The Last Tiger II Prototype - History Bovington Tiger.
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- The Last Tiger II Prototype - History of the Bovington Tiger.
During April 1945 the British Captured several vehicles at the Henschel proving grounds at Haustenbeck, Sennelager, Germany.
They would discover several interesting vehicles here
Like the immense chassis of the E100 project and the Grille II or the geschuttzwagen Tiger, a Jagdtiger which had the rare Porsche running gear, and two Soft steal Tiger II prototypes, a VK 30.01 henchels prototype that was made into and experimental trench digger, and two
soft steal tiger ii prototypes.
Soft steel meaning that it used mild steel for these prototypes and not normal hardened armoured plating.
The two V2 Tiger prototypes both had the same Early Krupp turrets design, these turrets and especially the Tiger II is often mistakenly called the Porsche Tiger II.
after the "Porsche" turret due to the misbelief that these turrets were designed by Porsche for their prototype, in reality both turrets were designed by Krupp. The Early turret proofed to be overly complex and expensive to make also tests proofed that the curved front of the turret acted as a shot trap.
Krupp still made 50 of these turrets until they were replaced by the late Krupp turret.
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I appreciate the history you and your team brought here.
This is beyond words that the Germans have created towards the end of the war.
Bravo work.
Thank you 👍
pristinely restored, what a beautiful piece of a machine
It's hard to comprehend how many rare tanks were scrapped, it's sad. But it's important to remember how war weary most of the world was in the decades following the end if WWII. If you were a French farmer with a lightly damaged Panzer VI in your field, there was literally no demand for that vehicle and it's parts (altho the French military did use csptured Panthers for about a decade, I believe) The farmer would not hesitate to scrap the Panzer, which was a symbol of the enemy and could bring him much needed money.
Many also started collecting them for the scrap metal.
@@PanzerPicture it was also kind of common to integrate parts of tanks and armoured vehicles into new and renewed buildings.
Good quality cheap builing material. I have seen pictures from engine decks in roofs and floors and also above doors.
ah there were also french(and dutch,belgian,etc) who carefully stored some-or a lot !_of vehicles and weapons they could get their hands on! there are pictures of nissen huts in france filled with german vehicles in private hands...
I've heard there were many "panzer tractors" in use by farmers, from USSR to France
Excellent work
Very interesting 'new' fact revelation. I'd always been led to believe it was Henschel v Porsche, that Porsche version required too much in short supply copper for adequate turret movement that negated its production engagement . Clearly, thanks to your detail, matters were more involved than that, and what we're shown on display isn't quite the all in one story. Thank you.
Glad you liked the video and found it to be informative.
Great video bro 😎
Thank you 👍
Scrapping an E-100 Chassis ... one of the most expensive mistakes known to man :D
That's nothing compared to when they decided to scrap the Warspite.
@@nimay13 The Spite would have made a nice museum for sure...but don´t forget an E-100 Hull sits whereever you put it and won´t cost anything then space. The Battleship on the other hand costs a fortune to maintain and even if a museum might have kept her afloat NOW, back when she was just out of order i highly doubt there would have been that much interrest.
@@nimay13 ain’t they scrapping a victor aswell
Very well done video.
Thank you for the comment 👍 👍
So many military machines were scrapped after the War, don’t forget Battleships like Warspite, B-32 Dominator, Westland Whirlwind, ect,ect,ect. More than you can name..After the war, it was considered scrap.
What happened to HMS Warspite was treasonous. Built in my hometown.
Have you seen how many German tanks sit in Iraq etc
Ho-229 just sat there and decayed in a warehouse after it was captured. Till it was brought to light again of course.
IS THAT TIGER STILL AT THE SOEST MUSEUM?? THE TIGER II (P/H) IS LEGIT MY FAV TANK AND THAT MUSEUM IS MERE KILOMETERS FROM MY HOME
Been gone for some time now.
Brilliantly can you make more videos about training facilities, tank factories etc. It's probably too special but I'm smiling right now.
I can do one about the Meppen training area.
@@PanzerPictureI'm ready (but as I said don't expect too much)
British when they capture a rare tank
"SCRAAPPPP !!!"
Shoot it on the range, but yeah then scrap.
Or... Some German ask to buy it and over 30 years later and ongoing private Restauration germany says... Hey this is illegal and towed it out of his basement without its tracks
We were pretty bad for that in those days; we scrapped HMS Warspite for a start. The Labour Government in their infinite wisdom.
@@Nordlicht05 Yh that was the panther
F in chat for E-100 Hull
Tiger ii is my biggest love ♥️
Porsche originally designed the Tiger tank with electric motors (!) behind each wheel. It was Germany's idea of an electric car.
It’s such a shame that the E100 hull was scrapped, bovington could flex on kubinka, if it weren’t scrapped...
Not really Kubinka is still one of the smallest Tank Museums in the world.
Well you know, the maus?
Indeed that's the Thic Boi.
Makes one wonder if it hadn't been scrapped if they would have built a replica turret for it since it was just the body, they officially built.
I suddenly encountered my secret love.
The "Schwimwagen"❤ (4:51).
Wait a minute!
That animated King Tiger can travel trough time!!
Notice the flux capacitor at 4:58!! 😲
You're the first to notice the Flux capacitor 😂 😂 😂
Thank you again, panzer picture for your dedication and knowledge on your beautiful presentation of an incredible piece of designed equipment for it's time. Only wish I could see it up close and personal to get the real sense of what it would have been like to practically live in it under the conditions of the time?
Glad you enjoyed watching the video and I hope you will have the chance to see one in the future.
The Tiger II with the Porsche turret was great looking machine..
Yes of course ! i have it in 1:16 scale RC Modell in my Collection .A Beautyfull tank with the Krupp Turret ( called Porsche Turret ) with missing Tracks Skirts
@@daviddruxius6011 I have it also in that scale, the Trumpeter kit with clear shell to show interior detail.
@@rustykilt Wow !
@@daviddruxius6011 I have had it put away for some year in order to get up the will to build it..It’s bad enough I decided to tackle the Trumpeter 1/48 Type VIIC U BOAT....Half way through that...
She really is Pretty❤
With so many videos, like those from Bovington channel it's still astonishing that people don't know anything about the Krupp turrets.
Also a lot of people know about it but still call it the P and H turrets.
That was cool...
I think I latest saw it was on a loan to Sweden, "Arsenalen". Absurdly enough, I think Sweden got donated a Tiger II from, I think Switzerland (?) after the war, but it became mostly cut up and now only has a few parts left in the Museum!
German engineering stood out then and it still does today.
At least a Maus was saved, by the soviets. Love to have seen that running.
I think a small regional nuclear power station would just about get it moving😂
Even if restored, It'd run maybe once and likely throw its transmission. Despite German Engineering expertise they really struggled with making these things, mobile and reliable.
it was gonna be restored a few years ago but some scandal with the restoration crew made the russians reconsider and now it might not happen for years.
2 maus actually, the Hull is from a prototype maus, the turret is from a maus that has the real turret instead of the prototype turret
This VK 45.03? King tiger Porsche turett?
Very Educational, More Videos Like This Please!
You're welcome, these videos take a long time so they will be one a month of these kind of videos.
It's a shame what they did with the Tiger 2 P! Parts sold, interior is completely missing, commander's cupola, stern hatch, driver and radio hatch as well as the engine removed so that you could restore the Tiger 1 (131). This tiger, the only remaining Porsche tower. I can't understand something like that, restore it again !! in running condition, parts are everywhere.
The Tank Museum though long and hard before taking the engine from the Tiger II prototype. Their logic was that 131 was the first Tiger to be captured intact and recovered, formed the basis of the technical and tactical reports and was an actual fighting vehicle. In that respect, it was a more historically significant vehicle so had a better claim for restoration. There is also a running Tiger II at the French army tank museum Samur. Having seen the Tiger Collection, I agree with them.
3:36 So that's why the VK 45.03's armour is really weak in WoT Blitz, it was built with "Soft Steel." Now it makes a hell of a lot more sense (>.>).
Now its much better after update XD
If you look at the gun mantlet plate , I think it's on upside down.
I think you're right, maybe because it's a different gun and it doesn't fit?
Fantastic tank !
It was extremely unreliable, broke down frequently and guzzled gas like it was going out of style. That's fantastic?
is it being restored?
What a beast. Wish they saved more of Tigers.... 😡
Soft steel tiger? What does that mean? Armour plates not hardened?
You pretty much answered your own question. :)
A prototype, test piece. Used to demonstrate how it was going to be built I guess.
@@PanzerPicture The one with the squared frontal mudgards is a prototype probably made in soft steel but the other, the one with the broken main gun, is a production one with zimmerit all around and normal armor, not soft steel.
How did Bovington screw up Tiger 131's original engine?
Wouldn’t say they screwed up the engine. They did have to use a few engines in the original restoration, original one was used in one of the armies engineering schools and was missing parts, and one of the other ones they found the block had micro fractures caused by frost damage. It has had to have a engine rebuild which isn’t surprising seeing its a Maybach HL 210 in a tiger, a very old Maybach, a engine that didn’t have the best reputation for reliability when brand new so 80 years it might need a bit more looking after.
Hard to believe it is 75 years old!
I know a guy who pulled a spitfire engine out of a Italian junkyard. He says to start it up cost 300$ of gas...imagine what it cost to start a tiger up lol..shame all these scientific breakthroughs were tossed in the scrap heap!
what a beast
Beautiful German steel. 👊🇩🇪
Yes, German steel towards the end of WWII was very brittle and cracked easily due to a lack of nickel content. Not so, "beautiful".
@@HiTechOilCo Thanks for the lesson in metallurgy. I had absolutely no idea of Germanys situation towards the end of the war.
Not only was the steel bad quality, because of the bombings they didn't have time to get it hardened enough.
4:54 Do they really mean the *Tiger* II prototype? This looks more like a *Panther* II prototype really!
Get it running!.
It's an empty hull now, they used everything for the Tiger 131 restoration after they destroyed the original engine.
what happened to the E100? did they just scrap it for metal?
Yes they sold it to be scrapped.
Woww...
防御力は別としてデザイン的にはポルシェ型はカッコイイ‼
That is "Tiger II" with Porshe turret. That was not effectlve turret - in costruction of Porshe turret was mistakes. Good for the anti-tank guns. But it is unigue.
世界で１台のポルシェ型砲塔のキングタイガー動くようにしてもらいたいです(*´ω｀*)
Glad to see the Tiger II (P) not many are left around today shame though if they did more work on it could have seen combat if they fix the shot trap on the turret
it's like you have a problem with concentration.
Well they fixed the shot trap by changing the turret
They pretty much fixed the turret with their late Krupp turret.
According to information from the book by Walter J. Spielberger's Panzer VI Tiger (engine book publisher), companies attempted to somehow remove this gun trap on the tower front at the Krupp turret (Porsche turret ), just as the chin shield on the Panther G did nothing more from it.
Nice video thanks its proving that German army technology producing at that time were not stopping under allies bombing in days and nights
They were being ground down, although the industries had underground facilities(made with slave labour), making it difficult to strike them.
@@paulcourt6817 I know that but its not prevents us for noticing admitting they were producing best quality thanks in that time .. their defeat belonging to other resonant thanks
@@mohammadsaida4603 They were defeated because they were outnumbered and outflanked with limited resources.
@@mohammadsaida4603 - That is not so at all. The King Tiger was a massively overweight, fat pig that broke down frequently because the metallurgy of the time could not withstand the massive weight. Consequently, steering gear, suspension and driveline components frequently broke down. It also was an extreme gas hog at a time when Germany was virtually out of fuel. Not a good design or wise decision at all.
@@DevilDaRebel -Nazi Germany was defeated because they lacked the industrial capacity to even keep up with the United States. Then when we add in the industrial capacities of England, Canada, the Soviet Union, Australia, New Zealand, etc., they stood less than a zero chance of winning that stupid war. Add in that Nazi Germany was critically short of fuel for the entire war and it's just another nail in the coffin. They could not win that war in their wildest dreams.
Als je ooit een video wil maken over de WOII engels bsa m20 want wij hebben er twee
Klinkt interessant.
You could also follow me on insta and then you can app me my insta is jorixoletimmer you probely see a pic off a tent with sand bags than its me vriendelijke groeten joris
Can you imagine being in a Sherman and facing these monsters !!!!!!!
Good thing they produced a few of these mammoths otherwise British and American troops would have been slaughtered.
Its not prototype ,its legit model puted in use ,its just the turret which discontinued production!!! Prototype tanks never go into service ,but only serial ones!!
It's the original prototype of the project, so it's a legit prototype.
P is not porsche?
Porsche pretty much had nothing to do with this tank, the hull was made by Henschel and the turret by Krupp.
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Jammer van die aparte plaat achter op de koepel !?
Ja de luik daar is ooit verkocht voor oudijzer dus hebben ze nu maar een houtenplaat er tegen aan gemaakt.
Panzer Picture ik ga zaterdag is kijken . Had hem 2 jaar geleden in Bovington gezien in de tiger collectie
Panzer Picture ik heb er zaterdag is goed opgelet . Ziet er niet echt storend uit . De loop zit beetje scheef en past niet helemaal. Maar blijft vet gezicht zo de brede uitstekend rupsbanden 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Stuff like this shouldn’t be scrapped or left to decay tanks like that are history and Germany certainly evolved the way the tank design is today but I DO NOT agree with the nazi regimes cruel crimes and horrific things but Germany evolved the tank design
Back then nothing old was worth something, it's in the last 50 years that people see the worth in old stuff.
But the German tank design wasn't extremely innovating and almost nothing from there tanks is used in modern tanks, in actuality the American Christie suspension was more important for modern tank design then anything the German had.
@@PanzerPicture well that may be your opinion and that’s unique to you all I’m saying is the Germans had some great tanks some reliable some not so much
@@icantthinkofacreativename6621 nothing to do with opinion its fact. German tanks were basically obsolete after 1946 with more powerful anti tank weapons and guns. There heavy tanks were also mainly built out of peril of necessity and not because those tanks were the best they could do. They simply had no choice.
@@PanzerPicture I’m saying it’s my opinion to think they changed the way tanks where kind of made yes the tigers certainly had massive technical problems for being over engineered but if you think differently that’s fine
@@icantthinkofacreativename6621 Opinions isn't really a great basis against historical fact, and you can argue they were sometimes good during WW2 and had many problems and probably a product of "we only can make this and we have no choice" , but heavy tanks were obsolete after the war, only thing that was innovative was the guns which were pretty good, but even they weren't the best. But almost everything else was obsolete, the Panzer I and II were already obsolete before they were used in WW2, Panzer IV was obsolete in 1943 and the bigger tanks went nowhere, the only decent tank that wasn't obsolete was the Panzer III, but for the roll it was designed for, it was. And I think that it can be argued that the Panzer IV was the only tank that could be used in a modern army, because it was still used after the war.
what a history , to take these machines and scrape them for the price metal !?
This ain’t the last tiger P bovington tan museum has 2 king tigers one of them being a tiger P the P standing for the model of turret
This is the one from Bovington.
So much information in this is incorrect - the 1st "Prototype" Tiger II with zimmerit WASN'T a prototype - it's a standard early production vehicle used to test the single piece tracks. It's engine wasn't flooded in the test tank either - it went to Sweden for testing in 1947 where it was eventually scrapped - the Sweds still have its gun barrel and engine block.
Everything you say here is wrong, I have no idea were you got this from. The Swidish Tiger II is a totally different tank that came from the French. You can even see the different Zimmerit to the front and a typical German testing tactical number on the front, which the one at Haustenbeck doesn't have. I also never said it drowned, it looks like it did because they got it stuck and you literally see it sink, so it probably flooded.
Can't even spell Swedish correctly...kind of puts a doubt on everything else you say to be honest.
Classic, soest puts a big border around the tank so you can’t even get within 6 meters of the thing.
I have no idea why they set it up this way, it's also really ugly and not a nice set up at all.
Panzer Picture it’s a shame really. They have such awesome stuff just collecting cobwebs. Me and my granddad kinda broke into their storage when they had an event day. Trust me, what’s displayed in the museum is like 40% of what they have in storage. The Fokker replica’s, stuff like Italian ww2 tanks, leopards, Russian equipments. It’s all just laying there. We did almost get the cops called on us though. Not to mention the touching phobia of the museum. It’s an armoured vehicle for god sake. Honestly what could go wrong.
I know they have a extremely rare Japanese Tank, several German guns and vehicles and a lot of rare WW1 stuff.
That looks exactly like my VK 45.03 in wot blitz. Maybe it is •_•
勝者の論理。その当時は評価試験が終わってしまえば、ただの鉄屑。今なら国宝級のお宝。
Huh
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Kon je echt niemand vinden die mooier Engels spreekt? Ik waardeer al het werk wat jullie in deze filmpjes stoppen heus wel maar dit klinkt nergens naar. Mijn Engelse accent is vrijwel compleet neutraal, mochten jullie iemand zoeken om je filmpjes in te spreken, laat het me weten.
Wat een geweldige sollicitatie is dit dan lol
@@PanzerPicture haha niet echt he? Stel je voor je komt bij een bedrijf voor een sollicitatie en begint meteen te roepen "ja uuuh, dit lijkt dus nergens naar he laat mij maar".
Als ik geld had voor een profi microfoon zou ik het oprecht aanbieden, voor nop natuurlijk.
Neem mijn mierenneukerij niet al te serieus, deze filmpjes zijn echt wel van klasse.
VK 45.03 IS REAL!!!
Sennelager Haustenbeck
Je moet een keer een filmpje maken over Arnhems oorlogsmuseum 40-45 in Schaarsbergen. Daar staan een t-34-85 overgenomen door de Duitsers. Misschien ook interessant.
Ik ken dat museum, heb er ook een filmpje van. Zonde dat het niet meer zo goed als vroeger, nu heb je vreemde smerige grond vondsten op display en die T-34 is gewoon een na oorlogs tank en heeft niks met de tweede wereld oorlog te maken.
Dat is dan jammer. Vond het eerst ook vreemd dat er een Duitse T-34 in Arnhem stond bij een iets wat kleine museum. Maar thanks voor de informatie, nu weet ik ook dat die niets met de oorlog te maken heeft.
Ik heb denk ik nog wel wat foto's van vroeger op Facebook staan, heel interessant om te zien wat ze allemaal hadden. De zolder had een grote diorama in 1/35 schaal en 1/1 schaal van de slag om Arnhem en ze hadden een Sherman tank buiten en een Staghound die gebruikt was als bunker, nu geruilt voor dat vliegtuig wat ook eigenlijk helemaal niks te maken heeft met de slag om Arnhem.
@@PanzerPicture Ik ga zeker een keertje grondig kijken op je facebook. Zag net al een paar interessante foto's staan.
What about the pictures you have used showing the Tiger II that was donated to Sweden in 1947?ua-cam.com/video/pPxI-5GmlZM/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/pPxI-5GmlZM/v-deo.html?
That's to show what the exhaust would have looked like and the rest is just filler, it's not like the Drone Footage is actually footage of the German British military area.
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Hallo panzer picture ik heb je een bericht gestuurd op insta onder de naam jorixoletimmer
Ik ga even kijken bedankt for the heads!
Kan niks vinden op Instagram?
Typical of Bovington museum has some of the rarest vehicles they either steal bits to sell and just leave the tanks in disrepair or leave them out of view in a tin shed collecting dust which actually should be in the museum while they spend all the money maintaining crap British stuff that breaks down during the biggest live display weekend 🤦♂️
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Panzer Picture toch blijft dit wel weer een heel zielig verhaal