History of Goju-Ryu: The Kata that Miyagi Added
Вставка
- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- It's time for another episode of History of Goju-Ryu, and this time, I wanted to challenge myself and see if I could figure out which kata Miyagi Chojun learned from Higaonna Kanryo, which he learned from other styles, and where those other kata come from?
Sources:
/ 1651898668448585
www.fightingart...
web.archive.or...
touonryu.com/
www.wayofleast...
ryukyu-bugei.co...
www.uchinadi-ka...
www.isshinkai.n...
www.isshinkai.n...
www.karatebyje...
www.tsurukigoj...
www.chinadaily....
www.taipinginst...
• Dishu Quan Documentry ...
www.wayofleast...
www.wayofleast...
www.wayofleast...
• 白鹤拳 小四门
I added Jite, wankan (shotokan), and kakusen (Asai Ryu) to my Goju kata. Thanks for the great content!
Hi, I love your videos, thanks for sharing your knowledge. Would you please talk about dojo etiquette? Bowing to the teacher before class, Oss vs osu, Kiai’s value and history, and maybe the goals of kata outside of memorizing the motions. I really value your work, it has been challenging to find people who enjoy the history as well as the physical part. I’m glad I found this channel.
@@laurak6127 Laura, as for kata, it is for more than just memorizing the motions.
It’s main purpose is to build muscle memory. This trains your body and mind as one. This conditions you to react reflexively without having to plan the use of a particular technique or movement.
This reflexive action is gained only by
having conditioned your mind and body
as one, by practicing a kata over and over and over, to the point of exhaustion, where your body is screaming that it can’t go on, and your mind takes over and says do it again. This is when the reflexive conditioning begins to take hold and starts to gain speed of movement and reaction time without having to engage the thought processes. In some cases, if you have to think about it, it’s already too late.
This is what make the difference between a fighter and a karateka.
The person that is highly proficient in kata, will usually be the one to come out on top on the street, rather that the fighter from the ring.
Nice, I love history. I think i will like to add back Naihanchi because i understand that at one point, it was part of the Goju Ryu curriculum and its good for close quater combat. I learned that Kata when i was doing Shotokan (Tekki) and later learned another version from Okinawa Kenpo Karate.
Some goju schools still practice naifanchi. after Itosu and Higaona died, some of their students started to train together, Miyagi and Go kenki founded the "Ryukyu Tode Kenkyukai", the main instructor was Motobu Choyu, they probably learned several kata from Go Kenki.
In 1936 Miyagi wrote: "Sanchin, Tensho and Naifanchi are the fundamental kata. Through practicing them, we can develop correct posture. We can inhale and exhale correctly. We can adjust increasing or decreasing our power harmoniously. We can develop a powerful physique and the strong will of a warrior."
you can read his full "Historical Outline Of Karate-do, Martial Arts Of Ryukyu" essay here milos.io/historical-outline-of-karate-do-martial-arts-of-ryukyu/
Excellent presentation! I was waiting for you to mention Naihanchi, or perhaps Suparinpei Go and Chu, the katas that Miyagi removed after WWII, but perhaps next time :)
Looking forward to the next video, whatever it may contain!
Chojun Miyagi trainend Naihanchi???!!!
Thank you for another interesting video..great job 👍
Excellent video. You mentioned how Toguchi Sensei added Kakuha and Gekiha katas, well he also added Hookiyu kata to the system. which are the first kata taught in the Toguchi lineage in both Sho-Rei-Kan and Sho-Rei-Shobu-Kan. Similar to Gekisai although without the mae geri and empi uchi.
I know it as "Fukyu kata", he also added Hakutsuru no mai.
Excellent video. Thank you for the research and sharing your work.
I love your insight... be great if you could add clips of the kata or techniques you cover in your videos just to break them up and also I do like comparing kata from different Ryu. But loving your channel!
remember that Seisan is from Incense Shop Boxing, which is the original Monk Fist that survived some cultural revolution type nastiness :)
More than one Chinese style has a form related to Seisan. That's why the Seisan from Naha Te and Shuri Te look so different. Shorin Ryu's Seisan comes from Incense Shop boxing (aka Lou Han Quan), and Goju Ryu's Seisan comes from Yong Chun Bai He Quan.
I added 4 of the Pinan, Niseishi, Naihanchi and Nepai to the standard 12.
It is interesting to see modern karate experts demonstrating Kung fu. It always looks very karate like to me. Perhaps it was just the applications and form practiced by someone with prior training. I think this would make it almost impossible to find the root now. And further perhaps searching for the root is not the best thing. Maybe more practice?
I did find Filip Konjokrads book "Goju-ryu Nyumon" very informative with regards to the history behind the kata that Miyagi added. 👍
Konjokrad is almost certain that Higashionna only taught Sanchin, Seisan, Sanseiru and Pechurin. 🥋 He is not even certain that today's Suparinpei is Pechurin since the version from To'on-ryu looks quite different. Filip's diskussion on Seiyunchin and Kururunfa is certainly interesting. 👌
His other book "History and Stories of Goju-Ryu" is a must have as well. 👍
I really enjoy Konjokrad's work and have been looking to get my hands on that book as soon as I reasonably can! He's one of the karate researchers that have been my biggest inspirations (others being Andreas Quast and Giles Hopkins, for example).
@@GojuRyuPhilosopher Andreas Quast is a personal favorit, I follow his blogg. 🙇♂️
I recently saw that Patrick McCarthy recommended Heinrich Büttner's "Koryu Goju Ryu Karate Jutsu" book series. 👌
Another book I have heard much about is "Gōjū-Ryū Karate-Dō Desk Reference 剛柔流空手道 机参照: Volume 1: Introduction & Historic Chronology 武道, 武術の歴史" by Johnpaul Williams. I'm also a fan of Christopher M. Clarke's three part series on Karate and Kobudo. 🙏
Interesting... I have not seen this Rokkishu kata but in white Crain I do a form called Liu zhi shou which means 6 hands.
I love your Video's
What lineage of Goju Ryu are you from?
Excuse me; if you care to read the history of Isshin ryu; Isshin-ryu ryu didn't explicitly add outside influences from Shotokan. Tatsuo Shimabukuro; the originator of the Isshin ryu system explicitly studied under Chotoku Kyan, Chojun Miyagi and Choki Motobu. He never studied under Master Funikoshi whose system is termed Shotokan.
He was referring to Kyokushin and Isshin-ryu respectively. Oyama trained in Goju-ryu and Shotokan, which is why Kyokushin has the Pinan kata, Naihanchi, Passai, etc and Goju kata like Seienchin, Seipai, Sanchin and Tensho.
Thank you for your info, I believe you mentioned the book Karate-do Gaisetsu, is it still available?
I don't know if there is anywhere to acquire it on its own, but there are several larger works that contain it in translation, such as Patrick McCarthy's Koryu Uchinadi books. I believe that the translation appears in the second volume. Also, the related work Ryukyu Kempo Karate-do Enkaku Gaiyo essay is available in translation online.
Isshinryu has no Shotokan influence.
My teacher's teachers didn't speak of styles, but theory, principle and then techniques. What does sanchin teach? Filling-holding-emptying-advancing. The techniques that arrive might be bridging , collapsing and exploding forward.
The old masters were like the new ones-dharma combat migrants. Like the TV show Route 66, but with martial arts.
I thought Aragaki made a bunch of katas
Chojun Sensei added:
Geki Sai Dai Ichi, Geki Sai Dai Ni, Tensho and a Modified Sanchin Kata.
Taking a look at his other students does not provide you with an accurate lineage of our Kata. Chojun Sensei learned the Naha-Te Kata from Higaonna Kanryo Sensei. He learned the following Kata from Higaonna Kanryo Sensei:
Saifa, Seiyunchin, Shisochin, Sanseru, Seipai, Kururunfa, Sesan and Suparinpei.
There's have been speculations on Saifa, Seiyunchin, Seipai and Kururunfa, but if you study Sanseru, Sesan and Suparinpei, you will find the connections of all these Kata. Please read the History of Karate by Higaonna Morio Sensei, it will give you a rationale as to why not all students learned all the Katas.
Kyoda was a student of Kanryo Higashionna not Miyagi, and yes looking at other students of his does give insights into what Kanryo taught. Kanryo most likely only taught Sanchin, Seisan, Sanseiru and Pechurin, which is a different kata from Goju-Ryu Suparinpei. There was a recent interview with Sadayuki Taira in the Okinawa times who stated that Chojun Miyagi created Seipai. Tetsuhiro Hokama has also stated in an interview that Chojun Miyagi created Saifa. If you look deeply enough into things you will find evidence for the other kata being from different sources as well.
I commend you, for your effort, if you wish to know more about the lineage and origins of Goju, You may want to look up Hokama Tetsuhiro Sensei in Okinawa (the creator of the Karate and Kobudo Museum) and his Senior student in the USA Luis Morales Hanshi. www.kenshikai.org