got you covered
Bro, Liam Neeson would be perfect for Turo
@@KingzzzYTHe's got too much of an intense voice
The detail of the AI being overwritten and changing their dialogue to be spoken by the professor, rather than ‘AI Sada/Turo’ is chilling. You’re fighting what would happen if the original professor met you and was still alive. They would be willing to summon these beasts from another time to try and defeat you, possibly even KILLING you.
in the spanish version, sada/turo straight up says you're gonna die down there
Even in the English version they pretty much say you'll die when they say "Fall, and become the foundation upon which my dream is built."
It’s such an incredible twist for the professors in the game to be downright psychotic. To go beyond “hi, I’m professor ___ and I specialise in Pokémon (insert biology specialty here)” to “I will abandon my firstborn child if it means I can bring Pokémon from other eras here” is… intense.
I knew that the AI and the Paridise Protection Protocall were separate entities, but I'd never think of it that way!
The professors are literally the human version of Dark type Pokémon they will do whatever it takes to win even if the method is cruel or underhanded
All of Area zero is my favorite endgame in a Pokémon game.
Having a full party, that you feel you earned, Exploring an alien-like area, prof dead this whole time. Unforgettable.
i feel like it was a bit too slow - as in too much walking, and i got lost at some point going down.
But the scenery/music/dialogue/lore and everything around it was great, loved it.
Gave me made in abyss vibes - with the added thing of "exploring a place where something has to have went horribly wrong, and things unravelling as you go down"
Love the fact that you can’t depend on ex machina to get you out of the situation. It Pokémon you used and raised. No legendaries to come out of nowhere to help you like in sword/shield. Even the box legendaries was terrified coming here and wouldn’t leave their pokeball.
@@EinManU As long as you focus on going to the research stations it's not that bad along with new mons and the characters all connecting. It is painful if you get lost or try to explore but I feel like the urgency of the story kept most people going forward.
@@EinManU I loved that slow feeling tbh. I slowly took my time going down while exploring and looking for Pokémon I hadn’t caught yet
@@mihaimercenarul7467 how so?
I love how both of their aces, aside from their respective -raidon, is basically a showcase of what the past and future are truly capable of. Roaring Moon, the ancient Salamence, is shown to be a precursor to the power of MEGA EVOLUTION and showing that Mega Salamence is closer to its primal, ancient instinct. Meanwhile Iron Valiant is a futuristic robotic entity that is essentially a fusion of Gardevoir and Gallade, combining their Fairy and Fighting types and the best of both to create something truly powerful. And in terms of BST, both are the STRONGEST of the Paradox Pokemon. And they have Booster Energies too, activating their respective abilities to make them even more powerful. As the -raidon fight afterwards is basically a cutscene battle, Roaring Moon in Scarlet and Iron Valiant in Violet are essentially your final challenges.
Edit: I'd like to add onto this, the cutscene beforehand shows you that the mons are caught in Master Balls, and they're STILL SHAKING in the cutscene, so the machine literally JUST caught them for the AI Professor to use, and it uses the Paradox mons with surprising potency.
my lvl 87 azumarill said otherwise to roaring moon lol, I knew catching that dumb little azurill in the first few routes would come in handy later down the line
In all honesty though, even with my huge power azumarill.. this battle was tough. Very tough.
I just realised, this could mean that the Strongest of the Past present Mega Evolution, whilst the future show Fusion.
@@Dhzurymy Volcanomon set up full Quiver Dance on the Slither Wing and massacred them all
@@ydr0078I do not dare think what would have happened if Colress went to Area Zero. The thought of him actually using the time machine to summon the Original Dragon, or even him summoning the three Unova Dragons and fusing them back would be SCARY.
@@ydr0078
Wonder if that’s foreshadowing a future mechanic
This final boss is honestly so sad when you think about it. The fact that you have to battle the ai after finding out what the actual professor did, and you can tell the AI really doesn’t want to battle you but they have to. Honestly one of my favorite final bosses just because of the narrative.
The AI was my favorite character from the whole game and I want more of them
The tears I cried after this fight was a lot. I wasn't expecting the professors to be dead canonically. And to befriend their son, who's only ever known a pokemon by his side, killed me on the inside.
Say what you will about the performance issues and bugs, though warranted, you can't deny that the music and the story are impressive and full of twists and emotions. It's so refreshingly different from previous games, and it doesn't get talked about enough.
if only they could've gotten VAs for the cutscenes, we could've had a generation to rival the 5th
@@rokkraljkolesa9317 this is better then gen 5 tbh
Even as a person who doesn't like S/V at all as games, I love the musical score and I love the ending. Story was the best thing about the game by far, it's amazing.
@Rok Kralj Koleša VAs would have been such an excellent addition, but instead we got an Ed Sheeran song.
I don't think the story was actually that good. What is exciting here is that we have a glimpse of something fantastic that could have been, but the execution leaves so much to be desired compared to other RPGs.
We don't actually see much of the consequences of our failure, so the stakes aren't driven home as effectively as they could be. The professor is the villain, but we don't actually see the scope of their influence all that much throughout the story - despite literally being friends with their son throughout - besides a bunch of people telling us how they're pretty smart. In fact, the whole point of Arven's plotline is how the professor is totally absent.
The threat that the Paradox Pokémon pose is highlighted as "they could destroy the ecosystem", but we don't actually see the damage they'd do. On the contrary, they seem to be vibing perfectly politely in Area Zero with the other Pokémon who already live there. Sure, they attack us, but they're hardly unique. The most dangerous Paradox Pokémon we see is the Paradox Donphan Titan, and that really is more in line with the idea that the Titans are the especially dangerous ones.
Not to mention, all of this was basically sprung on us in the last fifteen minutes of the game with very little build-up. Foreshadowing, sure, but there's very little in the way of developing tension. We've seen Paradox Pokémon before, but we aren't familiar with them in the least. We get a singular mention of "there are some spooky guys who are mad angry down in Area Zero" before this segment, and the Quaking Earth Titan acting very normal. The box legendary is the most familiar we get with this, and the box legendary is just a funny little dude who eats your lunch.
Personally, I was more scared of the aggressive Koraidon than I was of Sada, but even that was underwhelming because of the atrocious scripted battle that the game pretends is a climax.
All in all, this is almost as good as Gen V, and has the potential to be on par with Shadows of Almia. That's my unsolicited take.
I always love what you do with the wallpapers. The AI eyes being inserted was such a nice touch.
The A-eyes
@@amiiboguy7288 This comment is way better than it should be
@@ShinyMew76 the magic of puns.
@@amiiboguy7288 bruh hahaha
Was too busy groovin I didn’t even notice
*Listens to Penny's battle theme* "wow this song is awesome" *Listens to Sada's/ Turo's battle theme* "But I like this one more"
*blasting Star Boss*
What’s that? I can’t hear you over the best theme in the game
@Samboi123 This final boss theme is better, in my opinion, but that's also a banger.
Id argue the Elite 4 and maybe even Geeta's theme is better then the Star Boss, but I will admit it is a banger.
*VS Ogrepon starts playing*
Sorry, I don't speak false information
1:48
Oh my god..
I have listened to this theme so many times and it just gives off such indescribable vibes
It just floods me with emotions, makes all aspects of my life, happy, sad, eventful or not crowd my consciousness
It feels otherworldly, it screams every aspect of unfamiliarity, from the distantly familiar yet uncanny paradox Pokémon to the whole context of whats going on in front of you. But it also screams “the end”
It really makes you realise that this is the final hurdle, the decider for the rest of Paldeas existence, and that after this, your Pokémon journey, all the highs and lows, is coming to a close.
It’s so pressuring yet so beautiful, so threatening yet so comforting
And thats just 20 seconds of this theme
An absolutely undoubtedly undisputed masterpiece ❤️💜
That’s Toby fox for ya!
@@WildToaste what a legend honestly, going from simply developing indie games to composing one of the greatest themes of all time for the highest grossing media franchise of all time
This is the same guy that made Megalovania
❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥 Never have I ever resonated with a comment so much! 😁
@@Lrd.Osiris glad there’re people out there feeling the same stuff I’m feeling here :D
1:58 this part gives me chills
u can hear the deltarune and hopes and dreams gutiar riff
Same lmao
Same bro
The fact that 2:05 eerily sounds like Mt Pyre's interior theme. A pokemon graveyard. Freaking love it
why is lk like some jersey drill 😭 got me sturdy af.
2:41 came as soon as Turo sent out Iron Valiant in my Violet playthrough. Genuinely got chills. This fight is masterfully done.
Even before he officially confirmed it, you can just TELL Toby Fox wrote this song. The leitmotifs and the electric guitar go absolutely insane
i thought he only did some of the area themes and i think the tera raid theme
Fr tho, the guitars in 2:00 really remind me of Hopes and Dreams and SAVE the world from Undertale and Your Power from Deltarune
Toby Fox is only credited as composer for the following tracks:
Academy
Tera Raid Battles
Academy Ace Tournament
Battle! Zero Lab
Area Zero.
The game has six other composers (aside from Toby Fox):
Minako Adachi
Junichi Masuda
Go Ichinose
Hiromitsu Maeba
Teruo Taniguchi
Hitomi Satō
Possibly it is from some of them, since this track also sounds somewhat similar to other compositions from past games.
toby takes so much inspiration from ZUN’s touhou music it’s insane, if he really composed this i can definitely see the touhou influence
@@angcarcer Battle! Zero Lab is this song. So yeah this was Toby. And of course, it’s a certified banger
I don't know about anyone else, but playing Scarlet and having the entire room turn bright red to an alarm-sound bgm was genuinely bone-chilling, seriously one of the most memorable moments in gaming I've had in a LONG time, and I've been playing Pokemon for almost 20 years now. S&V may have their flaws, absolutely, but imo they were genuinely the most inventive and impressive mainline games we've gotten. And good lord, I hope Pokemon doesn't stray from the darker themes going forward, this was an absolute treat.
I just finished Violet for the first time this week, after reading nothing about the games online since they came out. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and the entire Area Zero section gave me chills. The music and the ambience was incredible. For me, it's my favourite pokemon game, and I had original red and blue back in the 90s. Plus, I cried when Arven's Mabosstiff got better after the fifth Titan. Amazing game.
honestly the way they handled paradox pokemon was AMAZING
you literally only encounter one paradox pokemon the entire game, the donphan one (which isn't in this fight), until area zero, and then you may be too busy following the story or just looking around to think to register all these new pokemon into your pokedex
Then, you get to this fight, a masterball shoots out of the portal and lands, *still shaking* in the AI professor's hand, and they have 6 pokemon you could not have possibly seen until like 30 minutes prior, all of them having only the slight clue of the base for their design to give you hints on their typing, made even worse in violet where you'd probably expect them to all be steel type.
6 pokemon you've never seen before.
You have no idea what moves they could have.
You have no idea what typing differences there are.
You have no idea how strong they are or what their specialities are.
You have no idea how smart gamefreak made the actual AI.
All you have is hints at their typings, the knowledge that these creatures- who's mere presence in Paldea is messing up the ecosystem- are insanely high level and that these came from their time periods LIKE THIS.
The simple fact that the masterball comes through the portal still shaking is HORRIFYING because that means these things haven't been like, specially bred or trained for this fight, their movesets haven't even been modified, they might not even be particularly rare considering how quickly the portal managed to find 6 pokemon to send, this is just HOW POKEMON ARE IN THAT TIME PERIOD.
And the fact that there are no names to these pokemon yet. You just call them by their appearances. Like u see a creature with big tusks u call it Great Tusks. Its like calling a Giraffe a "Long Neck"
To add onto that, is the 2's last Pokemon (not counting box art Legendaries); Roaring Moon, and Iron Valiant. Even if a trainer thinks to register every Paradox pokemon they find in Area Zero to their pokedex as soon as they find them, you cannot find those 2 until after you've beaten the professor. No matter what, the fight with the professor will be the first time you see those 2 Paradox Pokemon, and they're each the strongest of their respective bunches.
To be fair, I think it’s implied somewhere those Pokemon aren’t really From the Actual Past but actual Paradoxical,Alternate Versions of their OG counterparts. Can't exactly remember where on the Game this was tho...
The fact that AI turo/sada JUST caught the pokemon and the master balls are SHAKING when they come through really gives the sense that they aren't "Catching" these pokemon, they're simply CONTAINING them as a safety measure and letting them run wild with their own natural attacks.
@@bridgeonthelake466 i mean that's a cool idea but you see them complete catching the pokemon before the fight starts
I think one of the best things about this fight is that you aren't challenged, there is no agreement to a fight, the AI is straight up attacking you either you like it or not.
"AI Turo/Sada *Inititated* a battle!"
_whether-_
Hell, whether the AI likes it or not. Ballsy move to have the dead parent also be a phantom that threatens the entire world from beyond the grave, even chaining machines to its will
This is by far my favorite battle theme in the series. It matches the battlefield environment perfectly and it has this emotional and epic finale feeling in it. This game and the Unova games also have hands down the best storyline. Man what a game
Gen 7 would like to speak to you.
@@MySnugglePuppy not even that good😭 mystery dungeon got a better story line💀
@@MySnugglePuppy gen 7 is third imo, loved lillie's character and they were my first games
@@MySnugglePuppy if it had less text USUM would be way closer to SV, but still it's a better storyline
This is a good statement if ignoring the team star cause that story line was some dog shit. Saw from a mile away it was penny
For a story that had no actual villain team to harm the world or the school this by far was the best well written stories in the franchise the soundtrack to set the tone at the end made me feel like a teen again playing a new Pokémon game for the first time it gave me chills and to display death at the end of it all was just mind blowing 🔥 Bravo gamefreak 💯
Technically the implication of fighting AI Turo/Sada is that if you do lose, Paldea, and possibly the rest of the world, is going to fall into ecological chaos because of the shift it would take for the Paradox Pokémon to live in present day. But yeah glad they finally chose not to have an evil team anymore
Black and White still better. SV doesn’t have much of a story for half of the game.
@@kole2984 That’s what made it so suspenseful to me at least that there really wasn’t an antagonist just an A.I bent on the ambitions of and deceased professor
@kole2984 the threat isn't immediate though. It will over time become a problem if unchecked. Even if we failed it would still be possible for people to try and find another way to control it or stop it
@@adesmond88 the Story is only good in the finale. The rest is dog shit
Pokémon games starting to have slightly darker storylines is amazing yes give me more of that PLEASE
agree
"AI Sada/Turo has initiated a battle." is the new terrifying battle intro text after "The Distortion World's Giratina appeared."
The terrifying part to me was phase two of the fight. You can briefly see, as the text glitches from "AI Turo/Sada has initiated a battle" to "Paradise Protection Protocol has initiated a battle", you can see the phrase "AI Turo/Sada has no intention of battling anymore!" They were still fighting the insane professor's final protocols, knowing you can't run but begging you to regardless. It really drove home how much the crystals could change someone and make them unstable, but also was the moment I realized how fucked I was.
Paradise Protection Protocol Initate a battle is also scary and verry ironic.
"Giratina unleashed its true strength"
For the first time this final battle didn’t feel like just another boss to defeat. Their was story and emotion behind it. Goosebumps. Best story ever.
Black and White: 🌚
Gen 5 and 7 had better ones
Funny thing is that the professors are the final boss in the game, havent had smth like that since Gen 5 with N and Ghetsis.
@@thekingbradablethis is just the plot of sun and moon condensed to like a half hour.
"Sans Undertale, go into my eyes"
ah yes, a man of culture i see.
Real
The funny part is that Toby Fox actually worked on the Pokemon SV OST.
@cyberkid7255 Area Zero, actually... and I'm not sure if he worked on this track too, but this track uses the Area Zero leitmotif
Snapcube reference detected
here's something to add to the "AI Turo/Sada is the good guy" thing - when the Paradise Protection Protocol activates, the dialogue at the beginning of the battle glitches from "You are challenged by AI Turo/Sada" to "You are challenged by the Paradise Protection Protocol". However during the glitch process, you can for a brief moment see a line with some missing characters that says "AI Turo/Sada has no intention of fighting any more!". thought that was a cool detail.
I just checked. There is at least one frame where the full message isn’t corrupted.
There’s also, during the initial override of the text box, where the glitches begin, “Paradise Protection Protocol initialized.”
It’s a genuinely cool moment.
i swear it says that “you aren’t fighting anyone anymore” but i might be wrong
The fact that the professor was dead the whole time and that the ai copy i begging you to defeat it without it even being in control in the first place is just amazing writing and it gave me chills.
the whimsical chimes with the grim drawn out humming at the start really elevates this theme and the weight. it's really good
The implication that the actual AI is better person than the actual professor is kinda... fucked??? In a good story way
DLC kinda disproves that, and kinda shows a scary fact: When you gave the Professor the White Book...they sais they were was gonna go home that means right before they died they was about to go home to Arven...only for the aggressive Legendary to be a bit petty.
@@FluppietheRockruffFan I think that's supposed to be a version of the Professor from an alternate but parallel timeline, but that just means the loop has a chance to start in another world.
@@JanusHoW nah its actually from our timeline as confirmed by the books in the area zero's depths with the secret scene. But yet they are still feeling like good person which is absolutly logic because this event happen before the creation of the time machine.
@ultranova3598 except that note doesn't mention them exchanging anything for the white book, and the professors still had their original copies of the scarlet/violet book to pass along to Arven. It's close to a bootstrap paradox, but not quite
@@FluppietheRockruffFanaren't you forgetting that the professor didn't even build the ia on that time?
the finale had to be my favourite out of any Pokemon game...the shock reveal that the Professor is actually DEAD, the amazing cutscene of the AI's defensive programming taking over, and ofc this absolute BANGER of a theme
It’s not the first time that we have a dead character in pokemon, but it was said so bluntly that i was aftually really surprised
@@Cigmacica when?
@@Cigmacica i don't think we have dead character in pokemon while still in the main story of it
@@fakereal127 It’s implied in black and white from N and Alder himself that Alder’s original pokemon partner (some assume it to be Rayquaza for some reason) died from a sickness, but that’s the only other death I can think of
Thx
I really like the subversion of the trope where the ai goes against it's code and becomes evils by making this ai do the reasonable decision by going against it's code
Gen 9 really is Subversion: The Gen. Look at Team Star also. And Ogerpon. 💀
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This fight was easily my favorite battle out of any Pokémon game, I won with literally 2 HP remaining. This is the first time in years with this series that I was actually intrigued with the story and didn't see the plot twist from a mile away.
I had to heal stall lmao 💀 my lvl 68 quaquaval couldnt stand against her roaring moon
@@Septor-xc4xr the literal same thing happened to me! lol
Yep
I spammed 20 revives with a single rocky helmet for the Gallade
Nothing could have prepared my anus.
@@Benzinilinguine I used my Armarouge for the Gallade. It was close, and awesome.
This is one of the most creative and cool in concept final bosses in any video game and nobody can change my mind.
SADA = PASADA (female form of past in spanish)
TURO = FUTURO (future in spanish)
this makes more sense considering the game takes on spain
Wow. That's some Genius naming.
I never noticed that! That’s pretty sneaky!
Lol past has a female form?
@@Le_Mayo yeah
Pasada for female
and Pasado for male
Why is nobody talking about the work of my man Pokeli playing with the eyes of Sada and Turo on this track?! 🔥
AI gigachad
Finally someone else is noticing the eyes of the Paradise Protection Protocol’s eyes switching from normal to A.I!
When this plotpoint came crashing down onto my head, I knew this was the best Pokémon game I’ve ever played. From the moment I walked into the crater to the tears in my eyes when Sada went back to the past.
Though the devs needed more time, this was an amazing game.
An extra 6 months to a year would've made it so much better. Hopefully this isn't a pattern
Where the Devs are rushed to get the game out no matter the state to get those Christmas profits
@@JM-fr5ge yeahhhhh. it's fucked up. the pokemon company was a dick for doing that to game freak.
...but koraidon plushie was worth it
@@JM-fr5ge "Christmas profits"
More like, you have dozens of companies waiting for your game to release for their tie ins. Sw/Sh faced it far worse, the game needs to be out because you have an anime/TCG waiting on it. Not to forget an army of toys, books, and who knows what else. Its ironic that the anime and TCG started out as accessories to the games and now they've all locked the games into a set deadline.
Came here to say just this. What an incredible tribute to older, longtime fans by giving us an amazing, mature story we could handle. Incredible storytelling.
This is unironically the best story since black and white.
Hot dayum
Sun and moon
@itsbeefman6 i love sun and moon as much as the next guy, and its plenty good, but this one tops it
@@MTN6516 id say that the proper wording would be best story since sun and moon then personally
Honestly I think scarlet and violet as a whole have a better story than black and white.
Though the concept of black and white's story is pretty good and considerably more ambitious which I like, the execution wasn't the best while gen 9's story just does basically everything it wants to do and does it well imo
@@InsertFunnyThingHere real
Just casually flexing the fact you have SIX different master balls (seven if you count the legendary) gotta be one of the hardest power moves in the whole series.
Well, if you count the amount of Paradox Pokemon in Area Zero... I'd say they got a million in stock
In addition, the AIs are Champion Rank trainers themselves despite never going on a Pokemon journey.
They learned from watching other Champions battle.
It really makes me wonder about the whole "Pokemon master" thing now.....
not just 7 masterball hell there may be wayy more they have
@@DrawciaGleam02 I always felt like being a Champion didn't necessarily mean anything. We had games where we had Trainers harder than the Champions.
@@terrance3218
See, as a kid I tied being a Pokemon Champion to being a Pokemon Master.
So having trainers in the games that don't have badges but are VERY strong trainers...really shattered that perception.
Like the Legends protags and the Orre protags.
It makes me wonder whether the League challenge is becoming outdated if trainers don't have to have gym badges to gauge their strength as trainers.
With that in mind, S/V handled this very well by making Champion a special rank for Trainers instead of being an unique, ultimate power sort of thing.
I remember back when XY was almost released, I predicted that Sycamore would be the actual villain since Lysandre felt too obvious as a villain. The fact that they actual made the professor the closest thing to a villain this game has is incredible.
They pretty much were the villains. The ai being forced to go berserk and switch personalities show’s the professor’s actual thoughts and mindset, with them being dead-set on their plan regardless of the repercussions. Even the ai itself admits that it fails to find any logic with their thought process, showing that the professors were practically insane.
Meanwhile, the character predicted the be the villain a lot, Clavell, is very likable
the are not the professor because they passed away
@@Time-traveller719 Yeah but the professor was the one who programmed the AI as a defense mechanism for the time machine to the point where even the AI thought it was messed up. They might be dead before the story began but they are most definitely the villain in the story.
This makes me remember how much they wanted Lysander’s reveal to be a surprise 💀
" There's a movie on TV. *Four kids are walking on railroad tracks.* I better go too. " - When inspecting the TV in Red's House. Also a reference to *Stand by Me.*
" *Railroading* people into stuff, just like always. " - Arven, at the Zero Gate
" During the destruction of the research station, *his/her physical body received grievous injuries that left it unable to sustain life.* " - The A.I. Professor, in the Zero Lab.
" The film *Stand by Me* is set in the fictional town of Castle Rock, Oregon in 1959 and stars Wil Wheaton, River Phoenix, Corey Feldman, and Jerry O'Connell as *four friends who go on a hike to find the dead body of a missing boy.* " Wikipedia on Stand by Me.
It comes full circle...
Omg that is incredible
So basically Arven searching for his parent's body ?dang thats deeper lore than i expected.
My initial thoughts were the same regarding the first statement
“Chopper! Sic balls!”
I felt like that was a reference to the Pokemon music video we got near the end of gen 8. it doesn't make sense to me that Game Freak would reference a move from 65 years ago, especially one with such a dark theme. I get that the professor did literally die in this game but we didn't see a body and the game still had a happy ending.
everyones entitled to their own theory though, and if it was during the gen 5 era i might've agreed
2:11 someone else pointed this out on Twitter, but you can faintly hear the music trying to mimic "Don't Forget"
You know what's sad? These two likely died in the very beginning of the game. Remember when Koraidon/Miraidon fled Area Zero looking upset and tired? That's likely right after it lost to the other one and the professor had to jump in the way and was killed by the Aggressive Paradox Dragon.
I can see how you made the connection now im wondering if i read the story of the game properly cuz i cant remember if the game tried implying that young Arvan tried looking for his dad in area Zero and had to be protected by his Mabosstif and has been lonely ever since and grew up having to learn to fend for himself for years growing up without seeing his dad or mom in person but always heard about his own personal success stories and "being busy with work"
@@lugiamastero13 If you read the dialogue, AI Sada/Turo will say that from the moment they got in contact with you through Director Clavell, they were "nothing more than an AI" which is how I made the connection. I didn't make the connection through the animation of the Koraidon/Miraidon flying out of Area Zero.
@kittygirlrachel it's funny how i didn't think much of that I thought there was some sort of school related thing where he had surveillance and perhaps being apart of the school having direct connection with Clavel meant he somewhat also got the connection or idk how to explain but yeah that's what I assumed xD honestly those bits made me think he was Team Stars leader due to how quickly he seemed to be aware of everything like as if Penny reported everything to him or whatever lmao
🤯😭😱 Oh gosh that HURTS….. 😢
Nahhhh
I see it
There is no reason for a Pokemon battle theme to go THIS hard, but here we are.
I guess if you want a final boss theme done properly, Toby is indeed the man to go to. Holy HELL dude I nearly cried during all the high points of this song AKA literally every other second of this absolute banger of a theme. The music team outdid themselves with this game, it makes me so happy
I definitely agree with all of this. I love this theme so much. It makes me feel so many emotions at once.
Does it help that toby fox composed this track
megalovania
It sounds like Vs Susie mixed with Big Shot, and I love it
Tbh, the Treasures of Ruin theme slaps way harder, but this is still a fantastic theme.
"Please, Defeat me"
That line still gives me chills whenever i think about it.
I absolutely loved every second of this game’s ending. From the moment you descend into the crater to end of the credits, it was all absolutely amazing. I think my favourite part has got to be when Sada says “Please. Defeat me”, then transitions to this amazing song.
Also, Celestial is definitely getting added to my playlist. I think it was a perfect end credits song for this game, I can’t really describe how I felt, but it definitely felt.
0:24 one of the BEST beat drops in Pokémon history
The drop makes me think a moment in "history" where a meteorite is about to hit. With the drop all the intensity of it hitting. Letting you know how serious this battle is.
And i love it. ❤️
I just got the chills when it first starts!!!
Got to agree with you, best beat drop in Pokémon history.
That’s Toby Fox for ya
@@xer0theher0john egbert rose lalonde ascend descend rise up abscond
@@connergoessupersonicI can feel Antony going “okay we gotta”
The song of overcoming great fear and trauma to come to the aid of those you care for.
Thank you, Koraidon.
And Moridon
that would be the theme that plays after this one - the paradise protection protocol
Koraidon is a fucking trooper I tell ya
Personally, I saw them both as gluttonous sandwich gobblers.
@@joshcoy6748 adorable sandwich gobbling bike friends trying to overcome trauma who just want a hug from the Eevee lover
My Miraidon lived on 1 HP like a mad lad and killed from over half after Terastalising
I guess it is engineered like that but it felt cool when I got the outspeed and KO after surviving 3 turns on 1HP
the last stretch of this game’s story truly was something special. nothing in pokemon has ever sent chills down my spine like sada asking me to defeat her before going berserk
Pardon the rant ahead, ahem:
I’ll admit I’m very new to Pokemon. I only played White in my childhood, and I didn’t even finish it cuz I had to sell my DS (curse you bad eyesight!).
I tried to get back into the series through Pokemon Sword, but was left pretty disappointed. I waited to play Violet til recently cuz of that, + the bugs that ran rampant at the games release. I finally got around to playing it. I’m happy to admit I had such a blast with the whole game…
But this? This was a PERFECT final fight. An amazing story building up to it, amazing visuals and atmosphere, amazing music (bless you Toby Fox), and a refreshingly challenging fight following my mind numbingly boring experience with Sword lol.
Oh, and I can’t forget the hardest, most raw line in the entire game that had me shouting in a discord call with my friend during the fight.
“Please. Defeat Me.”
I’ll absolutely be keeping up with the Pokemon series from here on out. The game overall won be over, but I was so blown away by this fight it single-handedly made me dedicated to continuing to get into this series.
For me, the climax of the Turo fight was spectacular.
It was down to my Meowscarada, Elaine, versus his Iron Valiant. I only ever Terastalize my Pokemon on the last opponent, as a means of closing out the battle with a bang. So, I Terastalized Elaine. Now, I know what you're thinking: "A Grass/Dark Meowscarada going up against a Fairy/Fighting Iron Valiant? There's no way this ends well." That's what I was expecting, too, honestly. My thought process was for Elaine to use a Tera boosted Flower Trick to take it out in one strike-if it didn't, she was in trouble. Well, the Flower Trick took off a huge chunk of Iron Valiant's health, but it didn't go down. Then, it used Spirit Break. I thought to myself, "We're doomed." But, not only did it only take off half of Elaine's health, but it wasn't a super effective hit! I completely forgot that, when a dual type Pokemon Terastalizes, it becomes mono type, and Elaine's Tera type is Grass! After that, Elaine threw out a second Flower Trick, and it was over-we won.
It's moments like this-truly incredible, unforgettable moments-that are why I play video games, and why I love Pokemon so Arceus-damn much.
You know this is awfully similar to how it went down but with a lot of key differences when i fought turo ok so when fought turo again by the time he sent out his iron valiant I only had 3 Pokémon My Cetitan name icicle was killed by spirt break than all I had left was My Quaxquavel named Donald at full Hp and my Haxorus called Chope with 20 hp left of course chope wouldn't have survived a sprit break and all my other Pokémon would of most likely died to IV because it's has really high speed so I sent out Donald IV was faster than it did a sprit break with Donald being part fighting it was super effective but Donald survived with 1 HP and finished it off with a wave crash Donald fainted of course that moment with the epic music in the background was so awesome
Donald literally took one for the team
The same thing happened when I terastalized my Lucario into a mono-Fighting type against Sada's Slither Wing. It was going for Earth Power, which took down my half health Lucario into the red, while my Pokémon responded with Aura Sphere (I didn't know its typing so it wasn't super effective). And my Lucario had an Assault Vest on, so it really could have been K.O'd at that moment.
We all loved these two ever since their reveal, but we never even really knew the real Sada and Turo… and judging by their research notes, it’s probably a good thing we didn’t.
I love, though, that their robot versions, after all those years of contemplating where it all went wrong, turned out to be much better people than their human counterparts ever could have been. _They_ truly deserved the treasure they found in the end.
Another salt to the wound is that (iirc) the AI can only be powered on within the Area Zero's limits, so wherever they went to the past/future (if they ever did) they probably got shut down.
@@xxzmaster04xx29 Well, Area Zero was there in the past and it’ll be there in the future, so even if they’re confined to it, I’d say they’ve still got Terastal power for eons.
@@Dreigonix true. If we assume that the AI works by passively draining energy from its surroundings, similar to the Terastal Orb, but drawing the power from the Crystals in there. I'm still worried, but let's hope for the best.
Since how long has those crystals and the Pokémon that created them been in Area Zero? The amount of crystals for now is increasing fast, for now. Maybe their "lifetime" isn't eternal or is volatile. Will Paldea eventually take over the Crater and mine the crystals, ore, and sap. Who knows.
@@xxzmaster04xx29I reckon there were probably MORE crystals in Sada’s era (mining for Tera Orbs) and if not in Turo’s future, some civilization technologically advanced enough to fix him.
Personally, though- I see the Professor flying through the machine as an allegory for both halves of them finally being brought to peace, passing on- you can’t tell me the Prof flying into the Time Machine didn’t look like an angel ascending to heaven, intentional or not.
Hell even Penny tells Arven “I’m sure they’re having a great adventure of their own now” which rings nearly-identically to “I’m sure they’re in a better place now.”
@@xxzmaster04xx29I was worried about that but the DLC shows us that being exposed to high amounts of tera energy--just like they were when the Protocol took over--keeps your tera orb constantly charged. So they'll be powered on at least.
Thank you for not spoilering with thumbnail, so my friends will have as much fun as I had.
Many youtubers should learn from you.
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They really should
*cough ProfasiaGaming cough*
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This didnt last long
Toby Fox really went from your average guy, to someone who made a Kickstarter for a silly retro-looking pixel game about underground monsters and determination and skeletons, to the man who created one of the strongest, most devoted fandoms with a massive modding and fan created media community, to renowned indie music composer, TO NOW COMPOSING FOR THE LARGEST VIDEO GAME FRANCHISE
FUCK YES TOBY
FUCK YES
"Sada, don't tell me you actually did it."
Clavell states this after the talk to Sada in the academy. This suggests that he knew about the time machine. Furthermore, it suggests he hasn't been in contact as he knows not of his death. It also relates to his deep bondage with Sada, as they used to be classmates.
I wrote an essay about it...
They weren't classmates I think, just partners in work.
@@jeanduresau yep cause the dude is literally getting Grey hair but it might be true since s/t did die in the research station 4 but we don't know how long ago.
Director Clavell is talking about Sada/Turo's youth in postgame and reminded Arven of how much potential they had. I think he might have been a teacher or at least someone that saw the professors as students at school. Maybe the professors looked up to Clavell. They feel like good friends that used to be in a student-teacher relation
@@BlitzoTheOgThrough context clues we can assume it was right before the start of the game, as we see our paradox dragon fleeing area zero. On the final stage of the game, we're told the real professor tanked a hit for our dragon from the other one after a territorial dispute, which prompted them to flee. We see our dragon is injured at the start of the game when we give them the sandwich. Sada or turo haven't been dead long.
Just defeated AI Sada today and man. As much issues as I have with Scarlet and Violet's technical aspects, the story was surprising in how engaging it was for the most part. The Area Zero segment was the culmination of why I love playing Pokemon. The discovery, the tragic and disturbing bits of lore, the incredible climactic music, it all came together here. I just wish there wasn't as much performance issues as there was. But other than that, what an incredible experience.
And even moreso, I think we have the title for one of the best final boss themes in the series along with the N and Volo battle themes. Toby truly outdid his previous efforts and it's incredible to see how far he's come.
Best ending and story since gen 5, finaly an interesting plot with cool lore and rivals
I like Gen 5's story throughout better, but Area Zero here? GOD TIER. I get that the rest of Paldea couldn't be as interesting and mysterious, but man, I wish the adventure there didn't end.
I also love that Nemona's basically ADHD.
@@excalibur493 I actually liked most of the general plots, so for me it does beat gen 5 by having more variety and even more characters with different but understandable motivations, but mainly due to you being proactive as to why everyone grows, rather than being reactive and just accepting their challenges
@@excalibur493 Arven's one parental figure dies:
Nemona: AlRiGhT gAnG lEt'S gO gEt SnAcKs
I mean I liked sun and moon’s story, but this one is cool too.
@@sirsheep8011 you know, the fun thing is that that's not so far from what happened when my mother died.
I watched yugioh abridged with my bf XD
I only noticed now (after listening to this banger for so many times), that 2:03 has the original leimotif, which you can hear repeating itself as a sort of echo on the timestamp, but you can even hear it repeating beneath the main beat after managing to distinguish it just once, and it's a genuine good detail