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Framework Could Solve Our Printer Nightmares
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2024
- All printers suck, and HP printers are the worst of the bunch. Why? Because while they may be cheap up front, they come with serious limitations. If you have the nerve to try to use Ink made by a third party, HP will brick your printer under a bogus "it could have a virus" claim. The same goes for refilling cartridges. And subscriptions are quickly becoming a thing too.
Framework, the fantastic repairable laptop company took notice of the situation and seems to be asking on Twitter, "should we make a printer?" There's one clear answer to that...
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That business model would be quite challenging as there are existing loss-leading printers that will accept knockoff ink cartridges that a savvy consumer can take advantage of. Epson sell good 'unsubsidized' printers but the upfront cost of these does not seem to have mass appeal going off the amazon sales ranks.
It definitely would be challenging, for sure. There's no guarantee Framework would even try, of if they did that they would succeed.
But they weren't the first to make a repair-friendly laptop... and they came along and turned that idea into a real business model that's succeeding. Which gives them a healthy userbase that's willing to spend money on DIY-friendly tech products... gives them a leg-up as it were. So I hope they try!
A DIY/Customizable printer sounds appealing, but I wonder what the market for this is. Personally, while it would be cool, I haven't used a printer in years. If I need something printed, I pay the ~$0.10 to do it at Staples or a local print shop. If I need to scan something, I use a scanner app on my phone. Office/commerical settings still rely on them, but they have access to much higher quality machines that are often leased, contracts which include toner and maintenance.
Printers don't have near the market they once did.. but for a lot of people they're still a necessity. It's definitely a big question for sure.
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This was actually covered by Linus during one of the WAN Show podcasts from LTT. He actually raised the same idea to Framework and the explanation they gave was it might be difficult for them to penetrate the market by creating their own printer is because of the patents owned by already established printer brands. But I do hope some day they could find a way to produce one and I will definitely buy it in a heartbeat.
Just went and found that episode, doesn't sound like he raised the idea to Framework at all... just dismissed the concept out of hand because of patents.
I don't think the patents issue is as insurmountable as that though... anytime HP has tried to use its patents and the court to stifle competition, it has backfired pretty badly, either invalidating the patents or leading to Supreme Court decisions that made what HP was trying to do illegal.
Try and prevent new competition from forming, and you catch the government's eye ... and patents quickly fall into FRAND territory for ubiquitous necessary things like printers.
I have an older 3-in-1 HP Printer which is well before this Instant Ink saga. If Framework may be willing to step up to the plate that would be something!
Linus talked about this on a recent WAN show. A lot of patent technologies will make it really hard for them to make one. But there are ink tank printers. I use the Hp Ink tank 515, its been working great for 3 years. I use third party ink that costs me 2 $ for 100ml ink. If you just fork out more money initially, these ink tank / eco tank printers are the way to go.
Patents are an issue... but they can't be held to a point of preventing new competition from creating a necessary and common product. FRAND will come into play surely.
I've been using a 3rd party ink tank tank system for over 15 years.
Epson Eco-tank printers are *almost* there. The printers are expensive but the ink is cheap. The only thing they ding you on is the waste ink tank which you are not supposed to replace yourself and, if you do, you have to buy a third-party program to reset the internal counter.
Apart from that, I would say that it's a great printer. I have had mine since April 2020 and have printed almost 40K pages.
Oh yeah, Epson is definitely an improvement... though as you've pointed out, not perfect. Still, better than HP that's for sure.
Epson actually LAUNCHED the reboot tool online.
I was looking into what looked like a very good Epson printer, but people said there were problems getting it to work on Linux, which discouraged me.
Brother Ink Tank printers > Epson EcoTank printers
@@uiopuiop3472 I can’t comment, since I haven’t owned a Brother Ink Tank. I did see somewhere on UA-cam an owner complaining that the printer is essentially useless when the waste ink tank is filled.
Have you tried replacing the waste ink tank and resetting the printer counter yourself?
The only problem (I believe) there are a lot of patents that belong to other companies. Framework would need to license them.
Shouldn't be TOO difficult I don't think. A lot of patents are like to be FRAND, and there are just too many printer companies for it to be easy to prevent another from joining the fray. The few times a company like HP has tried to use patents to prevent competition has gone very poorly.
I don't think that there are so many more patents on printers themselves than on laptops. The patents are likely more on their bullshit tech to prevent 3rd party cartridges than actual printing tech.
They could probably build a dot matrix printer as most of those patents have expired by now
@@alexprach A DIY Nostalgia Printer 😅
HP should outright lose theirs with all the bullshit they've pulled.
Putting chips into an Ink Cartridge, thereby opening an attack vector, and then claiming 3rd Party ink cartridges might contain Viruses that harm a network?
A: Who the fuck was the IDIOT who thought an Ink Cartridge needed a chip.
And B: How the fuck did HP think this was a logical argument when THEY are the idiots who opened up an attack vector in the first fucking place?
honestly, if you're still buying inkjets in 2023 what's wrong w you? lasers have been cheap and reliable for a decade now, and toner doesn't go bad. do not buy anything ink, framework or not. edit: 2024 w/e lol
You're not thinking this through, laser is still pretty expensive compared to inkjet, but more importantly inkjet does a much better job with photos.. you get brighter sharper images printed out. If you mainly want to print documents and perhaps the occasional image, sure laser is great... but if you need to print images frequently, you don't laser.
@@anoraker I think frequently printing images is pretty unusual. and disagree, my laser is very sharp, I'm still using the toner it came with years later, and the printers can be had for far less than they used to be. I got a heavy duty office grade Ricoh wireless color laser for $65 on a Black Friday deal. it's been rock solid.
You're.. not everyone. Printing images isn't that unusual, whether it's photos you'd like, or imagery included in documents, etc. etc. Heck, I print images all the time. Laser printers are great for the right situation, but your situation doesn't apply to everyone. @@reanimationxp
Few domestic colour lasers are a match for photo realistic inkjets. If you're business is sending out customer artwork, you'd lose business if switcher to a laser.
Dye sub is also V expensive.
Inkjets especially for large format A0 are here to stay