Explaining Neoclassical Darkwave
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- Опубліковано 1 бер 2024
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Dead Can Dance
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In The Nursery
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Sopor Aeternus & The Ensemble of Shadows
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Die Verbannten Kinder Evas
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Dark Sanctuary
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Elend
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Anna Von Hausswolff
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Lingua Ignota
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Hollow Knight (Soundtrack)
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Cool berserk shirt
As a huge fan (and nerd) of Classical music - I can offer a bit more info. The broad term "Classical music" itself doesn't actually have a super CLEAR definition but I can say one thing for sure - the development of Classical music is INTRINSICALLY linked to the development of sheet music.
That's why it was able to develop such high levels of complexity compared to Folk music - sheet music affords composers the ability to be "architects" - whereas Folk music relies upon everyone playing everything by ear - consequently limiting how complex and "architectural" the music can be.
In the realm of Classical music - the term "Classical" can also refer to the "Classical Period" - composers like Mozart, Haydn and early Beethoven were from this period. It's the period that came along after the Baroque period. Baroque music was very contrapuntal and ornate - and the Classical period streamlined everything - it was more linear, more based on clear melodies, less counterpoint.
In terms of "emotional expression" - it was expressive to an extent but "form" and "balance" were prized above expression.
Beethoven would be the composer that ushered in the "Romantic era" - where form and balance were stretched to their limits and emotional expression was sought above all else.
Over a century later, in the early 1900's - after the Romantic period had reached it's peak and "modernism" had taken hold - a number of composers developed an interest in "Neoclassicism" - where their music looked back to the style of Mozart, Haydn etc. in some ways.
Not replicating the music exactly - they put a "modern" spin on it - compare Prokofiev's "Classical symphony" to an actual Haydn symphony to hear the difference.
So - that is the definition of Neoclassical in the "Classical music world" - but Neoclassical in the "Popular music world" - ie. Neoclassical guitar shredders, or Neoclassical Darkwave - just refers to the music using any form of Classical music as a whole - as an influence and element in the music.
For example - Neoclassical Darkwave could be influenced by the film scores of John Williams - which count as "Classical music" - but if you actually composed Classical music in the style of John Williams it would sound absolutely insane to call it Neoclassical - because in the Classical music world - Neoclassical has a more specific meaning that dictates it must have influence from music of a very specific period.
I'm not sure how relevant this essay is to anyone watching this video but I thought I'd clarify - as a "Classical Nerd" I always like to emphasize that there are 2 different definitions depending on the context. 😁
I would call "Contemporary classical" modern music like orchestral/epic music or film score like Hans Zimmer
Within the Realm of a Dying Sun is an absolutely magnificent album. I would watch a whole video on that album alone.
Love that Coil record on display!
I never clicked so fast ! I love Neoclassical Darkwave. I'm glad you mentioned Dark Sanctuary which is one of my favorite band. About other bands that you didn't mentioned : I like Artesia, Dargaard, Arcana, Ataraxia, The Protagonist, Chaostar, Penitent... which are not only Neoclassical Darkwave but embrace other genres such as industrial or dark ambient for exemple.
By the way, if you wish to continue explaining non-metal stuff, Dungeon Synth maybe, if you like it.
I've made a Neoclassical Darkwave playlist on Deezer but I'll only link it if anyone's interested.
Into a number of those and some of the ones he mentioned since well over twenty years at this point. Don't really know to much that has happened since than.
Hell yeah love your Horse Rotorvator LP on the background 🙏
"Ugly and Vengeful" by Annah Von Hausswolff is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. The first time I listened to it it made me literally cry of joy, and I clearly remember making my grandfather experience the live video: he was stunned, and he loved it.
"Remnants of a Deeper Purity" by Black Tape for a Blue Girl is surely a personal favourite within neoclassical darkwave. I love how it is able to blur the line between chamber music and pure ambient music: tracks like "For You Will Burn Your Wings Upon the Sun" are downward spirals into darkness. There are even moments that sound like the most ethereal new age: simply blissful
Just a correction: classical music made in modern times is modern classical. Neoclassical is music that resembles classical music but using contemporary instruments and influences
I just recently got into Neoclassical dark wave through Dead Can Dance and Lingua Ignota (shocking, I know), and one thing that fascinates me about its development is how is its own thing, but also it co-exists with goth music and post-industrial, as many bands started as post-punk or goth rock, or neofolk and martial industrial artists frequently dabble in neoclassical dark wave in some fashion, so it's a style of music that's distinct yet versatile in a way not a lot of genres of music are.
Also, since you mentioned Hollow Knight which I agree its great, as is the soundtrack. Another similar game is Blasphemous, pretty much also a Metroidvania styled game, but it's entire aesthetic and soundtrack is a Francisco Goya painting come to life and the soundtrack is also appropriately and straight up neoclassical dark wave. Highly recommended.
Dude, I'm just getting into this music and was feeling lost. Thank you so much for the excellent overview.
great to see that Anna is still getting recognition in 2024
Weird isn't it? I think I met one person my whole life who knew SA. Truly was a Goddess to me as a youth.
The first song I heard by Dead Can Dance was Ulysses. I give my older brother credit for that. And turning me on to the Cocteau Twins as well
No mention of Arcana? That would be the "go to" act for me in terms of the 2000-s and onward along with Eldend.
Thanks for the recommendations. Listened to "Die verbannten Kinder Evas" and "Dark Sanctuary" very often, will check out the others
hey dude, taking advantage of the hook, both due to the family relationship and you mentioning Dead Can Dance's first album, I think it would be very interesting for you to explore Etherealwave (aka Ethereal Darkwave or just Ethereal), it is a sister style to Neoclassical Darkwave that focuses in the sound of Darkwave in this dark ethereal tone very based on the dense and heavy atmosphere of Gothic Rock, adding textures and psychedelic effects, an ancestor to Shoegaze and a kind of gothic cousin of Dream Pop
I'm so glad you're covering this genre, it's so interesting and beautiful. I was binging it for a while last year. Of course, genre staples like Lingua Ignota, Dead Can Dance, and Anna Von Hausswolff are fantastic (Lingy's discography is one of my favorites of all time), but even smaller artists such as Artesia, Hexperos, and All My Faith Lost make some truly haunting music
Really enjoy these explaining videos as they put me onto a lot of different "new to me" music. Keep it up man, love the channel! Also, you have one of the most chill comments sections too lol
I do agree about; "fantasy movie, dream-like, sword & sorcery, goth-tone etc..." was wonderful to discover.
Sounds like some stuff that is right up my alley so to speak, I'll give these all a look on my drive to and back from work this coming week for sure!
also i'm totally down for you to make more videos about other genres than metal, neofolk is one i know you like that would be good to do a deep dive video like this
Now I just need to combine this genre with blackgaze, drone, deathened indie country, and Sri Lankan war metal, and my ears will be pleased.
Thanks! I feel like I would like this genre ! I’m going to look into it 🃏
Les fleurs du mal is one of my favorite records.of all time so I think it's time to give a listen to these other bands/albums that you mentioned
Oh wow, this man actually got himself a vinyl copy of Horse Rotorvator! I didn't know you were a big fan because that must have cost a fortune.
Furthermore, as far as Neoclassical Darkwave is concerned, Coil is honestly a band fairly closely related to the genre. Their compilation Moon's Milk is their biggest hidden gem and features elements of the genre the most. Another worthy hidden gem is Japanese artist Jun Konagaya (also famous under the name Grim for his Noise albums) and the album Travel. Absolutely worth scoping out!
Outside of metal my favorite span of genres is on the continuum of Goth Rock/Darkwave/Neo-Classical/Dark Ambient/Dungeon Synth/EBM which all these great bands and so many more fall into
Forgot to mention Ethereal as well 🤦 some of the greatest genres of dark music outside Extreme Metal
In my memory, the style has been interwoven with metal for many years. I remember in the mid 90's reading about Elend, Die Verbannten Kinder Evas and Arcana (along with more stuff on the Cold Meat Industry label) in metal mags, odd that it seems to only get more notice these last few years. Personally, I have a bit of a mixed relation with it: there's great stuff that I certainly love, but it can also veer dangerously close to that "about to disappear up their own ass" edge.
EDIT: the soundtrack for F.F. Coppola's Dracula also aided in establishing some groundwork. At least as I see it.
Malice Mizer's Bara no Seidou is an absolute masterpiece in this genre
I was familiar with some of these but not all. A few bands that are closer to gothic but similar to Sopor Aeternus would be Die Form and Black Tape For a Blue Girl.
After watching this, I absolutely have to mention Darkher, too. She sits in a bit of a grey area between gothic folk, doom metal, and neoclassical darkwave that I absolutely love. Her use of massive cello sounds underneath her wispy, ethereal voice is genius. The shorter lengths of her albums also make for easier starting points for the genre, since neo-wave artists tend to make very long records
I when from punk to Neo-Folk & Neo-Classic/Plain Weird.
Bands from: Death in June, Current 93, Legendary Pink Dots, DCD, In the Nursery, Will etc...
Virgin Prunes or Cindytalk?
@@patrickbertlein4626 Virgin Prunes had more "darkwave tone". I love me some "Pagan Love Song".
and Nurse With Wound
Tear Garden
Psychic TV
while not exactly neoclassical darkwave but with some elements, i have to recommend to everyone here a very underrated hungarian band, "Öröm" with some amazing tracks (the whole first album, "8", is awesome). the atmosphere their music has is extraordinary.
great work
I'm glad you tried to explain this complex hybrid of two genres (neo-classical and darkwave). It is a music strongly influenced by the goth subculture and is not much preferred by metalheads. Apart from me, Killbot&GorGorAttack, Noctilucant and you Wyatt, I don't know any metalhead on youtube who would give these genres a chance.
Anyway, as a black metalhead, I found these genres in 2000. Back then, as a 15-year-old fagan, I listened to CoF, Dimmu and Emperor, and somehow I came across an album by Mortiis, who I found out played bass in Emperor. Unfortunately he wasn't good at it, so he was kicked out of the band, but Ihsahn helped him record a demo and one of the first dungeon synth things was created (even though we called it medieval dark ambient back then lol). And from Mortiis I jumped down the deep rabbit hole of dark ambient and darkwave music and found my favorite bands like Arcana and Die Verbannten Kinder Evas.
Sorry for my rambling, but it's nice to see another metalhead who knows other genres, especially the obscure ones.
Black metal enjoyer here (which doesn't mean that much, given the fact that we are in the comment section of a Wyatt's video), and I've always loved the fact that there are some links between black metal and this kind of sombre chamber gothic music (especially through dungeon synth). It just enhances the idea that black metal can, indeed, be quite "otherwordly", and I'm all for it.
@@enri_mucca I'm glad that there are more black metalheads who are not only "true kvlt" posers and gatekeepers and who enjoy music first and foremost.
Yes, dungeon synth is a nice proof that black metal is not influenced by thrash and death metal, but also by electronic music (e.g. Mortiis and Burzum liked ambient things like Tangerine Dream. Also see Fenriz's side project Neptune Towers).
@@DarkLxrd Exactly! Black metal has the fame to be quite conservative sound and attitude-wise, bu at the same time many forget that since its beginnings it was a genre open to various sources: for example, Euronymous acknowledged Diamanda Galas as spiritually black metal (and asked Conrad Schnitzler for Silvester Anfang), and a lot of the og Norway bands have anyway absorbed various kinds of influences during their career (without quoting the obvious and extreme example of Ulver). And if we get to the 2000s, here we have too many acts with kvlt cred that clearly took inspiration from different things while firmly being black metal bands (Weakling, Thorns, Negura Bunget, ...) or going beyond that (e.g. Gnaw Their Tongues). But then: what would you expect from a genre that has in Burzum one of its pioneers? Black metal was "doomed" to expanding itself while still remaining kvlt since the beginning (yeah, I know I'm only talking about second wave and yada yada...).
It surprises me a little, since many early neoclassical darkwave in the 90s were coming from metal: Elend, Arcana, Dark sanctuary...
even some of the more ethereal folk (that were played on neoclassical goth online radio stations when i found the genre in the early 2000s) : Irfan, Daemonia Nymphe, Narsilion, Trobar de Morte, The Moon & the Nightsprit...
most of those bands, i would find them listed with all of their basic info on metal websites.
I was coming from the gothic post-punk/gothic rock branch of dark music. I immediately loved the sounds and atmospheres of neoclassical darkwave.
Then i found early gothic metal/gothic doom also incorporated the sound in some tracks. Which I loved too.
DVKE have made some of my favourite tunes ever. Its' existence, especially Dusk & Void just makes me appreciate the Summoning boys even more.
Thank you for reminding me to play Hollow Knight, so many people have been recommending me to play it haha
I love these explaining videos… If I can request an artist it would be Striborg….
in the nursery, DCD, Elend, Dark Sanctuary
I'm not sure I would agree Sopor Aeternus is Neoclassical Darkwave but I understand why you would put them in that category. Neoclassical yes but not so much Darkwave. With that said, I fucking ADORE the earlier material, especially the Dead Lovers Sarabanade albums. Its pretty cool over twenty years later to see how many have gotten into her music, and in general seeing someone talk about music that I loved so much when I was younger! Never would have guessed back than honestly, always seemed no one talked about these bands.
Never knew Summoning was your favorite Black metal band! Always said them, Falkenbach, and Windir are my favorites and where I have always been at with the genre.
This is the most wyatt video ever
I fangirled so hard when you brought up Hollow Knight, it's been one of my favorite games for years
Very good. Perhaps you can do neoliberal darkwave next?
Elend is/was half French, half Austrian. If I remember correctly some band members were based in Innsbruck at some point.
eyy a berserk fan
also sopor aeternus mentioned 👀
Will you do Martial Industrial one day??
Glad you mentioned Hollow Knight, literally just got the Hollow Knight OST added to my vinyl collection the other day, 10/10 game with a 10/10 soundtrack.
Enid - Abschiedsreigen
This album is black metal with highly influenced with neoclassical darwave that was realy good.
Their second album, Seleenspiegel has the same spirit and is also worth checking out. The band Enid is a hidden gem indeed
With Anna Von Hausswolff I agree with Dead Magic not fitting into the genre perfectly, although her earlier album Ceremony would seem like a good fit
Dungeon synth coming from black metal musicians, was an interesting turning point. Example, Austrian BM becoming Dargaard and DVKE. About 15 years ago, I thought that genre could have prospects but many bands just faded out. For some musicians, those acts were just a side project. And it wasn’t the thing that would gain too much attention too quickly. Not made for dance floors, suitable only conditionally for goth clubs...I mean it was great music in some cases, but there was no big company, underproduced, cheap sounding synths at points with just 3 or 4 instruments like flute, violin, cello or piano would have made a huge difference, many acts never played live...my main impression of ncdw is generally this. A genre that deserved better.
Ali Project comes to mind.
uhh berserk, explain trad goth next!
Wyatt do you like dungeon synth? If so I would love an explaining dungeon synth vid
These videos will be studied in 300 years
I think Devil Doll (the Italian-Slovenian band with Mr. Doctor) deserves a mention here, although it's a much more eclectic mix of genres than neoclassical darkwave. It might deserve its own video even!
A few years ago I was so tempted to do a video on that project
Hello, I’m wanting to start a neoclassical dark wave project but am kind of struggling writing it as it’s a rather new style to me. Anyone have any tips of any kind? Thank you
She neo on my classical til I darkwave
Do you maybe plan on making a video about occult rock?
Honestly my goal at this point is to do as much as I can about everything
@@wyattxhim and I am looking forward!
Could you do an explanation of Shoegaze?
I plan on doing “explanations” for literally everything I know
@wyattxhim That's good to hear, I also strongly recommend a Shoegaze/Psychedelic album called "Wonderer" by Sunbeam Sound Machine. It's their debut full-length album, and it's filled with an overwhelming amount of emotion. I listened to it during the happiest and most depressing moments of my life. I always recommend it to people, and whether they end up liking it or not, it's a great listen.
Explain Dystopia
Aghhh! why is Horse Rotorvator and Scatology not on Spotify??
When I first heard the name Dead Can Dance back in the '80s I thought they were a blatantly commercial pop band, because I thought it was "Dad Can Dance" which would have been a real cringey band name.
Nice shirt bro, now make a video explaining how I never did anything wrong.
within th realm of a dying sun is so fcking good, also dead magic :)
Garden of the Arcane Delights, Serpent's Egg
albert?
Do you know Ashram, Wyatt?
Explaining Neoclassical Darkwave
Ok
Bladee
@@alugilac8182hell no thats garbage
Explaining NSBM when? Let's see what UA-cam thinks about that lmao
No im first