Running Shoe & Training Talk - March 2024
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- My monthly series where I get into off-the-cuff running shoe nerdery, what I’m doing with my running currently and channel updates.
0:00 Intro
0:39 Channel updates
2:19 The Sagasu Running Podcast
3:23 Running/training updates
5:27 Social channel updates
6:19 Puma Velocity Nitro 3
8:18 Adidas Supernova Rise
10:24 Hoka Mach 6
12:39 Asics Metaspeed Edge Paris
14:42 Adidas Takumi Sen 10
16:45 Nike Alphafly 3
18:26 New Balance Rebel v4
20:49 Coming in April
22:32 Outro
The Sagasu Running Podcast: • Playlist
Running Shoe & Training Talk Playlist: • Running Shoe & Trainin...
Puma Velocity Nitro 3 - The perfect training partner? • Puma Velocity Nitro 3 ...
Adidas Supernova Rise - A different approach to the daily trainer • Adidas Supernova Rise ...
Hoka Mach 6 - Still a Hoka, but is a still a Mach? • Hoka Mach 6 - Still a ...
Asics Metaspeed Edge Paris - A better Metaspeed (finally!) • Asics Metaspeed Edge P...
Adidas Adizero Takumi Sen 10 - No longer the most niche running shoe • Adidas Adizero Takumi ...
Disclosures: No one is paying me to make this video and no one has any editorial control over the contents of this video. Everything I cover in this video is my own opinion and experience.
Product Images courtesy of Nike & New Balance.
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To answer your questions from the start, yes you are keeping us certainly engaged! Keep it up
Thank you. Thank you! 🙏🏻
Not missing much IMHO with the Alphafly 3 except a lot of money LOL. Agree that if you prefer any any Vaporfly then the AF3 is unlikely to change your mind. Well it didn't for me. Rebel v4 is an "odd" one. Out of the box the "standard" one is indeed probably the widest shoe I have ever tried that isn't "meant" to be and with a narrow foot that is rather off putting. That said the upper (with an awful lot of lace pulling) has now moulded to my midfoot well (like I also did with the VF3) and just back from 10 steady miles in them and TBH kind of warming on me. That said despite being very light it is far from a "super" shoe. Perhaps I am less warming to the Mach 6 which "in theory" ought to be fit my narrow foot better but it's a typical "odd" Hoka fit and the foam am not finding that great. Look forward to hearing what you think about the Speed 4 and Pro 4. Need convincing I "need" Pro 4 although have had the previous 3.
I know, I know. I’m more curious to run in the AF3 at this point. I also would like to compare it to the low plate configuration super shoes and see if what I think works for me, works. I do have the AF1 and AF2 I could do that with… anyway, it’s not urgent anymore. Once I can get a pair I will. I’m more frustrated with Nike overall.
The NBv4… I want to get a pair to run in and see if my initial impressions were right. I loved the Rebel v1 & 2… I wanted to love the 4.
I’m actually surprised you aren’t getting on with the Mach 6 better. It’s definitely a Hoka… I’m reminded of it everytime I put the shoe on. I really forgot what that all meant over the years. It’s been a refresher.
First run done in the Speed 4… mixed opinions but overall positive. The Pro 4 will come out later in the week for me…
Correct.. Many reviews are negative on the Alphafly V3.. Vaporfly V3 etc Everyone loves the Paris.
I’d say AF3 reviews are mixed… if anything they go slightly negative… but the Metaspeed Paris series is beloved…
Metaspeed Paris = 💪💪💪
@Tony-em4cb Agree. For sure
love this random content and just speak your mind...save my boring drive
I’m glad it was time well spent… 🤙🏻
Been on your channel since the early days. Happy to see the growth of your channel. Here’s to more subscribers! Cheers
Thank you for sticking around. Happy to have you here! 🤙🏻
Been with your channel for a while now. Absolutely love your in depth look into running shoes and the thinking around it.
Thank you for the support! I’m glad my content has value for you. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning keep doing what you're doing! You have a very unique perspective on the running sneaker game and we see it 👀
@@gabesalvador 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Another great video and transparency around where the channel is headed. I’ve been Subscribed since the early days (somewhere around 500-700 Subs). The information deep dives keep me coming back to view some videos (Adidas and ASICS mostly) multiple times. Also, I love that the podcast is coming back. The podcast gives unique take on the sport we enjoy and is a joy to listen to.
I am still waiting for the Adizero SL2 and Adios 9 to release. Your glowing review of the Supernova Rise has me wondering if I should pick up the Rise over the SL2 as my next daily trainer.
Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the continued support! I think the Supernova Rise will complement the SL2 well…
Once we start seeing more of some brands 2024 shoes I plan to make updates to the brand deep dives, expanding it even more this year. Too many released shoes at the moment to do it now. That will be a summer project once releases slow down.
I also have some more design deep dives I want to do. Again, likely summer when there is a new release drought.
Very much looking forward to April! Have loved all the content since the beginning last year.
I'm also extremely interested to learn more about this longstanding beef you have with Saucony😂 The endorphin Pro 3 is still probably the best all around you I've ever run in. Excited to have my viewpoint challenged a little bit to see what I'm missing.
Thanks for all the great content!
I’ll be getting into it all in about a week to 10 days. I’ll have about a week and a half of Saucony content… stay tuned.
April is going to be a lot of things for sure. 🤙🏻
Hey Chris, really enjoying and appreciate what you're doing with the channel. Such great insights. I've learned a ton since subscribing several months back. And it doesn't hurt that I think we enjoy similar types of shoes! Looking forward to the month ahead.
Wow, someone else out there with my eclectic taste in running shoes. Thank you for the support. Plenty more on the way! 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning Haha, I was thinking more along the lines of good old simplistic yet well done daily trainers! Just placed an order for the Velocity Nitro 3 : )
Good choice. Curious how you find them after 60miles or so. Do let me know.
Interesting thoughts about the durability of the Velocity Nitro 3 and Mach 6. I have the Deviate Nitro 2 and the Nitro and Nitro Elite foam are still great at over 600 miles. My Mach 6 only has about 40 miles so I'm watching durability, too. I don't race but the Metaspeed Paris series has me more excited about the Superblast 2. V1 has been a godsend for saving my old legs on long runs.
Keep geeking out and I'll keep watching.🖖
I hope I get much more in Nitro foam… I really enjoy the Puma product thus far. Only one way to find out… is to run more in them this year.
The Hoka… I went in with low expectations so not expecting much. Will be pleasantly surprised if they last longer than 150-200mi.
Thank you for the support! 🤙🏻
You’re the goat for replying to these comments!
I have a pair of SC elite 4’s coming. I paid $207 USD shipped so I couldn’t say no. I’m hoping for the best. I get on well either way the sc trainer 1/2 and 1080v13. I’m not very fast so if I have to use it as a super trainer I’ll be happy.
Edge Paris is inbound on Tuesday!
Lastly, I commented on your Nike running gear video and just ordered around $200 of Nike running shorts 🙃
Aeroswift 4” (I’m 6’2). 5 inch shorts work better for me.
That does sound like a good deal. Hopefully you can get some use out of the shoe.
The Metaspeed will really contrast the NB… get ready.
I’m 5’8” and the 4” Aeroswift shorts look like Thai kick boxing shorts on me. I’m all about the short short life for running. I just took my Aeroswift kit out and washed it in the laundry yesterday since the heat is coming here…
Thank you for the support. I hope to keep up the comment thing as long as I can.
Really enjoying your content and style; and thanks for the advice you gave me over the last couple of days. Regarding Hoka foam durability, I read that Hoka foam needs time to recover, resting 2-3 days between runs. Not ideal for a daily trainer, but worth considering for anyone who has a shoe rotation. Also interesting that in Thailand nearly all Hoka Mach 6's are wide versions.
Yup, I’ve always heard that about Hoka foams as well (and many other EVA forms). While I agree, rotating shoes so the foams can rest is a good idea… having that as a design attribute that you need to consider is not great.
Also, here in Taiwan… Hoka fittings are often starting with a wide. That is also unacceptable that the standard width is too narrow for most.
Though both Taiwan and Thailand are cultures where people live in sandals/slides/flip-flops or barefoot often… so wider feet and wider fits make sense here (and alot of Asia).
Nice content 👌
Thank you. 🙏🏻
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subscribed today, after i realized ive seen alot of your videos. we certainly are engaged
Thank you. Thank you. The algorithm has made it so! 🤙🏻
Oooh your opinion about New Balance is interesting! I actually really like my 1080v13 and rebelv4. Might be the first time I’m disagreeing with your takes, we’ll see 😅
The 1080v14 and 880v13 don’t fall under this. They are fine as cushioned or classic trainers. I no longer have faith in the 880v14 to be any good… but the last generation are just fine as they are, though the 1080 is still too soft.
Your training volume puts me to shame haha, I really need to increase my running time. Looking forward to your commentary on the Rebel v4 (and the Saucony Endorphin Speed line too!), as I was a bit taken aback with the radical design change compared to the v3. However, 2024 is probably gonna be new daily trainer year for me what with the Peg 39 hitting 600k (the Triumph is in the 500k range), so I'm waiting for some (any) news on the Peg 41, but that Supernova Rise is a tempting proposition if and when it arrives. How do they compare to the Adizero SL btw? Cheers!
There are some big daily shoes this year. It’s a bit of a focus for the channel this year. I’m trying as many as I find interesting and will be comparing them quite a bit all year. I’ll even do a second “best of” video at year end for “daily trainer of the year” as well as “shoe of the year”.
I think the Supernova Rise will compliment the SL 2. The SL 2 will be the more well rounded, true do it all… while the SN series is more the easy day compliment. I like rotating two trainers so it’s going to be a great pairing.
I actually enjoyed the Rebel v4 a lot at first as a lightweight daily trainer, but it seemed like the foam lost its extra pop really quickly. That is kinda what I was guessing would happen with only 20% peba and 80% EVA though. The SC Trainer v3 will probably have a similar issue, though v2 was already a mushy and not particularly poppy shoe from the beginning so the early miles will probably be an improvement at least.
The SC Elite v4 is great though more as a super trainer or Superblast type shoe for me (although don't like that one). It is definitely a very comfortable/easy-going/approachable super shoe and probably an excellent mararthon racer for most people. It's not aggressive enough for me as a racer but makes a great trainer.
I get that about the SC Elite v4 and can see that… but there are better shoes out there that meet that. Though I suppose non from NB.
The Rebel v4 is so frustrating to hear about the foam. I’ll get there and see for myself…
Really looking forward to your details thoughts on Rebel v4 when you have chance to buy the standard width. I cannot imagine the wide one. I tried the standard version and my admittedly narrow foot was swimming in the upper. Lots of excess scratchy fabric too. Why would NB do this?
But one positive thing - NB usually cant my foot inwards even just standing there (let alone pronating when I run). Oddly the Rebel V4 did not maybe because of how wide the platform is. For this reason, I may try them out, especially after having read several anecdotes about initial dislike turning into praise once midsole breaks in.
That’s the larger issue with NB at the moment… their entire design direction is flawed and they will stick around for a few years at least. One shoe is easy to ignore but it’s ALL of their shoes suffering from the same issue.
I’ll get there eventually… just gotta get a pair to run in… who knows when that will be.
I can’t imagine the midsole of the Rv4 after “break in”… ugh.
Hoka mach 6, feel a bit flat after 40km .. so what it will last for 100 maybe 200 😢 last mach lasted no more than 300 because lack of rubber on oursole - who right minded would even consider shoe like that, provided we have so many great choices right now 🤔
We shall see. I need to run more in the shoe to know. But my expectations for Hoka durability are always very low.
Agree on the Alphafly, at this point my hype is down and even for the (4/4 here in the States) release of the Volt I'm kind of mixed on whether or not I want to get it or start gearing up for summer releases. Puma has a big season coming for the summer, and Asics has some notable releases as well. Plus, you have the unmentionable Adidas shoes coming in the fall if the rumors are to be believed (maybe they'll eventually release the Takumi Sen 10 here in the States as well since they still haven't done that), so it's not worth going through all the frustration Nike is causing. Hoping the Adizero SL 2 finally comes out as well, looking forward to that one.
I’m really looking forward to some of Puma’s upcoming releases… eagerly.
I’ll get to the AF3 when I get too it. The Nike release playbook is tired though… ugh.
The Adidas racers coming this year SHOULD be more attainable… though Adidas releases in 2024 have been all over the place.
The SL 2 is my next most anticipated shoe… soon!
Don't be frustrated because of not having the possibility of buying an AF3. I had the chance to buy one even with some discount on it but I preferred to buy a Zegama with a really big discount (paid far less than half retail price) instead. As my runs are mostly trail runs I'll wait till black friday for my AF3 purchase and hopefully a "reasonable" priced Ultrafly.
The Ultrafly is alot of fun… if you have the right trials… definitely not what I have to run here. The Zegama is more shoe than I want, I like much more minimal trail shoes. I’ll have some more trail stuff soon… some thing similar quite excited about.
The AF3 will eventually show up… someday. It’s more I want to cover it for the channel and less I want to use it for anything really…
this is the first time you have said the word Fahrenheit (dang that's hard to spell) 🇺🇸
Hahaha. Part of moving abroad was to think in Celsius and Kilometers… distance is no problem for me now, miles feel odd now. Temperature… is a mixed bag. Cooler temps I still think in F, warmer I can switch between C and F (mostly).
Can't wait for your Nike AF3 review! You're my go to runtuber because we have very similar taste in running shoes.
As soon as I can get a pair… I’ll be in them. Stay tuned! 🤙🏻
Would be interesting if you can get some Xtep shoes, specially 160x 5.0 and 5.0 pro. The brand seems to be creating some buzz among western runners but seems difficult to get (not sure if it’s also the case in Taiwan).
Xtep are the sponsors of my running club. They are extremely popular in China.
The Chinese brands are not very popular here and are hard to find. Even if you find them, the majority are counterfeits.
I do follow some of the Chinese market and find what’s going on there very interesting. Someday I’ll jump in… but not now.
What I dislike about adidas running shoes is the « vanity » cutout to show the rods on the midsole and the fact that the heel is not padded and make the shoes runs long + the geometric cuts in general (german engineering = too much complications as in their cars).
TS9 midsole wise was very good/very direct but as mentioned ; those details make the shoe not stable/locked.
What’s good about the Metaspeed Paris is that you have all the surface of the shoes on the ground vs other brands.
Ya… I absolutely love the aesthetics of what Adidas has been putting out. However, I agree with some of the engineering building a bit over engineered. That midfoot cutout seems to be disappearing in some models… hopefully that is a larger trend.
Also agree… given how narrow the Metaspeed Paris series are… there is so much surface area on that shoe. Could be problematic in some conditions (rock/gravel/dirt, not really super shoe terrain) but definitely adds to the “planted” feel of the shoes.
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Mizuno wave Rebellion pro 2, is incredible and unique in every stride, it doesn't remind me of any other shoe. Im also in love with my asics superblast very light and cushy for long runs. Unfortunately adidas adios 3 pro disappointed me as they caused me huge pain in my big fingers due to its fit, im sad because adidas is my fave brand
The fit of the AP3 is definitely rough due to the horrible upper. Luckily it looks to be resolved in the upcoming AP4.
@@SagasuRunning i totally agree , the upper is rough and disgusting, why they didnt use engineered mesh for example . If they improve it they are gking to be again my marathon shoes
They have switched to a much softer and more pliable upper material. It should be much much better in the AP4.
Regarding Metaspeed series positive reviews, I slightly disagree: I noticed that the very early reviews like kofuzi's or Run Like Heller while they were by no measure negatives they were kind of not wowed. Or Believe in the Run. Doctors or Running also praised them and then came you and Eddbud and kind of solidified the perception.
Yesterday I saw Yowana's he put Sky Paris for training and did a 10k PB, ridiculous.
My take is that now that more people have put some miles on it, the wave is clearly on the positive side.
Regardless of how glowing the initial reviews have been… they have been overwhelmingly positive. Time will tell, definitely… it will be interesting to see the 100mile and long term reviews in a few months form most.
@@SagasuRunning Yes it hasn't been a negative review as far as I can remember. I expect the positiveness to only grow. These are phenomenal shoes.
@yiann1sk It will be interesting to see once we start getting true along term reviews on the Paris series. So far so good though.
When is the shoe washing video dropping
Next video up on the channel, this Wednesday. 🧽💦🫧
@@SagasuRunningfinally the real content I've been waiting for
Ha. 🤙🏻
Who was saying the Velocity 3 went flat at 60 miles?
Not the VN3, just Nitro foam can sometimes feel that way. I’ve had a bunch of comments on my videos with the VN3 and when I’ve talked about the shoe. I hope it’s not the case… I’ll keep running in them and find out. I enjoy them too much right now.
@@SagasuRunning ah gotcha.
This might make you feel less worried.
Long story short I got 2 pairs of them on the account of a manufacturer defect (handled very well by their customer service).
When you mentioned those comments I immediately went outside and took some strides in my new/untouched pair and compared them to my 100 mile pair and I couldn’t tell a difference except that the latter has opened up much more in the upper and is conformed to my foot. Ofc, Different for everybody but foam in mine seems to be doing great.
That’s good to hear. The Nitro TPEe foam DEFINITELY breaks in after 40k or so and loosens up (just like LSP)… I hope it stays that way. I would love these shoes to consistently go into the 300k+ range for me.
@@SagasuRunning My VN2 went flat after 300km. Having 100km on the second pair now. Hope these will run longer.
300km is an acceptable amount for a performance trainer for me… but the VN is more of a basic trainer to me so I would expect more…
This pains me to share but the Edge Paris was a miss for me, to the point that I’ve returned them. I put 30 miles on them including an 18-miler, and I didn’t realize just how narrow it was and how much that would affect me. I supinate on my right foot and I will say the foam’s inherent peba instability feels genuinely high up given the narrow platform that it affected me on both legs. For reference I’m 165-170 lbs, marathon race paces around 8:10-8:20 min/mile. I was really disappointed because I love the NB4 and SB so much. But I will likely be going AP3 or EP3 for marathon. To be fair the shoe (Edge Paris) is genuinely quick and has consistent energy return - it lacks a “wow” bounce but I think that’s by design with the Edge and again I think the shoe will be great for many just not anyone concerned with stability in rear and midfoot.
That’s a bummer. I did find it a high and narrow platform as well. The first run it just felt like I was up on a platform. As the foam molded to my foot more it felt a bit more natural… but I like a nimble shoe and the MSEP feels so nimble. But running on cambered roads and off pavement is dicey, for sure.
Asics is the type of company that definitely would actively try to reduce a “wow” factor. That is the Japanese way. It’s interesting to look at the Asics line and see the shoes they obviously are concepted in America (NB, SB) side-by-side with those form Japan (Metaspeeds, Magic Speed)… night and day there.
@@SagasuRunning it was cambered roads specifically where I struggled. It’s 100% a nimble (and impressive) shoe though. Appreciate all your great content and engagement and thank you for the follow up!
Those Asics Paris look so nice!!
They are… such an impressive shoe!