I've been married four times, dozens of relationships, and it all comes down to this! I freakin love my 901! When we disagree, I get back up and we're back in love in no time at all.
I really like this review. I had aimed myself in on another bike but now this looks very interesting. I may be a bit Bias, Huskvarna, the city is located about 60 km from my house. Yes, I know Husqvarna motorcycles now are made by KTM. Liked and subscribed. Stretam put
I am biased as well personallu, I just looove the design so much, and KTM performance is killer, but will talk about everything good and bad in my 901 long term review. Currently at 28k kms. I am thinking in a month or two I will be doing that long term review finally, but for any additional questions, hit me up on insta if you want. Cheers!
Not sure about the Standard model but the TC and ABS on the Expedition are on another level from all the bikes I owned prior. I run TC and ABS off-road and they never hinder my abilities.
I just ordered my expedition. Love on first ride. So easy to handle after my Tiger Explorer but still very comfortable. Its main reason why i not choose tenere
Yes the difference is crazy. T7 has that top-heavy design that makes it harder to flick in tight situations, and then there is power, and stock crash resistance, and stock suspension, and comfort.. everything in favor of Norden 901. It is a touring motorcycle that handles dirt better than some dirt-oriented bikes. I was in the saloon sitting on black T7 ready to buy it, decided to wait after the winter and then Norden appeared. Never looked back after that. Thanks for the watch 🙌
Pozdrav . Odlican ti je review , a ja vec danima gledam youtube bas mi se svidja ovaj 901 Expedition model i ozbiljno se mislim da ga narucim novog . Ali u svom tom istrazivanju naleteh na gomilu komentara da im se bregasta osteti na delu gde potiskuje ventil i to na nekoj maloj kilometrazi tipa 15000km . Sad vidim da si ti presao vec 50.000 pa kontam jednom si sigurno stelovao ventile . Msm predpostavlaljam "zapravo nadam se" da nisu sve bregaste takvog kvaliteta pa eto znacilo bi mi da neko ko vozi motor da neki komentar po tom pitanju . Bas bi mi bilo zao da odustanem od motora posto u mojim ocima mu ne vidim konkurenciju : izgled, komfort , two-up . Sve mu je nekako odmereno i taman koliko treba a o opremi da ne pricam TOP .
Nije trebalo stelovanje ventila kad smo proveravali. Odradicu uskoro i drugu proveru, (sad sam na 54.000). Nema konkurenciju bajk za te pare, u svim segmentima kida konkurenciju. Probao sam i DX i Afriku 1100 i par razlicitih Tenera 700.. Jedina sa cime moze da se poredi je 890 od KTMa, ali sa obzirom na udobnost i izgled, mislim da i dalje nema konkurenciju.
Da to je odlična informacija da nije bilo potrebe za stelovanjem . Msm moguće da jednostavno neke bregaste su dosle sa falinkom pa prave problem. Sto se tice KTM njega inače obozavam ali 890 je jednostavno previse off road I uopste nije lep sto mi je cudno obicno mi se svidjaju KTM . Afrika mi se svidja na izgled I lepo se sedi u njoj ima visok i sirok korman ali Norden mi je puno lepši , douse nisam probao Afriku da bih znao . Mada ja sa bilo kojima od tih motora planiram vise touring sa blagim izletima preko makadama nikako neki ozbiljan Off . Ti vidim da ga teras muski .
@@TrenutnoNedostupan Probaj i Afriku i Nordena. Na Nordenu se sedi vise "na" motoru nego "u", i definitivno ti treba veliki vetrobran sa Expeditiona ako ti je prioritet turing. Ali Norden je i dalje udobniji, laksi 30-50kila (u zavisnosti od toga koju Afriku gledas i da li stavljas crash-barove), mnogo nize teziste, i vesanje par kategorija iznad Afrike. Da mi neko pokloni Africoku, prodao bi je instant i opet uzeo Nordena jer je raketa :)
Pa ovako. Kao kolega motociklista prosto ne vjerujem kako ranije nisam naletio na ovaj kanal. Wow! Od sadrzaja, preko interesovanja, preko video editinga, izbora muzike, kvaliteta...WOW. Kapa dole druze. Steta sto ne uploadujes cesce. Elem, lomim se dugo oko izbora iduceg motocikla. Posto mi se vecina voznje unazad 4 godine svodi na duge dionice (3 - 4k kilometara) a lomim se na mom starom vjernom Kawasaki ZRX 1100, zelio bih da uzmem nov Adv motocikl, u potpunosti svijestan da je ADV kategorija pomalo sada i naduvana, takoreci SUV u svijetu motociklizma, ali bih uplovio u offroad vode pa time i izbor takvog motocikla. Previse puta sam zastao ispod nekog zamka, neke sumice, neke staze a na sport nejkedu moze samo da se gleda. :) Kopam vec dugo, i prilicno sam temeljan sa tim kao i u svim stvarima koje me obuzmu i manje vise sam rastrgan izmedju sledeceg izbora. -T7, -T7 World Raid, -Norden E, -Afrika otpada zbog tezine i cijene, -890/790 otpadaju radi jezivog iskustva korisnika istog (bar ono sto sam mogao da iskopam po internetu) -DUkati DX je za nase uslove u Srbiji prosto preskup kako cijenom tako i cijenom odrzavanja. -Aprilia TUareg je nekako egzotika za nase prilike. Naravno sve najbolje sam cuo o T7 pogotovo u smislu pouzdanosti, neunistivosti CP2 agregata i nedostatku elektronike koja ide u prilog ovome argumentu o pouzdanosti (Kontra KTM890/790 npr), ali znam da je jako "top heavy" Dok o Nordenu isto sam cuo super stvar, evo kada pogledam ovaj tvoj review isto, ali sam pomalo zabrinut oko tih sitnih KTM naslijedjenih boljki, curenje semeringa, elektronski glupi bagovi, kazu da hoce da pomjesa vodu i ulje sto mi zvuci nekako bas kao KTM department :) To su mozda neke sitnije stvari, ali bi znale da upropaste neko duze putovanje poprilicno. Da li si mozda imao iskustva sa T7 i kako bi uporedio njene varijacije (recimo world raid) sa Nordenom E PS. Norden E je i znacajno skuplji od T7 bar ovdje kod nas u Srbiji :) PPS. Izvini na traktatu od posta i sve najbolje. Samo nastavi ovako :))
pazi, iz iste fabrike su kao ktm, tako da ono... meni je pomesao ulje/vodu na 15k, zamenjen dihtung vodene pumpe u garanciji i sad sam na 42k sa jednim problemom pored tog - sraf glavne osovine (koja ide kroz agregat i swingarm) krenuo da se odvrce sam od vibracija i okretanja motora oko copave, tako da plavi loctite cim dodje iz fabrike i toeto. osim toga nista. 890 i 901 su laksi za baratanje od svih tenki koje sam probao (i wr, i obicna, i obicna sa boljim vesanjem, a i od dx-a, crf1100...) a performansama, vesanjem i udobnoscu 901E je pet kategorija iznad t7, a vala i otpornoscu na padanje - motor je uvucen u rezervoar, rezervoar je jak i ima svoju zastitu, tako da crashbar je vise no nepotreban (cekiraj mi instagram, skontaces). probaj oba ako se lomis izmedju ta dva. ako imas stomak za te neke ktm sitnice, norden bez ikakvog razmisljanja. videces i sam kad probas pa ce da ti bude jasno sve po pitanju centra teze, vesanja i performansi. a ako hoces u aziju da putujes bez da razmisljas o pouzdanosti, onda ni jedan ni drugi, vec crf300 :D dotaci cu se jos detaljno nekih stvari u reviewu, misim da ce biti ovog il sl. meseca, al eto ti te dve boljke sto su se meni desile da mozes lakse da preseces :) poz!
@@stavrozinio U pravu si, moracu da zakazem test voznju oba. Nadam se do iduce godine da cu se sastaviti finansijski :) Elem, kakva je situacija za servis Huskija u Srbiji (Beogradu) ? I dalje si kod njih u oficijalnom servisu ili imas nekoga pouzdanog ko zna da radi Husk/Ktm?
@@0trov_ u Komppu sam (Batajnica samo radi servise za sad), super su mi, ali za sve sto bi mi zatrebalo u BG tj. kad izadjem iz garancije, da ne bi isao svaki put do Bataje - Ordinacija za Motocikle i Bicikle (specijalizovani za KTM izmedju ostalog), kod Najdzela i Masnog, pored hipodroma. Dok se ne zaputim put neke Azije, ili mi neko ne pokloni neki drugi motor, drzacu se generalno Pierer grupacije :)
Did I see a Mercedes towing a tractor on a trailer?😂 Loving my Expedition so far. Agree with you about the air coming from between the handguards and the windshield. I bought a wider windshield to help with that.
I just test rode a Norden Expedition, and am also 175cm with 81.3cm inseam. The Expedition was a little uncomfortable for me as well height-wise, where the Norden/890 are fine.
Just subbed to you my man! Picking up my expedition in a few weeks it’s at the dealership now waiting for me, I’ve gone through your videos can’t see one about tyres you use. I’ll be looking for something this winter that works under all conditions especially mud as we get lots of that in Wales 🏴 😂 Want something I can use all year around..
I will be making a review on Anakee Wilds Currently on them and had them on my Svartpilen. Best offroad street legal tire but slower on twisties? Mitas e09 and e13 Better offroad but ok on dry tarmac? Anakee Wild No performance compromises in both worlds but lasts shorter than me in bed? tkc80 Happy for your purchase and thanks for the watch 🤙
Look also at the Bridgestone AX41. Had them under the 1190R. Twice. Tomorrow i will order a new set and put it on my Expedition. I have a feeling that they will do great. Ok, ride a bit slower on the tarmac. And they make the bike a bit higher.
I put my order in about a month ago (Washington state). Dealer called me this week, and said they received the VIN, so my bike is real now and about 10 days to two weeks out.
@@Graybeard_ we ride some of the same roads you and i , the CA border and back through Conconully wa over Loop Loop ect.. is a good days ride for me from here
@@justsomedude445 Have you done Chesaw road to Bonepart lake? Also highway 20 to Republic and then over to Kettle Falls is a blast. Mount Hull has an ORV park for some dirt riding. It is ten minutes from my place.
Diff that matters is SUSPENSION !! i have almost 9000miles on my 2022 901 now , if i had known the expedition with the far far better "R" spec suspension was incoming i probably would have waited for it but i wound up investing in Tractive for an Extreme shock and fork drop ins instead , its awesome now but damn the expense was big...... well done great review i agree with your points , new subscriber here
I am at 20k miles now, and am beyond point of selling it and getting Expedition.. But that suspension kicks ass, really. I might upgrade to it sometimes in future. Tnx!
@@stavrozinio i looked for some ktm 890"R" replacement suspension parts or someones take offs that was upgrading to the holy grail cone valve Pro set up but did not find anything for months , i am very happy with the result but it is a major investment
I like the Norden 901 more than the 901 Expedition but feel dumb paying the same price for it. Any comments or point of view will be appreciated! I want to buy a mid-size adv motorcycle and after watching your video, analizing and comparing the different options out there, the bike I like the most for me is the Norden 901. If I buy it, I would add the taller windshield, gps mount, center stand, heated grips, stronger skid plate. So, now my issue is that with those additions the bike would end up costing me almost the same as the 901 Expedition which has those additions plus a couple of other ones. (I don't need the rack and panniers because I would prefer/need an SW-Motec rack and bigger panniers and I feel I'm not as an aggressive and technical off-roader to take advantage of the Explorer mode). The main reason for me preferring the standard 901 over the 901 Expedition is the height of the bike and that I expect the standard model handles better on-road: I ride 80/20 On-road/Off-road. I'm a 51 years old, 1.77 m/5'9" male. Intermediate-advanced (not expert) rider. Have owned: 1997-2000 BMW R1100GS, 2006-2014 Aprilia Caponord 1000. Any comments or point of view will be appreciated! (No demo bikes available in the dealership in my city nor other cities near me).
People that rode them both, prefer ordinary one for the road. I still prefer Expedition for that suspension as I ride lot offroad, and onroad I am always happy to ride something that handles new to me. Get the Expedition and find on forum someone to exchange that suspension with, sell the rest, profit 🤷♂️ Better to do that than upgrade a normal one.
Great review. Did the prepayment for the Norden E and this bike literally gets me back on two wheels after 10 years on four wheels only (last bike was a 2010 Z1000). Question: how does your Norden handled the falls off-road? Do you feel like bars are needed or perhaps a beefier handbar kit is all it takes? Also, where did you get your Norden decals from? It looks excellent👍
It performed very, VERY good without bars. I had very hardcore falls on baby-head rock climbs, where it would start falling downhill over me, front tire slides and falling to handlebar at speed, unintentional pivot turns dropping to side from vertical position on rear wheel, and two lowsides on tarmac, one being slow, and one with a honest 20m slide and only things beaten up are AXP Racing skidplate, passenger peg mounts, and exhaust. I even had bars at one moment but they widen the lower part so much and add up weight I decided to ditch them. All the foot levers are protected already with wideness of reservoir and passenger footpeg mounts (don't take them off, they help). Also, I have shortened immediately my hand brake and clutch levers, and for rearview mirror I used Aliexpress dead-angle small convex mirrors and put them on plastics where turn signals are positioned so even less things to break. Not a single crucial damage in 25.000kms for now and I fall 5x every 1k kms for sure 😁 Thanks for the watch 🤙
Do you know how it compares to the tiger 900 rally pro? And why is the seat of the standard norden more comfortable than the expedition?? Great video !
I feel stock seat on normal norden is like 10% roughly softer than this gel seat, but it may be possible it needs a break in-period. I have never tried any Triumph 🥲 but I really like that 900. Visually, stock, it does not look as fall-proof as norden or 890 to be honest, but I can imagine it has smoother power output at lower rpms. It is not very common bike here although we have a seller I have never seen they had it as test vehicle.
@@stavrozinio thanks for the answer! i see you enjoy your svart 401 too. I have one as well and looking for the norden as a second bike to make longer and more comfortable trips....
It's weird how the base model looks so much better than the Expedition. Base model is handsome and classy, this is some dude in a shopping centre in a track suit.
I wish they were available here in America, I can find 890rs for 2k under MSRP but the few 901 expeditions I can find are full price... But man that bike looks so much better
Yeah, too expensive to justify purchase honestly for normal riders like me that are not doing Pol Tarres stuff :) I would be totaly happy with normal XPLOR set from Expedition.
when i shopped for suspension solutions for my std 2022 901 the only 2 choices here in west coast USA at the time was the 'WP-PRO' set up which was crazy expensive @ $7000 USD , the bike was $13999. USD so half again + , or i found Tractive and got a new rear shock , custom sprung for me , front fork drop in units also set up for me and a replacement steering damper with LOADS of adjustment range that works well off road for $3700.. USD and am very happy with the bike now !! i am 6'2" 230Lb's-ish & rather off road focused
@@descriptiondownbelow1700 i am happy with the results but it was a big $ to spend on something you will never ever get a penny back from , now that both models are available one would be in my opinion making a huge mistake not buying the Expedition the suspension alone is well worth the difference in initial price
I have a 2022 890 Adventure which I like but the 901 is like I felt between a GS and GSA. The only things that are an issue: those bags look utterly crap. A half arsed afterthought at best on an otherwise great looking bike. The other is losing 1 litre of fuel. Not a major issue but why not add to the appeal and give it 25 litres to be in keeping with it’s better comfort and range to match.
Agreed on bags, but now considering fuel consumption - I am at 3.4l - 4.2l per 100km. Not sure if I would really need more autonomy as I got from Belgrade to Montenegro seaside on one tank of fuel (530km+) with dash showing me 50kms left (so that was something like 3.3l/100km). That of course was an extreme case of my curiosity and riding gently, but otherwise, since I am always packing light, I am at 3.9l/100km overall if I am not offroading. I think they cut that 1l to save some weight and/or slim down the reservoir for a tiny bit to match visual lines. Are you on 890R or S? I find it they are completely different in terms of riding. Expedition is right there as a more comfortable 890r, and normal 901 felt to me much closer to 890r than s, which is why I own it basically :)
Does anyone know the existance of a protective film for the upper plastic ? There is still not a fitting high crashbar for the Expedition. And in 7 weeks heading out to Turkey. And i really do not want to scrape the blue sidepanels.
Hey, would you mind if I emailed you about your experience riding the Husqvarna svartpilen 401? I'm looking to buy one and would like to consider how it feels off-road. I'm just struggling to find many reviews. I saw that awesome video you released a while ago with clips of you riding yours off-road, and wondered if you could give me some more details.
Ne znam dal ovo ili DesertX, Dukati nije toliko top heavy kao Tenere i Afrika a ovaj Norden mi se čini kao odličan za duga putovanja.. plaši me samo da se ne pokvari negde da me ne ostavi. Šta misliš Dukati ili ovaj što se pouzdanosti tiče?
mehanicki mislim da dodje na isto kao i svaki evropski brend, ali daleko od toga da moze bilo koji da se pokvari i ostavi te negde :) za otpornost na padanje i udobnost na duzim putovanjima norden bez razmisljanja. probaj oba ako nisi, pogotovo pokusaj jedan za drugim odmah, i lako ces odluciti sta ti pase vise.
@@stavrozinio Hvala na odgovoru, sedeo sam na DesertX imam pomesana osecanja, malo je visok i onako oseca se top heavy ali ni blizu kao Tenere, na to kad sam seo odmah sam rekao ne. Probacu Norden, ovaj mi se motor najvise svidja ali me koci sto se sklapaju u Kini i sto vaze za ne bas kvalitetne motore. Dok Dukati ima desmo ventile i filter vazduha mora u servisu da se menja jer treba da se skida rezervoar ali je premijum bajk mimo toga. Ma samo da me ne ostavi ovo sto curi antifriz i ulje to se da resiti u pocetku. Jel si imao kvarova nekih vecih?
@@OrthodoxTrooper pogresan info imas. 890/901 je komplet Austrija, provereno jer znam ljude iz fabrike koji sklapaju motore :). Ktm790 agregat je Kina. Nista mehanickh kvarova, uglavnom neke sitnice softverske koje ne uticu na funkcionalnost vozila (tipa resetuje mi se kontrolna tabla ako palim motor u isto vreme dok okrecem kljuc). Trenutno sam na 31.000km posle 13 meseci, a misim da je ocigledno kako ga koristim, pa ako je meni dobar i dalje, mislim da ce i svakom drugom biti.
@@stavrozinio Hvala, izguglao sam malo dublje nije bas nacisto sa ovim KTM-ovima Filipini, Austrija, CF moto Kina.. Super ti je review dotakao si se svih stvari koje vecinu interesuje. Srecno i nadam se jos videa.
would you change a Norden for a Norden Expedition for the sake of suspension despite the +3 cm to the seat height? you just said in the video that this motorcycle is higher than you are comfortable with
I upgraded to xplor in May this year, and am totaly fine with it. it is very high but I got used to it. barely touching ground with one foot, and I keep it at max preload for jumps. meanwhile I had a crash (totaled my 2022 norden), and got a 2024 (normal) month a go, and fitting it with xplor as I'm typing this :) I think apex is better for road riding still.
@@sys_userno need for xplor suspension for light-medium offroad. xplor is really made for more agressive and fast rally-like riding. I feel more comfortable on road with stock suspension honestly, but I really prefer taking 901 offroad.
Hi, no breakdowns. There were some minor issues that I will adress in review video, but ths is a well built machine that will not leave you stranded. I think all of the modern bikes are to be honest, I would just prefer less electronics., not that I've had any problem with them but still, a thing more that I don't really need. Currently at 32.000km, going on a 5000km trip next week, and will be making review after that (end of August).
@@stavrozinio Really glad to hear that. The machine looks beautiful and different from the rest. I heard some horror stories with previous models and it sharing KTM engine I was suspicious about the reliability. Thanks for the insight and looking forward to the video! Have a safe and great trip!
@@nikolagigic9118 Well, all those horror stories are true, but Japanese bikes have a good number of stories like that if you decide to google them (I was doing so while researching and thinking about T7), while KTM just gets demonized more nowadays as they have a worse past than others. If same thing happens on ktm and honda, you will hear it first about ktm. At this stage, I believe all new 700-1300cc bikes are more or less the same in terms of reliability mechanically, as they all follow simmilar normes, from China to European manufacturers. Truth is, if you want an engine that will outlive you, get and old AT, do a general service on it, and ride it forever. I on the other hand will ride Norden until it falls appart. My Svartpilen (27k kms) and friends around me on KTMs made me trust the brand, and KTMs are a blast to ride stock in each category compared to other brands, so I will be sticking to them personally. Only thing that can be problem is bad customer service from distributors, and that is whole another story (I am very happy with distributors for Husky in Serbia). Cheers!
Haven't tried 660 yet as they don't have the test vehicle in Piaggiao Serbia 🥲. Only had a seat at a fair. But I would say they are completely different categories even without testing Tuareg. My opinion is that Tuareg to T7 is kinda what Expedition is to normal 901. Go for T7/Tuareg if money is an issue, but otherwise I would go for Expedition/normal all day long. 901 has best fuel economy, is easiest to pick up, crash proof out of the saloon floor, and is comfiest of the bunch. Try them all if you get a chance, you will get why I prefer 890/901 platform the most.
Yep, they tend to get hot around feet around exhaust pipe when keeping the revs up and when moving slow in traffic during summer. A trade-off I am willing to make for that 3.5l-4l fuel economy and beastly performance. If it is worrying you, don't be, it is normal. If it is a problem, try and get some good boots. I have some simple mx Thor boots, and it means a lot.
Bok Stavro, uskoro planiram kupiti Norden 901, razmišljam još uvijek normalan ili Exp. Nisam siguran da li bi mi ovaj bio možda malo visok... Koliko si ti visok? Ja sam taman oko 180, 179/5. 32 inch inseam. Probao sam normalni Norden i on mi je super. Imam BMW R9T-a, pa sam naviknut na niže motore, ali i on sa višim sjedalom je na 81cm od tla. Normalni Norden sam s obe noge do poda ali ne ful stopala na zemlji. Malo mi fali. No imam puno iskustva na razno raznim motorima tako da mi to ne bio bio nikakav problem, čak i da moram uglavnom koristiti jednu nogu kod stajanja, što ionako svi činimo zbog kočnice. Nisam siguran da li mi treba ova još viša, teža i nešto skuplja inačica Nordena.
Pa meni je bas visok, a 175cm sam visok. Sebi bi ga spustio u viljuskama i preloadu sigurno. Ali ako zelis Explorer Mode, grejanje, zastitu od vetra, i dobar skidplate, pa da te nista vise ne zanima, vec si onda na ceni Expeditiona. Meni ovo vesanje samo u startu vec vredi tu razliku u kesu. Uzmi Expeditiona i menjaj se sa mnom vesanja, dacu ti koliko je ta razlika rado :D
@@stavrozinio Ma jest, Stavro, upravo zbog te Explorer suspenzije ja bih i uzeo taj motor znam koliko inaće košta takva WP Exp vilica samo A kamoli još i zadnji amortizer. Mislim da ću zbog toga naučiti živjet s tom visinom sjedala.
Uradi ovo sto bi i ja, spusti ga malo u vilama kompletno, nategni preload pozadi, i pojacaj kompresiju pozadi. mislim da mozes dobiti 1-2cm tako, ali navici ces se. Pogotovo ako neces neki zahtevan off da vozis, mislim da ti nece biti problem. Meni je, ono, jedva pipam i jednom nogom kad sam skroz butinom suprotne noge na sedistu.
@@stavrozinio Ma daj Stavro šta se može spustit na gornjem prihvatu vilice, na triple clamps misliš da vire malo više gore? Zar ne bi tako poremetio geometriju? Ovo ostalo dobro zvuci budem ti se javio kad ga kupim pa se možemo naći negdje ja sam iz Zagreba. Samo nisam siguran da ću uspjet ga kupiti ovo ljeto, al najkasnije svakako Slijedeće Prolijeće
moze jos koji cm da se nabode napred. geometrija bi bila ok jer bi iznivelisao zadnji deo koji je legao preloadom. ja sam na Svartpilenu dobio riserima za vile i preloadom +3cm klirensa. Kuckaj mi na IG, cesto sam po Zagrebu ja :)
Got to test this bike 2 weeks ago, would never trade in my Desert X for this. If the would have had it for test drive before I got to test de Desert, maybe I would have got this one just because th Honda's DCT option is awful and only the DCT model was available for test.
That is totaly fine. If you don't intend to do single tracks or drop the bike often, then I say go for whatever is prettier to you. If I had the blingz, I would have it next to my Norden aswell, but fact is DX stock is not protected at all and price can go really north of what Expedition costs after putting a decent plate and bars. And I bet anything broken on any Ducati costs up to 20 to 30% more than KTM parts. What is the price of DX and Expedition where you are from?
@@stavrozinio indeed, the parts I believe are expensive as is the dealer servicing it, but the plastics feel premium unlike the Norden, but I would expect replacing them (if they break) for a lot les at KTM dealership. Another thing I noticed, the Norden footpegs are in my way when I put my feet down, no hazard light button, on some of the bikes rhe buttons feel like jelly. The engine heat is not as bad as on the Desert X, but on the Desert X as soon as you move the heat is gone, for the norden you need to move more than just away from the stoplight. I got the DDX at arout 18k euro with crash bars (also the one for the water pump), top case carrier, center stand and the media pack with the Bluetooth and turn by turn nav. Got a WRS tall touring windscreen with the side deflectors and Denali D4 projectors plus a Shad topcase 50l. The 901 2022 is around 13k Euro with some discounts (think it can go a bit lower). The 901 2023 is around 15k Euro (think it can go a bit lower as well), it also includes some extra stuff: central stand side bag set with carriers and the explorer pack. The 901 Expedition 2023 is around 16k Euro (think this on to can go a bit lower as well), it icludes some extra stuff: the top case plus carrier.
@@stavrozinio p.s. as for the off-road bit I can't really speak to that since I do easy trails. All I can say is that I have seens people do some nice off-roadding with the DDX.
@@ciocanelwar Agreed on everything. Norden plastics feel like enduro bike plastics which gives that cheap feel, but they are also very bendy and have a lot of play, which is why they are still in one piece on mine. How about difference in topweight? For me that is one thing that stands out most on these 890/901 bikes, and since I am pretty small guy (175cm/67kg), every bit helps when tossing it arround offroad.
@@stavrozinio For the plastics try and pull (if you have the chance) on the DDX side panel, it is very malleable. On the road I felt no difference the problem os I did not get to take the norden off-roadding. Also there is the issue with the 901 expedition being to tall for me, I am 1.80 cm and 84kg. I thought long and hard about the expenses regarding the DDX, if I would change the bike it would be like this: 1 Africa twin 18l; 2 Norden 901; 3 Tenere 700; 4 KTM 890; 5 Tiger 900 rally pro. Or I can get a bike like xt660z (abs) for the city and short rides. If you find yourself in Bucharest give me a shout, maybe we can go for a ride.
currently at 34k, in a week will make another 4k. been pretty good so far with some issues such as cooler fan dying from mud/dirt, fork leaking at 8k first and last time. on hard enduro (for me) rides I use clutch a lot so I changed plates at 15k. worst thing I had was water mixing with oil which was fixed fast uder warranty, but I feel as I am only one that had that. will talk about it more in detail in review.
‘’KTM 890s rides like a very powerful scooter’ 😂It’s so easy to ride it feels like cheating, you can ride it almost brainless. On one hand I want the higher performing suspension, but on the other hand this is just so much fun. Considering a TT upgrade and raise is to the height of the standard Norden. Might be just the perfect middleground.
Yeah, Norden sits just in between and is perfect for mixed roads but still remains more road oriented than Expedition and ADVR. At some moment, I would like to have xplor kit so i can jump around with an ease of mind, but it gets sooo tall and it is not cheap at all :') If I don't expand my drivevay with one more bike, I will eventually get the xplor I guess. It's really worthy upgrade IMO if you ride at least 10% or more offroad. I am currently at 48k kms with Norden, and 10-15k is surely offroad, so it makes sense in my head. Cheers!
You meant to say North Macedonia, if such country exists, and not Macedonia...there is not such country as Macedonia, some respect please. Thanks for the video nevertheless 901 is such a nice bike.
It's far from disrespect. It is how even my close friends from there call it. I would, and am doing the same with Bosnia, States, Congo, Vatican and my country - (Republic of) Serbia. Thanks, made almost 39k on mine, gonna do the review soon. Great bike all in all.
I've been married four times, dozens of relationships, and it all comes down to this! I freakin love my 901! When we disagree, I get back up and we're back in love in no time at all.
Really nice bike transition! Great review and cool video. Defenitly subscribing for more content.
I really like this review. I had aimed myself in on another bike but now this looks very interesting.
I may be a bit Bias, Huskvarna, the city is located about 60 km from my house. Yes, I know Husqvarna motorcycles now are made by KTM.
Liked and subscribed.
Stretam put
I am biased as well personallu, I just looove the design so much, and KTM performance is killer, but will talk about everything good and bad in my 901 long term review. Currently at 28k kms. I am thinking in a month or two I will be doing that long term review finally, but for any additional questions, hit me up on insta if you want.
Cheers!
Not sure about the Standard model but the TC and ABS on the Expedition are on another level from all the bikes I owned prior. I run TC and ABS off-road and they never hinder my abilities.
they work same on all models I have tested. great electronics but I use them basically never. offroad abs is 👌
Second vid of yours watched, but I appreciated the great cinemaphotography and dry sense of humour ... so liked and subscribed now.
I just ordered my expedition. Love on first ride. So easy to handle after my Tiger Explorer but still very comfortable. Its main reason why i not choose tenere
Yes the difference is crazy. T7 has that top-heavy design that makes it harder to flick in tight situations, and then there is power, and stock crash resistance, and stock suspension, and comfort.. everything in favor of Norden 901. It is a touring motorcycle that handles dirt better than some dirt-oriented bikes.
I was in the saloon sitting on black T7 ready to buy it, decided to wait after the winter and then Norden appeared. Never looked back after that.
Thanks for the watch 🙌
Hope they make more. They are presold out into next year here in Texas.
Excellent review mate, especially from a current owner of the standard model. Thanks.
Pozdrav .
Odlican ti je review , a ja vec danima gledam youtube bas mi se svidja ovaj 901 Expedition model i ozbiljno se mislim da ga narucim novog . Ali u svom tom istrazivanju naleteh na gomilu komentara da im se bregasta osteti na delu gde potiskuje ventil i to na nekoj maloj kilometrazi tipa 15000km . Sad vidim da si ti presao vec 50.000 pa kontam jednom si sigurno stelovao ventile . Msm predpostavlaljam "zapravo nadam se" da nisu sve bregaste takvog kvaliteta pa eto znacilo bi mi da neko ko vozi motor da neki komentar po tom pitanju . Bas bi mi bilo zao da odustanem od motora posto u mojim ocima mu ne vidim konkurenciju : izgled, komfort , two-up . Sve mu je nekako odmereno i taman koliko treba a o opremi da ne pricam TOP .
Nije trebalo stelovanje ventila kad smo proveravali. Odradicu uskoro i drugu proveru, (sad sam na 54.000).
Nema konkurenciju bajk za te pare, u svim segmentima kida konkurenciju. Probao sam i DX i Afriku 1100 i par razlicitih Tenera 700.. Jedina sa cime moze da se poredi je 890 od KTMa, ali sa obzirom na udobnost i izgled, mislim da i dalje nema konkurenciju.
Da to je odlična informacija da nije bilo potrebe za stelovanjem . Msm moguće da jednostavno neke bregaste su dosle sa falinkom pa prave problem. Sto se tice KTM njega inače obozavam ali 890 je jednostavno previse off road I uopste nije lep sto mi je cudno obicno mi se svidjaju KTM . Afrika mi se svidja na izgled I lepo se sedi u njoj ima visok i sirok korman ali Norden mi je puno lepši , douse nisam probao Afriku da bih znao . Mada ja sa bilo kojima od tih motora planiram vise touring sa blagim izletima preko makadama nikako neki ozbiljan Off . Ti vidim da ga teras muski .
@@TrenutnoNedostupan Probaj i Afriku i Nordena. Na Nordenu se sedi vise "na" motoru nego "u", i definitivno ti treba veliki vetrobran sa Expeditiona ako ti je prioritet turing. Ali Norden je i dalje udobniji, laksi 30-50kila (u zavisnosti od toga koju Afriku gledas i da li stavljas crash-barove), mnogo nize teziste, i vesanje par kategorija iznad Afrike. Da mi neko pokloni Africoku, prodao bi je instant i opet uzeo Nordena jer je raketa :)
Pa ovako.
Kao kolega motociklista prosto ne vjerujem kako ranije nisam naletio na ovaj kanal.
Wow! Od sadrzaja, preko interesovanja, preko video editinga, izbora muzike, kvaliteta...WOW.
Kapa dole druze. Steta sto ne uploadujes cesce.
Elem, lomim se dugo oko izbora iduceg motocikla. Posto mi se vecina voznje unazad 4 godine svodi na duge dionice (3 - 4k kilometara) a lomim se na mom starom vjernom Kawasaki ZRX 1100, zelio bih da uzmem nov Adv motocikl, u potpunosti svijestan da je ADV kategorija pomalo sada i naduvana, takoreci SUV u svijetu motociklizma, ali bih uplovio u offroad vode pa time i izbor takvog motocikla.
Previse puta sam zastao ispod nekog zamka, neke sumice, neke staze a na sport nejkedu moze samo da se gleda. :)
Kopam vec dugo, i prilicno sam temeljan sa tim kao i u svim stvarima koje me obuzmu i manje vise sam rastrgan izmedju sledeceg izbora.
-T7,
-T7 World Raid,
-Norden E,
-Afrika otpada zbog tezine i cijene,
-890/790 otpadaju radi jezivog iskustva korisnika istog (bar ono sto sam mogao da iskopam po internetu)
-DUkati DX je za nase uslove u Srbiji prosto preskup kako cijenom tako i cijenom odrzavanja.
-Aprilia TUareg je nekako egzotika za nase prilike.
Naravno sve najbolje sam cuo o T7 pogotovo u smislu pouzdanosti, neunistivosti CP2 agregata i nedostatku elektronike koja ide u prilog ovome argumentu o pouzdanosti (Kontra KTM890/790 npr), ali znam da je jako "top heavy"
Dok o Nordenu isto sam cuo super stvar, evo kada pogledam ovaj tvoj review isto, ali sam pomalo zabrinut oko tih sitnih KTM naslijedjenih boljki, curenje semeringa, elektronski glupi bagovi, kazu da hoce da pomjesa vodu i ulje sto mi zvuci nekako bas kao KTM department :)
To su mozda neke sitnije stvari, ali bi znale da upropaste neko duze putovanje poprilicno.
Da li si mozda imao iskustva sa T7 i kako bi uporedio njene varijacije (recimo world raid) sa Nordenom E
PS. Norden E je i znacajno skuplji od T7 bar ovdje kod nas u Srbiji :)
PPS. Izvini na traktatu od posta i sve najbolje. Samo nastavi ovako :))
pazi, iz iste fabrike su kao ktm, tako da ono... meni je pomesao ulje/vodu na 15k, zamenjen dihtung vodene pumpe u garanciji i sad sam na 42k sa jednim problemom pored tog - sraf glavne osovine (koja ide kroz agregat i swingarm) krenuo da se odvrce sam od vibracija i okretanja motora oko copave, tako da plavi loctite cim dodje iz fabrike i toeto.
osim toga nista.
890 i 901 su laksi za baratanje od svih tenki koje sam probao (i wr, i obicna, i obicna sa boljim vesanjem, a i od dx-a, crf1100...) a performansama, vesanjem i udobnoscu 901E je pet kategorija iznad t7, a vala i otpornoscu na padanje - motor je uvucen u rezervoar, rezervoar je jak i ima svoju zastitu, tako da crashbar je vise no nepotreban (cekiraj mi instagram, skontaces).
probaj oba ako se lomis izmedju ta dva. ako imas stomak za te neke ktm sitnice, norden bez ikakvog razmisljanja. videces i sam kad probas pa ce da ti bude jasno sve po pitanju centra teze, vesanja i performansi.
a ako hoces u aziju da putujes bez da razmisljas o pouzdanosti, onda ni jedan ni drugi, vec crf300 :D
dotaci cu se jos detaljno nekih stvari u reviewu, misim da ce biti ovog il sl. meseca, al eto ti te dve boljke sto su se meni desile da mozes lakse da preseces :)
poz!
@@stavrozinio U pravu si, moracu da zakazem test voznju oba.
Nadam se do iduce godine da cu se sastaviti finansijski :)
Elem, kakva je situacija za servis Huskija u Srbiji (Beogradu) ? I dalje si kod njih u oficijalnom servisu ili imas nekoga pouzdanog ko zna da radi Husk/Ktm?
@@0trov_ u Komppu sam (Batajnica samo radi servise za sad), super su mi, ali za sve sto bi mi zatrebalo u BG tj. kad izadjem iz garancije, da ne bi isao svaki put do Bataje - Ordinacija za Motocikle i Bicikle (specijalizovani za KTM izmedju ostalog), kod Najdzela i Masnog, pored hipodroma. Dok se ne zaputim put neke Azije, ili mi neko ne pokloni neki drugi motor, drzacu se generalno Pierer grupacije :)
Did I see a Mercedes towing a tractor on a trailer?😂 Loving my Expedition so far. Agree with you about the air coming from between the handguards and the windshield. I bought a wider windshield to help with that.
G'day from New Zealand Starvo. Good review. To the point. The blurred view on the windshield bend..🤔 Much to like about this Exp.
Great review, everything I want to know and no BS.
I just test rode a Norden Expedition, and am also 175cm with 81.3cm inseam. The Expedition was a little uncomfortable for me as well height-wise, where the Norden/890 are fine.
Excellent video!
thanks 🙌
Ultimate adventure bike ❤ Expedition ❤
can't argue with that.
Greetings from across the Danube (Romania) my friend!
I have few pins across the border I wanna check :)) Might do them in July.
Cheers!
@@stavrozinio Just say something about it and maybe we're gonna ride along a few miles.
Just subbed to you my man! Picking up my expedition in a few weeks it’s at the dealership now waiting for me,
I’ve gone through your videos can’t see one about tyres you use.
I’ll be looking for something this winter that works under all conditions especially mud as we get lots of that in Wales 🏴 😂
Want something I can use all year around..
I will be making a review on Anakee Wilds
Currently on them and had them on my Svartpilen.
Best offroad street legal tire but slower on twisties?
Mitas e09 and e13
Better offroad but ok on dry tarmac?
Anakee Wild
No performance compromises in both worlds but lasts shorter than me in bed?
tkc80
Happy for your purchase and thanks for the watch 🤙
@@stavrozinio thanks buddy look forward to more content
Look also at the Bridgestone AX41. Had them under the 1190R. Twice. Tomorrow i will order a new set and put it on my Expedition. I have a feeling that they will do great. Ok, ride a bit slower on the tarmac. And they make the bike a bit higher.
I put my order in about a month ago (Washington state). Dealer called me this week, and said they received the VIN, so my bike is real now and about 10 days to two weeks out.
CONGRATT's !! where in WA ?? i ride a 901 out of Wenatchee/Cashmere WA
@@justsomedude445 Thanks. I got my bike a few weeks ago. I'm right on the US/CA border above Molson at 4,000' Awesome roads to ride up here.
@@Graybeard_ we ride some of the same roads you and i , the CA border and back through Conconully wa over Loop Loop ect.. is a good days ride for me from here
@@justsomedude445 Have you done Chesaw road to Bonepart lake? Also highway 20 to Republic and then over to Kettle Falls is a blast. Mount Hull has an ORV park for some dirt riding. It is ten minutes from my place.
@@Graybeard_ yes i am familiar with that area , i have family that live near there
Diff that matters is SUSPENSION !! i have almost 9000miles on my 2022 901 now , if i had known the expedition with the far far better "R" spec suspension was incoming i probably would have waited for it but i wound up investing in Tractive for an Extreme shock and fork drop ins instead , its awesome now but damn the expense was big...... well done great review i agree with your points , new subscriber here
I am at 20k miles now, and am beyond point of selling it and getting Expedition.. But that suspension kicks ass, really. I might upgrade to it sometimes in future.
Tnx!
@@stavrozinio i looked for some ktm 890"R" replacement suspension parts or someones take offs that was upgrading to the holy grail cone valve Pro set up but did not find anything for months , i am very happy with the result but it is a major investment
@@stavrozinio yeah im in mine soo much $ now im in it for good wont be trading anytime soon
Tractive has the answer to the suspension problem @@stavrozinio
Tractive has the answer to the suspension problem @@stavrozinio
Great video ! Do you have a link for your balck decal set ? It looks awsome !
Thanks! I just cut some sticky vinyls myself 😁
Oh right :) nice job ! @@stavrozinio
Sjajan bajk i odličan prikaz
I like the Norden 901 more than the 901 Expedition but feel dumb paying the same price for it.
Any comments or point of view will be appreciated!
I want to buy a mid-size adv motorcycle and after watching your video, analizing and comparing the different options out there, the bike I like the most for me is the Norden 901.
If I buy it, I would add the taller windshield, gps mount, center stand, heated grips, stronger skid plate.
So, now my issue is that with those additions the bike would end up costing me almost the same as the 901 Expedition which has those additions plus a couple of other ones. (I don't need the rack and panniers because I would prefer/need an SW-Motec rack and bigger panniers and I feel I'm not as an aggressive and technical off-roader to take advantage of the Explorer mode).
The main reason for me preferring the standard 901 over the 901 Expedition is the height of the bike and that I expect the standard model handles better on-road: I ride 80/20 On-road/Off-road.
I'm a 51 years old, 1.77 m/5'9" male. Intermediate-advanced (not expert) rider. Have owned: 1997-2000 BMW R1100GS, 2006-2014 Aprilia Caponord 1000.
Any comments or point of view will be appreciated!
(No demo bikes available in the dealership in my city nor other cities near me).
People that rode them both, prefer ordinary one for the road. I still prefer Expedition for that suspension as I ride lot offroad, and onroad I am always happy to ride something that handles new to me. Get the Expedition and find on forum someone to exchange that suspension with, sell the rest, profit 🤷♂️ Better to do that than upgrade a normal one.
@@stavrozinio Thank you for the comments, I really appreciate them. And especially thanks for the suggestion which I hadn't thought of.
@@agusacevedofthere seems to be an official suspension lowering kit for the expedition. That would be ideal than.
Great review. Did the prepayment for the Norden E and this bike literally gets me back on two wheels after 10 years on four wheels only (last bike was a 2010 Z1000).
Question: how does your Norden handled the falls off-road? Do you feel like bars are needed or perhaps a beefier handbar kit is all it takes?
Also, where did you get your Norden decals from? It looks excellent👍
It performed very, VERY good without bars. I had very hardcore falls on baby-head rock climbs, where it would start falling downhill over me, front tire slides and falling to handlebar at speed, unintentional pivot turns dropping to side from vertical position on rear wheel, and two lowsides on tarmac, one being slow, and one with a honest 20m slide and only things beaten up are AXP Racing skidplate, passenger peg mounts, and exhaust. I even had bars at one moment but they widen the lower part so much and add up weight I decided to ditch them. All the foot levers are protected already with wideness of reservoir and passenger footpeg mounts (don't take them off, they help). Also, I have shortened immediately my hand brake and clutch levers, and for rearview mirror I used Aliexpress dead-angle small convex mirrors and put them on plastics where turn signals are positioned so even less things to break. Not a single crucial damage in 25.000kms for now and I fall 5x every 1k kms for sure 😁
Thanks for the watch 🤙
ps. decals I did myself by putting some black abrasive paper on yelow parts and where my knees hug the reservoir for more grip when I need it.
@@stavrozinio thank you for all the tips and sharing your experience👍 Will take it slowly than and see how it goes :-)
proper bark busters handguards and luggage rack i think suffice or has for me anyway
Do you know how it compares to the tiger 900 rally pro? And why is the seat of the standard norden more comfortable than the expedition?? Great video !
I feel stock seat on normal norden is like 10% roughly softer than this gel seat, but it may be possible it needs a break in-period.
I have never tried any Triumph 🥲 but I really like that 900.
Visually, stock, it does not look as fall-proof as norden or 890 to be honest, but I can imagine it has smoother power output at lower rpms. It is not very common bike here although we have a seller I have never seen they had it as test vehicle.
@@stavrozinio thanks for the answer! i see you enjoy your svart 401 too. I have one as well and looking for the norden as a second bike to make longer and more comfortable trips....
@@loukasliakatas665 you will ride Norden only when you get it, let me tell you honestly right now :D
@@stavrozinio haha! You think? We will see.. I will let you know😄
If you come to greece again text me maybe we can go for a ride!
It's weird how the base model looks so much better than the Expedition. Base model is handsome and classy, this is some dude in a shopping centre in a track suit.
Seems to be a KTM trait. Take a look at the 1290 adv vs adv R for example.
From a fellow rider and editor... excellent bike wipe! LOL #motophotoadventures #subd
🫡 tnx!
there is also the adventure pack software for 9 stage TC...and that gorgeous blue paint job !
Nice review.
Thanks!
I wish they were available here in America, I can find 890rs for 2k under MSRP but the few 901 expeditions I can find are full price... But man that bike looks so much better
Kako je lepo prljava ova nasa zemlja 😂 Podrska za brata samo snimaj👍
Jeste, kriminal je taj deo gde sam otisao al posle kise nisam imao puno opcija za malo offa jer ove gume bas nisu za mokru travu i blato ::')
Great review, bit amount of fly tipping and trash around there is just shocking. When people will start getting that they shit where they live...?
Yeah, it's scary.
It was unfortunately a day after rain, so I couldn't go to location I intended at first, not on these tires. Tnx!
So what's with that long-term review of your 901 we are all waiting .
flilmed, just no time to edit it 🙈
Nice Review!
How is the Expedition suspension on the street compared to the Standard Norden? Worth the change?
Not worth on road honestly. Only if you pack heavy and ride with passenger, then I would reccomend it.
My feeling is that although it is longer that it is a bit more stable. Owned also the standard 901.
Thx guys!
Yeah, taller susp makes it a bit longer. And it is a bit easier to lean in turns as you do sit higher.
If the Suspension if the reason for the Expedition then one should invest the Explore Pro Suspension, but that is really expensive.
Yeah, too expensive to justify purchase honestly for normal riders like me that are not doing Pol Tarres stuff :)
I would be totaly happy with normal XPLOR set from Expedition.
when i shopped for suspension solutions for my std 2022 901 the only 2 choices here in west coast USA at the time was the 'WP-PRO' set up which was crazy expensive @ $7000 USD , the bike was $13999. USD so half again + , or i found Tractive and got a new rear shock , custom sprung for me , front fork drop in units also set up for me and a replacement steering damper with LOADS of adjustment range that works well off road for $3700.. USD and am very happy with the bike now !! i am 6'2" 230Lb's-ish & rather off road focused
@@descriptiondownbelow1700 i am happy with the results but it was a big $ to spend on something you will never ever get a penny back from , now that both models are available one would be in my opinion making a huge mistake not buying the Expedition the suspension alone is well worth the difference in initial price
just and update. I am rocking xplor on my new 2024 (totaled 2022 in a crash - not my fault), and xplor is perfect for stuff I am doing.
I have a 2022 890 Adventure which I like but the 901 is like I felt between a GS and GSA. The only things that are an issue: those bags look utterly crap. A half arsed afterthought at best on an otherwise great looking bike. The other is losing 1 litre of fuel. Not a major issue but why not add to the appeal and give it 25 litres to be in keeping with it’s better comfort and range to match.
Agreed on bags, but now considering fuel consumption - I am at 3.4l - 4.2l per 100km. Not sure if I would really need more autonomy as I got from Belgrade to Montenegro seaside on one tank of fuel (530km+) with dash showing me 50kms left (so that was something like 3.3l/100km). That of course was an extreme case of my curiosity and riding gently, but otherwise, since I am always packing light, I am at 3.9l/100km overall if I am not offroading.
I think they cut that 1l to save some weight and/or slim down the reservoir for a tiny bit to match visual lines.
Are you on 890R or S? I find it they are completely different in terms of riding. Expedition is right there as a more comfortable 890r, and normal 901 felt to me much closer to 890r than s, which is why I own it basically :)
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Does anyone know the existance of a protective film for the upper plastic ? There is still not a fitting high crashbar for the Expedition. And in 7 weeks heading out to Turkey. And i really do not want to scrape the blue sidepanels.
There are third-party options (for all crashbars).
Hey, would you mind if I emailed you about your experience riding the Husqvarna svartpilen 401? I'm looking to buy one and would like to consider how it feels off-road. I'm just struggling to find many reviews. I saw that awesome video you released a while ago with clips of you riding yours off-road, and wondered if you could give me some more details.
sure, hit me up.
@@stavrozinio Emailed you on the email address found on your youtube
Ne znam dal ovo ili DesertX, Dukati nije toliko top heavy kao Tenere i Afrika a ovaj Norden mi se čini kao odličan za duga putovanja.. plaši me samo da se ne pokvari negde da me ne ostavi. Šta misliš Dukati ili ovaj što se pouzdanosti tiče?
mehanicki mislim da dodje na isto kao i svaki evropski brend, ali daleko od toga da moze bilo koji da se pokvari i ostavi te negde :)
za otpornost na padanje i udobnost na duzim putovanjima norden bez razmisljanja. probaj oba ako nisi, pogotovo pokusaj jedan za drugim odmah, i lako ces odluciti sta ti pase vise.
@@stavrozinio Hvala na odgovoru, sedeo sam na DesertX imam pomesana osecanja, malo je visok i onako oseca se top heavy ali ni blizu kao Tenere, na to kad sam seo odmah sam rekao ne. Probacu Norden, ovaj mi se motor najvise svidja ali me koci sto se sklapaju u Kini i sto vaze za ne bas kvalitetne motore. Dok Dukati ima desmo ventile i filter vazduha mora u servisu da se menja jer treba da se skida rezervoar ali je premijum bajk mimo toga. Ma samo da me ne ostavi ovo sto curi antifriz i ulje to se da resiti u pocetku. Jel si imao kvarova nekih vecih?
@@OrthodoxTrooper pogresan info imas. 890/901 je komplet Austrija, provereno jer znam ljude iz fabrike koji sklapaju motore :). Ktm790 agregat je Kina. Nista mehanickh kvarova, uglavnom neke sitnice softverske koje ne uticu na funkcionalnost vozila (tipa resetuje mi se kontrolna tabla ako palim motor u isto vreme dok okrecem kljuc). Trenutno sam na 31.000km posle 13 meseci, a misim da je ocigledno kako ga koristim, pa ako je meni dobar i dalje, mislim da ce i svakom drugom biti.
@@stavrozinio Hvala, izguglao sam malo dublje nije bas nacisto sa ovim KTM-ovima Filipini, Austrija, CF moto Kina.. Super ti je review dotakao si se svih stvari koje vecinu interesuje. Srecno i nadam se jos videa.
Thanks for showing us the scenery, like the local illegal dump, lmaooo
Nice review and amazing video quality! How tall are you? 17:41
Thanks! I am 175cm tall. Would def. lower it for my use.
would you change a Norden for a Norden Expedition for the sake of suspension despite the +3 cm to the seat height?
you just said in the video that this motorcycle is higher than you are comfortable with
I upgraded to xplor in May this year, and am totaly fine with it. it is very high but I got used to it. barely touching ground with one foot, and I keep it at max preload for jumps.
meanwhile I had a crash (totaled my 2022 norden), and got a 2024 (normal) month a go, and fitting it with xplor as I'm typing this :)
I think apex is better for road riding still.
@stavrozinio so when riding with no jumps, 80% good road and 20% dirt xplorer suspention doesn't make much sense?
@@sys_userno need for xplor suspension for light-medium offroad. xplor is really made for more agressive and fast rally-like riding. I feel more comfortable on road with stock suspension honestly, but I really prefer taking 901 offroad.
awesome video bro, nice review very objective, what's your height? regards
Tnx! I am 175cm.
Hey man, great review! How's the reliability? Have there been any major breakdown issues in the 20k kms you got under your belt?
Hi, no breakdowns. There were some minor issues that I will adress in review video, but ths is a well built machine that will not leave you stranded. I think all of the modern bikes are to be honest, I would just prefer less electronics., not that I've had any problem with them but still, a thing more that I don't really need. Currently at 32.000km, going on a 5000km trip next week, and will be making review after that (end of August).
@@stavrozinio Really glad to hear that. The machine looks beautiful and different from the rest. I heard some horror stories with previous models and it sharing KTM engine I was suspicious about the reliability. Thanks for the insight and looking forward to the video! Have a safe and great trip!
@@nikolagigic9118 Well, all those horror stories are true, but Japanese bikes have a good number of stories like that if you decide to google them (I was doing so while researching and thinking about T7), while KTM just gets demonized more nowadays as they have a worse past than others. If same thing happens on ktm and honda, you will hear it first about ktm. At this stage, I believe all new 700-1300cc bikes are more or less the same in terms of reliability mechanically, as they all follow simmilar normes, from China to European manufacturers. Truth is, if you want an engine that will outlive you, get and old AT, do a general service on it, and ride it forever. I on the other hand will ride Norden until it falls appart. My Svartpilen (27k kms) and friends around me on KTMs made me trust the brand, and KTMs are a blast to ride stock in each category compared to other brands, so I will be sticking to them personally. Only thing that can be problem is bad customer service from distributors, and that is whole another story (I am very happy with distributors for Husky in Serbia).
Cheers!
@@nikolagigic9118 12700 trouble free miles on mine so far
How does it compare to Aprilia Tuareg 660 as it is between this bike and the 660 ????
Haven't tried 660 yet as they don't have the test vehicle in Piaggiao Serbia 🥲. Only had a seat at a fair. But I would say they are completely different categories even without testing Tuareg. My opinion is that Tuareg to T7 is kinda what Expedition is to normal 901. Go for T7/Tuareg if money is an issue, but otherwise I would go for Expedition/normal all day long. 901 has best fuel economy, is easiest to pick up, crash proof out of the saloon floor, and is comfiest of the bunch.
Try them all if you get a chance, you will get why I prefer 890/901 platform the most.
What are the main differences between of norden and norden E???
Suspension and windshield are the most important differences.
SUSPENSION
Hello, could you tell me if your motorcycle is very hot. And if so, have you solved it?
Yep, they tend to get hot around feet around exhaust pipe when keeping the revs up and when moving slow in traffic during summer. A trade-off I am willing to make for that 3.5l-4l fuel economy and beastly performance.
If it is worrying you, don't be, it is normal. If it is a problem, try and get some good boots. I have some simple mx Thor boots, and it means a lot.
Kidaj Stavro...
ću!
Bok Stavro, uskoro planiram kupiti Norden 901, razmišljam još uvijek normalan ili Exp. Nisam siguran da li bi mi ovaj bio možda malo visok... Koliko si ti visok? Ja sam taman oko 180, 179/5. 32 inch inseam. Probao sam normalni Norden i on mi je super. Imam BMW R9T-a, pa sam naviknut na niže motore, ali i on sa višim sjedalom je na 81cm od tla. Normalni Norden sam s obe noge do poda ali ne ful stopala na zemlji. Malo mi fali. No imam puno iskustva na razno raznim motorima tako da mi to ne bio bio nikakav problem, čak i da moram uglavnom koristiti jednu nogu kod stajanja, što ionako svi činimo zbog kočnice. Nisam siguran da li mi treba ova još viša, teža i nešto skuplja inačica Nordena.
Pa meni je bas visok, a 175cm sam visok. Sebi bi ga spustio u viljuskama i preloadu sigurno. Ali ako zelis Explorer Mode, grejanje, zastitu od vetra, i dobar skidplate, pa da te nista vise ne zanima, vec si onda na ceni Expeditiona.
Meni ovo vesanje samo u startu vec vredi tu razliku u kesu.
Uzmi Expeditiona i menjaj se sa mnom vesanja, dacu ti koliko je ta razlika rado :D
@@stavrozinio Ma jest, Stavro, upravo zbog te Explorer suspenzije ja bih i uzeo taj motor znam koliko inaće košta takva WP Exp vilica samo A kamoli još i zadnji amortizer. Mislim da ću zbog toga naučiti živjet s tom visinom sjedala.
Uradi ovo sto bi i ja, spusti ga malo u vilama kompletno, nategni preload pozadi, i pojacaj kompresiju pozadi. mislim da mozes dobiti 1-2cm tako, ali navici ces se. Pogotovo ako neces neki zahtevan off da vozis, mislim da ti nece biti problem. Meni je, ono, jedva pipam i jednom nogom kad sam skroz butinom suprotne noge na sedistu.
@@stavrozinio Ma daj Stavro šta se može spustit na gornjem prihvatu vilice, na triple clamps misliš da vire malo više gore? Zar ne bi tako poremetio geometriju? Ovo ostalo dobro zvuci budem ti se javio kad ga kupim pa se možemo naći negdje ja sam iz Zagreba. Samo nisam siguran da ću uspjet ga kupiti ovo ljeto, al najkasnije svakako Slijedeće Prolijeće
moze jos koji cm da se nabode napred. geometrija bi bila ok jer bi iznivelisao zadnji deo koji je legao preloadom. ja sam na Svartpilenu dobio riserima za vile i preloadom +3cm klirensa. Kuckaj mi na IG, cesto sam po Zagrebu ja :)
🏍️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💪💪💪💪👍.
Got to test this bike 2 weeks ago, would never trade in my Desert X for this.
If the would have had it for test drive before I got to test de Desert, maybe I would have got this one just because th Honda's DCT option is awful and only the DCT model was available for test.
That is totaly fine. If you don't intend to do single tracks or drop the bike often, then I say go for whatever is prettier to you. If I had the blingz, I would have it next to my Norden aswell, but fact is DX stock is not protected at all and price can go really north of what Expedition costs after putting a decent plate and bars. And I bet anything broken on any Ducati costs up to 20 to 30% more than KTM parts.
What is the price of DX and Expedition where you are from?
@@stavrozinio indeed, the parts I believe are expensive as is the dealer servicing it, but the plastics feel premium unlike the Norden, but I would expect replacing them (if they break) for a lot les at KTM dealership.
Another thing I noticed, the Norden footpegs are in my way when I put my feet down, no hazard light button, on some of the bikes rhe buttons feel like jelly.
The engine heat is not as bad as on the Desert X, but on the Desert X as soon as you move the heat is gone, for the norden you need to move more than just away from the stoplight.
I got the DDX at arout 18k euro with crash bars (also the one for the water pump), top case carrier, center stand and the media pack with the Bluetooth and turn by turn nav.
Got a WRS tall touring windscreen with the side deflectors and Denali D4 projectors plus a Shad topcase 50l.
The 901 2022 is around 13k Euro with some discounts (think it can go a bit lower).
The 901 2023 is around 15k Euro (think it can go a bit lower as well), it also includes some extra stuff: central stand side bag set with carriers and the explorer pack.
The 901 Expedition 2023 is around 16k Euro (think this on to can go a bit lower as well), it icludes some extra stuff: the top case plus carrier.
@@stavrozinio p.s. as for the off-road bit I can't really speak to that since I do easy trails.
All I can say is that I have seens people do some nice off-roadding with the DDX.
@@ciocanelwar Agreed on everything. Norden plastics feel like enduro bike plastics which gives that cheap feel, but they are also very bendy and have a lot of play, which is why they are still in one piece on mine. How about difference in topweight? For me that is one thing that stands out most on these 890/901 bikes, and since I am pretty small guy (175cm/67kg), every bit helps when tossing it arround offroad.
@@stavrozinio For the plastics try and pull (if you have the chance) on the DDX side panel, it is very malleable.
On the road I felt no difference the problem os I did not get to take the norden off-roadding.
Also there is the issue with the 901 expedition being to tall for me, I am 1.80 cm and 84kg.
I thought long and hard about the expenses regarding the DDX, if I would change the bike it would be like this:
1 Africa twin 18l;
2 Norden 901;
3 Tenere 700;
4 KTM 890;
5 Tiger 900 rally pro.
Or I can get a bike like xt660z (abs) for the city and short rides.
If you find yourself in Bucharest give me a shout, maybe we can go for a ride.
RELIABILITY. Anyone know how the Norden in general has been?
currently at 34k, in a week will make another 4k. been pretty good so far with some issues such as cooler fan dying from mud/dirt, fork leaking at 8k first and last time. on hard enduro (for me) rides I use clutch a lot so I changed plates at 15k. worst thing I had was water mixing with oil which was fixed fast uder warranty, but I feel as I am only one that had that. will talk about it more in detail in review.
brate, kakva je ovo deponija? jesi li imao dje drugo?
jesam, ali ne posle kise na ovim gumama.
‘’KTM 890s rides like a very powerful scooter’ 😂It’s so easy to ride it feels like cheating, you can ride it almost brainless. On one hand I want the higher performing suspension, but on the other hand this is just so much fun. Considering a TT upgrade and raise is to the height of the standard Norden. Might be just the perfect middleground.
Yeah, Norden sits just in between and is perfect for mixed roads but still remains more road oriented than Expedition and ADVR. At some moment, I would like to have xplor kit so i can jump around with an ease of mind, but it gets sooo tall and it is not cheap at all :')
If I don't expand my drivevay with one more bike, I will eventually get the xplor I guess. It's really worthy upgrade IMO if you ride at least 10% or more offroad.
I am currently at 48k kms with Norden, and 10-15k is surely offroad, so it makes sense in my head.
Cheers!
You meant to say North Macedonia, if such country exists, and not Macedonia...there is not such country as Macedonia, some respect please. Thanks for the video nevertheless 901 is such a nice bike.
It's far from disrespect.
It is how even my close friends from there call it. I would, and am doing the same with Bosnia, States, Congo, Vatican and my country - (Republic of) Serbia.
Thanks, made almost 39k on mine, gonna do the review soon. Great bike all in all.
AUD $28,000.oo
At our towns bike shop... 🇦🇺
daaayum. come here buy it travel back home, sell it... PROFIT
$30,000 in NZ
€15,500 = $28,000 NZ cheaper to suck it up & buy in NZ
Is the whole country a dump?
No of course, but that was only place I had in mind that wasn't covered in mud after days of rain.
So what's with that long-term review of your 901 we are all waiting .