The Indo-European Ritual of Human Sacrifice
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- To understand Human Sacrifice means understanding the sacrificial ritual and feast within those Indo-European Cultures that performed it, and to do this we must also understand Proto Indo-European Cosmogony and the Creation Myth. In this video we look at Society, Butchers, Sacrifice, and Philosophy to see how it brings all this together. This video does discuss sensitive topics such as human and animal sacrifice, and so please avoid watching if such topics will upset you.
References:
Information on the society is all taken from Walter Arnold, The life and death of the Sublime Society of Steaks (London: Bradbury, Evans, 81 Co., 1871).Bella Gallico 6.14.
S.F. Nadel, Nupe religion (New York: Schocken, 1970), pp. 73-74.
Godfrey Lienhardt, Divinity and Experience: The religion of the Dinka (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1961), p. 23-24, 233-234
J. Goody, Cooking, cuisine, and class (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1982), p. 91.
M. Eliade. Eternal Myth
B. Lincoln. Myth, Cosmos and Society
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0:00 Introduction
3:38 The Sublime Society for Beef Steaks
8:38 Hierarchy in Feasts and Sacrifice
13:13 Indo-European Cosmogony
33:31 Butchers and Philosophy
It makes me think of chimpanzees dividing the kill after a hunt. Giving of meat reinforces social bonds and relationships. It makes me ponder - is the ritual older than the myth? It is said that a ritual reenacts the myth. But is it also perhaps that a myth arises to encode and rationalize a ritual?
Arguably, many if not the vast majority of the myths, the oldest myths all come from our longer history, its really our own fault for thinking ourselves so different despite carrying out many of the same rituals and practices to this day.
I was wondering the same thing. I thought of them being pastoralist and they were dependant on their cattle for a survival. So when one of the animals was killed, everything was used, not only the meat for food. Almost everything that allowed their lifestyle would come from the animal. That must have informed them that creating the Universe was the same, just on a larger scale. They projected their own actions from the everyday life, into an act of creation. That's my attempt of a hypothesis.
As a child I was taught a version of the Greek Prometheus myth wherein after he gave the humans fire, he placated Zeus by convincing them to accept burnt offerings. He let the gods choose what part of the animal was for them.
Prometheus then showed the meat with bone sticking out so it was less appetizing, tricking the gods into choosing the innards to be burnt for them and the meat to be eaten by the sacrificers. It was only then that Prometheus was punished with the liver eating eagle.
Unfortunately i was in elementary school so i don’t know the source or accuracy.
That version was probably a modern "interpretation" based on modern attitudes. For those who burn five or ten thousand calories a day, or live on a heavy muscle meat diet, it is a huge bonus to kill animal and eat liver, or brains or some of the other rich fatty organs other than muscle meat. My wife's very rich grandmother used to serve brains and egg sandwiches at elite parties. Something abhorrent to modern Americans.
I remember hearing the same thing, I wonder if the story would be in Hesiod's Theogony?
As I listened to this I couldn't help but thinking about many key dinners during my youth. Particularly those that occurred at holidays. Some things stood out in my thoughts. The first was the hierarchy of age and importance of those at table, with the head of the house (whomever was the host) always announcing the start of the meal, the preliminary prayers (grace, as we called it) that were part of organized meals, and the distribution of foods. There were often items or cuts of meat that shared only by adults, often because of their value, or the inability for young taste buds to enjoy. But even these would be introduced to children as the aged. All were rituals that we practiced, most without a deeper understanding than tradition, that seem to be widespread throughout civilization. These held more or less true whomever was the host, and even across ethnic or religious history.
Fascinating stuff.
Thank you, I thoroughly enjoyed using the dinner analogy.
Very observant man, after reading through your post I recognize myself moving through the hierarchy to becoming the host every other year. I think alot of these ancient rituals are embedded into our lives
I grabbed myself a cup of brandy instead and ended up comprehending only about half of this video. Bear that in mind when choosing between brandy and the recommended cup of tea.
Thanks, C. Your warning about the content was kind of amusing. Considering the plethora of body horror movies and video games available, a bit of human sacrifice is tame. Then again, UA-cam.
Very interesting. Not many people are willing to tackle it. I have always wondered about it. It's very interesting linking it down to modern times. In a way it's comforting. Like we are holding hands with our ancestors back to the dawn of time.
Thank you.
It is interesting to attend a local potlatch in one of the local villages. It often reminds me of mythic scenes from history. The elders get first pick of the prime piece, the head, especially the eyes, and then the tongue. I often wonder if they forgot there was a mythic reason, when asked they don't know of any religious relation, or it's the taste, though cooked eyes aren't very tasty. Then the other portions are offered by social rank.It's especially interesting as the local villages are matriarchal but the older men get first choice.
The eyes may not be tasty, but they're almost pure fat, so they certainly have value from certain perspectives. Brains are extremely useful in tanning procedures, as well as nutritionally. That sort of thing. Are you from the American northwest? That's the region where the Potlatch seems to be most significant.
it was great to listen to this while cooking.
Less than five minutes in and i thought about all the butchered animal bones unearthed by archeologists at the 'Pot Bellied Hill' in SE Anatolia.
Absolutely brilliant episode Jon because for me who is fascinated by Gobekli Tepe and other similarly ancient pre pottery sites it has put a bit more weight on the theory of it being a seasonal, ceremonial? 'coming together and feasting' place rather than a 'village'
I would love to have been a fly on a T-pillar at these prehistoric 'All you can eat' parties!
I must admit this is one of my most favorite videos, because it brings together so much and makes sense of it all. And thank you for your kind words, they are always appreciated.
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This is a perfect example of how many things in our daily lives go far far back to our hunter/gatherer ancestors when they were religious in nature. They are no longer considered as symbolic yet many of us know the bonding importance of dining with friends and some don't realize this. This video is a lesson in cultural anthropology and history and how connected we all are to one another.
When I was coming of age, I remember feeling that eating with new groups of my peers was spiritual. I couldn't put it into words, but the words "breaking bread" had crystalized from an old religious trope into something that I now had experienced. I had to experience it outside of my blood relatives, to experience it in another frame of reference as it were. Then I took an anthropology course and learned that it was part of the human condition.
This was very insightful, and I'd honestly like to hear more on this topic. Human sacrifice in particular is often viewed as a taboo, which makes it hard to understand why it happened in the first place. I appreciate you providing some needed perspective on the matter
I do have a couple of other videos that talk about it, although not as in depth as the point of the ritual of sacrifice is acting out the cosmogonic story, which are where those videos focus.
Yes please to a Druid deep dive!
Watching the show Brittania and wondering about the accuracy of the Druid creation myth they portray is actually a part of what got me re-interested in mythology and listening to your channel
My guess is very little. As I thought that hardly anything is really known about the druids. Look at Ron Hutton's authoritative books if you're interested.
What we have of Celtic mythology is notable in that there is no creation myth as we would understand it. I'm a little spotty on Welsh stuff, but within Irish mythology, the world just exists with various waves of immigrations into Ireland starting with Ceasair and her people (who I suspect eventually become the Fomorians, though this is not explicitly stated--only that the Great Flood of the Bible takes them and with Fintan mac Bochra, Ceasair's husband surviving in the form of a salmon and becoming a witness to all of Irish history), followed by the Partholonians who have to deal with the seemingly indigenous Fomorians that weren't there when Ceasair showed up. They win against the Fomorians but then all die of a plague. Next are the Nemedians who also war with the Fomorians but lose and are driven from Ireland and then separate into two groups: The Fir Bolg who go south and the Tuatha De Danann (the gods, essentially) who go north where they learn magic. The Fir Bolg come back first and apparently coexist with the Fomorians, and they're the people who divide Ireland into 5 provinces and establish the High Kingship. Then the Tuatha De Danann return to Ireland, propose dividing it between the two groups, which the Fir Bolg say no to (the Tuatha De Danann want dominion over the sacred center of Ireland), they go to war, the TDD take most of Ireland and the Fir Bolg are allowed the province of Connacht when the war ends. Then the TDD go to war with the Fomorians when the half Fomorian king Bres is forced to abdicate due to his poor kingship leading to a curse from a poet and he runs to his dad for an army. TDD defeat the Fomorians, and then in a very Klingon twist, Gaels show up at some point and defeat the TDD (who again are obviously gods), the TDD withdraw to the Otherworld but still enter this one and interact and intermarry with the Gaels. Of course, there's a fair bit of separating and coalescing and unifying of peoples after bloodshed, so there's an echo of a creation myth there, but other than the Genesis narrative briefly being tacked onto it, Ireland just always kinda exists
I possess, of course, a twisted sense of humor! That beef Society reminds me of an episode of "Alfred Hitchcock Presents." There was a club in which the members met, periodically, to share a meal of what was said to be a very rare breed of lamb, found only on the Serengeti Plain of Kenya. The persons who gathered were all "probationers," eagerly waiting to be inducted as full-fledged members. Every so often, one was chosen. His portrait would end up being hung on the wall. And oddly, he would never more attend the meetings.... Just before his "initiation," he would receive the supreme honor of meeting the chef (who was, otherwise, always secluded in the kitchen). This one member had been selected. He was conducted to the normally locked door to the kitchen, which then swung open. The chef was standing there, smiling...holding a meat cleaver....
Our human sacrifice is done through attrition for the great god MarKet.
Or his newer and more sinister aspects such as Aborto, Socjust, and Transor. So much child sacrifice, but at least it keeps the ESG soma flowing.
Fascinating! I've been learning about ancient Greek religion recently (specifically the legends of Dionysus) which of course includes ritual sacrifice. From our modern perspective, it's jarring and uncomfortable to face such things (like the legend of Dionysus' maenads tearing apart the local king (who is even the son of one of the women) by hand in a mad frenzy, and his cults reenacting this with animal youth (like lambs and fawns), full grown bulls (one of his forms), and even men (to represent the king), but I did want to acknowledge that this was a reality in much of the ancient world, and your video helps me understand the possible rationale for why it was considered an acceptable and even honorable practice back then.
When you think about it in a way we still honor the concept of sacrifice for one's group/nation/side with the countless examples of pop culture stories (like Hollywood movies) that still revere it, with the difference being that the life of the character sacrificed is ended by the enemy or force of nature rather than ceremonially by his own group. But, the motivations and goals are the same (preservation and continuation of their world as they know it)... Kind of like how our quasi-religious attachment to eating slabs of meat (and beef in particular) on special occasions still endures from the days of this elite British social club, which in turn is further rooted in the ritual sacrifice of bulls in our ancient past.
Dionysius is often mentioned in terms of 'negativity' , as symbol of man's own contradictory and often conflicted nature. Through the ages this 'negativity' is seen as the antithesis of the thesis of the time, the contradiction or critique of power and systems of control, or simply the chaos in the order.
thanks Jon, another great lesson
i couldn't help thinking how this makes me look at the early Christian sacrament a lot differently
However, the Canaanite ancestor approach to human sacrifice may have significant differences to that of the Indo-Europeans. The later Jewish writings allude to the human sacrifices of their ancestors, and of course Carthage (which was founded by colonizers from the Levant) was accused of human sacrifices by Rome. And by the time Christianity was setting up its dogmas, the syncretism between Greek-thought and the Jewish-roots surely made the evolved Christian sacrament into something that neither the ancient Canaanites nor the ancient Indo-Europeans would have recognized.
@@TheDanEdwards thanks but not even close to my thought process lol
i was just thinking about the whole symbolism "eat in remembrance of my body"
@@hugespinner4890 Dr. Tabor has a video today which discusses that phrase, in his discussion of the apostle Paul with Paul Williams.
What?!? You mean mythology is grounded in ritual, not history, Lol. Yes, indeed it is. This was your best video ever.
Thank you for your kind words.
Yesterday I watched last week’s episode of Inside No. 9 which was about human sacrifice. A Welsh school class sacrifices the new teacher in order to secure the fertility of the soil. Incredibly bizarre and also quite funny.
A final remark, sorry for so many, but I am also reminded of another way that these shared meals were/are meant to bind people: the sympathetic magic(?). The idea that, having shared food, there was now a magical bond between people, so that if one hurt the other, they would be hurting themselves as well. Similar to the idea of blood brotherhood, etc., and one that also leads to cultural mores such as not breaking bread with an enemy. Not that this is directly related to sacrifice.
This is one of your most important videos recently in my opinion!! Everyone must know the reasoning and the purposes of sacrifice. Thanks a ton, still looking forward to your dawnhorse video!
Thank you, I agree, this is a very important video for those who want to know about sacrifice, I tried to make it so it would make sense to those practicing traditional religions.
This is fascinating, thank you!
Thanks for this. I find the notion of sacrifice to be perhaps the most strange and unfortunate product of the human imagination. How we invented and enacted the practice in the first place is something I've puzzled over for a long time. For myself, it illuminates the most bizarre and horrific aspects of our mentality; a sad development in the history of our species. As usual, your talk was excellent.
Thank you for your kind words.
I find that the idea of human sacrifice to the gods is still active in government today. Consider a dangerous street junction. There is one near me, lacking crosswalk striping, there is a sign that indicates the presence of a left-turn lane where the center line ceases and the street retains the same width, nearby is an intersection with a state route with a traffic signal-- a smaller street with a two-way stop is twenty feet away from this. Traffic laws are being violated by motorists at a rate of 100 an hour here. The danger would be alleviate by appropriate road striping and a second traffic signal coordinated with the first. However, this would entail the expenditure of some amount of money.
The city street department would spend that amount of money or even the state would provide money if someone were to die there. But until someone dies, no one cares about the danger present or the rectification of it. They simply demand a human sacrifice from the local populace and travelers to the gods of road casualties be made before any safety improvements will be made.
Agreed, it is a part of the human-kind hunting group that would come up with this idea, I think lions and other alpha predators allow the alpha lion or the alpha wolf and their immediate kin to eat first from a kill. It is very primitive and, alas unfortunately, has been reinforced and kept apparently through the generations.
Maybe when disaster hit, and animal sacrifices didn’t do the trick of ‘placating the gods’, people made the ultimate sacrifice: a human.
Think of the jewish annual tradition of sacrificing a perfect goat and ritually burdening a similar one with all the sins of the people before sending it into the wilderness to die. This animal sacrifice only worked for one year. Then Jesus is (said to be) sacrificed at Pesach and another man, a sinner called Barabbas, which incidentally means ‘son of man’, a title also given to Jesus, is set free, and this sacrifice will save mankind forever, no animal sacrifice necessary anymore.
@@kellydalstok8900 several problems with what you say. Pesach has nothing to do with Yom Kippur; Bar Abbas means 'son of the father ' which, does apply uniquely to Christ in the Gospel of John, but "son of man/ son of Adam" means human. Any member of humankind. The goat that goes off into the wilderness is the one that carries the sin of the nation, not the goat sacrificed (to cover the sins of the presenting priest). Thousands of humans were killed by crucifixion by the Roman Empire, Jesus was executed, not sacrificed, and not ceremonially in the Temple or by the High Priest --- so why does his death end the need for sacrifice when thousands proceeded his? It's a very incongruous myth with that of the Judeans.
Lastly, how is a son of man the ultimate object to sacrifice when there are sons of god and gods extant?
Myself, I think Jesus became thought of as carrying away the sins of the world because he walked away alive. His story embodied the myths of the Apis bull and Osiris (Serapis) in the imagination of his disciples wishing to honor their master who never returned. As well as the pesach lamb, the story of Joseph, the story of Jonah, and Orion. Also became thought of as Second Adam, a second Elijah, and a second Moshe.
I also find it odd that people would contrast 'wisdom' and 'sacrifice.' Yes, we are now reasonably confident that sacrifice is not needed, but based on their philosophical positions, it was essential.
I would love to have a more dedicated look at the druids and Celtic belief in general!
Yes, please. The tribal beliefs have been buried under so many successive invasions. I'd love to hear more. 😊
There really is a dearth of good scholarship online about Celtic mythology. I understand that's partially because it's so fragmented, but I think the big traditions like the Scandinavian, the Egyptian, and the Greco-Roman just get a lot more love from academics because earlier historians have spent much more time on them. They have a history of history, so to speak. I'd love to see more Celtic content out there in the hopes that it would inspire more scholarship in the future.
Indeed. Yet sacrifice is in fact needed, a concept that seems to escape many adhering to today's 'you can have it all' greedy mentality...
Eating dinner with friends or eating friends with dinner?
I used to think of human sacrifice as barbaric. Now, after learning more about the cosmogony behind it - and in light of having survived cardiac arrest and no longer being afraid of death - I wonder if some might offer themselves willingly so that their life and death would have meaning. Would they wonder if they wouldn't be remembered? Or would that be the point, a hope that their act would preserve their culture that their relatives would remember their name.
What?
@@aWomanFreed No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his friends.
@@jakeaurod these ppl eat murdered children, not grown adults who have willingly made some type of choice. Smh
@@aWomanFreed timestamp?
It's called suicide, and partly why it's illegal.
There is a recurring theme of the god/king giving/sacrificing of himself to his people that survives all the way up to the renaissance period (where small cut meat incidentally started becoming a normal commodity). It reminds me of the story of Set and Osiris, in which Set is the bad guy for dismembering his brother and distributing his parts all over Egypt. I wonder if there hides somewhere in that story the origins of how the Pharaoh became a figure of absolute monarchy rather than the more egalitarian figure he may have been previously.
Absolutely would love a video about Druids
Herodotus reports that Persians despised human sacrifices, and a on a rare occasion when they didn't show religious tolerance, they ordered Egyptians to stop human sacrifices to fire.
Zoroastrianism is also extremely against eating meat and considers this to be the great sin of Yima that cost him his "glory" or mandate of heaven, in a sense.
I'm curious as to what you think this means with regard to the evolution of Indo-European myths in Iran.
Maybe influenced by the Indian subcontinent?
Zoroastrianism sort of begun from a priest who led a reform that turned into eventually a revolution or rebellion against the inhumane old ways which kept the Kavis and Karapans in power. In comparison to Abrahamic religions it is supposed to have believed in literal cosmological dualism rather than being cosmologically monist + only ethically dualist. It introduced the rejection of alot of animal sacrifice and especially rejection of human sacrifice which came to be regarded as sins from what I heard, rejection of philosophies like people accepting 'might is right' rule and telling people to revolt against unjust hierarchies/authorities. e.g. In Zoroastrianism if a parent was evil or cruel then a child did not need to obey them and could think for themselves, they could be their own person with free will to choose good and etc with ostracisation of good being part of the struggle of Druj to suppress Asha and its agents, etc. It was pretty revolutionary according to historians.
Divinities would be divided into good deities led by Ahura Mazda who wishes for bad to be completely removed from creation vs the demons that people regard as 'deities' and their religions or even ideologies and ways of thinking that basically insist life "needs bad". Divine forces of the cosmos or nature which are responsible for and reward evil would be regarded as daevas or demons hence for example Indra was regarded as a demon.
Alot of neo-pagans I think tbh are unknowingly looking more so for something close to Zoroastrianism rather than the historical PIE Indo-European religions cause they allowed veneration of ancestors and divinities determined to be good by theologians/priests I think.
I'm glad you posted this,. Would you believe that people are literally currently trying to take enough of my strength so they can sacrifice me. I've been trying to gather enough resources to leave and never look back.
Good luck, I'd run too if I could.
Enjoyed this one, another fantastic lesson Jon. We enjoyed both versions. Keep up the great work, looking forward to your next video.
Too hot for tea, but I'm joining with a can of Bubly!
Very nice!
I found myself wondering, after watching some of the creation myths and early Proto-Indo-European language origins and wanderings, how these many stories and myths were passed on. Was this for 'children's bedtime' stories or for 'after dinner' stories or for 'during dinner' or some other kind of _big clan gathering)_ stories?? Just wondering how this was manifest to the next generation because some of the stories seem very intricate and complicated. Maybe a designated story teller for each tribe??
Love to have a few beers with this guy!
I will try and get out and about next year, in the US and Europe, so who knows.
Such an amazing video. Thank you for bringing such themes to youtube. I love them!
Thank you.
Ritual sacrifices also serve to remind the plebs that there are alternatives to teaching them their place. Same as it ever was. Like warfare, it's just politics by other means.
Some of you are going to dine on martyrs to the freedom that I shall provide. If you're lucky, that is, otherwise you yourself will be the main course. Let's not mince about or dilute the ultimate truth behind it all. Shut up, keep your place, or else.
right it's a control mechanism of more ruthless people that once might have been originated in not understanding nature.
"Maybe you're too influential to stay around, maybe you're too insignificant. We decide when it's time."
I’m squeamish and I only clicked on this since you said it was your favorite and least watched❤
Thank you.
What a treasure you have culminated good sir, and to that i say very interesting and informative to say the least 🙂
Thank you.
Wow, so much more involved than I initially thought!
Enlightening! Thank you for this video.
I like how deep you dig into your passion' and teacher's like my dad there in the picture are also great students
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Bight: Nautical Term for that Indent you see like an "V". 2 Sources of Light from the Eyes extend with the Bight being the Darkness Inbetween when the Light Source is viewed by another.
The 3rd eye located in the middle sees through said Darkness and thus Trinocular Vision is defined.
“Beef and Liberty”, the English always prided themselves as beef eaters compared to Continental Europeans especially the French. English cartoonists would compare the healthy and robust beef eating Englishman to scrawny French with their poor diets. The fact that an Englishman could eat meat was a visible sign of how prosperous the Englishman was; a fruit of English liberty.
Liberty and yet servants of the Crown?
What a crock of shit.
Which is hilarious.
@@quixotiq what 😂
I wonder how often sacrifices included psychoactive drugs, especially distributed to the 'audience'.
Beef and Liberty!💪
I can't help but think of the manga Shingeki no Kyojin, and the different Titans, and consumption of each other for power.
It's interesting to compare this with the Buddhist ritual if Chod, where one visualises oneself as sacrificed, dismembered, and fed in a feast to a hierarchy of celestial beings.
I think I've watched all of your videos at least once and enjoy them immensely. I am familiar with the flying chariots or palaces or vehicles of the Ramayana and Mahabharata, but I would guess there is a rich background in Proto Indo-European myth. If this is so, I would love to see a deep dive into flying vehicles; should be tea-worthy!
Hey, I’m a big fan of your channel. I was wondering if you can do a video or two on Finnish mythology and the Kalevala. I’ve heard it’s origins are a bit unique and inspired Tolkien quite a bit. Just an idea, but one not as well known and think you’d do a great job at it. They were named the happiest country in the world for the 6th year in a row so I find it fitting to hear more about their ancient roots. Thanks!
Yes, I have plans to do these and hopefully, later this year if all goes to plan.
@@Crecganford awesome! Their linguistic origins are also pretty interesting. I’ll be looking forward to it!
Love your page brotha. Great video 💯
Thank you.
Thank you fortfarande this video - made me think alot
I have never once regretted time spent watching Crecganford! Once the spring lambs are nice and fat on summer grass I'm getting one of the tea mugs to make my viewership complete!
Thank you for your kind words.
Manu and yemu(yama) in vedic scarifice myth is probably most detailed
This is all so much like a literal version of the Eucharist - body and blood of a human sacrifice shared by all the believers
A lot of mystery rites had "Eucharistic" rituals (like the Bacchic), incorporating the soul/divinity of the deity into their own being via consuming the physical body.
no cuppa but got my bottle of water
perfect subject at 12:40 AM
all ready to go
Thanks. You don't really understand something until you can take it apart & put it back together. Hmmm... ;) tavi.
"Beef, its what's for dinner... Or else"
Hmmm... Distribution of the sacrifice>>Christian celebration of the eucharist... ?
They still do it.
This made me wonder about the dismemberment in Judges.
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Wow great video! I often find myself wondering how people felt watching these sacrifices. We're they horrified? Or was it just normal for them.? Did they all have PTSD but of course never knew it and could that mass PTSD have shaped their social norms etc? And why did they create myths that included sacrifice? If you're human with all this imagination, why do you make your creation myth with a sacrafice that you must then replicate in rituals. Why not imagine something else? Could it be that by ritualizing death they were subduing it? Especially at a time when death was frequent and loss was hard on the group survival? I doubt you'll see this comment but a video addressing these questions would be amazing! Also yes to the druids :) thanks for another amazing video!
Definitely fascinating. I'd be interested to see more about the Druids and the connection to the sacrifice of the Corn King - which is, presumably, derived from the strands you've elucidated here.
My Linguistics Professor at UCL used the language of the Nupe (pitched: really hard on English ears) and he pronounces them Noo-Pay.
I'm quite tangled in the order in which to watch your videos but enjoying them immensely!
Thank you for your comment. There are some pronoun citations I am bound to not get right because I cover so many languages, and so I would imagine a linguistic professor trumps one in mythology in this case. As for the order of videos I am putting together as guide to help, and I will mention when it is available because I am aware I do jump around on topics quite a bit.
Njord demands human sacrifice for his gifts.
39:28 Oh you mean the scientific theory of conservation of matter and energy! I love when the really old religions contain things that match up to science so well. Sure they mythologized it, but it just shows how much attention they were paying to the natural world and how they incorporated it into their life
Very interesting. How about the egyptian myth of Osiris killed by Seth and dismantled ? Anyway very interesting indeed.
Thank you.
You know, it's interesting at 37:00, the victim is the part and the whole. Exactly the confusion about the father, son and holy ghost. And Jesus was believed to be the ultimate sacrifice.
comparative myopology into Western thought yes - most pithy and spot on!
Now I’m really hooked how to put this together with the Semitic origins of Christianity. So much of what you told reminded me of the (self) sacrifice of Jesus and the resulting sacrament. But there must be some other influences if I’m not wrong.
I see some symbolic relation to the Mithras cult, him being lord of wide pastures and being shown slaying a bull for supposedly the ritual meal.
Sublime Society of Beefsteaks? Sounds like a place for this carnivore :D Hey is there a video where you talk about your tattoos? The glimpses I see seem like they'd be interesting
One day I may, maybe next year when I do a bit of travelling and talking a bit more about life.
@@Crecganford Sounds great xD
I would be interested to learn how the scholar Mircea Eliade is considered nowadays by academics.
Ooops I posted this before you credited him towards the end! Found his books spellbinding at uni in 1993, having discovered them by accident in the uni library.
Tea is brewing.
you need to do something against that high peeping noise maybe you dont hear it but there is a very high frequency in every video
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do you have an opinion on the Golden Bough by Frazer?
I wouldn't use it as an academic source, but it is worth a read, to know it is there and its arguments.
The Irish dustribbuted the parts of the hunt in accord with status.
This makes me wonder of the concept of a Lord of Misrule could have origins in times of human sacrifice? Would someone maybe be selected to be the 'twin' of the king for a certain amount of time, to live like a king with rich clothing, food, and housing, only to be sacrificed as the 'twin' or Yemo figure for the benefit of the whole? Or is this just my mind asking the question of what the sacrificed individual gets from the deal?
This may well have happened in some cultures.
Did the last video get dinged for the word butcher in the title?
The Society of Steaks, that insisted on eating beef steaks every night as they had to change their name to the Honoroable Society of Gout, and soon faded into obscurity due to faltering attendance..
Sacrifice - Just Druid!
How can I buy the figurines in the background shelf😂?
Is this why the word "to cleave" means both "to join" and "to part"?
I'm not an etymologist, but it would be fascinating to understand this.
Sort of, cleavage simply means the space between two points.
The Virtuous Noble Lie of Egalitarianism and the
Trap of the Ocult Agreement of Consent.
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To the Conscious Hell 💚
Until the Paradise of Consciousness 💜
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0:09 I hope it includes sacrifice! Otherwise imma be pretty mad!
Like buying an energy drink, and it saying [Warning: Contains Caffeine]. It better!!!
(I am jesting. I know it's for legal protection)
That's why cows r sacred in india. But people won't understand this.
LOL, I misread the titles that said "translation available in xxxx" and thought I saw "Neanderthal" !!!! I wish. You may be able to go back to P.I.E. and even a bit beyond but . . . .
Haha! Translations for subtitles will be uploaded soon (I'm a little behind on these for this one)
I'm a bit surprised people would ask you not to teach about sacrifices. Of course they are inhumane. I mean, I am a vegan, but the past is the past, we are neither condoning nor condemning it by studying it.
I wonder, what was the psychology that led humans to begin sacrificing in the first place? Were the myths such as the sacrifice of Yemo first? Or were they created later after sacrifice had begun? There's a bit of a chicken or egg question here, I feel like?
Theology > Ritual > Narrative > (then repeat and rinse as needed)
This is why I think mythological themes are so enduring, because these three elements provide a feedback loop that is highly self-sustaining while also slowly evolving.
I find it unlikely that human sacrifice had a beginning after the beginning of Homo sapiens sapiens.
Quite.
0:49 I'll have nice Chianti
This means that it's likely that the Jewish division of meat sacrificed to Yahweh derived from an earlier tradition. Their priests were allowed to eat meat only specific portions of the animal and some of it was literally burnt as an offering, which was prepared so as to smoke billowing vapors up to the heavens. They probably had special instructions for disposing of the ashes or storing them.
Same story of Zeus and Prometheus deciding on the portions that would be sacrificed in exchange for giving fire to humans.
Does indo european relgion also talks about oxen scarifice ?pls ans
Yes, it is a key sacrifice, as the bovine is considered a gift from god and an essential part of the cosmogony. I have made videos about it.
I can't place your accent amigo, do you mind sharing where you're from? I like your style but as good as your English is I still have a hard time catching every word...thanks for the captions.
I’m from London, but have lived in the various extremes of the United Kingdom.
People knew they were animals too and had killed to sustain themselves..in order to keep balance a sacrifice was offered . This quickly went wrong .Just a thought .
I have trouble connecting this creation story with Iranian mythology. Creation story in both Zorodostrian and persian mythology is very different . I cant even find the elements of it in Zamyad Yasht or Band e Heshtan. Could you give a little bit of a hint ?
Btw, about the elements, maybe there is a connectin between the elements and the Izads of the Zorodostrian. Although Herodotus also said that Xerxes had a million soldiors and Acamenids were monogomous. So maybe the whole thing is dismissed.
I have made videos about the creation myth and its links, look for videos titled the Indo European Creation Myth.
Inviting the bad elements to the meal may seem a bad idea but we are experencing the opposite, when the "undesirable" are pushed out and cities are forced to spend 50 million or so on homelessness.
You know it's crazy but we could just literally give everyone a house. It's cheaper and more humane then any other alternative!
@@theangryholmesian4556 We could buy the homeless in Anchorage $30,000 homes in Arkansas and pay for the flight for less than they spend on them in two years.
@@algernoncalydon3430 Why are you so desperate to herd people like cattle? Where's your love for your fellow humans?
BEEF AND NEVER LIBERTY…….😊😊😊😊😊
Why not both?
How did Yemo split into Yama and Purusha
I touch on this on my videos about the Creation Myth of the Indo Europeans which are well worth a watch.
im trying to understand😢❤
Was the Indo European religion henotheistic. In India there is Brahman or God along with the gods. I guess there is the Sky Father, but he is not the same as Brahman.
Spinoza defines fate without using the word fate, that is, without knowing it. But right after the definition, he says that there is no such thing as fate. For example, he says: "Whatever happened had to be the way it was, it couldn't have been otherwise." Moreover, he slightly curses those who think that it could have been otherwise. This is the definition of fate. We call everything that has happened fate. It is the task of philosophers to explain why it is so and why it cannot be otherwise. Religious people partially realized that everything that happened had to happen, and they called it fate. The religion founders could not make a definition because they could not grasp this difficult issue. There is no definition of fate in religion, so no reference can be made to religion for fate. Although religion does not have a fixed definition of fate, the word fate is excluded as if it excludes religion.
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