A great American who wasn't beaten down by the contemporary educational system. We Americans do amazing things when we're not told we can't from the cradle.
I saw a sound guard John Deere 4 wheel drive with a Kinze repower kit it had a massive KTA Cummins with a large turbo out the side if the hood, that has to be one of the coolest tractors I've ever seen
@@nellsonstout7001 i have never heard of detroit 2 strokes being labeled by the horsepower maybe that is how it is in ag but in truck engines there known by the engine name itself i.e. 8v92,12v71,6v92 ect
Just one of the many places to find a Detroit. Inexpensive, simple, adaptable and reliable....everyone has their own opinions on green power but the damn things showed up everywhere for a reason!
Matt Berg I completely agree tho I can’t help but scratch my head n think 🤔 “ if these Detroit’s put mr kinze on the map , imagine if he’d put twin Cummins motors or cat motor. But a screaming 2 stroke ? “
lots of electronic ford diesels are getting replaced with mechanical cummins in pickup trucks so you can bet there are a few conversions done in tractors or soon will be
i saw the V in the thumbnail and thought "i wonder if thats a detroit"... the first few seconds of *BWAAAAAAAAA* and i knew it was lmao detroit diesel 2 strokes - the go-to if you want raw power
Just watched this video today 2/21/23. I'm a city boy, and over the last few months I've become enamoured of tractors and farming. I've watched a lot of vids on tractors and equipment. What can pull a 12 bottom plow? Is this common , or just a vid teaser? Lemmee know. Thanks
Having had a 4620 with the injector pump cranked all the way up (stock 150hp, cranked over 175hp) I would like to know how he go the power to the ground. We had the max wheel weights and the max nose weights on ours(dualed) and we wound up turning down the pump because we just could not get the traction. We were pulling a JD 28ft disk and a 5(?, a couple feet wider than the duals on each side) shank Brillion subsoiler(ripper). The Brillion we had to steer with the brakes because you could free spin the front wheels going down the field.
Worked on a 6030 once with 20.8s on all 4 rears, heavy cast centers. Used the 515lb weights on the inside and outside of the inners and 2 each on the outside wheels. It spun pulling a huge field cultivator with harrow. We put fluid in all 4. Owner called back upset that his new tractor had calcium chloride all over it and 3 flat tires on the rear. Tires spun on the wheels and sheared the valve stems off. We drilled then screwed the beads to the wheels after replacing the tubes and fluid. Problem solved. You can get them glued down with enough weight. I also had a 4620 turning 172. No issues pulling a 8 yard self loading Hancock scraper weighing 20k lbs plus loaded. No fluid but lots of cast iron and heavy cast duals. Firestone 23s.
I think it comes down to what you're trying to pull it through... And as he said, it would pull it in 3rd gear with the factory motor, but to get more speed out of it, the bigger motor made the torque in the higher gear.
I can’t imagine that the stock 4520 rad will cool that Detroit for much more than an idle. Speaks quite a bit for the rear end and transmission if it can take that much hp.
Great video, really cool stuff. But I couldn't help but notice that "30ft disc" looks a whole lot like my 25. I'm not saying that tractor won't pull a 30, that's just not a 30 in the video.
@@benduffin5727 then you never drove an Allis Chalmers of the same size if you think that engine was great. I owned one and for it's size was a huge disappointment, and it dynoed 145 hp
The 903 Cummins was not a particularly reliable in a truck , but like it's other V-8 brothers did much better in stationary and semi-stationary applications.
Hmm. I wonder how hard it is to get a Kinze repower, ya know, buying... Let's say a 6030, bringing it to them, finding an engine, and see if they will do it.
@@deerepower337 1. power 2. sound 3. the tractor in question has been sitting for a long time and most likely won't run. 4. number of engines produced.
Some Allis fan tried to tell me that Deere drive trains were weak and Detroits had no torque. Sure, right. Show me an Allis that can do that. They had a torque limiter in the drive line. For what I am unsure.
@@bradhaenitsch1145 Better double check the horsepower, torque, and weight of that Detroit. You will need more than just turning the pump up and adding a couple of weights to that D21 to do what you're saying. WHY did Allis put a torque limiter in their 7000 series driveline if it was so much better and the engine could develop so much more power? Answer: gimmick
Nothing like extra power. Seriously though the Australian CSIRO RESEARCH in Agriculture proved beyond doubt in the 70sand 80s there is a maximum speed allowed for ground engaged equipment meaning more speed means more wear and tear on scarification tips and ploughing discs . They worked out something like4mph was ok but 6mph and faster only burnt the wear edges away quick and produced too much heat. Optimum speed was and is a Science not a Guess
The 640 tractor he built, wonder why he chose 5020 rear ends???? In 1974, he could have chose other so called muscle tractors to use for the final drives. John knows quality and strength. Enough said.
Dad says their was a case dealer in around bratlevboro vt i think who was torbo charging and supercharging band new case tractors in 60s he sead he bought a brand new case 930 comfort king torbo it recked the warenty case came in and didnot like that but he cept doing it and farmers cept wanting more power the famly bougt a few souped up from that dealer we were big case farmers tell they went red
@@Budd56 No opinion,even back in the day,GM was on the low end of the power stick,the only reason why other companies used their junk,louder-then-hell engines is because these were the cheapest bang-for-the-buck you could get. You have to wind them up really tight to get any real power out of them.
@UCEzUMM7-esRMHmENy61DBRA Let's see...the 4520 started out from John Deere with a LONG 6-cylinder inline engine in it,then it was shortened for the gutless junk 2-cycle V-8 it has now. I recommended putting a engine that's very much like the original one it had in it before.(4-cycle,inline 6-cylinder) So it took more work to put this junk V-8 in it then just putting in another inline 6-cylinder and beefing it up a bit. (So much for the Einstein crack)
??????? You took a proven bulletproof John Deere Diesel engine out and replaced it with one of the worst brand of Diesel engines ever build and hacked it into a perfect tractor and the funny part is your proud of it
The engine in the 4520 was far from proven and bullet proof!! Iii remember we had one and it went projectile 2 times !! We went to. Get rid of it was going to trade it for a 4630 and the deere dealer showed us. A memo telling them to stay clear of those tractors when trading so we traded with my uncle on a white
@@RJ1999x You yourself said the other day that an XT weighted down and loaded for bear wouldn't be kind to the planetaries or axles at 140 or 150. Remember, a 4620 bare is where you would about leave off on an XT weight wise. 46s could weigh near 18k fully weighted by Deere's standard. More was no problem, plenty of room left without fluid. I would have to look up what 20.8-38s weigh at 5lb per gallon calcium chloride. Just how much can an XT pack on? Mine had updated planetaries, turned 172 and whistled right along on the hottest of days without a whimper. I could Power Shift across headlands whilst you grind gears or stop and shift. Wish I still had it, I would bring it for a visit......maybe even figure out why your 720D starts so hard too!
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A great American who wasn't beaten down by the contemporary educational system. We Americans do amazing things when we're not told we can't from the cradle.
Couldn’t agree more - it’s this attitude that has made America the greatest powerhouse on earth.
The Carroll Shelby of the ag business.
Well said.
Great analogy!!
Yeah ! Never though of it like that before
There is a man who gets things done right.
This man is a mechanical genius. Blessed.
May he continue to rest in peace 😔
Y'all probably won't see this comment but love the videos been watching for a long time
Jon took us to a new level real fast, wasn’t perfect but it was FUN! Greatest respect goes to you. Thank you
Would just love to shake his hand, true American know-how and muscle
I saw a sound guard John Deere 4 wheel drive with a Kinze repower kit it had a massive KTA Cummins with a large turbo out the side if the hood, that has to be one of the coolest tractors I've ever seen
Cummins Power!! nothing sweeter than the KT/KTA'S and I believe their nick name was the Cat Killer. not sure on that one though?
So cool I had 3 Detroit diesels in trucks awesome in tractors
Love the sound of those screaming Jimmy's!
Been around the Kinze products growing up, Awesome Equipment
Nothing sounds better than a Detroit
What? Say that again?
Sounds awesome. I'd certainly wear something over my ears.
Definitely has a sound all its own. I live close to interstate 80 in Iowa, and in the summer with the windows open you can hear this exact sound.
Very impressive, nice tractor...
Thats amazing. Yhank you
Super cool👍🏼
Love the sound of the 2-stroke Detroit
Man I gotta find the one thats here in Texas!!!...My grandpa would looove this thing down on the farm
I could tell from the first 3 seconds that that engine is a Screaming Jimmy, likely an 8v-71.
N&W 2156 Y6a it is. Most of them were known by their power rating
@@nellsonstout7001 ah. I guess trucks were different
@@nellsonstout7001 i have never heard of detroit 2 strokes being labeled by the horsepower maybe that is how it is in ag but in truck engines there known by the engine name itself i.e. 8v92,12v71,6v92 ect
@@timmensch3601 Even in the over the road trucks , The Detroits were known by the Horse power rating.238, 250, (6-71T) 318 350(8V-71T).etc,etc,
@@nellsonstout7001 Most of them were erroneously known by their power rating.
Just one of the many places to find a Detroit. Inexpensive, simple, adaptable and reliable....everyone has their own opinions on green power but the damn things showed up everywhere for a reason!
Matt Berg I completely agree tho I can’t help but scratch my head n think 🤔 “ if these Detroit’s put mr kinze on the map , imagine if he’d put twin Cummins motors or cat motor. But a screaming 2 stroke ? “
@@Gixzer04 he did do 903 Cummins and 3208 cats and altot of 318 8V71 Detroits
@@jessicakroeschel4555 Detroit’s did make serious power especially back then before turbos n diesels were a staple. Damn those motors were loud tho.
Detroit's were cheap and on their way out at the time. Once the 855 and 3406 came on the scene, there wasn't really a point in a Detroit anymore.
Great build, conversion, wouldn't be able to do that on modern tractors i don't think with all the electronics they have 🙂👍
lots of electronic ford diesels are getting replaced with mechanical cummins in pickup trucks so you can bet there are a few conversions done in tractors or soon will be
CC CLC until the EPA makes it impossible to buy older style non electronic engines
great tractor build. I drove lots of semis back in my day with 318 Detroits and v12's too bad no one put a v12 in a farm tractor!!!
Wayne Rogers The Challenger 900 series have agco v12s in them
Even better. Big Bud 747 has a Detroit Diesel 16V92T: 16-cylinder in it. : )
Wayne Rogers Rite 707s and 750s had V12s. One Big Bud has a V12 Deutz
Yes some did but it was repowered I believe an JD 8020 I've seen one in a 5020
Darin Kurtz no shit?!
I love that Detroit sound
i saw the V in the thumbnail and thought "i wonder if thats a detroit"... the first few seconds of *BWAAAAAAAAA* and i knew it was lmao
detroit diesel 2 strokes - the go-to if you want raw power
chasebh89 and to be hard of hearing
I drove 318 Detroit in dump trucks love the motor.
It's amazing that rear-end will handle that
Detroit diesel is my favorite engine
I am a Diesel Mechanic I’ve also welded on your equipment Kenzie
"The deaf-inition of more power."
What'd you say? Huh?
😁😁
what?
Just watched this video today 2/21/23. I'm a city boy, and over the last few months I've become enamoured of tractors and farming. I've watched a lot of vids on tractors and equipment. What can pull a 12 bottom plow? Is this common , or just a vid teaser? Lemmee know. Thanks
I like the twice pipes and Detroit engine.
Kinze is going to be appearing in farming simulator 2022 can't wait
Having had a 4620 with the injector pump cranked all the way up (stock 150hp, cranked over 175hp) I would like to know how he go the power to the ground. We had the max wheel weights and the max nose weights on ours(dualed) and we wound up turning down the pump because we just could not get the traction. We were pulling a JD 28ft disk and a 5(?, a couple feet wider than the duals on each side) shank Brillion subsoiler(ripper). The Brillion we had to steer with the brakes because you could free spin the front wheels going down the field.
Worked on a 6030 once with 20.8s on all 4 rears, heavy cast centers. Used the 515lb weights on the inside and outside of the inners and 2 each on the outside wheels. It spun pulling a huge field cultivator with harrow. We put fluid in all 4. Owner called back upset that his new tractor had calcium chloride all over it and 3 flat tires on the rear. Tires spun on the wheels and sheared the valve stems off. We drilled then screwed the beads to the wheels after replacing the tubes and fluid. Problem solved. You can get them glued down with enough weight. I also had a 4620 turning 172. No issues pulling a 8 yard self loading Hancock scraper weighing 20k lbs plus loaded. No fluid but lots of cast iron and heavy cast duals. Firestone 23s.
I think it comes down to what you're trying to pull it through... And as he said, it would pull it in 3rd gear with the factory motor, but to get more speed out of it, the bigger motor made the torque in the higher gear.
BADASS
I came for the dual stacks
I can’t imagine that the stock 4520 rad will cool that Detroit for much more than an idle. Speaks quite a bit for the rear end and transmission if it can take that much hp.
If yer going across I80 in Iowa you'll see em on the north side of the interstate.
Great video, really cool stuff. But I couldn't help but notice that "30ft disc" looks a whole lot like my 25. I'm not saying that tractor won't pull a 30, that's just not a 30 in the video.
Can this or similar retrofit be done to a 72 4320? I don't necessarily need 300 np though lol. If so , please point me in the right direction.
Bes get a 466 jd engine , from a combine , should be almost a bolt in , likely good for 200 horse
Does the engine not overheat under a load with the stock radiator?
Wow!
Why didn't you guys show the articulated running?
Woah!
If it's not leaking oil
You better put some in it!
Yea the leaker that's why you have the allis
He also taught John Deere how to build a planter!
What? I can't hear you.....
It’s amazing how dusty you would get on open station tractors. Thank god for cabs
I prefer the original factory engine but the screaming jimmy is always nice
The original engine was a huge turd
RJ 1999 that’s your opinion, ya can’t change mine
@@benduffin5727 then you never drove an Allis Chalmers of the same size if you think that engine was great.
I owned one and for it's size was a huge disappointment, and it dynoed 145 hp
RJ 1999 whatever
@@benduffin5727 don't let the truth interfere with your reality
Did John Kinze ever do a 5010/20 with a V903?
Kyle H people have made them
The 903 Cummins was not a particularly reliable in a truck , but like it's other V-8 brothers did much better in stationary and semi-stationary applications.
Yes
There is a reason tractor manufacturers stick with big 6s
Hmm. I wonder how hard it is to get a Kinze repower, ya know, buying... Let's say a 6030, bringing it to them, finding an engine, and see if they will do it.
N&W 2156 Y6a just why would you want a crappie Detroit over the original ????
@@deerepower337 1. power
2. sound
3. the tractor in question has been sitting for a long time and most likely won't run.
4. number of engines produced.
I have been told that a 619 from a 8650 would bolt in , that would give all the power you need , likely cost half as much
I would like to ask if john deere made a hat production in the 70s?as sold in the market now
Thats gotta be the loudest thing ever. 2 detroits lol
King. ...
Mo powa baby
Id throw a Greenstar in that and pull a small no till air drill
Woooooow
Some Allis fan tried to tell me that Deere drive trains were weak and Detroits had no torque. Sure, right. Show me an Allis that can do that. They had a torque limiter in the drive line. For what I am unsure.
190 XT made with a factory hand grenade in the rear end.
@@ramshackleshack751 complete bullshit
The d21 would pull that JD and disc backwards all day long better just park the pretty JD.its for lookin at
@@bradhaenitsch1145 you're a good man👍👍
@@bradhaenitsch1145 Better double check the horsepower, torque, and weight of that Detroit. You will need more than just turning the pump up and adding a couple of weights to that D21 to do what you're saying. WHY did Allis put a torque limiter in their 7000 series driveline if it was so much better and the engine could develop so much more power? Answer: gimmick
He’s the Gale Banks of tractors
Before i ran Detroits i could hear
Nothing like extra power. Seriously though the Australian CSIRO RESEARCH in Agriculture proved beyond doubt in the 70sand 80s there is a maximum speed allowed for ground engaged equipment meaning more speed means more wear and tear on scarification tips and ploughing discs . They worked out something like4mph was ok but 6mph and faster only burnt the wear edges away quick and produced too much heat. Optimum speed was and is a Science not a Guess
It also pulverizes the soil , sets it up for erosion
Awesum-OHHH BUT turbo charged would make it unstoppable.
The 640 tractor he built, wonder why he chose 5020 rear ends???? In 1974, he could have chose other so called muscle tractors to use for the final drives. John knows quality and strength. Enough said.
Yea that's cool but allis had her dialed in back then.a 5010 Deere was a beast just hard starting and the brakes sucked
Dang
Dad says their was a case dealer in around bratlevboro vt i think who was torbo charging and supercharging band new case tractors in 60s he sead he bought a brand new case 930 comfort king torbo it recked the warenty case came in and didnot like that but he cept doing it and farmers cept wanting more power the famly bougt a few souped up from that dealer we were big case farmers tell they went red
Thats a 318 detriot and naturally aspirated
all 318s are supercharged thats a big roots blower you hear screaming
@@noti51 Not supercharged. The blower only provides air for the cylinders, it doesn't boost the pressure any. Detroit considered them NA.
man no offence, but not as much commentary....i wanna hear the tractor talking
If ya want power get big muscle allis to show them
Sorry but no tractor with a Detroit will ever enter my toolshed. Screaming 2 cycle freeks!
He put the wrong engine in it though,a Catapillar 6 cylinder FOUR-CYCLE engine puts out alot more power with less then HALF the noise.
In today your right, but back then not so much. Just my opinion 👍👍
@@Budd56 No opinion,even back in the day,GM was on the low end of the power stick,the only reason why other companies used their junk,louder-then-hell engines is because these were the cheapest bang-for-the-buck you could get.
You have to wind them up really tight to get any real power out of them.
detroit v8 is 4 cylinders long ,cat is 6 cylinders long. youd have to totally reconfigure the frame all the steering and fab a longer hood.. Einstein.
Ive done enough engine swaps to know why he chose a v8.
@UCEzUMM7-esRMHmENy61DBRA Let's see...the 4520 started out from John Deere with a LONG 6-cylinder inline engine in it,then it was shortened for the gutless junk 2-cycle V-8 it has now.
I recommended putting a engine that's very much like the original one it had in it before.(4-cycle,inline 6-cylinder)
So it took more work to put this junk V-8 in it then just putting in another inline 6-cylinder and beefing it up a bit.
(So much for the Einstein crack)
Jo
Good old 2 stroke Detroit Diesels are very proficient at turning fuel into noise and heat and not much more.
Facts
This dude must be deaf by now lol
With a Turbo on it it will be unstable, wheelies is the last thing that you need in a tractor
??????? You took a proven bulletproof John Deere Diesel engine out and replaced it with one of the worst brand of Diesel engines ever build and hacked it into a perfect tractor and the funny part is your proud of it
The engine in the 4520 was far from proven and bullet proof!! Iii remember we had one and it went projectile 2 times !! We went to. Get rid of it was going to trade it for a 4630 and the deere dealer showed us. A memo telling them to stay clear of those tractors when trading so we traded with my uncle on a white
The 4520 engine was a torque less turd if a motor, and far far from bullet proof
Like I said better park Sally or you'll be pulling it out with an allis ya know the landhandler
@@bradhaenitsch1145 I know for a fact an Allis Chalmers 190xt will eat a 4520/4620 for lunch
@@RJ1999x You yourself said the other day that an XT weighted down and loaded for bear wouldn't be kind to the planetaries or axles at 140 or 150. Remember, a 4620 bare is where you would about leave off on an XT weight wise. 46s could weigh near 18k fully weighted by Deere's standard. More was no problem, plenty of room left without fluid. I would have to look up what 20.8-38s weigh at 5lb per gallon calcium chloride. Just how much can an XT pack on? Mine had updated planetaries, turned 172 and whistled right along on the hottest of days without a whimper. I could Power Shift across headlands whilst you grind gears or stop and shift. Wish I still had it, I would bring it for a visit......maybe even figure out why your 720D starts so hard too!
I wouldn't want that "screaming jimmy" for anything. Listening to that ear splitting droning all day long isn't my cup of tea.
are ya friggin farming or tractor pullin??? I aint impressed
❤️🤩❤️ Wow!!