i got this game when me and my freinds play game that cost us 2 hours and half and then my midlaner said dat he sell all his item and buy all heart of tarrasque 😂😭 . i was like wtf , and then we win the game
@@OriginalPuro my carry playin pudge and after 1 hour playin he said to me , i got us , i got us a butterfly , and i was like dude when did u start playin dota 😭😂
@@superspies32 but io was really broken tho, if your team can at least make space for io to finish aghs and hit that lv 15 timing, pretty much a free game.
I remember this at that time when the diffu gyro strat started against bb spammers. Like evey match in SEA when BB is picked, gyro diffu to follow up lmao
@@bullymaguire6773 chill dude, it’s just casual trolling between pros, they all respect each other. They’re just adding salt to a non-existing feud, dramas like this will bring more audiences and audiences will bring more money. Ever thought of that?
@@cyberpsykoh6686 nah puppey and Secret need to learn some sportsmanship. You never see OG showing any disrespect to the teams that they have beaten. Sure they troll their opponents around during the games but that's integrated into their playstyle. End of the day, win or lose, they always talk well about the other teams. Secret and Puppey on the other hand trashtalk others after winning their matches. And now people are memeing them for it.
@@andromedasky4055 But Ceb made a clear statement about it in his twitter. BTW Team secret itself still nothing until they won aegis this day and if it's about achievements... Ti8: Regional Qualifiers to Aegis Ti9: Back to back Champion with 100% winrate Ti10: Having 24 winstreak series at Ti
We haven't seen game defining moments since the chen pudge combo domination by navi, until OG took center stage. Rush aghs carry wisp also by OG, diffusal gyro against bristle (a hero that dominated that meta heavily). Now we have the Collapse Magnus. TI really brings out the craziest shit.
Diffusal was the perfect item for that perfect situation, but to think and act on it during one of the biggest games of your life is something not even most professionals could have done. Topson definitely deserves the recognition his Diffusal Gyrocopter received.
Liquid could definitely force them into a game 5 in that series "IF" Topson didn't thought of that Diffusal Blade item. I cannot see how OG will beat Liquid that game 4. too much for a siege type play, how they are synergizing the Bristleback, and how useless the OG's draft that game. Kuro actually knows how to beat the Io carry strat of OG that night but Topson doing Topson things.
Such an amazing personality of Topson that is presented in this clip in particular, out of bounds! You can literally feel the peace by just having a glance at the man's calmed face. No other team truly deserved the amazing win imo. Well done OG, well done Topson!
@@Val-eo8xo Agreed. All ana do is get his level 15/aghs timing. While topson think outside the box and litteraly change the tide of the game to their favor
@@newstrats9440 same. Why do people think they’re Collapse. I have no problem with Magnus but just try to play like yourself with your capabilities and not act/play like someone else cause that’s how you lose a game.
I strongly agree You matter of fact I was actually thinking there should be a tournament of old teams Like Secret (yapzor and all) OG (ana topson) Liquid (TI7) Newbee (TI7 before finals) And many more it would be the blast
the most impressive part to me was not the idea in itself, but how he never once talked about it to his team beforehand. I like to theorycraft a lot of weird and questionable builds in dota but i discuss them a lot and ask opinions before trying them in a serious match. Sometimes you get a great idea, sometimes not, and its hard to know why something might go wrong. The fact he tried it in game 4 of TI FINALS is insane. It won them the game and got a lot a praise, but imagine if he went for another weird item and it costs them the game? People would blame him 110% for that. Its just as juggernaut says, "There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity"
He did talk about it twice before and that is just on live comms we get to ehar. If you think pros do not communicate, you are just stupid. Are you stupid ?
When your intuition actually works :o Honestly I wasnt that surprised since Diffusal is somewhat a pretty good mid game item for agi heroes, but Topson is really a good player since he analyzed the situation they were in and thought of a wild solution
"I try to not be influenced by like other players' style and I just try to do what I think is the best thing to do instead of doing what they think is the best thing to do." -Topson Noted, sir.
@@icouldntthinkofagoodname7216 it was okay tho, what wrecked them that whole grand final was tiny being flexed as pos 2 and 4 by topson and jerax. rmn- (ex-liquid/nigma coach) even suggested they try to snatch the tiny but kuro was stubborn (watch ti9 true sight)
@@jerickalberca4503 to be fair, lgd rekt collapse's magnus on game 3, but in game 5, they completely forgot what made that game 3 possible, the rubick, and they didnt pick rubick when it was available on the first pick stage and went for tiny lycan, then rubick got banned on 2nd ban stage.
SEA Server: "well you know no one really builds meta here there's always 1 or all 5 guys doing something weird and ends up being annoying cause it works"
Open-minded the SEA version is having this Ogre-Magi with Solar Crest and Crimson Guard that farms out of position, the enemy thinks he's an easy picking but dude won't just die it creates enough time for his team to counter-initiate.
In SEA server this happend a lot of times, i'm also the victim whenever i play as BB, opponenet DPS will buy diffu, its pain in the ass, especially if its a hero with high hit rate speed. so when i watched Topson Gyro bought diffu, i already know that its a checkmate for BB, denying BB hardcarry hero mode.
@@efrenabarientos3505 usually when BB own octarine, its gonna be savage moment for BB,, harashing opponent as you wish with your low CD skills, both 1 and 2 (w/o aghanim) with high mana regen and mana pool, But when its enter a late game, where a hero with high aspd comes dueling you such as PL,, its hard really hardgame for BB,, mana burn for each atk from PL decrease your mana from full to zero in relly short time. Unless your teamate can take down opponent dps, the one with diffu,, your BB gonna struggle. So yep, its still good items and winable match, but all depends on your teamwork and lock ability. SEA server is hell, they just duel any hero they see, playing rambo and keep forgeting to use their head. WR, Huskar, AM with diffu is scary opponent for BB
Topson is like an old eccentric man on a manga. Then u just knew his old story and viola, he was a legendary great sage that pioneered in breaking the things that binds mortals to stay mortals.
People are asking for an Archives of Ana IO in TI9 but honestly they can't, Firstly Ana is probably in some hidden village again so he won't come for interviews and you can't just tell the whole world that the strat he thought about came from playing IO carry in a 3k mmr pub with his friend.
Diffu is just such a good item in general, I put it on LS and Void and is such a gamechanger because it's two abilities and alot of agility for fairly cheap.
I dont even get whats so groundbreaking about diffusal. Agi hero and it gives him stats he needs and some added chase potential. If gyro wasnt agi hero then this might have been special
@@Jebu911when you're talking about diffu, you're talking about purpose. Just because gyro is agi hero, doesn't mean any agi items are considered ok with agi heroes. clearly you just started playing dota like 2 years ago
@@Jebu911he basically said it himself, they don't need chase because the only ranged hero in liquid is the windrunner, their main damage and clash heroes we're onmi and bb which needs mana. So he build diffu to burn their mana and Ana Io for damage and slow
@@Jebu911 Diffusal isnt highly favored in games because other items are economically better and its a situational item. Also, he's the only natural builder of SE in their lineup. Damage + break wouldve been more obvious build. But Topson said diffu was good cause he can burn BB + Omni's mana, meaning 2 cores gonna have less impact on clash. And with no other heavy damage dealer cause WR is a single target killer, they can drag out the fight and kite them till they die. Any other pos 2 or pos 3 hero from Liquid, that wouldnt have been effective. Which is probably the part they referring to as the big brain play, cause he read the game perfectly and shut them down
What's terrifying about this play, that I believe just like the Buyback bit from Ana, is that Io(Ana again) hit level 15 right before the highground push as well. It's like planets align and Liquid's pacing goes from 200 to 0. Like popping a balloon almost. Rarely seen in any competitive game.
Okay, nobody's gonna mention when Puppey called out Topson for his early glyphs pre TI8? And yet here he's praising Topson. I really want to see Secret.Topson.
and now those early glyphs are now abused, especially by midlaners. Glyph being off cd is a huge resource, and if it is not used, then its just wasted. Especially given that the offlane only manages to threaten the tower around minute 6 onwards
idk why but this video was supposed to be complimenting topson but that puppey interview scene makes me wonder if is he complimenting or being sarcastic about it. 😂
@@gorillaz9694 he was pointing at Topson, which was already eliminated. They eliminated OG from the upper bracket. And i feel team spirit will won against secret then after so many year PSG LGD will win TI.
@@samuelbonafe258 Dude, this video most likely made before Ti starts. Lo and behold, Secret lost. So Puppey with 10% Ti win percentage vs Topson 67% Ti percentage, and Topson is the one who flop. Lmao.
This just show why OG deserve 2 TI. They had the skill, the brain and the mentality to wrap it up. I think this is the 2nd most clever strat of DotA. The 1st, of course the 5 carry SEA strat. Not even OG dare to play that.
People really overthink stuffs. Sometimes just simple thinking can be effective like this one, Diffu is good against BB since he is so reliant on mana to be effective. So Topson just go for it. Sure meta item build is the most effective, but sometimes situational item can come in handy as well.
Fun fact: the diffu gyro is really amazing, because flank cannon is physical, it also apply diffu effect, but the more amazing is. IO attack when tether to gyro also has diffu effect.
Flak Cannon does not trigger attack modifiers, except on the main target. The idea of the diffu is that Gyro can burn the target of BB / Omni / ES fast due to his fast attack speed and Overcharge from Io. But the mana burn from diffu does not spread due to all targets from Flak Cannon.
@@xxJinraixx watch the replay in dota2 and not in you tube and you will see. You can also see that IO's attack has mana burn, bring it to 0.75 or 0.5 so you can see clearly
@@mr.bas1ctv780 No it does not. It is still the Gyrocopter's normal attacks that burn the BB/ES mana. Whether you watch it in youtube or Dota2 replay function (which I also double-checked in slow-motion to make sure), the Io normal attacks or Spirits do not burn mana. The movements in BB's mana aside from Gyrocopter's auto attack comes from him using his Nasal Goo, Quill Spray, and use of Magic Wand. Besides, when did Io have any skill or talent that burns mana? Io does not gain the mana burn from Gyrocopter's diffusal even if he's tethered to him, unless he has his own diffusal. You can also see in the fight at the tier 3 top tower in Game 4, just after Topson uses Gyrocopter's Call Down, the Flak Cannon hits Omni and Chen, which does not burn their mana. This is clearly how the skill functions as Flak Cannon does not proc attack modifiers (like Desolator, Maelstrom, Daedalus, Diffusal, Skadi, etc.) except on the main target only.
@@mr.bas1ctv780 No it does not. No modifiers are applied on Io bonus attacks from the tethered talented target. Flak also doens't proc anything besides auras.
Topson is a unique player which requires the whole team to understand his gameplay and can capitalize on his risky and overaggresive gameplay. I think so far Jerax is one of the player who truly understand Topson and can sync perfectly to his play, while still keep balance on the overall gameplay of the team. I think if Topson move to other team, he will not be as successful as he is in OG.
People thinks puppey genuinly hate topson lmao. These people are idiots. A bunch of whinning redditors and twitter karens who calls a player a trash and hypocrite because trashtalking is automatically a sin in a online fucking game.
"The International Grand Finals is a strange place to try unorthodox builds." Me, remembering that Dendi's first game as Enigma is TI Grand Finals: *Yep, it's unorthodox.*
this guy invent the whole "dumb" meta by himself. -meme hammer invoker -mid morphling -diffu gyro -and if i remember correctly there is a game that he goes radiance on monkey king getting harsh word by puppey, ridiculed by caster and even labeled as "Flopson and/or Godson", the guy that either being a god in game or a flop in game. then later, he goes win 2 TI's back to back with an very exiting gameplay. what a legend.
@@schneeraizor7020 Shotgun morph is still strong. You go E Blade and you're in business. You don't play a lot of Morhphling if you think Morph mid is a joke. Morph wants lvl 3, is a pretty good laner and can farm small mid camps without troubles. You just don't play Morphling if you think you can't go mid with it. Morph goes even in all mid matchups but 2 specific counters. Even then, he can rotate back to front and stack jungle camps to make up for the denies.
@@remyboivin5837 im not talking nowadays meta. im talking about the time that topson abusing mid morphling when everyone doesnt. basically it was him to regularize mid morph back in the day while everyone still doing ember veil. OG are also the team who 1st picking tiny for mid or 4th back when everyone think tiny is average. what im saying is, OG.TOPSON is basically a revolutioner.
@@schneeraizor7020 Regarding Tiny you're so wrong. Tiny was overpowered not because it was broken but because it was a flex pick. It still is. Tiny is my main, always has been. The hero got me to Immortal. What was strong about Tiny was that you could secure mid lane in the worst matchup or fling it as a 4 and only buy Blink and play the positioning game and disruption anti-counter. Mid Morph was played prior to Topson even being on the good players map. Mid Morph is just not seen a lot because most players are trash. Mid Morph requires an extensive understanding of the game. Morph as a whole is really hard to pilot. You need to know the kits of each hero and how to play them on the fly.
Bristleback was the jenga brick to crumple the tower. He relies on every lick of mana so someone like Gyro draining him of his mana means that Secret was completely down their main frontliner. Even with Guardian Angel the BB still gets his mana burned and is completely useless, allowing the rest of OG to clean up the others and wreak havoc now that it’s a 5v4 and one turtle without any offensive power. Genius plays. We always forget to adapt and overcome and try something different when risk is what makes Dota, Dota.
I once bought Diffu on my Windranger, it ended up being a good choice and it won me the game. It was also against a Bristleback, mind you. Where's my Dota archive? ☹️ Jk guys
"If the enemy knows the game better than you, change the game."
Sun Tzu, probably
underrated comment right here
Funnily Enough, it's actually said by him. Don't fight the war you can't win, When the victory is assured you must fight
So that's where puppey got it
"i did not said that"
- Sun Tzu
@@darrylrazo1873 he did actually, but not word from word, the entire art of war is heavily implied this msg
Imagine u r playing dota and ur whole team die to create space for ur Gyro, then ur Gryo open the mic and said 'I got diffu' LMAFO
i got this game when me and my freinds play game that cost us 2 hours and half and then my midlaner said dat he sell all his item and buy all heart of tarrasque 😂😭 . i was like wtf , and then we win the game
Imagine you are playing Dota and your whole team dies to create space for your Gyro, then your Gyro says "I got diffusal blade". LMFAO.
@@OriginalPuro wut
@@OriginalPuro my carry playin pudge and after 1 hour playin he said to me , i got us , i got us a butterfly , and i was like dude when did u start playin dota 😭😂
@pang24 😂😂😂
Topson just trusted himself, as simple as it sounds not everyone can do it.
even his team trust him
This. I wouldn't even bat an eye to that when I know the one who's playing know what he is doing. He's fucking Topson
most of sea player trusted themself and get fcked up
YES!
@@diobrando8421 underrated comment bruh
Nigma players are so positive and nice. Even after losing
even after got spammed lakad matatag the whole tournament
Sometimes your opponent is better, eventhough you've done your best.
except weehaa, cause he never lift aegis
While they kick w33 🤣
"Fucking Topson"
Ahhh the damn diffu gyro that broke the pubs after TI. Carry players feeling like they're topson, losing game after game.
Pubs all broken at the beginning when Ana use IO as hard carry
@@superspies32 but io carry is very broken I can get a winstreak by using io carry
@@superspies32 but io was really broken tho, if your team can at least make space for io to finish aghs and hit that lv 15 timing, pretty much a free game.
I remember this at that time when the diffu gyro strat started against bb spammers. Like evey match in SEA when BB is picked, gyro diffu to follow up lmao
@@luxed3583 why does its broken tho? can u explain? im spamming necro offlane and once i met io carry, its not that bad imo
Love the fact that puppey calls him "flopson" but still commends him. Still hasn't gotten over that pub game where topson tilted him I see.
I noticed that too, I feel like puppey is saltier than ppd.
Puppey is a jackass. I’m just so happy he got denied of an Aegis once again.
@@bullymaguire6773 same thought.
@@bullymaguire6773 chill dude, it’s just casual trolling between pros, they all respect each other. They’re just adding salt to a non-existing feud, dramas like this will bring more audiences and audiences will bring more money. Ever thought of that?
@@cyberpsykoh6686 nah puppey and Secret need to learn some sportsmanship. You never see OG showing any disrespect to the teams that they have beaten. Sure they troll their opponents around during the games but that's integrated into their playstyle. End of the day, win or lose, they always talk well about the other teams. Secret and Puppey on the other hand trashtalk others after winning their matches. And now people are memeing them for it.
Love the way MC praise topson. "fucking topson" he was so good! That diffu was imba.
I know right, this why i want MC to replace ceb (if kuro decide to kick MC)
Hahaha mc funny guy
guys dont play this game .. mobile legends is better JESSNOLIMIT>TOPSON
@@gilangsaputra6333 gws
@@gilangsaputra6333 gws
The carry IO and the diffusal gyro. That's what makes the OG a team very unique
lmfao puppey just calling him flopson
😂😂😂
After winning to TI. Sure !
He's still salty on Topson 🤣🤣
I think you guys forgot that Ceb started this war between Og and Secret... Tsk stay down...
@@andromedasky4055 But Ceb made a clear statement about it in his twitter. BTW Team secret itself still nothing until they won aegis this day and if it's about achievements...
Ti8: Regional Qualifiers to Aegis
Ti9: Back to back Champion with 100% winrate
Ti10: Having 24 winstreak series at Ti
Honestly that Diffusal buy is one of those 200 iq / game changer moments in TI finals
Also that ana item sell
I dont think so, way back dota 1 diffusal blade is used against int. Heroes to burn their mana! Well i guess youre a millenial.
@@roldancuenca5866 do your average Gyrocopter at an average pub game before that International usually buy diffusal?
@@roldancuenca5866 you dont see gyrocopter diffu before that ti9 finals rho
We haven't seen game defining moments since the chen pudge combo domination by navi, until OG took center stage. Rush aghs carry wisp also by OG, diffusal gyro against bristle (a hero that dominated that meta heavily). Now we have the Collapse Magnus. TI really brings out the craziest shit.
Diffusal was the perfect item for that perfect situation, but to think and act on it during one of the biggest games of your life is something not even most professionals could have done. Topson definitely deserves the recognition his Diffusal Gyrocopter received.
Liquid could definitely force them into a game 5 in that series "IF" Topson didn't thought of that Diffusal Blade item. I cannot see how OG will beat Liquid that game 4. too much for a siege type play, how they are synergizing the Bristleback, and how useless the OG's draft that game. Kuro actually knows how to beat the Io carry strat of OG that night but Topson doing Topson things.
Such an amazing personality of Topson that is presented in this clip in particular, out of bounds! You can literally feel the peace by just having a glance at the man's calmed face. No other team truly deserved the amazing win imo. Well done OG, well done Topson!
Of all the historical "moments" of TI I think the Ana IO deserves atleast 15 minutes of this
I think topson who made that game comeback.cuz their bristle is useless without mana
@@Val-eo8xo Agreed. All ana do is get his level 15/aghs timing. While topson think outside the box and litteraly change the tide of the game to their favor
@@gapyow8599 i think what he meant is to create a video on how the io carry started
@@gapyow8599 pick io as carry is allready out of the box man
I remember Puppey getting angry at Topson in a pub because Topsob built SNY and Shadowblade on Silencer HAHAHHAHAHAHA Puppey started crying
He told topson to kill himself, imagine telling someone to kill himself but he won 2 TI after that.
Honestly i will mad also if i have silencer in my team that build sny 😂 but not too far like told him to kill himself
@@DamzSimeon Yup! It was a silly pub game and he got so pressed lmao.
And topson said "biggest manchild in eu" HAHA
Puppey not angry about that, he is angry because Topson using glyph to win on mid but now everybody using glyph to win on mid lol
Enemy: *picks CM*
My Core: *Buy Diffu*
OGs build on Gyro diffu and IO carry inspired a lot on SEA pubs and end up disastrously.
And now magnus man, everywhere i go, i see him.
@@newstrats9440 same. Why do people think they’re Collapse. I have no problem with Magnus but just try to play like yourself with your capabilities and not act/play like someone else cause that’s how you lose a game.
2:42 Highest level of compliment you can get from your opponent...
I still think to this day that this OG team is the best of all time.
I strongly agree
You matter of fact I was actually thinking there should be a tournament of old teams
Like
Secret (yapzor and all)
OG (ana topson)
Liquid (TI7)
Newbee (TI7 before finals)
And many more it would be the blast
@@mihirpanchal8998 old would've been navi with Wendi puppey. Secret was after that.
@@holohulolo No no when I said old I mean TI7 (I have started watching dota from TI7 only)
nobody will beat what og did! this will be in history forever!
@@holohulolo who the fuck is wendy
the most impressive part to me was not the idea in itself, but how he never once talked about it to his team beforehand. I like to theorycraft a lot of weird and questionable builds in dota but i discuss them a lot and ask opinions before trying them in a serious match. Sometimes you get a great idea, sometimes not, and its hard to know why something might go wrong.
The fact he tried it in game 4 of TI FINALS is insane. It won them the game and got a lot a praise, but imagine if he went for another weird item and it costs them the game? People would blame him 110% for that.
Its just as juggernaut says, "There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity"
He did talk about it twice before and that is just on live comms we get to ehar. If you think pros do not communicate, you are just stupid. Are you stupid ?
They forgot to say the most important thing. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME (and pubs)
Depends on the game honestly and that's the whole point. To see that opportunity an to cease it =)
When your intuition actually works :o Honestly I wasnt that surprised since Diffusal is somewhat a pretty good mid game item for agi heroes, but Topson is really a good player since he analyzed the situation they were in and thought of a wild solution
one thing is that you understand, and other that you can let yourself buy it in TI finals
One of the best moment in The International 2019
Puppy acting like he didn't tell Topson to kill himself during a pub rofl
lmfao
He called him Flopson tho
Yep. Puppey is one of the pros that trashtalk players in pubs. Ceb and Torontotokyo are others.
every pro player have their fair share of trash talks in pubs...Cant hold them accountable for that afterall its just pubs
@@akashgudigar807 nah puppey is just trash. good player? perhaps. but trash.
"I try to not be influenced by like other players' style and I just try to do what I think is the best thing to do instead of doing what they think is the best thing to do." -Topson
Noted, sir.
I hope they make an archive where og made the previous liquid team pick tide ta 3 times
They were inventing the tide meta too early.
@@icouldntthinkofagoodname7216 it was okay tho, what wrecked them that whole grand final was tiny being flexed as pos 2 and 4 by topson and jerax. rmn- (ex-liquid/nigma coach) even suggested they try to snatch the tiny but kuro was stubborn (watch ti9 true sight)
Uhm also LGD letting Spirit draft Magnus all the time
Keep picking Tide TA what could possibly go wrong lol
@@jerickalberca4503 to be fair, lgd rekt collapse's magnus on game 3, but in game 5, they completely forgot what made that game 3 possible, the rubick, and they didnt pick rubick when it was available on the first pick stage and went for tiny lycan, then rubick got banned on 2nd ban stage.
When you get praise from a man whose has played in all TIs that's says alot
Yeah, also calls him "Flopson"
3:02
It was TI9, but to Topson its just another rank match
fr
+25
the greatest individual player the game has ever seen. He even quit while that fact was indisputable like a real legend
SEA Server: "well you know no one really builds meta here there's always 1 or all 5 guys doing something weird and ends up being annoying cause it works"
Shades of Deso+Mjollnir Huskar in SEA pubs back in the day gg
Open-minded the SEA version is having this Ogre-Magi with Solar Crest and Crimson Guard that farms out of position, the enemy thinks he's an easy picking but dude won't just die it creates enough time for his team to counter-initiate.
Our ogre build battlefury, butterfly and moonshard 🤣🤣🤣also basher
@@sangzualadragneel8184 Ive seen this, you guys seen chen basher?
or dazzle manta? lol
@@sangzualadragneel8184 TBH with you bro i have played like that
@@sangzualadragneel8184 they saw the lvl 25 talent and like, oh ogre is a right click hero now
@@nakirifannn1908 I'm the dazzle manta + nullifier...
Puppey just casually calls topson a flopson. 😂
And still… at TI10 managed to choke yet again :’
@@boredchicken5755 by the same team that beat OG earlier, btw I love that aegis giveaway by OG, must be another mastermind work.
In SEA server this happend a lot of times, i'm also the victim whenever i play as BB, opponenet DPS will buy diffu, its pain in the ass, especially if its a hero with high hit rate speed. so when i watched Topson Gyro bought diffu, i already know that its a checkmate for BB, denying BB hardcarry hero mode.
will Octarine counter Diffu? or just gg if the enemy has Diffu?
@@efrenabarientos3505 usually when BB own octarine, its gonna be savage moment for BB,, harashing opponent as you wish with your low CD skills, both 1 and 2 (w/o aghanim) with high mana regen and mana pool, But when its enter a late game, where a hero with high aspd comes dueling you such as PL,, its hard really hardgame for BB,, mana burn for each atk from PL decrease your mana from full to zero in relly short time.
Unless your teamate can take down opponent dps, the one with diffu,, your BB gonna struggle. So yep, its still good items and winable match, but all depends on your teamwork and lock ability. SEA server is hell, they just duel any hero they see, playing rambo and keep forgeting to use their head.
WR, Huskar, AM with diffu is scary opponent for BB
@@KetchyInsomniaBuddySone AM with diffu is like riki buying shadow blade
@@aiman_yt ah yes,, ma bad,, AM passive is free diffusal hahaha
3:02 ...Puppey just called him Flopson💀💀
dude the quality production in TI before this year is top notch, aesthetically pleasing
Honestly I love thest two teams they both talented and humble
Only few people have a courage to risk it all, and topson is one of them.
The lesson to be learnt is that even if something seems "weird", it can work.
Welcome to Dota.
"DotA 2 is just a wierd game"
thats for anywhere in life.
but also; just because something is unique, doesnt mean its useful :)
@@thetute59 no. not anywhere in life.
Yes, like the fountain hooks. I just love dota 2 for this kind of surprise elements.
Topson is like an old eccentric man on a manga. Then u just knew his old story and viola, he was a legendary great sage that pioneered in breaking the things that binds mortals to stay mortals.
The respect and confidence of liquid was incredible.
Yeah no anger or anything. Just "Damn they played the game better than we did. They deserve it."
He is also one the players who pioneered invo urn/vessel that made it now a staple item for invo users
I was rooting hard for Liquid but I wasn't even upset when they lost. They were beaten by a better team with better understanding of the game.
When IO carry Dota 2 Archive 🤣🤣🤣
Mind control gained so much respect for Topson after this tournament!
And now they're playing together in Tundra.
Man. Hits different when even your rivals admire you.
"Fucking Topson."
-Mind Control
Enjoy retirement Topson. We will continue to enjoy your highlights for a long time.
People are asking for an Archives of Ana IO in TI9 but honestly they can't, Firstly Ana is probably in some hidden village again so he won't come for interviews and you can't just tell the whole world that the strat he thought about came from playing IO carry in a 3k mmr pub with his friend.
Topson literally adapted fron playing pub to TI he is very good at changing and adapting to different situations in a blink of an eye
Gyro diffu makes total sense in hindsight and I love that in the current DPC tour it still gets picked up.
I like how mc praised topson for the diffu
The fact that no one in OG died after that diffusal base defense was epic.
well they have io and abbadon for sustain and tanky heroes
Wow. Kuro talking about having an open mind 😅😂
Yeah. We still remembered how he ask MC to play like Ceb. 😂😂
'Shut the fuck up'
Proceed losing the next 3 game. LMAO
he's the second most successful captain ever , after notail. respect kuro god man
You guys are so stupid about this whole thing that kuro is closed minded.
TI winner, runner up, 9 times participant, and closed minded..zzzz
My man puppey still salty. He called topson FLOPson. Fking legend 😂😂
Diffu is just such a good item in general, I put it on LS and Void and is such a gamechanger because it's two abilities and alot of agility for fairly cheap.
I dont even get whats so groundbreaking about diffusal. Agi hero and it gives him stats he needs and some added chase potential. If gyro wasnt agi hero then this might have been special
@@Jebu911when you're talking about diffu, you're talking about purpose. Just because gyro is agi hero, doesn't mean any agi items are considered ok with agi heroes. clearly you just started playing dota like 2 years ago
@@Paksu.Badrulmovic 12 but whos counting. Also i see you are a dota player for being so toxic
@@Jebu911he basically said it himself, they don't need chase because the only ranged hero in liquid is the windrunner, their main damage and clash heroes we're onmi and bb which needs mana. So he build diffu to burn their mana and Ana Io for damage and slow
@@Jebu911 Diffusal isnt highly favored in games because other items are economically better and its a situational item. Also, he's the only natural builder of SE in their lineup. Damage + break wouldve been more obvious build. But Topson said diffu was good cause he can burn BB + Omni's mana, meaning 2 cores gonna have less impact on clash. And with no other heavy damage dealer cause WR is a single target killer, they can drag out the fight and kite them till they die. Any other pos 2 or pos 3 hero from Liquid, that wouldnt have been effective. Which is probably the part they referring to as the big brain play, cause he read the game perfectly and shut them down
What's terrifying about this play, that I believe just like the Buyback bit from Ana, is that Io(Ana again) hit level 15 right before the highground push as well. It's like planets align and Liquid's pacing goes from 200 to 0. Like popping a balloon almost. Rarely seen in any competitive game.
Love the moment it happened.
Love the video itself.
Absolutely hate this comment section.
Late to realize but, i think when kuro said topson is the master of weird-build, hes trying to become the master of weird draft :""
This video is almost 4 mins, but for me it's like watching it for almost 10 mins. There are so many good clips to replay.
Everyone: wtf?
Miracle: I'm fucked
I remember Topson being flamed by Puppey LMAO
That :) afterwards. Finnish tilting Puppey.
When ?
@@nguyentienhai785 its on topson stream ,in pub game ,just search puppey being "NICE" to topson
Okay, nobody's gonna mention when Puppey called out Topson for his early glyphs pre TI8? And yet here he's praising Topson. I really want to see Secret.Topson.
and now those early glyphs are now abused, especially by midlaners. Glyph being off cd is a huge resource, and if it is not used, then its just wasted. Especially given that the offlane only manages to threaten the tower around minute 6 onwards
The words of Gyro always comes in situations like this
"The sky is the limit!
i think..."
mind control is confused, his mind has no control
idk why but this video was supposed to be complimenting topson but that puppey interview scene makes me wonder if is he complimenting or being sarcastic about it. 😂
Calling Topson Flopson after he won TI twice while you did only once, clearly shows what kind of person Puppey is.
Go for 3 Topson!
Topson was like
They laugh when I buy Diffu, now laugh at their mana
1:15
His face literally saying: "yep i know its working"
Puppey casually calling Topson as Flopson. Let see after Ti10, does the pup become a dog or still a pup.
Did not aged well bro
And if he wins?
@@samuelbonafe258 how is it not aged well ? Not even final yet lmao.
@@gorillaz9694 he was pointing at Topson, which was already eliminated. They eliminated OG from the upper bracket. And i feel team spirit will won against secret then after so many year PSG LGD will win TI.
@@samuelbonafe258 Dude, this video most likely made before Ti starts. Lo and behold, Secret lost. So Puppey with 10% Ti win percentage vs Topson 67% Ti percentage, and Topson is the one who flop. Lmao.
Notail: “ana what are you doing man come here”
I don’t get why many people hated OG before and questioning their ability to win TI. These 5 players are all monsters of their own kind
2 years later, Topson still setting meta builds
I wish I could watch this 2 teams again in the next TI! Hope they find their perfect roster!
Hell no, there're a lot more deserving teams compared to Nigma.
Nope, nigma is dead
OG not in TI :(
The confidence to buy that infront of everyone is huge
This just show why OG deserve 2 TI. They had the skill, the brain and the mentality to wrap it up. I think this is the 2nd most clever strat of DotA.
The 1st, of course the 5 carry SEA strat. Not even OG dare to play that.
OMG i almost forgot about that LOL
OG having flashbacks when MVP Pheonix knocked them down to the lower bracket of TI6 with that 5 melee strat kek
This is what it means when they say "You don't play your Hero, you play your opponents."
People really overthink stuffs. Sometimes just simple thinking can be effective like this one, Diffu is good against BB since he is so reliant on mana to be effective. So Topson just go for it.
Sure meta item build is the most effective, but sometimes situational item can come in handy as well.
Fun fact: the diffu gyro is really amazing, because flank cannon is physical, it also apply diffu effect, but the more amazing is. IO attack when tether to gyro also has diffu effect.
Flak Cannon does not trigger attack modifiers, except on the main target. The idea of the diffu is that Gyro can burn the target of BB / Omni / ES fast due to his fast attack speed and Overcharge from Io. But the mana burn from diffu does not spread due to all targets from Flak Cannon.
@@xxJinraixx watch the replay in dota2 and not in you tube and you will see. You can also see that IO's attack has mana burn, bring it to 0.75 or 0.5 so you can see clearly
@@mr.bas1ctv780 No it does not. It is still the Gyrocopter's normal attacks that burn the BB/ES mana. Whether you watch it in youtube or Dota2 replay function (which I also double-checked in slow-motion to make sure), the Io normal attacks or Spirits do not burn mana. The movements in BB's mana aside from Gyrocopter's auto attack comes from him using his Nasal Goo, Quill Spray, and use of Magic Wand.
Besides, when did Io have any skill or talent that burns mana? Io does not gain the mana burn from Gyrocopter's diffusal even if he's tethered to him, unless he has his own diffusal.
You can also see in the fight at the tier 3 top tower in Game 4, just after Topson uses Gyrocopter's Call Down, the Flak Cannon hits Omni and Chen, which does not burn their mana. This is clearly how the skill functions as Flak Cannon does not proc attack modifiers (like Desolator, Maelstrom, Daedalus, Diffusal, Skadi, etc.) except on the main target only.
@@mr.bas1ctv780 No it does not. No modifiers are applied on Io bonus attacks from the tethered talented target. Flak also doens't proc anything besides auras.
Topson my idol. I wanted to see him get another Aegis. Through thick and thin I will support OG. 💯
I love that lakad matatag tape tribute at the beginning, RIP.
Maybe you can replace ana with sumail but nobody can replace jerax man... Topson is not enough, no matter how smart he is.
Topson is a unique player which requires the whole team to understand his gameplay and can capitalize on his risky and overaggresive gameplay. I think so far Jerax is one of the player who truly understand Topson and can sync perfectly to his play, while still keep balance on the overall gameplay of the team. I think if Topson move to other team, he will not be as successful as he is in OG.
@@Kevino0o0o well jerax is the backbone of TI8-TI9 OG. So, technically speaking without him their chances of winning a 3rd TI is pretty low
I agree 100% with this, I'm so sad when Jerax got retired. I mean, I respect His decision... but man.. we do lost a great player
True, jerax rotations made a difference he is always there for topson to assist him when he struggles at lane.
i think when comes to Ti, saksa are very underperformed compared to his previous match before Ti, he looks so clueless when he enter in the Ti arena
I like how they needed 2 tapes to fit in the Ceeeeeeeeeeeeb
as a liquid fans this is breaking my heart, liquid actually winning
but topson destroy it with his geniuses
They werent winning. They just had a temporary lead until IO hit it's timings.
They literally ask Puppey what he think about Topson . 😂
Seriously did Puppey still salty on topson? He called him flopson..lol
And he proceeded to call him smart. Do you even know what salty means? Or does it not have any meaning anymore since everything seems to be "salty"
they had a pub match together and Puppey told Topson to kill himself
its just a friendly banter that's all xd
People thinks puppey genuinly hate topson lmao. These people are idiots. A bunch of whinning redditors and twitter karens who calls a player a trash and hypocrite because trashtalking is automatically a sin in a online fucking game.
"The International Grand Finals is a strange place to try unorthodox builds."
Me, remembering that Dendi's first game as Enigma is TI Grand Finals: *Yep, it's unorthodox.*
Basic game mindset: counter build👍🔥
Legendary Topson & Nine, both super best creative Mid players in Dota history
ana so strong in this game bro
That's why you need to play pub like he did...😂
this guy invent the whole "dumb" meta by himself.
-meme hammer invoker
-mid morphling
-diffu gyro
-and if i remember correctly there is a game that he goes radiance on monkey king
getting harsh word by puppey, ridiculed by caster and even labeled as "Flopson and/or Godson", the guy that either being a god in game or a flop in game.
then later, he goes win 2 TI's back to back with an very exiting gameplay.
what a legend.
Since when is mid morphing dumb?
@@adm1ralad1 it was when shotgoun morph getting nerfed.
carry wouldnt play morph and topson is still picking him at mid.
@@schneeraizor7020 Shotgun morph is still strong. You go E Blade and you're in business. You don't play a lot of Morhphling if you think Morph mid is a joke. Morph wants lvl 3, is a pretty good laner and can farm small mid camps without troubles. You just don't play Morphling if you think you can't go mid with it. Morph goes even in all mid matchups but 2 specific counters. Even then, he can rotate back to front and stack jungle camps to make up for the denies.
@@remyboivin5837 im not talking nowadays meta.
im talking about the time that topson abusing mid morphling when everyone doesnt.
basically it was him to regularize mid morph back in the day while everyone still doing ember veil.
OG are also the team who 1st picking tiny for mid or 4th back when everyone think tiny is average.
what im saying is, OG.TOPSON is basically a revolutioner.
@@schneeraizor7020 Regarding Tiny you're so wrong. Tiny was overpowered not because it was broken but because it was a flex pick. It still is. Tiny is my main, always has been. The hero got me to Immortal. What was strong about Tiny was that you could secure mid lane in the worst matchup or fling it as a 4 and only buy Blink and play the positioning game and disruption anti-counter. Mid Morph was played prior to Topson even being on the good players map. Mid Morph is just not seen a lot because most players are trash. Mid Morph requires an extensive understanding of the game. Morph as a whole is really hard to pilot. You need to know the kits of each hero and how to play them on the fly.
who is here after topson win against betboom when he pick rubick and buy a maelstrom in riyadmasters 2024?
even nigma players are impressed by that build 😁
man puppey giving the compliment is hard to comprehend after seeing him trashtalk topson in a pub game
Fucking Topson
-MC @final TI9
Bristleback was the jenga brick to crumple the tower. He relies on every lick of mana so someone like Gyro draining him of his mana means that Secret was completely down their main frontliner. Even with Guardian Angel the BB still gets his mana burned and is completely useless, allowing the rest of OG to clean up the others and wreak havoc now that it’s a 5v4 and one turtle without any offensive power.
Genius plays. We always forget to adapt and overcome and try something different when risk is what makes Dota, Dota.
*Liquid, not Secret
Next Years International Archive : *EZ GAME*
guys why dont u see this comment
GODSON alright. GIVE THIS MAN AN MVP ICON ALREADY
puppey commending "flopson" hahahahah
Topson heard Notail's "Everything can work" mantra
I once bought Diffu on my Windranger, it ended up being a good choice and it won me the game. It was also against a Bristleback, mind you.
Where's my Dota archive? ☹️
Jk guys
Hahahah