“You can change the battle position of a monster the turn it was summoned if it wasn’t your monster” Stuff like this is what makes me feel like Yugioh was a fundamentally broken game from the start, because that just doesn’t intuitively make sense and is such a needless exception. Thanks for the video, the information is equally helpful and frustrating lmao.
@MiezMiez__ since yugioh doesnt use the term summoning sickness, i guess the ability to change position is implied to be given to the player rather than the card.
it's just because back then the rule was "YOU cannot change the battle position of a monster the turn YOU summoned it", now it's just "monster's battle position cannot be changed the turn it was summoned"
@@starshkr46 oh for sure, they were winging it; keep in mind the Manga was never intended to focus on cards... the card game just caught readers attention so much, they realized if they zeroed in on it they had a cash cow.
I hate the miss timing thing. I'm glad most stuff in goat is mandatory. The missed timing thing in my opinion is one if the dumbest rules. Makes things needlessly complicated
Yu gi oh design is flawed on his basis, that's why after goat it got in fucked up style, generic cards had to be stopped in favor of archetypal cards cause there's no reason why people wouldn't end up playing mostly the same deck, yet most format get tier 0 decks, Yu gi oh is at its best in goat
Something else to note about thousand eye restrict is, and this matters for other cards as well, if it was summoned off metemorphisis and then goes to the GY you can't summon it from there.
The shoddy text of early yugioh did a lot of damage in helping people understand some of these issues, as rulings would directly contradict what would be said on the card and non-intuitive issues weren't explained in the manual like missing the timing. Take spirit reaper for example, the first text said "When this card is specifically designated as a target of the effect of a Magic, Trap, or Effect Monster Card, this card is immediately destroyed." Kinda hard to fault players when the card said "designated as a target" and "immediately" right there but a ruling said otherwise. It was only during the xyz era when Konami finally started to tighten up their text and eliminating such ambiguities.
Also, if "Spirit Reaper" is Special Summoned with "Premature Burial" or "Call of the Haunted", "Spirit Reaper" is destroyed after it is Special Summoned because it is targeted by an effect. And you can't activate "Torrential Tribute" to its Special Summon.
huh really? I'd assume since it was targeted in grave the effect would not be valid. And I'm sure you could tribute, because he was summoned either way.
@@jamesnesran2348 I'm not 100% sure if this is the reason why but my best guess is it misses its timing. The destruction of reaper doesn't activate so you can't chain torrential, and torrential is a "when" effect so you can't activate it if the last action was the destruction of spirit reaper.
2 more questions for reaper: spirit reaper dies if someone use an equip spell on him? The answer is Yes. Spirit reaper die if targeted by thousand eyes restrict? the answer is No.
peten will trigger over graceful charity and deliquent duo,a chain does not make a card miss timing peten can just participate in the chain a lot of player confuse that, if sangan and peten goes to the grave simultaniously it just starts a chain,discanding peten for turn will trigger him,you can banish the last peten and shuffle deck if you want for some reason
People often miss that Reaper need to hit with a direct attack in order to trigger its discard effect, thus running over attack position Night Assailant or goat tokens doesn't work. I guess reading cards is hard
I admit I tend to forget thousand eyes stops monsters from manually changing position, at least one opponent has typed a bit of frustration to me trying to put a monster in Def position while I have a thousand eyes out.
This is Chain Links 101. Chain Link 1: Mirror Force Chain Link 2: Royal Decree Royal Decree resolves first since it's last in the chain, which means it's already negating other Traps when Mirror Force resolves so Mirror Force is negated. The first card in is the last card out.
@Izorist94 Yeah i had a judge rule as turn player to set up first, I also asked ACP in a another videos and he also said the same thing. You would be surprised how much people get away with this
1:28 strange, I thought if you book a 1000eyes the effect will go through because it doesn't negate, it just flips the monster. But if you book a morphing jar that is about to resolve its flip effect... players discard or not?
It's a ruling specific to Thousand-Eyes Restrict and Relinquished (or anything else that equips monsters). Book doesn't stop Morphing Jar from resolving.
Both effects trigger when tsuk is summoned. So it would go CL1 Tusk, CL2 Tiger. Tsuk dies and Tiger goes facedown. This is assuming the turn player summons Tsuk and the opponent controls Tiger. I think if you summon Tsuk and also control Tiger, then you can choose the order of the chain. So you could go CL1 Tiger, CL2 Tusk. Then Tsuk would flip Tiger facedown and prevent its effect from resolving. (I'm not 100% sure if this is how it works in goats)
I really dont get royal oppression. why cant it work during damage step? also why can't it chain to a summons and negate it like...literally any other trap could (I'm guessing since it is spell speed 2 not 3 but thats still iffy).
Peten of dark clown two card Other card say discard up three card Royal oppression can't be used in damage step but Ufo turtle, shining angel, mystic tamoto and giant rats can't us royal oppression
since the effect of recruiter monsters activate in the damage step. neither player can activate effects of cards unless the effects change the attack or defense of a monster, like injection fairy lily for example
Who summons first off cyber jar, is it the opponent of turn player? I'm basing it off the ruling of, after crashing tomatoes, the turn player can wait until the opponent summons then make their choice based on the opponent's choice.
It's viable, but also overrated. It's not as good vs combo as some people think it is. You need to have synergy with something like Mobius to really punish anyone.
What if your opponent CL1 activates curse of darkness and you CL2 MST to destroy it? Do you take 1000 or does CoD have to resolve to start taking effect? Like CL1 royal decree CL2 dust tornado would still destroy royal decree
@@ln8496 not unless there was a text change by KONAMI that the new text says "target" and im pretty sure konami didn't miss any that they didnt intend on changing.
You can attempt to summon if you're tributing the card that is preventing you from completing the summon (in Goat Format). It works the same way with regards to Rivalry of the Warlords, and this ruling wasn't changed until many years after Goat Format.
“You can change the battle position of a monster the turn it was summoned if it wasn’t your monster”
Stuff like this is what makes me feel like Yugioh was a fundamentally broken game from the start, because that just doesn’t intuitively make sense and is such a needless exception.
Thanks for the video, the information is equally helpful and frustrating lmao.
@MiezMiez__ since yugioh doesnt use the term summoning sickness, i guess the ability to change position is implied to be given to the player rather than the card.
Not sure if broken is the right word, but there were definitely many dark areas in the rules that Konami filled up as they went along
it's just because back then the rule was "YOU cannot change the battle position of a monster the turn YOU summoned it", now it's just "monster's battle position cannot be changed the turn it was summoned"
@@starshkr46 oh for sure, they were winging it; keep in mind the Manga was never intended to focus on cards... the card game just caught readers attention so much, they realized if they zeroed in on it they had a cash cow.
Not really? This is nowhere near the idiotic nightmare that is post-Master Rules 4 YGO (MR3 sucked too, but by now it's just egregious).
I hate the miss timing thing. I'm glad most stuff in goat is mandatory. The missed timing thing in my opinion is one if the dumbest rules. Makes things needlessly complicated
yep
If nerf stuff. Just like trap have to be set first
Skill issue bro
@@MisterJ355 No, not skill issue stupid design
Yu gi oh design is flawed on his basis, that's why after goat it got in fucked up style, generic cards had to be stopped in favor of archetypal cards cause there's no reason why people wouldn't end up playing mostly the same deck, yet most format get tier 0 decks, Yu gi oh is at its best in goat
Something else to note about thousand eye restrict is, and this matters for other cards as well, if it was summoned off metemorphisis and then goes to the GY you can't summon it from there.
The shoddy text of early yugioh did a lot of damage in helping people understand some of these issues, as rulings would directly contradict what would be said on the card and non-intuitive issues weren't explained in the manual like missing the timing.
Take spirit reaper for example, the first text said "When this card is specifically designated as a target of the effect of a Magic, Trap, or Effect Monster Card, this card is immediately destroyed." Kinda hard to fault players when the card said "designated as a target" and "immediately" right there but a ruling said otherwise. It was only during the xyz era when Konami finally started to tighten up their text and eliminating such ambiguities.
Also, if "Spirit Reaper" is Special Summoned with "Premature Burial" or "Call of the Haunted", "Spirit Reaper" is destroyed after it is Special Summoned because it is targeted by an effect. And you can't activate "Torrential Tribute" to its Special Summon.
huh really? I'd assume since it was targeted in grave the effect would not be valid. And I'm sure you could tribute, because he was summoned either way.
@@jamesnesran2348
I'm not 100% sure if this is the reason why but my best guess is it misses its timing.
The destruction of reaper doesn't activate so you can't chain torrential, and torrential is a "when" effect so you can't activate it if the last action was the destruction of spirit reaper.
Should have included Last Will and Last Turn
I put those cards in the category of, "No one actually knows how they work, but we still manage to almost always resolve them correctly."
@@GoatDuels hahaha fair enough. Nice video man
Or good reason to make a "part 2"
2 more questions for reaper: spirit reaper dies if someone use an equip spell on him? The answer is Yes. Spirit reaper die if targeted by thousand eyes restrict? the answer is No.
wow that last play you mentioned is galaxy brain. thanks!
Another honourable mention: Apprentice Magician
If Reaper is gonna be on the list, it warrants mention of the Snatch Steal + MST exception.
Does it live or die in this scenario? I'm assuming it lives
peten will trigger over graceful charity and deliquent duo,a chain does not make a card miss timing peten can just participate in the chain a lot of player confuse that, if sangan and peten goes to the grave simultaniously it just starts a chain,discanding peten for turn will trigger him,you can banish the last peten and shuffle deck if you want for some reason
what happen if TER gets an magician of chaos, does the magican goes removed when leave the field? with for example a giant trunade
People often miss that Reaper need to hit with a direct attack in order to trigger its discard effect, thus running over attack position Night Assailant or goat tokens doesn't work. I guess reading cards is hard
I admit I tend to forget thousand eyes stops monsters from manually changing position, at least one opponent has typed a bit of frustration to me trying to put a monster in Def position while I have a thousand eyes out.
So does royal decree work like oppression? Like if I mirror force can my opponent then decree it?
I was thinking about it just now lol can anybody explain this??
This is Chain Links 101.
Chain Link 1: Mirror Force
Chain Link 2: Royal Decree
Royal Decree resolves first since it's last in the chain, which means it's already negating other Traps when Mirror Force resolves so Mirror Force is negated.
The first card in is the last card out.
Another thing about cyber jar is that both players don't resolve its effect simultaneously.
Do you know who goes first? This sounds pretty important, because your opponents field can impact what your position choices could be
@@ln8496 in such situations the turn player always resolves it's part first
@goat duels please comment on this. Great question. And if one player reveals jowgen, can the other person still summon/set their monsters?
@@LBcash12 for the game mechanic it's considered to happen simultaneously
@Izorist94 Yeah i had a judge rule as turn player to set up first, I also asked ACP in a another videos and he also said the same thing. You would be surprised how much people get away with this
"I do this video because I'm so smart". I feel like "Fuck you", is the right answer.
Do you think you can post the link to the rulings for these interactions?
Could you make a video explaining the effect of Ojama king and how it works exactly?
1:28 strange, I thought if you book a 1000eyes the effect will go through because it doesn't negate, it just flips the monster. But if you book a morphing jar that is about to resolve its flip effect... players discard or not?
It's a ruling specific to Thousand-Eyes Restrict and Relinquished (or anything else that equips monsters). Book doesn't stop Morphing Jar from resolving.
I feel like this is a good place to ask, how do King Tiger Wanghu and Tsukuyomi resolve their effects?
Both effects trigger when tsuk is summoned. So it would go CL1 Tusk, CL2 Tiger. Tsuk dies and Tiger goes facedown. This is assuming the turn player summons Tsuk and the opponent controls Tiger.
I think if you summon Tsuk and also control Tiger, then you can choose the order of the chain. So you could go CL1 Tiger, CL2 Tusk. Then Tsuk would flip Tiger facedown
and prevent its effect from resolving. (I'm not 100% sure if this is how it works in goats)
@@TheStempkik Since both effects are mandatory, you should be able to sort them, and thus prevent tsuk from being destroyed (if wanghu is cl1)
@@TheStempkik wanghu doesnt start a chain just like level limit area b but yes tsuk dies
If i get a dmoc with my TER does it go to the grave or to the banished zone?
Good question. The answer is to the grave.
You can never get DMOC with TER, as Kuriboh will prevent you!
@@GoatDuels you sure? I have seen this question on the official goat discord server a lot and the answer that was always given was banish.
@@vibrantoucan8890 Oh nevermind. It looks like you're probably right.
The problenm is i got my peten from the mivie promo and it doesnt say when you can which means I have a misprint
I really dont get royal oppression. why cant it work during damage step? also why can't it chain to a summons and negate it like...literally any other trap could (I'm guessing since it is spell speed 2 not 3 but thats still iffy).
Today, I am a learner
Peten of dark clown two card
Other card say discard up three card
Royal oppression can't be used in damage step but
Ufo turtle, shining angel, mystic tamoto and giant rats can't us royal oppression
royal oppression can't negate the special summon of mystic tomato like he said in the video, correct?
since the effect of recruiter monsters activate in the damage step. neither player can activate effects of cards unless the effects change the attack or defense of a monster, like injection fairy lily for example
i've seen people play royal oppression in tomato type decks to counter the meta because the card doesn't hurt what your gameplan is trying to do.
Watch the video again. It clearly states that Royal Oppression CANNOT negate the effects of Mystic Tomato/Shining Angel.
OMG!! Very god info 👌
Who summons first off cyber jar, is it the opponent of turn player? I'm basing it off the ruling of, after crashing tomatoes, the turn player can wait until the opponent summons then make their choice based on the opponent's choice.
The turn player summons first off of Cyber Jar. The recruiter scenario is different because you have multiple effects forming a chain.
What happened to ACPs channel?
Peten is also good against delinquent duo
Is your goat simulator publicly available? I'd pick it up
What about Anti-Spell Fragrance? Is it viable in Goat Format? (it seems very good in modern format)
It's viable, but also overrated. It's not as good vs combo as some people think it is. You need to have synergy with something like Mobius to really punish anyone.
What if your opponent CL1 activates curse of darkness and you CL2 MST to destroy it? Do you take 1000 or does CoD have to resolve to start taking effect? Like CL1 royal decree CL2 dust tornado would still destroy royal decree
Curse of Darkness won't resolve; 1000 damage will not be inflicted.
Does anyone know when the ruling changed so that Relinquished or TER destroy the monster attempted to be equipped when they are booked/destroyed etc?
Sometime around early 2008, I believe.
literally noone i played knows how wanghu works even outside of goat, if im lucky i can explain it to them by comparing it to level limit area b
Good point. Wanghu is definitely unintuitive for less experienced players.
Good video
Why doesn't spirit reaper destroy itself after creature swap resolution?
Creature Swap does not target the monster when using its effect. Reaper is only destroyed when targeted.
@@HucksterYT doh of course
@@ThatGuyThai if a card doesn't say "target" then it doesnt target. target=target choose or any other word means it doesn't target
@@shaunvalverde6710 hehehe… “select” on some oldschool cards can mean target
@@ln8496 not unless there was a text change by KONAMI that the new text says "target" and im pretty sure konami didn't miss any that they didnt intend on changing.
How can you use last warrior for a tribute summon when you can't attempt to summon. that makes no sense.
You can attempt to summon if you're tributing the card that is preventing you from completing the summon (in Goat Format). It works the same way with regards to Rivalry of the Warlords, and this ruling wasn't changed until many years after Goat Format.
@@GoatDuels Cool I didn't know that
What about spirit reaper and soul exchange?
Soul Exchange doesn't target anything.
It just allows the player using it to tribute an opposing monster.
@@DustyGlandonit does and reaper gets destroyed.
nice video
lol