Very well produced documentary and tells the story very well . Definitely characters and situations I have not heard covered by the numerous other shows about Krays
This documentary is an amazing survivor, an even more amazing that it was made for TV in 1969 (in colour). It's filled with interviews and footage of the area that likely only exist in this one recording. The Kray's retained a fierce outside persuasive power after they were locked-up, about who & how they were portrayed on paper, or film.
Having written books about Jack the Ripper, Dr Stephen Ward, and the Essex Boys, ive always thought that there was no point writing about the krays. But this video was very interesting, and I might write about people from that era. The big irony is that I think society was better in those days.
That 'slum' clearance housing is worth a fortune today in the few boroughs that weren't taking back handers to demolish, Victorian/Edwardian/ houses for brand new council estates and high raises - and community would have survived
My late mum worked at the staff canteen at now gone Longrove Hospital. She used to serve tea and biscuits to visitors and families of patients in grand recreation hall there. She told me she served Charlie Kray the day Ronnie and Reg switched clothes so Ronnie could absconde. She said the Hospital Authorities did not realise they had switched till 3 to 4hrs later after all the families had gone. Ronnie was caught a few months later
Then Reg called and said I had to meet Ronnie and Spiney Norman.Norman by this time was 20 feet long from snout to tail and Ron ordered him to nail my head to the floor.But despite this Ron was a real gentleman,there was nothing he wouldn’t do for you.A real DIAMOND.
The houses were demolished to make way for 'slum clearance' in 1969 however the houses in their place obviously weren't built until at least the 1980s! So the land was just waste land for over a decade in the 70s?
It might have been. I was on Vallance Road circa 1990 and my recollection is that the site was vacant. Not 100% sure, but I do know that some of these east end slums were not demolished for 10 years or so after occupation ended. And some sites have still not been properly redeveloped - instead being used for ‘temporary’ commercial purposes.
Was this the one that was found in a skip in the 90s and rescued?? I was going to spend £15 on it some time ago but always knew it would pop up for free at some point 😂. After seeing all the other documentaries so many times this was a very good watch. Thank you
There will never be another . If they had not existed , somebody would have written a fictional account about similar characters , but nothing to match the reality .
On viewing this documentary in addition to many I've seen in the past, as an aside observation just noticed a picture of a 'Spanish dancer' hanging on the wall above the Kray twin in 'Vallance Road'. Curiously I have in past tried to find out who the artist was who painted it so I might obtain a print in some form? Reason is that my parent's in 60's had this picture hanging in our living room.........
@@johngilmore697 Are you implying that these brothers should be admired? I had the misfortune to be on c block in HMP Wayland in 1999, along with Reg Kray. I'd never bought in to the gangster "glamour" but I did converse with a sad, unwell man. I worked in the kitchen and prepared his special fruit meals. I have no interest in bullies of the 50's or 60's but I can tell you that it doesn't take Mr Science to know that his was a waste of not only his life, but also others'.
Well I'll say it was definitely poor after war. And they did what they did to have a good life. And they lived it for 20 odd years then came rest of there life in jail. But fact that you're all watching this and probably read there books and seem all other documentaries about them and seen films. I'd say you are fascinated with them. As are most people they'll still be remembered in 100 years can't say that about any of us so you've got to admire that
@@Lou-m1g5c Hitler and Mussolini are remembered as is Franco and there's been films made about them but it doesn't mean it's something to be admired and I certainly don't admire the Krays.They were viscous criminals simple as that. Nothing to admire about murderous scum like them who spent almost half their lives in jail.
That woman on her knees scrubbing the step, the newcomers don't even clean their houses, gardens etc. just drive down a street full of terraces these days and its an absolute shit hole.
Some people claim the Krays were wannabe gangsters but yet they had many people on their payroll and also had big time connections. Anytime you can get Freddie Foreman to get rid of bodies for you free of charge you're a gangster.
My Father in law and his family grew up with the Krays..Told us many tales..One ,Ron was thrown out of the Saturday Matinee, he came back and beat the Manager with a bike chain..Reg fancied my father in laws sister Margaret, he sang "Maggie" under her bedroom window..My husband was a twin his sister died at birth.. Mrs Kray had given the krays twin pram to my mother in law ..Shame the pram was later sold ..and we never knew what happened to it
The Krays r very respectable loving blokes that stand up for themselves and their loved ones..much better than the evil people that shid look after oer rights..
You can almost feel Nipper tense up when the interviewer asks him about agents they might have had. Cooper was an agent but Nipper didn't find out til afterwards and he was furious with duRose for keeping it from him. This was Nipper biting his lip and being diplomatic but still fuming lol
Yeah but none of it happened especially Newcastle actually learn history they visited Newcastle lots of times and they were never told to f. Off. , It's easy to make up lies when they were locked away or dead ,
I don’t think I’ve a documentary of the time rather than history ty My mum used to walk home passed the one that isn’t or wasn’t gay he would be in his car and asking my mum out thankfully she didn’t but sadly I mum has a type
no please enlighten me im uneducated and thick with no vast knowledge of anything from the streets a bum i believe in your proffesional aproach and scrutiny of my comment you can excel yourself and teach me something
Just couldn't work out the woman at the 30minute mark. Couldn't tell if she was showing a front or how legit what it was she was saying. She sounded like she comes from a privileged background whilst at the same time had mannerisms of a junkie. The line where she said about the glass in the face was so difficult to work out if that was a front pretending she belongs in that environment or if it was a genuine way she would react
They can't speak English let alone pronounce Kray. Someone came up to me and asked can you speak English? I thought what on earth and it dawned on me that I was the only person in the area not shouting in a foreign language. There's no English people left in London apart from the elite and most who aren't are either from the outskirts of London or are of generations of Irish and Jewish decent which have built up their lovely communities but some areas of London are no go zone's like Bethnal green where this docu is based, it's all south Asians now and they can be intimidating
Trye really gangster who didnt give a flying fuck theyvwas war baby used to violence experts at boxing more so reggie bless could of made it pro if it wasnt for his brother in his ear n waning all for his selk :( ❤ xx
The krays are legendary and they ran the EastEnd and just like most firm's bk in them days had to use violent's . R.I.P REG AND RON KRAY 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
They may of not been the biggest men. 5. 11 in their prime reggie bout 12 stonne. Ronnie 15 ish. Both x proffesional boxers,. Who knew the precise use of their fists. They ruled london . Long live the krays. Woman and kids. The ordinary working man. Untouchable . Protection money from pubs and shop keepers,. Also night clubs 😅
I thought I'd seen every documentary on the twins, Never seen this until now, looks very interesting,
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there is another good old school documentary on the mafia called making of the mob 4 part series theses documentarys was made in 1984
Wow this is rare! Please never delete this
Excellent, really enjoyed this, thanks, great to watch a documentary made so soon after the events.
Totally agree......one of the best I've seen.
Very well produced documentary and tells the story very well . Definitely characters and situations I have not heard covered by the numerous other shows about Krays
Angelo Bruno who met the Krays was the head of the Philadelphia Mob until his murder in 1980. He was not in the New York mobs.
Tom Hardy as Ronnie and Reggie Kray absolutley bang on
Looking forward to this one thanks for upload salutes
This documentary is an amazing survivor, an even more amazing that it was made for TV in 1969 (in colour). It's filled with interviews and footage of the area that likely only exist in this one recording. The Kray's retained a fierce outside persuasive power after they were locked-up, about who & how they were portrayed on paper, or film.
Having written books about Jack the Ripper, Dr Stephen Ward, and the Essex Boys, ive always thought that there was no point writing about the krays. But this video was very interesting, and I might write about people from that era. The big irony is that I think society was better in those days.
Hi, do you have any links
to the things you've written?
@@alstrips9573 Just a simple Google gives you them.....
It does all look so glamorous but the level of violence is staggering
Ya cos society is full of poop
Proper reporting
One sentence: had a comfortable upbringing. Next sentence: home being demolished for slum clearance.
That 'slum' clearance housing is worth a fortune today in the few boroughs that weren't taking back handers to demolish, Victorian/Edwardian/ houses for brand new council estates and high raises - and community would have survived
Well, I wasn’t going to watch that, but glad I did thoroughly enjoyed it. Who is that? Well spoken bird that kept popping up.
Nemone Lethbridge a barrister. She's still alive and 92 years old.
My late mum worked at the staff canteen at now gone Longrove Hospital.
She used to serve tea and biscuits to visitors and families of patients in grand recreation hall there.
She told me she served Charlie Kray the day Ronnie and Reg switched clothes so Ronnie could absconde.
She said the Hospital Authorities did not realise they had switched till 3 to 4hrs later after all the families had gone.
Ronnie was caught a few months later
This is the best of the lot, thanks for sharing.
Reggie punched a horse. What a lovely guy.
Gotta take my hat off here, some find this whoever you are. Some rare interviews
Not seen this doc on the twins before 👍
This is really interesting.
29:10 - woosh the lady's drunk 😂
She well pissed
Drugged up to the eyeballs. I bet she used to get on Ronnies nerves. Shes getting on mine?
@@CARLIN4737 Bang on! Heroin or any "downers" have been a thing for centuries.
Comparing gangsters now to back then. They seem to have had a wider vocabulary mmmm .😅
That is very true.😁
Did they understand how to use apostrophes and full stops?
😅 yes I stand corrected. Goodbye cruel world. Mitchell and Web grammar Nazis. 👍
@@oliverflanagan7623Didn't you start by taking aim at a supposed deterioration in spoken English between the '60s and today?
@@turnitback standard english, and non standard english have been in usage since the language began!
Then Reg called and said I had to meet Ronnie and Spiney Norman.Norman by this time was 20 feet long from snout to tail and Ron ordered him to nail my head to the floor.But despite this Ron was a real gentleman,there was nothing he wouldn’t do for you.A real DIAMOND.
The houses were demolished to make way for 'slum clearance' in 1969 however the houses in their place obviously weren't built until at least the 1980s! So the land was just waste land for over a decade in the 70s?
I think so, yes. There is an interesting documentary with Bob Hoskins, about the 'old' East End Docklands. It is worth a watch.
It might have been. I was on Vallance Road circa 1990 and my recollection is that the site was vacant. Not 100% sure, but I do know that some of these east end slums were not demolished for 10 years or so after occupation ended. And some sites have still not been properly redeveloped - instead being used for ‘temporary’ commercial purposes.
Was this the one that was found in a skip in the 90s and rescued?? I was going to spend £15 on it some time ago but always knew it would pop up for free at some point 😂. After seeing all the other documentaries so many times this was a very good watch. Thank you
very authentic
I've seen grown men pull their own 'eads off rather than see Doug. Understandable,really....his skill in using sarcasm was unmatched.
There will never be another . If they had not existed , somebody would have written a fictional account about similar characters , but nothing to match the reality .
Yeah very good 👍
On viewing this documentary in addition to many I've seen in the past, as an aside observation just noticed a picture of a 'Spanish dancer' hanging on the wall above the Kray twin in 'Vallance Road'. Curiously I have in past tried to find out who the artist was who painted it so I might obtain a print in some form? Reason is that my parent's in 60's had this picture hanging in our living room.........
Really not important, but the, Duckworths in 80s Coronation street, had the same picture hanging up in their, kitchen diner.
Somebody said that London was much safer on the streets in those days…than it is today..
@@joegreen2750 i thought he was uni cultural ?
That "somebody" was correct!!
this one 1⃣ Trevdec singer songwriter XOXO declan XOXO respect rip Ronnie kray and reggie kray XOXO declan ❤
So the Krays invented
‘photo bombing’!? 😂
Ronnie 3yrs then 27yrs and Reggie 32yrs behind bars and some folk admire them.
Wasn’t Amy Winehouse an alcoholic and a drug addict..? And some people admire her 😂..So funny
@@johngilmore697
Are you implying that these brothers should be admired? I had the misfortune to be on c block in HMP Wayland in 1999, along with Reg Kray. I'd never bought in to the gangster "glamour" but I did converse with a sad, unwell man. I worked in the kitchen and prepared his special fruit meals. I have no interest in bullies of the 50's or 60's but I can tell you that it doesn't take Mr Science to know that his was a waste of not only his life, but also others'.
@@johngilmore697 And now for something completely different!
Well I'll say it was definitely poor after war. And they did what they did to have a good life. And they lived it for 20 odd years then came rest of there life in jail. But fact that you're all watching this and probably read there books and seem all other documentaries about them and seen films. I'd say you are fascinated with them. As are most people they'll still be remembered in 100 years can't say that about any of us so you've got to admire that
@@Lou-m1g5c Hitler and Mussolini are remembered as is Franco and there's been films made about them but it doesn't mean it's something to be admired and I certainly don't admire the Krays.They were viscous criminals simple as that. Nothing to admire about murderous scum like them who spent almost half their lives in jail.
That woman on her knees scrubbing the step, the newcomers don't even clean their houses, gardens etc. just drive down a street full of terraces these days and its an absolute shit hole.
Newcomers are from slums, so they just bring that mentality with them.
The poor horse , completely breaks my heart those murderous thugs hurting and laming a beautiful defenseless beautiful horse. 😔🥺😡😡
Apparently the tied car battery acid to a young Guys ears which burnt them to peanut size....story I've heard from guys in the era
This is without any doubt the original on which Monty Python based their "Piranha Brothers" sketch.
Very good video very interesting
Some people claim the Krays were wannabe gangsters but yet they had many people on their payroll and also had big time connections. Anytime you can get Freddie Foreman to get rid of bodies for you free of charge you're a gangster.
So they were the first photo bombers
The current extremism would not have been permitted to take hold under the Krays rule.
My Father in law and his family grew up with the Krays..Told us many tales..One ,Ron was thrown out of the Saturday Matinee, he came back and beat the Manager with a bike chain..Reg fancied my father in laws sister Margaret, he sang "Maggie" under her bedroom window..My husband was a twin his sister died at birth.. Mrs Kray had given the krays twin pram to my mother in law
..Shame the pram was later sold ..and we never knew what happened to it
Crickey , that “ killing case “ was astonishing and I am wondering if it was ever used to kill someone ?
Anyway know ?
The Krays r very respectable loving blokes that stand up for themselves and their loved ones..much better than the evil people that shid look after oer rights..
Reggie and Ronnie flogged the coppers and the screw warders in the prison and run the show.
The state r far more evil than the krays
You can almost feel Nipper tense up when the interviewer asks him about agents they might have had. Cooper was an agent but Nipper didn't find out til afterwards and he was furious with duRose for keeping it from him. This was Nipper biting his lip and being diplomatic but still fuming lol
A bygone age where even hoodlums spoke excellent English .
@@michaelharrison3602 Correct
You get me, Blud 😉
Mitzi Walsh was supposed to have told the the Krays that they weren't welcome in Blackpool and put them back on the train to London.
Apparently the same in newcastle
Jimmy the weed did in Manchester it's on a documentary
Same in Liverpool.
Yeah but none of it happened especially Newcastle actually learn history they visited Newcastle lots of times and they were never told to f. Off. ,
It's easy to make up lies when they were locked away or dead ,
Did I hear that Charlie and Vi had a daughter??
Hi, yes but she died in infancy
@@emmajanewatts4388 True. Unfortunately a high infant mortality rate in 1929 compared to today.
Who's the girl in it
I don’t think I’ve a documentary of the time rather than history ty
My mum used to walk home passed the one that isn’t or wasn’t gay he would be in his car and asking my mum out thankfully she didn’t but sadly I mum has a type
firms still exist the met decides whats what good or bad politics long live the days of ordinary decent criminals who kept law and order
Do you realize the contradiction in what you've just said
no please enlighten me im uneducated and thick with no vast knowledge of anything from the streets a bum i believe in your proffesional aproach and scrutiny of my comment you can excel yourself and teach me something
Just couldn't work out the woman at the 30minute mark. Couldn't tell if she was showing a front or how legit what it was she was saying. She sounded like she comes from a privileged background whilst at the same time had mannerisms of a junkie. The line where she said about the glass in the face was so difficult to work out if that was a front pretending she belongs in that environment or if it was a genuine way she would react
You described the same vibe I got from her perfectly.
She's off the head 31:28
i wish birds would still talk like that.
I've seen Barrister Nemone Lethbridge at 13:00 interviewed in a later Kray documentary. On Wikipedia, what a fascinating life shes had.
On their own private manor?
32:00. Nice lady!
Charles Charlie Charles…
This whole doc seems made from those that aint got no respect for them
Small change compared to the Americans
American are corny
Yep Americans are better at everything than anyone else besides it’s not much to front about!
A daughter called Violet?
22:28 - I can't understand a word this guy says.
Really??
You need to go to Ear Savers😂😂😂
Im pretty sure the Kray brothers never had a sister, like he said here.
Sadly died while the Mum was pregnant 😢
Dinsdale!
I remember that giant hedgehog.
A film needs to be made about Charlie Kray
ChRlie kray had ties in middlesbrough
Jack the hat was the best character in the 80s film 😂
Such nice boys
😂😂😂😂😂
Hmmm I'm not sure about that 😅..but they definitely liked nice boys🤪
Ronnie and Reggie Kray true Legends
Ronnie and Reggie Kray legends
And now look at London... far worse!
Shame it was so out of sync.
The woman with the short dark hair is frightening...cold and weird...
A perfect moll for those two...
Wouldn't be a moll because they were both homosexual,but I'll tell you what, if she says it's Monday...it's Monday.
@KLM669 Her name is Ann Kerrin (?)
@@andreroswell1561 you are correct; the piranha brothers were homosexual rapists.
@@andreroswell1561
Both bisexual I believe.
Really interesting not seen it b4 London must b full of folk boring the ears off every1 about 'how they knew the krays" 😂
They can't speak English let alone pronounce Kray. Someone came up to me and asked can you speak English? I thought what on earth and it dawned on me that I was the only person in the area not shouting in a foreign language. There's no English people left in London apart from the elite and most who aren't are either from the outskirts of London or are of generations of Irish and Jewish decent which have built up their lovely communities but some areas of London are no go zone's like Bethnal green where this docu is based, it's all south Asians now and they can be intimidating
Trye really gangster who didnt give a flying fuck theyvwas war baby used to violence experts at boxing more so reggie bless could of made it pro if it wasnt for his brother in his ear n waning all for his selk :( ❤ xx
Promo>SM 😔
The krays are legendary and they ran the EastEnd and just like most firm's bk in them days had to use violent's . R.I.P REG AND RON KRAY 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Man wot is Ur problem with Ron n reg kray . 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
The piranha brothers 🤪.
What happened to the Mills brothers?
@pattate95 what happened to Ronald?
They may of not been the biggest men. 5. 11 in their prime reggie bout 12 stonne. Ronnie 15 ish. Both x proffesional boxers,. Who knew the precise use of their fists. They ruled london . Long live the krays. Woman and kids. The ordinary working man. Untouchable . Protection money from pubs and shop keepers,. Also night clubs 😅
Did they kill any innocent people?