Why people form hierarchies
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
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Yaron Brook is an objectivist. Yoram Hazony is a national conservative. This is a conversation and debate about national conservatism vs individualism.
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The Portuguese urge to say "PORTUGAL CARALHOOO" everytime we are slightly mentioned.
Yo why is the portugal futeboll team in the thumbnail?
Same question I had? Maybe because it’s a metaphor for a Hierarchy.Portugal definitely looks the part.
@@darkgreenrifleman4871 i kinda get what you are saying, but how?
@@larrythecableguy6384 As small as Portugal is, at one point they were one of the most influential Empires in the world 🌍. Influence on a world stage speaks to their ability to form hierarchical situations 🌎. Their futbol teams are more reflective of that physically and genealogicaly. Just a theory.
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The religious guy isn’t wrong but what he describes would apply to people who don’t change. Reality around us changes all the time, faster than ever, and I think liberals take that into account and see value in approaching the problem from a perspective of an individual since it’s more predictable.
Both of these guys need to study spiral dynamics. It would sort out their thinking in one hour.
Something else is the adversity to discussing the potential necessity for blood shed. .. Sometimes conflict breads rule changes and adaptation .
Oh god, that might be the cringiest comment here. You’re not facing any adversity buddy as keyboard warrior buddy, calm down
I just feel the whole argument "conservatives realize the emergent properties of xyz" is a straw man argument. If you distill the conservative POV in the USA (and potentially, conservative in general) politics, it's actually much more regressive and far less imaginative: conservatives are deeply concerned with in-group loyalty, to the very extent that the fringe element is willing to sacrifice themselves and their cherished elders to the pandemic. E.g. somewhere in that mix, group loyalty overrides, with a kind of outpouring of toxic mean-spiritedness, our long and trusted (and, now, obviously and sadly tenuous) relationship with science, rationality, and critical thinking -- all of which are the cornerstones of humanism and human enlightenment.
In-group loyalty -- the hierarchies, the politics, the unreasonable kowtowing to a top dog on merit of arbitrary characteristics, i.e. charisma and entrenched power -- results from a series of evolved instincts that helped our simian ancestors survive for millions of years, but which are fundamentally at odds with our notion of ourselves as humans: creatures of reason and deep compassion and imagination. These instincts have been clearly and transparently manipulated by charlatans and lackeys of strong and quite often myopic leaders since recorded history.
I suppose the "evolutionary traditionalists", a term I'm going to apply to Hazony, will say "why screw around with a good thing?" But clearly science is one of the most successful tools humans have developed to counteract the pernicious effects of instinctual bias and cognitive defects in our individual brains. And clearly, this desire to remain loyal to the big dog hierarchy is just one more cognitive defect hindering the rational human's emergence, something not to be celebrated but overcome.
Thanks for sharing this
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