I'm fairly new to woodworking and am glad I started with Japanese saws. The decision was pure monetary but now I couldn't imagine using traditional saws.
Hey K-M! Another winning vid! Deciding to try them, I started out with a ryoba to see if reality met the hype, and I came away impressed. I find many elements of Japanese philosophy in approaching woodworking tools and techniques to be a fascinating contrast to traditional European methods and sometimes superior (IMO). So, I now have a set of Japanese saws that complement their European brethren. Being an engineer and after ~30 years of “serious” amateur woodworking, I can easily say that this field is one where you can continually grow your skills and expand your horizons. (Like golf, but not frustrating!!) I’m now delving into hand cutting dovetails, much to the chagrin of my old Leigh jig, and I just ordered your 6:1 and 8:1 jigs. Many thanks!!
At the end of 18 holes you have nothing but sore feet, a bruised ego, and frustration lol. At least with woodwork you either have a nice item such as a box or a piece of furniture or you have a camp fire lol. I’ll take woodwork over golf any day. S’mores anyone?! lol
I’m really new to woodworking and, as I think many people do, I went out and bought several western saws. After watching lots (and I mean lots) of UA-cam videos when I realised I needed a flush saw I went Japanese. I took to it like a duck to water, and maybe because I didn’t have the best technique with Western saws I actually found it easier to use. I will definitely be getting more as I need different or new saws.
luv these tutorials especially this one, i have seen many you-tubers use various types of Japanese saws and as a newbie that i am at dovetails and trying to find the right saw to use, this video explains it for me cheers bud 👍🏻
Before watching this video I felt I had a good understanding of Japanese saws. This videos was extremely informative and I learned so much! Thanks Jonathon!!
Excellent video Jonathan, I have been using the Ryobi and dovetail saws for a few years now, lasted me ages. However I blew 1/4 of my dovetail saw yesterday cutting off a dowel pin! Gah. You explained and showed other types of saws I did not know about, the flush cut and Dozuki... ordered! Nice techniques, using these already but one always learn more from a master! Thank you.
I've watched a good few videos on making dovetail joints, and I am wondering how many people have done the same, and then gone ahead and bought a Japanese saw? ANY Japanese saw? Because I think you are the only person who guided us towards an appropriate choice. Looking through the comments, I see people from all over the world who are benefiting from your help and guidance, and that is very cool. I'm a retired engineer living in New Zealand, and I am discovering the joy of working with wood. I have one of your guides on its way, and have ordered what appears to be the right Japanese saw for cutting dovetails, and you can bet I am excited to try them out.
Well, I was looking for a basic overview of Japanese pull saws and this video gave me what I needed to know. Great presentation. Thank you kindly! Peace.
I have the small saw in there that you didn't show (next to the folding one), and it's the best I've ever had. Small, and incredibly durable. Been using it for plywood and chipboard to some amount, and it's still almost as good as new. No missing teeth.
Thanks for making such a great video on Japanese saws. I've been using them for a few months now and really enjoy them. There isn't many videos on UA-cam about how to use them, as they can be a challange at times. I recently cut some dovetails in sapele with a dozuki without a jig and found it to be a bit difficult, but I managed and they turned out great. I also learned to make long rip cuts that one should be standing above the work piece in order to control the tracking. It took me a while to figure that out, but that's how they are meant to be used. The japanese saw horses are very low to the ground fr a reason. Thanks again, great video. I look forward to more, Cheers
It’s my birthday today, Jonathan (I’m 39 years old) and I’m currently waiting for my presents to arrive from the good ol’ US of A; the Katz-Moses 8:1 guide and the alignment board (I couldn’t resist it). I live in the UK, so it may be a while yet, but I can’t wait to try them out. I’m also about to pull the trigger on ordering a Japanese dovetail saw, but sadly, I can’t get the Suizan brand over here in the UK, so it’ll have to be another brand I can get. As a random thing, for my birthday (shows how sad I am), I went to a timber yard with my Wife to look at buying some hardwood to be ready and waiting for my dovetail guide to arrive. I know, I’m such a party animal!😂 I’ll send you some images when I get the chance to use it. I don’t have a vice at the moment, so I’m going to have to come with some way of getting around that 🤔
I have no idea how anyone can prefer a standard saw. Ever since I've experienced the bind-free beauty of cutting on the pull-stroke, there's no going back for me.
I bought a cheap one from Harbor Freight just to try it out and I love it. I'll hopefully be adding to my collection soon with some higher quality saws.
I only have their 7 inch Ryoba at the moment, but I just ordered your dovetail jig so that I can crosscut more effectively. I can't wait to add the Dozuki and Kataba to my line-up someday!
Wow! Very nice video, as always. Is super informative. Now I know which saw I should use depending on what I want to do. Thanks a lot for another great video!!!
Thanks to you I am finally becoming more serious with the cuts I make for my artwork chassis'. I used to use a standard Craftsman miter saw but I doubt i've made one cut in all my years of using it that are as nice as those blades. Definitely making the switch. THANKS!
I finally got wise to this saw mess, bought some old saws Disston and Atkins , ordered files saw set,. watched multitude of video on sharpening. ruined one saw learning technique. wore out files fixing my other screw ups, dam near went blind , spent a ton of time. Also got a Disston d4 10" on ebay that the plate and back were so bad that it was ruined, so bought a plate and back , drill bit. Turned out that saws need tuning to make really sing and got frustrated. So I got out a Ryoba I bought years ago, practiced with it and can saw very good now, don't even really need knife line anymore. What a journey, so for now on I will stick primarily with my Japanese saw collection , which cost the same as one fairly decent western saw and keep spare blades and still be way ahead and no more time and frustration on fancy western saws. Recently ordered a Japanese hand plane and will give that a try too, but they will have to pry the Stanleys out of my dead hands for the moment.
Nice video! Thanks. I love using Japanese handsaws. I've been using my ryoba for general purpose carpentry, cutting plywood and OSB without any issues.
I bought a saw that I wanted to use for Dovetails at the big box store, which wasn't much cheaper than these. Once I added in the cost of buying a set of micro-files so I could sharpen the teeth and all the work I did to make it cut, it actually came out considerably more expensive than the saws you've linked. I like having a Western-style handle, but I think I"ll get a set of the Japanese saws and practice. Thanks for the Overview! I have one Japanese-style saw that I love, I just assumed they woudl be more expensive to buy quality ones.
Matching the reflection for a true cut. Using unpolished Western saws all my life, I never heard of that genius technique, even on other videos about Japanese saws.
Certainly an improvement. But actually pronounced as two syllables, "ryo-ba" with the "o" sound elongated, like "ryohba". As in "ryoh" = both , "ba" = teethed. Translated it simply means "double-toothed saw" or "doubled saw", or if you like, a two-for-one saw.
Another benefit I can see is the same reason that you pull on a wrench, ratchet, pliers, etc to loosen a bolt, nut, or whatever. You have more control when you pull towards you than you do when you are pushing away from you. As an automotive technician that means less busted knuckles, in woodworking it means you'll probably have a straighter cut because you're able to control the direction of the saw better.
A benefit that I like is the quieter sawing...thinner blade = less noise. That makes quite a bit of difference for me and my in-apartment workshop (it's actually a laundry closet lol).
And the other reason why you like the Suizan saws is because they are sold on Amazon. Which you can order and have at your front door in two days. I know. I have a few Suizan saws as well. WHICH work great with your dovetail jigs. 😎
Yeah and get a new blade in day and not break the bank. Probably less then shipping to send one a western for sharpening and wait for it to be returned. I go by what WorthEffort say in his videos on Western saw, they all cut great until you sharpen them,he doesn't even do it, but can apparently.. You better know what your doing. I would rather spend my time doing something else.
You don't have to explain having multiples, especially with imported tools... I keep a stock of Vessel 300mm JIS #2 recess head screwdriver bits so that I am never without one. I think the most notable feature of Japanese tools is that, culturally, the Japanese are process-oriented, and they design their tools to be pleasurable to use. Thank you for the fantastic video; I am waiting for a Kataba to arrive to cut some burls!
Jonathan, if you finish your cut with the handle up and blade down, if you hit the bench it is the end part of the blade that hits, not the teeth. Not sure if that’s good form, gut it’s saved me a few times.
Just an FYI, the crosscut teeth are sharpened at an angle to cut across the fibers like a knife. The rip teeth are sharpened perpendicular to be like chisels and carve out the fibers. Had nothing to do with more or less teeth and amount of work.
For sure I will be, just as soon as the budget allows. I'm looking at about $50-$70 Australian for just one saw. We get ripped off here. I want your dovetail guide too but after conversion and shipping it burns the pocket. Eventually.
Man this is an awesome video! Thanks for all the info. I've been looking at getting a pull saw here in the next month, along with your sweet jig. Definitely a helpful video!
Years ago I bought a couple of these saws at a yard sale but had no idea what their intended use was (way before internet) so I used them for everything and anything. Kind of like the guy who gets under the kitchen sink and pulls out his leatherman lol
I picked up a cheap Irwin pull saw a while back. I have no idea if it's comparable to Japanese blades, but it's enough to know I'll probably never go back to standard western saws.
I know it's not the same before anyone tells me but I've been making them for years as a hobby . Loads of people carpenters including have my saws . I don't make money out of it because they supply the saw and the wood for the handle but to put it in simple terms I take the handles off ordinary jack saws and turn I around . There's a bit more to it than that but it's basically it
I use japanese saws all the time and I have never broken any of my saws teeth. The main reason why saw teeth break of is you apply to much force or cut way to aggressively.
The flat spot holy shit dude... I can turn a pine 2×4 into $200 But, that blew my mind and not something I could of came to knowing without being told. I will have no reason not to hit that subscribe. Thank you.
great video.I really like my japanese saws too and had no idea I shouldn't use them on plywood. I'll need to find another option my baltic birch plywood now. A good reason to buy more tools.
Jonathan have you have cut dovetails with out a Katz dovetail guide, David Barron in UK said cutting dovetail s with out a guide is not easy nice saws you sold me very nice.
Very nice vid! I just ordered my first Japanese dovetail saw (6" blade) just like yours but couldn't see exactly what is the depth of cut on that saw...would you be able to tell me how wide it is?
I prefer the pull cut as well, but I really only use mine to trim off the tenon for my turnings. The thin blades with no back can reach a wide bottomed bowl or platter much better.
Jonathan, I bought a Harbor Freight Japanese pull saw a while back and really like it. I do have an issue though it seems to take longer than expected to saw something especially after watching your video ok n Japese saws. The reason I like it is I can use it in my living room without making a b I g mess. I need an all around cross cut and a rip saw in one blade and not expensive. What do you recommend?
Hello Jonathon. i am a Japanese saw fan, too, but I own, so far, the smaller size handles and blades without the rib, as i use them to split branches lengthways to make flutes. Do you have a video on your channel that shows how to change the old blade for a replacement blade, please? thank you for sharing your knowledge and insights. My husband also loves the more sturdy Japanese pull saws, so I will mention this channel to him :D
I'm a little surprised that nobody's introduced (at least that I can find) pull saws with a western style handle. The straight handle on Japanese saws is less comfortable (IMO), but cutting on the pull stroke is great. Why not combine them?
I find the japanese handles allow me to have a much more range of motion or angle when cutting. Like I can hold and cut when looking directly over the top of my piece. where as western handles are more contoured and ergonomic but dont allow much range, more parallel.
It's worth pointing out that Harbor Freight sells something like the "hybrid" with a handle more western-ish... It's not the traditional western style handle, quite... but Rex Kreuger has something like it... I think he calls it the "bear-cat" or something similar on his channel. My own was bought YEARS ago... and I can't even recall the original company name or anything... It's just a bright orange handle with an almost "pistol grip" curve... a little synthetic, but the feel is really nice in your hand... and it cuts like nothing in its size... ;o)
AND (update) just today, I happened on a "liquidation"... A kind of garage sale when a shop or business clears out their building. Picked up a few Vaughan Bear-Saws... with replaceable blades, and a COUPLE of their line has the "pistol grip"... So... I'd say "shop around" those things are DEFINITELY out there. ;o)
Great video. I am afraid to get started on Japanese Pull Saws; my tool purchasing adiction is becoming something I need to find a 12 step group for...cheers...rr from Normandy
Another excellent and helpful video. I’ve been using Japanese saws since the 1970s. I’ll have to try the dovetail saw because mine finally needs to be replaced.
🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:01 *🇯🇵 Introduction to Japanese Pull Saws* - Advantages of Japanese pull saws over Western push saws, - Thin blades lead to smaller kerfs and less noticeable mistakes. 00:18 *⚖️ Comparison of Japanese and Western Saws* - Japanese saws have higher backs allowing deeper cuts, - Greater efficiency and precision in cutting tasks. 01:27 *🪚 Types of Japanese Saws and Their Uses* - Focus on different saw types including Ryo-bo, Kataba, and dovetail saws, - Specialized saws for different woodworking tasks. 02:23 *🔄 Blade Replacement and Cost-Effectiveness* - Easy blade replacement increases saws' longevity, - Cost-effective compared to Western counterparts. 03:19 *🛠️ Using Japanese Saws for Various Cuts* - Explanation of dual-tooth configuration for crosscut and rip cuts, - Technique for starting and maintaining straight cuts. 06:21 *✂️ Overview of Dovetail Saws* - Dovetail saw sizes and thicknesses for different types of cuts, - Techniques for achieving precise dovetail cuts. 10:46 *🏞️ Catawba and Flush Trim Saws* - Aggressive teeth of the Catawba saw for rough dimensioning, - Use of flush trim saws for smooth, scratch-free cuts. Made with HARPA AI
I'm gonna have to buy a cheap one locally and try it. Started a project for a Xmas gift and realized it's not easy to cut dovetails with a 24" back saw.
Is there any drawbacks to the folding Dozuki compaired to the regular one other than the extra price? I am considering getting that one primarily because I feel that the fact that it can fold means it will be much easier to store and transport, and I feel that that is worth the extra money.
Hi Jonathan, thanks for the quality content 👍🏼. Do you think you can use ryoba saws for dovetails if on a budget and just want to start with 1 Japanese style saw?
i want to ask you...if you have a ryoba,why do you need a kataba for?they have ryoba with agressive teath patern.does it perform different than the ryoba?or what is it?
This might be a dumb question but I have to ask lol. I was at my local news and cigar store looking at all the woodwork magazines trying to choose one to subscribe to and couldn’t make up my mind on which one. So, yes I’m asking you lol. Can you recommend one for us newbies lol. There’s so many I can’t pick one. Thank you
Katz-Moses Woodworking Shop Cool Beans thank you Of course I think my first project is to build a workbench of some sort. I have my regular up against the wall typical garage bench so I might make a scaled down version just to use while I hone my skills. Then when I feel up to the challenge I’ll build a full size proper bench and go from there. Thank you for the great videos. You do a wonderful job on them demystifying the world of woodworking. So many times I watch as you explain and when you’re done I say to myself well that makes sense lol See you next video Cheers mate and happy trails
I notice you start from the near edge when you cross cut. I think I get a straighter cut when I start from the far edge because the blade is so flexible. I have to blow the sawdust away to keep an eye on the mark. I just wonder if the correct technique is to start on the far edge or the near edge?
Nope. Wrong は！ See below. Thought you might be interested to know that the word ryo in Japanese means both or two. (It’s also pronounced as a single syllable sounding more like “row” or maybe a little like “Rio”, but definitely not “rye-oh”.) The word “ha” literally means tooth. So ryo-ha (pronounced ryoba) means teeth on both sides. “Kata” means one-side, so kataba has teeth on only one side. And “oru” means to bend or break, so Olfa knives (oru-ha) have breakable teeth to create a new cutting edge. Another great tool for the shop.
I bought cheap ryoba from Lidl few years ago , and I'm cutting with it pretty much everything everyday. I wanted upgrade my shop so I bought expensive kataba and small dozuki. And dozuki is nice , does the job for me pretty well, but I'm very disappointed with kataba. I can't really make a straight cut with it 😭 What is wrong with me? Why I can't cut straight board , make the straight cut ? Such a disappointment 😔 I really wanted to have something decent that I will be using all the time , instead I bought myself nice decoration for the wall 😕 I should just get good quality ryoba instead as I'm very familiar with it already. Which one would you recommend foldable one or normal? Ryoba does nice quick cross cuts , I think because is thicker that's why I can control it better. Hmmm such a shame.
They may be cheap upfront, but I'm hard pressed to go full in to Eastern saws when I have to replace the blades and within 3 blades being replaced I could have bought a really nice western saw and just resharpened teeth when needed
i was just wondering,, when i got sick and stuck in the hospital all my western style hand tools grew legs and walked off,, so i have to start over.. because of my heart i,m not able to do the big machines but i am able to use hand tools,, the japanese style looks a lot easier to use,, that is why i was asking,,, thank you for the videos and keep them comming
If you don't want to get out an extension cord for a circular saw, just get a cordless circular saw. The Makita rear handle cordless circular saw is great.
Most 7-1/2" circular saws can cut over 2” deep. If it is a personal preference thing then do as you wish. I personally prefer to do my cuts as quick and efficiently as possible. For one or two cuts I can see using a hand saw, but for more than that I couldn't imagine it.
Man I love it when I find a new channel that looks this good...
Welcome my friend!
Thanks!... Anyone who likes a Japanese saw that much has to be an ok dude.. looking forward to watching the rest of your vids
I’m a chef and a woodworker... let’s talk about blades and handles all day!!
Me too!!!
I'm fairly new to woodworking and am glad I started with Japanese saws. The decision was pure monetary but now I couldn't imagine using traditional saws.
My Japanese saws are my favourite tools I own hands down.
Hey K-M! Another winning vid! Deciding to try them, I started out with a ryoba to see if reality met the hype, and I came away impressed. I find many elements of Japanese philosophy in approaching woodworking tools and techniques to be a fascinating contrast to traditional European methods and sometimes superior (IMO). So, I now have a set of Japanese saws that complement their European brethren. Being an engineer and after ~30 years of “serious” amateur woodworking, I can easily say that this field is one where you can continually grow your skills and expand your horizons. (Like golf, but not frustrating!!) I’m now delving into hand cutting dovetails, much to the chagrin of my old Leigh jig, and I just ordered your 6:1 and 8:1 jigs. Many thanks!!
Hahaha the golf line!
At the end of 18 holes you have nothing but sore feet, a bruised ego, and frustration lol. At least with woodwork you either have a nice item such as a box or a piece of furniture or you have a camp fire lol. I’ll take woodwork over golf any day. S’mores anyone?! lol
I’m really new to woodworking and, as I think many people do, I went out and bought several western saws. After watching lots (and I mean lots) of UA-cam videos when I realised I needed a flush saw I went Japanese. I took to it like a duck to water, and maybe because I didn’t have the best technique with Western saws I actually found it easier to use. I will definitely be getting more as I need different or new saws.
Same for me, as a beginner to this, the Japanese saw made the cutting a lot easier.
The thing I love about Japanese saws is that they finish a cut like they were actually designed to do so.
luv these tutorials especially this one, i have seen many you-tubers use various types of Japanese saws and as a newbie that i am at dovetails and trying to find the right saw to use, this video explains it for me cheers bud 👍🏻
Cheers bud!
Before watching this video I felt I had a good understanding of Japanese saws. This videos was extremely informative and I learned so much! Thanks Jonathon!!
My pleasure JT!
This is a great series. Some good practical tips and info for someone like myself who is just getting started
Means a lot. Thank you
Great video . Had my Japanese saw for over 15 years. Now I will use it more often.
Excellent video Jonathan, I have been using the Ryobi and dovetail saws for a few years now, lasted me ages. However I blew 1/4 of my dovetail saw yesterday cutting off a dowel pin! Gah. You explained and showed other types of saws I did not know about, the flush cut and Dozuki... ordered! Nice techniques, using these already but one always learn more from a master! Thank you.
I've watched a good few videos on making dovetail joints, and I am wondering how many people have done the same, and then gone ahead and bought a Japanese saw? ANY Japanese saw? Because I think you are the only person who guided us towards an appropriate choice. Looking through the comments, I see people from all over the world who are benefiting from your help and guidance, and that is very cool. I'm a retired engineer living in New Zealand, and I am discovering the joy of working with wood. I have one of your guides on its way, and have ordered what appears to be the right Japanese saw for cutting dovetails, and you can bet I am excited to try them out.
Truly appreciate it bud!
Well, I was looking for a basic overview of Japanese pull saws and this video gave me what I needed to know. Great presentation. Thank you kindly! Peace.
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find a partner who looks at you the same way katz-moses looks at his japanese flush-cut woodworking saw
I have the small saw in there that you didn't show (next to the folding one), and it's the best I've ever had. Small, and incredibly durable. Been using it for plywood and chipboard to some amount, and it's still almost as good as new. No missing teeth.
These Japanese saws are new to me and I knew very little about them so thank you for the information!
My pleasure Grant
Thanks for making such a great video on Japanese saws. I've been using them for a few months now and really enjoy them. There isn't many videos on UA-cam about how to use them, as they can be a challange at times. I recently cut some dovetails in sapele with a dozuki without a jig and found it to be a bit difficult, but I managed and they turned out great. I also learned to make long rip cuts that one should be standing above the work piece in order to control the tracking. It took me a while to figure that out, but that's how they are meant to be used. The japanese saw horses are very low to the ground fr a reason.
Thanks again, great video. I look forward to more,
Cheers
Those are all good points my friend and thank you!
I got my first saw just to try it and to tell you the truth I use it for everything. Great saws and great for the money. Gonna get a few more.
That's great to hear bud!
It’s my birthday today, Jonathan (I’m 39 years old) and I’m currently waiting for my presents to arrive from the good ol’ US of A; the Katz-Moses 8:1 guide and the alignment board (I couldn’t resist it). I live in the UK, so it may be a while yet, but I can’t wait to try them out.
I’m also about to pull the trigger on ordering a Japanese dovetail saw, but sadly, I can’t get the Suizan brand over here in the UK, so it’ll have to be another brand I can get. As a random thing, for my birthday (shows how sad I am), I went to a timber yard with my Wife to look at buying some hardwood to be ready and waiting for my dovetail guide to arrive. I know, I’m such a party animal!😂
I’ll send you some images when I get the chance to use it. I don’t have a vice at the moment, so I’m going to have to come with some way of getting around that 🤔
Yes! I have had 3 Japanese saws for many years including a folding pruning saw.
I have no idea how anyone can prefer a standard saw. Ever since I've experienced the bind-free beauty of cutting on the pull-stroke, there's no going back for me.
Totally agree!
Indubitably
%100 agree
They're faster, sharpen in minutes, and are a one-time expense.
And they will literally cut as well as you want them to.
I bought a cheap one from Harbor Freight just to try it out and I love it. I'll hopefully be adding to my collection soon with some higher quality saws.
That's great bud! Happy woodworking Bobby
That folding ryoba is a great idea. Perfect for a tool bag
Agreed. I love it!
Second! Nice for me. I do love a good Japanese saw, so much that I use it over a power tool a lot of the time. Great video!
Totally agree!
Japanese saws are the way to go!
I bought 2 off your links. I hope you get a kickback!
Thanks for walking me through those cool saws.👍
I only have their 7 inch Ryoba at the moment, but I just ordered your dovetail jig so that I can crosscut more effectively. I can't wait to add the Dozuki and Kataba to my line-up someday!
Just ordered the 9.5 inch dozuki saw. Thanks for the great videos and the included links.
Thank you for explaining these saws. I cant wait to pick up a set.
Wow! Very nice video, as always.
Is super informative. Now I know which saw I should use depending on what I want to do.
Thanks a lot for another great video!!!
Thanks to you I am finally becoming more serious with the cuts I make for my artwork chassis'. I used to use a standard Craftsman miter saw but I doubt i've made one cut in all my years of using it that are as nice as those blades. Definitely making the switch. THANKS!
I finally got wise to this saw mess, bought some old saws Disston and Atkins , ordered files saw set,. watched multitude of video on sharpening. ruined one saw learning technique. wore out files fixing my other screw ups, dam near went blind , spent a ton of time. Also got a Disston d4 10" on ebay that the plate and back were so bad that it was ruined, so bought a plate and back , drill bit. Turned out that saws need tuning to make really sing and got frustrated. So I got out a Ryoba I bought years ago, practiced with it and can saw very good now, don't even really need knife line anymore. What a journey, so for now on I will stick primarily with my Japanese saw collection , which cost the same as one fairly decent western saw and keep spare blades and still be way ahead and no more time and frustration on fancy western saws. Recently ordered a Japanese hand plane and will give that a try too, but they will have to pry the Stanleys out of my dead hands for the moment.
This is really awesome, thanks for such nice video.
I used my set of these for the first time today, they are soo damn good!!
Awesome video, lots of great takeaways from this one! I learned a ton! Keep it up!
Thanks brother!
Nice video! Thanks. I love using Japanese handsaws. I've been using my ryoba for general purpose carpentry, cutting plywood and OSB without any issues.
Wow! Loads of info in this one JKM! Thanks for another awesome video!
DC in the place to be!
I bought a saw that I wanted to use for Dovetails at the big box store, which wasn't much cheaper than these. Once I added in the cost of buying a set of micro-files so I could sharpen the teeth and all the work I did to make it cut, it actually came out considerably more expensive than the saws you've linked. I like having a Western-style handle, but I think I"ll get a set of the Japanese saws and practice. Thanks for the Overview! I have one Japanese-style saw that I love, I just assumed they woudl be more expensive to buy quality ones.
So much more affordable than you would think! Happy woodworking a
Matching the reflection for a true cut. Using unpolished Western saws all my life, I never heard of that genius technique, even on other videos about Japanese saws.
Pronounced Ree-yo-Ba. Great enthusiasm and Knowledge.
Certainly an improvement. But actually pronounced as two syllables, "ryo-ba" with the "o" sound elongated, like "ryohba".
As in "ryoh" = both , "ba" = teethed. Translated it simply means "double-toothed saw" or "doubled saw", or if you like, a two-for-one saw.
I Enjoyed this video. Thank you!
Great vid as always, not ventured into japanese saws yet, looked but never sure which one to start with 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Another benefit I can see is the same reason that you pull on a wrench, ratchet, pliers, etc to loosen a bolt, nut, or whatever. You have more control when you pull towards you than you do when you are pushing away from you. As an automotive technician that means less busted knuckles, in woodworking it means you'll probably have a straighter cut because you're able to control the direction of the saw better.
Completely agree!
A benefit that I like is the quieter sawing...thinner blade = less noise. That makes quite a bit of difference for me and my in-apartment workshop (it's actually a laundry closet lol).
I have one of each of the saws myself. They work great.
So good!
Great video, very informative, thanks!
And the other reason why you like the Suizan saws is because they are sold on Amazon. Which you can order and have at your front door in two days. I know. I have a few Suizan saws as well. WHICH work great with your dovetail jigs. 😎
Hahahaha so true!
Yeah and get a new blade in day and not break the bank. Probably less then shipping to send one a western for sharpening and wait for it to be returned. I go by what WorthEffort say in his videos on Western saw, they all cut great until you sharpen them,he doesn't even do it, but can apparently.. You better know what your doing. I would rather spend my time doing something else.
Love it! Thanks. I use JS's too. I always appreciate when someone expresses their logic behind their choices.
Thanks Neil!
I chose these saws because the Japanese sales girl said to lol
You don't have to explain having multiples, especially with imported tools... I keep a stock of Vessel 300mm JIS #2 recess head screwdriver bits so that I am never without one. I think the most notable feature of Japanese tools is that, culturally, the Japanese are process-oriented, and they design their tools to be pleasurable to use. Thank you for the fantastic video; I am waiting for a Kataba to arrive to cut some burls!
Jonathan, if you finish your cut with the handle up and blade down, if you hit the bench it is the end part of the blade that hits, not the teeth. Not sure if that’s good form, gut it’s saved me a few times.
Just an FYI, the crosscut teeth are sharpened at an angle to cut across the fibers like a knife. The rip teeth are sharpened perpendicular to be like chisels and carve out the fibers. Had nothing to do with more or less teeth and amount of work.
I was watching this not realising it was new! Great vid, thanks Jonathan. I've been eyeing off some of the saws.
Get one they're awesome!
For sure I will be, just as soon as the budget allows. I'm looking at about $50-$70 Australian for just one saw. We get ripped off here. I want your dovetail guide too but after conversion and shipping it burns the pocket. Eventually.
Man this is an awesome video! Thanks for all the info. I've been looking at getting a pull saw here in the next month, along with your sweet jig. Definitely a helpful video!
Thanks bud!
Years ago I bought a couple of these saws at a yard sale but had no idea what their intended use was (way before internet) so I used them for everything and anything. Kind of like the guy who gets under the kitchen sink and pulls out his leatherman lol
I picked up a cheap Irwin pull saw a while back. I have no idea if it's comparable to Japanese blades, but it's enough to know I'll probably never go back to standard western saws.
It's a good start but when you pick up good japanese saw you'll be a happy man
If nothing else, the Japanese saws sing in a very satisfying note. It's the little things.
great info Jonathan
Great info
I know it's not the same before anyone tells me but I've been making them for years as a hobby . Loads of people carpenters including have my saws . I don't make money out of it because they supply the saw and the wood for the handle but to put it in simple terms I take the handles off ordinary jack saws and turn I around . There's a bit more to it than that but it's basically it
I use japanese saws all the time and I have never broken any of my saws teeth. The main reason why saw teeth break of is you apply to much force or cut way to aggressively.
Maarten Mägi or hit some fasteners in reclaimed wood lol
They look cool too
Love using my Japanese saws!
Agreed!
Cheers bud thanks for the awesome video.
This will replace my old american hand saw, of which i just busted the handle off...
So if Japanese saws aren't good for Ply or MDF, what would you recommend a western?
thank you Katz
The flat spot holy shit dude... I can turn a pine 2×4 into $200 But, that blew my mind and not something I could of came to knowing without being told. I will have no reason not to hit that subscribe. Thank you.
Welcome my friend!
great video.I really like my japanese saws too and had no idea I shouldn't use them on plywood. I'll need to find another option my baltic birch plywood now. A good reason to buy more tools.
I just use an old one or get a cheap one to use for plywood
More tools!!! WOOHOO!!!
There’s also a really great primer at FWW entitled “Choosing and Using Japanese Handsaws” that’s worth reading, I think.
Capt I what’s FWW please?
@@prepperjonpnw6482 Fine WoodWorking, I believe.
Jonathan have you have cut dovetails with out a Katz dovetail guide, David Barron in UK said cutting dovetail s with out a guide is not easy nice saws you sold me very nice.
Very nice vid! I just ordered my first Japanese dovetail saw (6" blade) just like yours but couldn't see exactly what is the depth of cut on that saw...would you be able to tell me how wide it is?
I prefer the pull cut as well, but I really only use mine to trim off the tenon for my turnings. The thin blades with no back can reach a wide bottomed bowl or platter much better.
Great point!
Nice!
I wish to have one of them
Nice collection 👍❤️✅😍
Jonathan, I bought a Harbor Freight Japanese pull saw a while back and really like it. I do have an issue though it seems to take longer than expected to saw something especially after watching your video ok n Japese saws. The reason I like it is I can use it in my living room without making a b I g mess.
I need an all around cross cut and a rip saw in one blade and not expensive. What do you recommend?
If I'm not mistaken most Ryoba saws have finer teeth near the base to make starting a cut easier
Hello Jonathon. i am a Japanese saw fan, too, but I own, so far, the smaller size handles and blades without the rib, as i use them to split branches lengthways to make flutes. Do you have a video on your channel that shows how to change the old blade for a replacement blade, please? thank you for sharing your knowledge and insights. My husband also loves the more sturdy Japanese pull saws, so I will mention this channel to him :D
Since I tried my first Ryoba (a cheap one, too) I've hardly ever used my Western saws. Even a klutz like me gets great cuts with Japanese saws.
I'm a little surprised that nobody's introduced (at least that I can find) pull saws with a western style handle. The straight handle on Japanese saws is less comfortable (IMO), but cutting on the pull stroke is great. Why not combine them?
I find the japanese handles allow me to have a much more range of motion or angle when cutting. Like I can hold and cut when looking directly over the top of my piece. where as western handles are more contoured and ergonomic but dont allow much range, more parallel.
It's worth pointing out that Harbor Freight sells something like the "hybrid" with a handle more western-ish... It's not the traditional western style handle, quite... but Rex Kreuger has something like it... I think he calls it the "bear-cat" or something similar on his channel.
My own was bought YEARS ago... and I can't even recall the original company name or anything... It's just a bright orange handle with an almost "pistol grip" curve... a little synthetic, but the feel is really nice in your hand... and it cuts like nothing in its size... ;o)
Z-saw has a pistol grip that was designed to allow a better grip when wearing gloves. Lee Valley sells a few of them or try EBay.
AND (update) just today, I happened on a "liquidation"... A kind of garage sale when a shop or business clears out their building.
Picked up a few Vaughan Bear-Saws... with replaceable blades, and a COUPLE of their line has the "pistol grip"... So... I'd say "shop around" those things are DEFINITELY out there. ;o)
Excellent haircut !!! 👍 Rabbi Z. from Chicago
I just need some curly sideburns hahaha ;-)
Great video. I am afraid to get started on Japanese Pull Saws; my tool purchasing adiction is becoming something I need to find a 12 step group for...cheers...rr from Normandy
Hahahaha me too! At least they're only 40 ish USD
Another excellent and helpful video. I’ve been using Japanese saws since the 1970s. I’ll have to try the dovetail saw because mine finally needs to be replaced.
New tools!
Great info, thank you!
My pleasure sir
🎯 Key points for quick navigation:
00:01 *🇯🇵 Introduction to Japanese Pull Saws*
- Advantages of Japanese pull saws over Western push saws,
- Thin blades lead to smaller kerfs and less noticeable mistakes.
00:18 *⚖️ Comparison of Japanese and Western Saws*
- Japanese saws have higher backs allowing deeper cuts,
- Greater efficiency and precision in cutting tasks.
01:27 *🪚 Types of Japanese Saws and Their Uses*
- Focus on different saw types including Ryo-bo, Kataba, and dovetail saws,
- Specialized saws for different woodworking tasks.
02:23 *🔄 Blade Replacement and Cost-Effectiveness*
- Easy blade replacement increases saws' longevity,
- Cost-effective compared to Western counterparts.
03:19 *🛠️ Using Japanese Saws for Various Cuts*
- Explanation of dual-tooth configuration for crosscut and rip cuts,
- Technique for starting and maintaining straight cuts.
06:21 *✂️ Overview of Dovetail Saws*
- Dovetail saw sizes and thicknesses for different types of cuts,
- Techniques for achieving precise dovetail cuts.
10:46 *🏞️ Catawba and Flush Trim Saws*
- Aggressive teeth of the Catawba saw for rough dimensioning,
- Use of flush trim saws for smooth, scratch-free cuts.
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I'm gonna have to buy a cheap one locally and try it. Started a project for a Xmas gift and realized it's not easy to cut dovetails with a 24" back saw.
Hahaha
Gotta use what you've got. I got them done, between that and a hacksaw😂
That’s why I have a Dremel tool with a bazillion bits lol
I like to do things by hand. But that's a good idea
Is there any drawbacks to the folding Dozuki compaired to the regular one other than the extra price? I am considering getting that one primarily because I feel that the fact that it can fold means it will be much easier to store and transport, and I feel that that is worth the extra money.
Hi Jonathan, thanks for the quality content 👍🏼. Do you think you can use ryoba saws for dovetails if on a budget and just want to start with 1 Japanese style saw?
i want to ask you...if you have a ryoba,why do you need a kataba for?they have ryoba with agressive teath patern.does it perform different than the ryoba?or what is it?
This might be a dumb question but I have to ask lol. I was at my local news and cigar store looking at all the woodwork magazines trying to choose one to subscribe to and couldn’t make up my mind on which one. So, yes I’m asking you lol. Can you recommend one for us newbies lol. There’s so many I can’t pick one. Thank you
Wood magazine is great!
Katz-Moses Woodworking Shop
Cool Beans thank you
Of course I think my first project is to build a workbench of some sort. I have my regular up against the wall typical garage bench so I might make a scaled down version just to use while I hone my skills. Then when I feel up to the challenge I’ll build a full size proper bench and go from there. Thank you for the great videos. You do a wonderful job on them demystifying the world of woodworking. So many times I watch as you explain and when you’re done I say to myself well that makes sense lol
See you next video
Cheers mate and happy trails
I notice you start from the near edge when you cross cut. I think I get a straighter cut when I start from the far edge because the blade is so flexible. I have to blow the sawdust away to keep an eye on the mark. I just wonder if the correct technique is to start on the far edge or the near edge?
Nope. Wrong は！ See below. Thought you might be interested to know that the word ryo in Japanese means both or two. (It’s also pronounced as a single syllable sounding more like “row” or maybe a little like “Rio”, but definitely not “rye-oh”.)
The word “ha” literally means tooth. So ryo-ha (pronounced ryoba) means teeth on both sides. “Kata” means one-side, so kataba has teeth on only one side.
And “oru” means to bend or break, so Olfa knives (oru-ha) have breakable teeth to create a new cutting edge. Another great tool for the shop.
Great info bud
So do you speak Japanese?
@@katzmosestools 両刃 double edge (blade, sword, saw, etc.).
Not ha 歯 tooth, ha 刃 edge.
@@prepperjonpnw6482 あの人は日本語が話さない。
I bought cheap ryoba from Lidl few years ago , and I'm cutting with it pretty much everything everyday. I wanted upgrade my shop so I bought expensive kataba and small dozuki. And dozuki is nice , does the job for me pretty well, but I'm very disappointed with kataba.
I can't really make a straight cut with it 😭
What is wrong with me? Why I can't cut straight board , make the straight cut ?
Such a disappointment 😔
I really wanted to have something decent that I will be using all the time , instead I bought myself nice decoration for the wall 😕
I should just get good quality ryoba instead as I'm very familiar with it already.
Which one would you recommend foldable one or normal?
Ryoba does nice quick cross cuts , I think because is thicker that's why I can control it better.
Hmmm such a shame.
I could use me some good japanese saw right now, I am chopping wood as we speak
Mmm yes... dovetail sauce
They may be cheap upfront, but I'm hard pressed to go full in to Eastern saws when I have to replace the blades and within 3 blades being replaced I could have bought a really nice western saw and just resharpened teeth when needed
You're cool dude
Would you recommend a Dozuki for cutting splines or can a ryoba work just as well?
are there any other hand tools from japan that you like ? or just the saws thank you for the video.. have a blessed and safe day
I have some files n chisels and a hand plane. The chisels and files are amazing. Haven't used the plane much
i was just wondering,, when i got sick and stuck in the hospital all my western style hand tools grew legs and walked off,, so i have to start over.. because of my heart i,m not able to do the big machines but i am able to use hand tools,, the japanese style looks a lot easier to use,, that is why i was asking,,, thank you for the videos and keep them comming
Nice !!! Thanks
Gracias!
I love my Gyokucho saws. I didn't know you shouldn't use them on MDF and plywood though, might need to stop doing that lol
Hahaha quickest way to loose teeth
Lee Valley sells a Gyokucho kataba saw that’s listed as a plywood saw, so might be worth checking out.
So which one do i use to resaw wood like a 4tpi western handsaw?
If you don't want to get out an extension cord for a circular saw, just get a cordless circular saw. The Makita rear handle cordless circular saw is great.
I have one but what's the fun in that? Plus they only cut 1.5"
Most 7-1/2" circular saws can cut over 2” deep. If it is a personal preference thing then do as you wish. I personally prefer to do my cuts as quick and efficiently as possible. For one or two cuts I can see using a hand saw, but for more than that I couldn't imagine it.
@@chengliu872 corded saws are 7.25 but battery operated are 6.5. Either way who cares. Go make something.
@@katzmosestools: Newer ones such as the aforementioned Makita one are 7-1/4". As you said though, who cares. Do whatever works for you.
Great video but do you know why I can't order it for France shiping???