TBH after thinking about it, I've come to the belief that a lot of the fans that side with him aren't fans of the games - not saying they never played the games, just that for them they always took a backseat. They were fans of the books. That's why so many of them will die on the hill of 343 writing and defend explaining critical plot details in external media.
@@averymicrowave1713 TBH, his eras additions weren't even all that great in terms of the extended lore either. Bad Blood fucks over the likeable character's of Bungie's only real character driven game, ODST. Greg Bear's forerunner saga ruins alot of the interesting elements that Bungie's forerunners had and introduces new factions that don't really do anything but confuse previous halo fans. Grasslands was an alright book but to be quite honest, its story should have happened as a game and not before whatever the fuck halo 5 was. It will always sadden me that 343 failed to bring the external lore (that was written under bungie's reign) into the games while also respecting what bungie had established previously, both narratively and characterization wise. Maybe Frankie and Microsoft shouldn't have hired people who hated the series, oh well.
@@averymicrowave1713More like fans of Greg Bear. Anyone who is a fan of the Bungie era books is probably even more irritated with 343's retcons than game fans. For example, the complete rewrite of shield worlds, the purpose of them, and why they failed is just painful to witness for anyone who liked Ghosts of Onyx. Now, a "shield world" is not a giant slipspace dyson sphere bomb shelter inside a metal planet. Instead, it is a name for the Didact's flying ball fortresses.
The fact Frank O’Connor retconned the entire bungie lord because he wanted to tell his story rather than what bungie had going. Nobody talks enough about this.
That's because most people that still care about the story, are rabid 343 stans. I know I'm promoting 'Us vs Them' shit here, but the population of Halo fans has shrunken to such a state I feel it's justified
@@jeff3221the 343 consoomers already made it us vs them. They incessantly attaq us as "toxic fanboys" and try to degrade the original games to make their trash look better. They outright lie to protect 343. They are as much responsible as 343 for the state of Halo. Then they have the nerve to blame us because their darling 343 failed yet again to deliver a viable product, let alone a a real Halo game.
insert halo youtuber saying "halo is both alive and dead" every time they put the menu screen in a box and theres a 50/50 chance they either added or removed a pixel from it
Yes, one pixel AKA 20 Dev Maps, the best map Creator known to mankind, an average amount of modes with rotating modes, free event battle passes, ect...
@@peanutgallery4 I would accept that when it objectively breaks it's own rules. According to the the librarian the genesong guarunteee our success following the ideals of destiny. Then our genesong that specifically made cortana made an evil a.i. that destroyed human civilization and then caused the downfall of humanity. Then our genesong decided to force us against the banished to reawaken the endless. A force quoted as more dangerous than the flood. They literally went chosen one to somehow have a set of mysterious coincidences cause our downfall. The literal opposite of the stated lore as far as our genesong and destiny is concerned. That is one of many issues with 343 lore because they abandon most of a previous games story because people had issues with the gameplay.
@@xenosayain1506 I've talked to 343 lore nerds about this before, asking them if the Librarian actually had the power of predestination, and if Forerunners were that powerful how could they ever be defeated? Best faith reading is that it was still very very lucky that Chief did show up and while they predicted alot of things that thankfully happened eventually, it was never down to specifics, as in she didn't mean that Chief himself was predestined nor Cortana, but that enhanced Spartan-like supersuited humans would eventually come about and smart AIs would eventually be created. but she could never have predicted that humanity would be lucky enough to survive the Covenant, and that John would be lucky enough to not have died on a thousand different occasions before arriving on Requiem.
Frank "Dipshit" O'Connor is out after a decade of singlehandedly ruining Halo's canon. Here's hoping for a hard retcon of all the 343 bullshit in the coming years, Microsoft has not been pulling any punches with 343 recently.
@@peanutgallery4 I know 343 lore way too well, and I can tell you that good faith reading is bs. Genesongs aren’t predictions, they’re Forerunner imprints, Chief’s ancestors were specifically imprinted with the Iso Didact’s genesong, hence why Guilty Spark makes the confusion, “why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?” and all that, at least going by 343’s lore. Who’s genesong did Halsey get to make her Uber smart? I actually have no clue. In 343’s lore only *some* humans are Reclaimers, these are the same ones that can activate Forerunner shit and have genesongs. Don’t ask me how that works with every human on Harvest being a reclaimer, 343 lore is dumb and literally didn’t account for that. In Bungie lore, there was this thing called the Data Vault, in the original Halo 2 ending it was supposed to be under the Ark (which was on earth where the portal to the Ark would be in Halo 3), but in Halo 3 ODST’s legendary ending we see a structure that’s likely the final version. This Data Vault is how Forerunner history and knowledge got transferred to humanity, the humans ended up unknowingly worshipping the Forerunners as the Abrahamic god, and even Latin was learned from the Forerunner. No, really, in Ghost of Onyx it’s revealed that the Sentinels speak it, and in Contact Harvest it’s revealed that the Covenant learned Latin too, likely through their access to the Key ship and the fragment of Mendicant Bias on board.
To me, the canonical ending of the Halo timeline is Halo 3. Everything 343 has done is fully some separate Alternate Universe. Master Chief is still resting on the dawn.
I almost skipped the sponsored segment, but then I stopped myself and thought, “Wait, maybe it’s actually fake.” And I was so happy that it was; thank you for doing that.
1h vid for an April fools vid is insane! Edit: Was a fun watch, it was a nice opportunity to see a halo fan that stopped following halo once Bungie left react to 343 shenanigans.
when you start listing all the 343i lore contributions like that one after another it really sounds like they had no idea what they were doing with the IP from the beginning the pre-343i lore was amazing too, one of the best sci-fi universes ever. What a total waste
Indeed, even if they did not hire people who hated halo they were still too stupid make something out the game that was Infront of them. I don't know if you remember, but 343 did a lot of stupid shit with halo reach like completely making the infection maps and game modes unplayable. That right there is enough evidence to show that they had no idea what they were doing.
There is no 343 canon, just like that Halo TV show is no real timeline. Just a nightmare Chief was having in stasis. Also thank you for including the Sega Dreamcast to the table.
@@OmegaF77Well, to be fair, the Marathon android is actually jumping between timelines while dreaming. Chief could definitely be jumping into horrid timelines where shit dont make sense, but his original timeline is nice and happy and free of flood sentient-life.
The first 60 seconds summarizes every 343 shill better than I ever could. "woah guys they added 3 maps, a gun, and some cosmetics. THE GAME IS SAVED!!!!!" Though I'll stand by the only good thing 343 ever doing is doubling back to actually (mostly) fix MCC, add some stuff, and release mod tools and Steam workshop support for all the games. Shouldn't have been as broken as it was on launch, but at least it made a turnaround since that's the only way to play the old games on PC and newer consoles. All the Halo mods in the works are much more fun and interesting than Infinite will ever be, in terms of new content. I would have been more outraged if they just abandoned it forever.
Eh, about MCC, that was actually Certain Affinity, not 343, 343 employees like Dersky literally *laughed* at the issues as if they weren’t even a problem.
I recently played through Halo with a friend who never played before. By the end of CE he had deduced that humans were forerunners. He thought it was a neat dramatic irony that the covenant are trying to kill their gods without knowing it. When we got to Reach he asked me "are we gonna play 4 next?" and I told him "well... it's not very good. it was 343's first game and they changed a lot of stuff like the backstory." He asked me "like what?" and I told him "well one of the big ones is they made forerunners aliens." and he made a disgusted face. We still haven't played Halo 4.
@@mrnobodytheuser2950 Ehh, if I wanted to play Metroid Prime, I’d play Metroid Prime. Not Halo. I love both series to death, but I don’t think they mix particularly well.
Should have told Burke about the Endless and how much they are "sO MuCh wOrSe tHaN tHe FlOoD bRo I SwEaR!!", lol. 343 is obsessed with powercreeping their OC villains like it's a new episode of Dragon Ball Z, I swear
They really did that shit and I was baffled trying to figure out how the “we will consume everything in existence until everything is one within us” species can be beat out by ANYTHING in terms of what is the worst threat to existence
@@atomicspartan131 Apparently they MIGHT have some time distortion powers? But yeah literally the only reason they were imprisoned was by NOT dying to the rings and for some reason that makes the Forerunner AI deathly afraid of them. Some BS reason about them being a threat to Humanity taking the Mantle or something, IDK. God I fucking hate how the industry today CANNOT tell a good, consistent story no matter the medium
You absolute MONSTER. This man could've lived the rest of his life in peace, not knowing the horrific insanity of 343 lore. Genesong: There is absolutely nothing special about human ingenuity. It's all programmed. It's actually kinda priceless to get the reaction of a classic fan being exposed to 343's decade long comedy of errors all in one conversation.
Its especially hilarious cause afaik the spartan armor is fucking worthless to what the forerunners had whilst getting beaten by an advanced form of the flood. Think theres a line somewhere about mjolnir armor being comparable to a forerunner hazmat suit
@@atomicspartan131Nah, he says something like his Combat Skin was a tier 1 when the Flood Infestation Protocol called for tier 11. It was basically a fucking jumpsuit to them
@@andrewmeyer3599 point being, the librarians plans are laughably shit. If you do this genesong stuff you may aswell go all out and make yourself god-empress.
When it come to the Flood origin, he left 1 major part of 343 lore out When humanity first discovered the corrupted precursor dust, they used it as, and I shit you not, *FUCKING DOG FOOD!*
@@benbennington8859 the difference is that that was done out of desperation and necessity following events like the Bronze Age Collapse, not sheer stupidity.
I'm honestly so happy you keep talking about Frank O'Connor. Obviously it runs deeper than just him now but my god his input into the series has been such a detriment to it... Good to see someone with a voice in the community (that I've seen anyway) who speaks up about him, a ton of others seem to just cope or flat out not talk about it.
@@zackwerth77 Sure, but a net negative impact on Halo's consistency in plot and themes cannot be overlooked. Frankie was not qualified for his job and so he should be replaced. Edit: He was replaced. Please hit yourself with the door on the way out Frankie.
@@zackwerth77 he really hasn’t, even when he worked for Bungie he contradicted the timeline of events regarding the firing of the rings and reseeding of life in the galaxy twice, first in Cradle of Life and then again in the terminals, and it was those same terminals were the precursors and “mantle of responsibility” were introduced.
They attempted to REVIVE Guilty Spark??? Yeah, they clearly wanted to make their own shitty story, but had to slap the Halo brand on it, because no one would have wanted to see it otherwise.
@@Prehistoeif Are you talking about THE seargent forge? the man that was spartan in all but name only? The fucking MVP of humanity that inspired Spartan 3's to fight on his behalf?
@@limonbattery and hes commanding a fleet 8 times the size if the original covenant (manned by all the different species of course). All of those ships are rigged to explode if he dies though, but hes super duper god strong boi that can lift massive battleships before getting beaten by chief in 2 minutes
I feel like you’re too soft on Frank O’Conner. Frankie tried changing the lore all the way back in Halo 3. If you read the Halo 3 terminals, some follow the established lore, while others fuck everything by making the Forerunners a different species, or the Didactic and Librarians individuals instead of roles in Forerunner society. Frank O’Conner is the reason why Halo’s story is so fucked.
You mean...just like the same Tolkien quotes people copy and pasted all over the internet when that shitty lotr amazon show came out? Cuz that's totally new and original and not just using a wise gentleman's words to express your own displeasure towards a shitty corporate product that doesn't actually matter at all. Get a better copypasta, or at least a more original one
I know right? The poor guy looked like he was on suicide watch last we saw him. Between this and what happened with Destiny I legitimately feel bad for him, he can never seem to catch a break with these mediocre hacks and corporate douchebags.
Staten was actually brought into 343 in early 2020, far before the reveal trailer. He was setup as a starting date at the beginning of July, and a primary reason to why he was simply was to onboard the marketing team and push the game into help market the game to it's appropriate audience. He then took over about 3 different leadership roles post the middle to end of 2020. A large part of criticism internal developers have and had with leadership was Staten and his insistent and continuous attempt to make the "community" the most primary function of Halo Infinite. In this case, a lot of the things you see "wrong with Halo Infinite" are actually either a community forerunner effort, or a community involvement effort post launch. The problematic side is that almost every aspect of "Real Halo" was entirely not being worked on because the community believed that a robust complicated Forge mode and a robust complicated method of a custom games browser would "bring people to use Halo as grounds to build new games". The best part was waiting for Forge and Custom Games Browser to drop weeks apart and absolutely no one care that it existed, and 343 to say "See ya Joe" as they knew he was going to get fired. The turn around was many of the battle pass and character model design/animation team was let go, along with numerous pve design teams, and Staten was let go by being demoted back to his old position. Joseph Staten, Creative Director of Publishing -- Aka Creative Director of Words & Marketing. Focused primarily on Recore on the Xbox One. Although he did create and embody a large quantity of the story of Halo, the problem is that he never touched the story of Halo Infinite, nor was he wanting to, or even wanting to work on the narrative side of Halo. He existed in the "Creative Director of Halo Infinite" spot solely due to the fame he was put on, and the pedestal he stood on provided him grounds to attempt to please people that arbitrarily would never be happy, since most of them never liked the multiplayer of halo, and legitimately didn't even want Halo to be successful so they can keep it a "niche fps". A fun criticism of 343 was that Bonnie actually accepted him as taking over 3 leadership roles, all of which he had zero experience in. This is the equivalent of hiring a marketing firm to develop and design the product you're creating, and then warp the product to fit the marketing, rather than warp the marketing to fit the product. We have to realize: Staten was the embodiment of everything "wrong" with 343, not the savior. That's like hiring Jason Jones to be "HCS" lead whilst disregarding that Jason Jones hated that Halo's multiplayer was more successful than the campaign he designed. But no one will admit that, and Bonnie Ross will go down as the "Martyr that had to be removed to save Halo" despite the actual issue all along was the lack of appropriate leadership or leadership that actually knew what they were doing. The funny part is when people think Bonnie Ross, Kiki Wolfkill or Frank O'Connor had any say over anything of the game. That's as stupid as blaming Bill Gates for the Xbox 360 red ring of death lol. And people listen to 'content creators' who actually think that, which is even more scary.
@Lee Kellymore Simple, THEY DON'T, 343 fans are shills, BUNGIE era fans are the real fans cuz I could nerd emoji all about how 343 is NOT CANON to the halo timeline and NEVER WAS but I'll keep it short so GG, you prob ain't reading all that. 😕😕
@Lee Kellymore Well thanks to continuity in 343 making no sense and also incorporating BUNGIE's events, it practically makes me, as rude as I am, very "write" in the arguement, ALSO SPELL, NERD EMOJI.🤓
There’s a Grunt as tall as an Elite that bodies all the Elites he spars with, is besties with R’tas (Shipmaster), and apparently nearly killed a SPARTAN. The canon really is shit nowadays.
Meanwhile, Bungie created a 12ft tall Chad imperial admiral elite who gained so much personal popularity that the Prophets were legitimately scared he could overthrow them, they basically had to banish him to guard the outer edges of the empire away from the main action of the war.
@@Slender_Man_186Tbf, 12 feet is close to a standard elite’s height. A grunt is 5 feet. HALF the size of an elite, and he’s the ONLY one to become a giant twice the size of his entire race at that point
@@AVerySexuallyDeviantOrange elites aren’t 10ft tall, they average at 7-8ft, slightly taller than Chief when they aren’t hunched over, Rippa (Halo Wars 1’s Arbiter) might be pushing 9ft, 12ft is a huge jump up from that.
The Lore behind the Precursors becoming sentient dust that then became corrupted and turned into the Flood has always been the most shitty and disappointingly written piece of lore made by 343. There are close seconds and thirds, such as the Forerunners no longer being humanity but I dunno, this takes the cake for me. 343 has ruined Halo's lore and it's no longer interesting to follow or learn about. One of the best pieces of military science fiction has been destroyed from the inside out, ironically by a company named 343
Good way to ruin all the mystery and eldritch horror-ness to an enemy THEY’VE LITERALLY NEVER INCLUDED IN THEIR GAMES. Ruining shit just for the sake of it lmfao.
@@necro4258 exactly!!! Some mysteries are better to leave unsolved in fiction story writing. It keeps an air of mystery that adds to a stories quality. 343 is clearly incapable of writing a good story
@@aringinspace They’re good and capable at ruining Halo. That’s something they’re good at. I’m convinced that the scumbags at 343 are doing it on purpose
@@aringinspaceThey also brought 343 Guilty Spark back from the dead in put him in a Terminators body and they had him tag along a Rougue One lookalike female character.
As someone who's only now played the original trilogy thanks to the MCC and realising that all the lore I had heard about Halo was retconned since Halo 4, I truly feel like the Arbiter after being shown that his whole religion and beliefs are just a mere ruse to manipulate him. Thanks for legitimately opening my eyes.
Oh god the Halo 3 Terminal entries. In those entries the Didact and Librarian are not characters they are Forunners Job Titles even in one of the Terminal entries they refer to there being Librarians meaning more then 1 C3 Sabertooth has a video that explains the Terminals Entries in Halo 3. Which thanks to the Greg Bear Forerunner trilogy books the Halo 3 Terminal Entries are no longer cannon thanks to Frank O'Connor retconing them out of the lore!
@@samiamtheman7379 yeah because 343i had to for no good reason make Halo Wars 2 apart of the Mainline Cannon of Halo even though Halo Wars 1 during Bungie wasn't apart of the Mainline Cannon it was just it's own Game with that had it's own Cannon, Characters, and Story that didn't conflict or Contradict the Mainline Halo Games from Bungie, all because Bonnie Ross wanted her own Disney Star Wars and MCU!
Don’t forget IRIS and Cradle of Life, first in Cradle of Life he wrote that the portal to the ark was built *after* the galaxy was reseeded, then in the L&D terminals he wrote that the portal was *built and buried before* the rings were even fired, the Librarian also saying that she remotely destroyed all of the key ships needed to activate the portal, and then in the Halo Legends episode Origins Part 1 multiple key ships are shown reseeding life, and then in the last Forerunner book he goes out of his way to explain that the Librarian actually programmed sentinels to build the portal at Voi and that it wouldn’t be complete until well after the rings had fired. How the hell does one person fuck up the lore this much?
@@Slender_Man_186 Frank O'Connor that's who someone who fucked up all the time at Bungie and if Bonnie Ross had done even the basic research on Frank O'Connor she would have known that he was a fuck up but she was so desperate to find anyone that knew the "lore" of Halo that she picked a known lier, an open Sexual Deviant who loves talking about fattening up women and Scat Porn, and has been know by some ex 343 developers to being a known Racist and saying Anti-Muslim and Anti-Semetic comments both in the workplace and on public form sites like Forbs and other from sites that he has been permanently ban from for said comments but never got in trouble thanks to him and Kiki Wolfkill being heavily protected by Bonnie Ross who only ran the Business part of the company while Kiki and Franky ran the development part of 343i. Apparently they would lie to her and tell her what a good boss she was and Bonnie Ross would lie to Phil Spencer and tell him that things where going great when they weren't. That was a statement from a ex 343i developer who had been with 343i even before Frank O'Connor join. This shows just how bad things really where their!
@@Slender_Man_186 lol Why the fuck would the Librarian even be on Earth if she wasn't overseeing the construction of the portal? Frank and 343 really need to grasp the concept of Occam's Razor, holy shit
28:22 And people say that Matt Forbeck is a ""fan"" of ODST. Yeah I'm sure he's a fan when he's killing off the Rookie (literally the guy you play as throughout the entire Mombasa Streets section of the game, whom has been through hell and back, and morons say he has No ChArAcTeR) and literally making it so he's shot in the back of the head and dumped out at sea (at least Noble Six went out fighting) and making the comedic relief of the squad a TRAITOR all because he's the explosives expert of the team??? Oh yeah, and they broke up Alpha-Nine entirely. Yeah, you know, that team that was desperately trying to reconnect with each other back in ODST? They no longer exist at the end of New Blood. All because they had to make Buck a Spartan, which defeats the entire purpose of his character (that he ISN'T a Spartan and doesn't need to be), which, mind you, Buck was already a last minute change because Thorne was originally part of Fireteam Osiris, and his voice actor wasn't available, but Fillion was. New Blood was so bad they had to retcon Mickey being a traitor in Bad Blood, and now suddenly all is forgiven with Mickey and Alpha-Nine is back to normal but now they're all Spartan-IVs because god forbid an ODST exists in 343's universe. Don't you just love that? And people claim New Blood is "good."
1:19 you have all my respect for this raid, shadow legends advertisement. I know contact creators need to do these commercials to make money and survive, but I always think a little bit less of the ones that do raid shadow legend.
funny thing is, you could probably get away with doing that as a legit sponsored ad for that game. They really don't care about how you do these, just as long as you mention a legit promo code and tell people what they get from claiming it and where to find the game. The payout you get is completely based on how many people register with those codes anyway. It's almost respectable how much freedom they give people to do these ad reads. Shame the game still is just a shallow, if kinda pretty looking, typical mobile game.
What really ticks me off about 343 bungling the Halo lore is that I think the concept of the lovecraftian entities that are the Precursors is awesome. An ancient cabal of gods that can control reality, and are all but wiped out by the Forerunners through means unknown? Forcing them to hide in a desperate shape-shift that backfires horribly and turns them into an all-consuming entity that is both mindless and frighteningly intelligent? Sign me the hell up, that sounds perfect! But, unfortunately the introduction of that concept is surrounded by a bunch of nonsense that either contradicts, retcons, or outright invalidates the original games. Leave it to 343 to have one awesome idea and still fuck it up.
There is no doubt in my mind that the composer was invented specifically to tease a John/Cortana romantic relationship. John becomes digital so now they can 'be together'. Then Halo 5 comes along and it allows Cortana to become physical so now they can 'be together' in a different fashion. But how will it happen? Stayed tuned for more stupid fan-fiction writing and an absolutely purposeful destruction of the story to demoralize us. Because good writing uplifts the human spirit. Can't have that anymore. Wonder why?
@@Slender_Man_186 lots of media is made to demoralise white guys. Yeah i know that sounds crazy but writers are actually open about it. *Star wars isn't for you anymore, your time is over. *Replace with any modern adaption of an older franchise or hobby that appealed mostly to guys
Thank you for the validation, I thought I was tripping all these years thinking it was such a great reveal in Halo 3 when what's his name used Sarge's hand to activate the forerunner thingy and said "only one of them could activate it". I thought it was so cool that the forerunners turned out to be humans all along and when that wound up not being the case later on I was like, what did I miss? I didn't miss anything. 343 missed it.
343 writers: "Oh we dont know this certain thing about this certain part of the lore? Let's cram as much Information into it as possible with no regard for if it actually adds to the themes of the story." "Mystery? Who needs Mystery! lets over explain everything and turn the Franchise into Warhammer or Star Trek"
Remember, the Librarian gave humanity the blueprint for MJOLNIR armor and smart AI, but couldn't help humanity move beyond 7.62mm NATO, .50BMG, and 14.5x114mm. Apparently power armor for a few dozen super soldiers was more important than better weapons for a military of like a billion. Did she like handicap our brains so we never move beyond 20th century bullets? I'm a fan of the M2 never retiring meme, but 600 years of service is a bit much...
Why didnt she just drop forerunner tech and the steps to build them onto hummanity? This already takes away self determination so why notmake sure the future "rulers" of this galaxy dont get exterminated
@@Riorozen Yeah I know and I'm mocking it for being one of the dumbest ideas in space fantasy (343 Halo isn't sci-fi as evidence by that whole plot point). I'm making fun of the fact that even if it made sense as a concept and was compatible with prior lore, it would make zero sense in the context of what we see.
That first section with how Infinite was fixed was hilarious, and exactly what literally every 343 shill has been saying about how there’s ‘so much more’ when it’s just a few maps, 1 gun, and 1 borderline useless equipment.
I tried playing it yesterday. I installed it while I was at work so I could play when I got home. I started it up and the main menu never loaded. I had it running for an hour as I made dinner and it just never allowed me to do anything. It is not fixed.
Meanwhile I remember Bungie dropping Cold Storage, totally unprompted, totally out of nowhere, and totally free for Bungie Day. Now *that* was exciting, because the game was actually worth a crap.
@@qrowing 343 pretends that making a map is a herculean task that requires millions of hours of playtesting and a year of development and their stupid clueless 5000 player fanbase just believes it
This put halo's last decade into perspective for me. I haven't launch halo infinite since just after season 2 launched; but I never uninstalled it, because I thought... it could maybe be good eventually? I now realize how foolish that hope is, and will be uninstalling the game posthaste. Thanks for this video.
The funny thing about the "Didact in two different places" conundrum is that it seems even those who follow 343i's lore don't even know it: there ARE two Didacts running around who are the same person: the Forerunners apparently have this custom of creating "backups" of themselves in Geas implanted on other beings in order to continue their lives. The Didact that we see in Halo 4 is the Ur-Didact (the original) while the one mentioned in the Halo 3 terminals is the Iso-Didact (the backup). Ur here went mad insane because of the Flood, namely Gravemind roasting him in public, while Iso came to be due to some weird shenanigans triggering the backup earlier than intended. Its still stupid space magic tho but basically the Librarian cucked her husband with her husband and that's important to the lore because it was Iso who ultimately helped with the Halos firing. It is incredibly stupid and convoluted, and just wanted to mention that. You're welcome :>
Bro wtf! I had to pause the video and spend the rest of my day procesing the fact that Guilty Spark is now ripped af and has a hot girlfriend and has adventures through the galaxy with her like how the hell did that came to be!
Andy: “They have retconned forerunners not being humans but completely different species” Burke: *cries in frustration* 1000% relatable to me!!! Nice video, guys :)
>some people called me a halo 2 fanboy As if that's a bad thing lol, lmao even Also, appreciate the use of the FEAR soundtrack at 1:37. Always nice to see that game get some love.
*me waking up after a years slumber*.... "Huh?! Halo Infinite is still a thing??!" I refuse to reinstall the game until a progression system, firefight, and campaign dlc/extension is added. I havent played since the 1st week Season 2 released. I miss when Halo used to give me goosebumps.
This makes me realise how far Halo has fallen. I wish I was your friend still living in 2010 ending with Halo Reach 😭. I’m done with Halo. This was the final thing that made me realise no matter what you say or do to Microsoft/343 it will never be like the glory days of 2000’s Halo. Plus holding on with Halo is an unhealthy Hopium addiction. Anyway great video. I’m going to pretend Halo’s story started with Reach and ended with Halo 3. Everything else that is 343 is just a fanfic and the Paramount TV show was never made. The end 🤣
The librarion is not the worst halo CE level. It's a classic brainlet take for people who can't appreciate oppressive game design to complement an oppressive foe.
@@Filip1613 even the devs have talked about how poor the library is as a level. how about instead of insulting people for having a different opinion, you actually try having a genuine conversation.
@Cynical Gold Library isn't very good, but having played all of them multiple times, I would say Library's overall design is better than almost all of 4's.
@@Filip1613 Bruh, i play Pathologic 1 for fun. Dont @ me about oppressive game design, the level is just ass. You wanna talk oppressive game design? Lets talk about the mission Cortana from Halo 3. You're at least working towards a tangible goal in that level, so whatever the devs throw at you dont really get to you that much because it makes sense narratively. You're plunging into the belly of the beast and you're meant to barely get out of there alive with your reward (that being reunited with Cortana). Its very satisfying narratively. You're also not stuck in an auto-scroller in Cortana, so if you're good enough at the game, you can get through it faster. But its going to be pretty hard. Cortana is the second to last level in 3, you're meant to be challenged heavily that late in the game. As much as speedrunners give the level shit (given its a run killer, especially with skulls on), its an excellently designed experience for a level near the tail end of the game. The Library is midway through CE, is horribly paced, prohibits you from completing the level faster (which its fine if you like that, but i wouldnt even really consider that "oppressive" design more than it is just having to wait), and the challenges the level throw at you arent even necessarily that engaging. You just spray with the shotgun the entire time and thats it. Its a slog and you just have to not be stupid and not needlessly waste your shells. Its a very important mission in the story of CE, but the same is true for many of the levels in CE. And you cant even argue that its a good wave defense level or some shit. The very second level of CE does a much better job at wave defense and there's a lot more room for skill expression and using game knowledge as well. It rewards repeat playthroughs.
That halo 2 mcc pc floor bug is one of the most insane things I’ve ever personally witnessed in a game release. The fact it was a nearly 20 year old game being rereleased for the third time (vista, mcc, then mcc pc) made it even nuttier. So many players that day were excited to enjoy halo 2 again and watching that feeling die as players fled over the course of one day will never leave me. There’s no way they tested that pc release version even once. I think you should consider making a full mcc video. There are a handful out there but you clearly have a full grasp of the mountain of errors.
A large part of that was due to Unreal Engine being the outward engine utilized for the interface/ui. The funny part is still that people think that it's a "good idea" to go to Unreal Engine, as if Hogwarts Legacy wasn't a prime example to why you don't use that engine as a AAA developer.
@@anonymous7564 Unreal engine is like the industry standard my dude. It's used for Fortnite, Bioshock, Splinter Cell, Borderlands, Deus Ex, Chivalry, Assetto Corsa Competizione, Alice: Madness Returns, Abyss Odyssey, and more. 343i is so incompetent that they don't even know how to use a robust, industrial-grade game engine properly where I have seen it crash multiple times trying to load MCC.
Master Chief's Mjolnir armor was shined with Jiralanae hide at the Dr Catherine Halsey Surgical Modification Center (DocCatHalSuModi) "How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?" "It feels great."
The fact you had hope for this game made me want to spit in your next meal and point at you in disgust and then bust a move and throw a dog treat at you
343 lore is honestly why I fully believe Halo can NEVER be saved. Too many garbage books about space bullshit and retcons EDIT, Battle Royal (The film) was great, good Japanese slasher flic. Better than the cheap American rip off, The Hunger Games
Man, I knew 343 had ruined Halo but I don't think I realized the lore was this fucked (because 4, 5, and Infinite do such a bad job of conveying the info I guess).
Thats the worst part. They butchered the lore in favor of their new thing, but they cant even manage to adequately explain their new thing without forcing you to read a bunch of reddit tier dollar store novels.
@@Sebomai-b8iThe novels are legitimately awful, and people unironically soyfaced over the Arbiter and Vale book, I hate using that word but good lord it was just so embarrassing. Who the hell even cares about Vale nowadays? Or anything from Halo 5? I saw these same people say that Vale "saved" Halo 5. Worthless character with embarrassing dialogue (thanks Brian Reed!) like using the actual terminology for Elites and Brutes instead of just calling them that like literally everyone else does in the series. Imagine the Arbiter calling humans "Homosapiens" constantly instead of just saying humans. It would sound cringeworthy as hell. That's what Vale feels like. Then these same people lose their minds over this one detail because she literally doesn't have any other personality than "She speaks Elite and likes them a bit too much, haha!" Honestly she should have been Dare instead, even if I hate the whole Buck becoming a Spartan thing, at least she's a much more likeable character that we know already like Buck, actually does have personality, has a pre-established relationship with Buck that we saw in ODST that could still be expanded upon, could even lead to more interesting conflict in Osiris (both her and Locke are ONI agents) instead of... whatever Vale is. It would have been vastly better, and honestly no one talks about Dare in any rewrites for Halo 5 for some reason when really she singlehandedly would have improved Osiris by her mere presence alone due to Buck being hesitant about having to work with ONI agents again, about the mission yet again compromising the relationship between him and Dare just like we saw in ODST, Buck trying to convince Dare that Chief isn't the threat but Locke and ONI say otherwise... this sounds so much more interesting to me than what we got. But no, ODST is apparently written by a "12 year old", or at least it feels that way to people like Ascend Hyperion! And that's JUST Vale, don't even get me started on the Didact they STILL refuse to kill off even after Frank has left 343 because otherwise he would have had a baby meltdown since it's his epic Star Wars OC and sent death threats to 343 over it. He defended the Halo TV show and if it were up to him, he would have made that canon too instead of the "silver timeline" crap
Nobody: 343i: *The Bonobo Incident* (In case people "forgot" or just don't know what the bonobo incident is well, on juneteenth a day of celebration of the Black community in America 343i was generous enough to give everyone a free Nameplate in Halo infinite called "Bonobo" which is a species of... monkey... yeah...... let that sink in...)
"Oh but you see, Bonobo is just the default term for all the unnamed stuff in the engine and they forgot to actually add a name to this nameplate made for a very specific occasion. It's a total coincidence this incident happened on Juneteenth of all days and never on any other day of the year." I think it's absolutely hilarious that the fanboy cope about this situation still unintentionally throws 343 under the bus by implying they're too inept to add a name to a fucking nameplate. Also, never forget "Moochers of Reach," that shit wasn't an accident
@@nagger8216 You're also forgetting that many of the people who were in charge of the "bonobo incident" are also the same people who were community leaders and members before they worked at 343. It's so important to remember that most of the people that think they're "totally not racist", also have older videos they had to delete that had them speaking entirely outlandishly about others back when they were younger, including and not limited to deleted social media and forum posts of the same regard. The ironic scenario here is that 343 isn't "full of racists". The Halo Community, however, is.
I'll say one thing for 343, I wanted to play some Halo 2 on PC and I didn't need to buy MCC as a whole to do it. On Steam you can buy any individual game from the collection as DLC, which gives you MCC with only the game you bought installed and enabled, with the option to buy the others as DLC. So I finally got to play Halo 2A's campaign without needing to pay for the whole collection and while I'm going to get the rest of the Bungie games as I go through them, I have no need to ever purchase or own Halo 4 unless I decide to try it out of morbid curiosity but given I hated the hour I tried of it years ago, doubt it'll come to that. To buy them all as DLC might be slightly more expensive than just getting the collection but I still think that's a pretty fair trade off for giving us the freedom to pick and choose what parts of a collection we want to pay for. I'm sure we've all bought a collection where we weren't interested in every game on it before, having the option to exclude them and pay less for what we do want is something I wouldn't mind other companies copying from 343. Like with Bethesda pushing for mod support on console, just because they manage to constantly piss off both fans of their games (seen plenty who like Halo 4 but agree that 343 has seriously dropped the ball several times) and the legacy fans who are loyal to games made by a different company in what may as well be a different franchise, it doesn't mean they can't have a good idea now and then. As for the 343 lore, not gonna lie I like the Precursor stuff because I'm a fan of extremely nonsensical Sci fi stuff like neural physics or whatever the bullshit God level tech they had was called. I also like the origin of the flood, the idea that the Precursors were akin to benevolent deities yet were still fallible enough that lowly but aggressive and ambitious mortals, the Forerunners, could eventually challenge and eradicate them because it's all tech and not magic (despite how severely blurred such a line becomes when dealing with power of this magnitude). That the last act of these benevolent godly beings was a desperate attempt to ensure the survival of their race, yet through pure chance this went horribly wrong and created what would become the nigh unstoppable bane of the entire universe. An act of hope from a benevolent species decimated by betrayal, ultimately wrought the vengeance they never wanted. The Forerunners despite being succesful in overthrowing what amounted to God and ascending as close as they could get to such a status themselves, are ultimately consumed by something that mirrors them. In their aggression and hunger for power, control, dominance, they corrupted the divine into a twisted mirror of themselves and the Flood consumed them with all the might the Forerunners dared to think they could ever challenge. The broad strokes, I love the ideas and how it works thematically, plus I'm a total simp for literal God tier Sci fi tech like the Precursors have. All that said however, it's not Halo or it shouldn't be. In a vacuum I love the broad strokes of it but to just tack all that on to the existing Halo history and lore, fundamentally altering massive elements of foundational parts of the lore while paradoxically also being as blatant a rehash of what we already had as the Star Wars sequels, is pretty dumb regardless of how much I do like the some of the ideas 343 has. If 343 were to give me this whole Precursor/Forerunner conflict as it's own franchise inspired by Halo, I'd be totally into it but as part of the Halo universe it just feels tacked on, sloppy, lazy, too much the same and too much different at the same time.
I want to thank you for single handedly making me realize that the butchering of Halo lore was even worse than what happened to Star Wars. Your reviews helped me realize it. Before I never really fully grasped just how bad it was despite not liking many of 343’s changes. You helped me realized how awful the new games have been.
A lot of it, which I don't think Andy here knows, is all thanks to the Communities efforts into creating "lore" based in the books. We forget that the Brothers Grim were simply Halo Community members who "Loved Halo's lore so much" that they created books on it, then eventually worked at 343 and helped create Halo content on the side. Or the various Halo content creators who slowly worked at 343 Industries over the years on the story and narrative team. Many of the "problems" with lore inconsistencies and entire rewrites are due to community interpretation, rather than what's actually there at face value. Many took more "inspiration" from books created by non-Bungie story leads, and helped shape Halo's story into this, rather than focusing on the foundation that was laid out in 2001, 2004 and 2007.
@@anonymous7564 Hello Anonymous. I think you remember me from when I wanted to know about the philosophy of Bungie's games. I wanna ask some questions. 1) What do you think about Halo Reach? It's singleplayer and multiplayer? I never played Halo in my entire life, but I want to know you thoughts about the game. Many people loved it, many people hated it. 2) What do you think of 343, it's lore compared to Bungie's lore and also the lore of Staten and Nylund, compared to Bear's Forerunner trilogy? I watched the Sabertooth video about how Humans are Forerunners. Have you? 3) What do you think of Infinite's gameplay in both singleplayer and multiplayer? I watched "Terminal Array's" videos for singleplayer and the combat is great in my opinion, I wish there was no grapplehook and no sprint. I hope you don't call me a 343 shill, please, because, overall, I do not like them. Anyways, another thing I liked is the generally smaller crosshairs (I don't know why I like them), and the overall look of the guns. But I do not like the design of the ring, it looks fucking ugly, with all those metal pillars. I NEVER played a Halo game, but watching videos of Zeta Halo was painful becuase of the graphics. At least, the combat is great. I'm gonna say this again, I just wish there was no grapplehook and no sprint. I don't really know a lot about the multiplayer, I don't watch videos of it, and I never played it. So what do you think of it, Anonymous? And how would you compare the SINGLEPLAYER COMBAT in Infinite compared to the other Halo games from Bungie and 343? Only the combat, not the visuals, graphics, stc. I hope you can answer those questions. That will be great. I am a recent Halo fan, only like for 1 year or so. 1 year ago, I have no fucking idea what John-117 was, or the Flood, or the Covenant. Now I know. But I want to know your answers to the questions. Bye for now, Jans Kam.
While I do take issue with a lot of 343’s lore, I do actually kinda like the idea of the precursors but I think they were poorly fleshed out. An ancient and powerful race choosing to lay dormant in the face of extinction and then being horribly perverted by time and space is a great concept in terms of cosmic horror. Just executed poorly which isn’t a surprise given that 343 was at the helm.
Being scammed is the societal norm nowadays, most people have gotten used to it and keep wanting to believe infinite will get better because they have a form of Stockholm syndrome with 343 lol
How can someone say that 343 canon is more valid than bungie canon? You can pick and choose what you believe about the story, death of the author and all that, but you cannot argue that the original creators intent is less canon than some stuff someone made up after the story was all told. If the rightholder to Lord of the Rings wrote a book that retconned everything Tolkien said, would it really matter to the true canon? Of course not.
Most of them unironically PREFERRED when 343 retconned Bungie's story. You see as much in the Halo subreddits. There's this weird sympathy people have for 343? They're always so critical of Infinite (because they secretly love Infinite but are afraid of saying that they do because it's not popular to say so) but god forbid you bring up the story. Because 343 are saints to these "fans" (aka tourists) and they can do no wrong, Microsoft and Bungie are the evil ones! Not Saint 343 No, 343 IS Microsoft. They were formed with employees and executives FROM Microsoft. They are literally one and the same, but for some reason people think they're not? Those same people will then tell you lies about Halo 3 retconning the Forerunners, and the terminals, so it's okay for 343 to do it, right? It's okay to revive Spark (god the "explanation" they give on the wiki is so pathetic) and have him travel with someone who looks like she's from a completely different franchise, because apparently Bungie retconned too, so it's all okay!
Its such a tragedy what has happened after Halo 3. I never would have thought halo would have become so trash with the games, the lore, the story telling etc.
Nothing 343 has done is cannon to me. It's obvious all they wrote wasn't connected in the slightest to what came before. They just took the skin suit of halo and did their own shit.
this video hurts. I feel bad for ur friend. he was blissfully unaware to all of this horrific butchering of Halo, and now u have ruined him. I wish I could go back to the days before 343 lore existed
Halo Infinite was a "spiritual remake" of Halo CE, and now Halo Studios (former 343) is doing Halo CE remake with UE5. Can they just leave Bungie Halo alone?
10 minutes in I keep hearing you know what burke? As you know what bert? And now I'm listening to the rest of the lore dump imagining it's bert and eernie from sesame street talking and bert freaking out and it's glorious.
I don't understand. I just don't. There are so many creative people in the world, let alone whatever city 343i calls HQ. Yet they find a way to recruit the least talented and capable people to run a fan favorite franchise into the dirt. Like... at this point, if I created a list that ranked everyone in the world in terms of capability to make a Halo game, every single staff member at 343i would be at the bottom of the list. Okay, okay, that's a bit hyperbolic. Maybe there's one or two people that simply aren't in the position to make meaningful contributions to the franchise that might make the game better if they were, but it's such a low percentile, you'd be better off just scrapping the whole studio. I feel like the executives at 343i, Blizzard, Disney, and a few other studios get together and legitimately go over viable strategies on how to tank their companies reputation. Like, maybe it's a challenge? Like they sink the studio so far that they're considered more competent by doing nothing and then take on the challenge of trying to gain back AT LEAST what they lost. It's the only thing that makes any kind of logical sense to me.
My big issue is that the most interesting aspect of halo is the human covenant war. The ships, tactics, ideologies, factions and weapons. I don’t care about gene codes or weird librarian ladies I want military sci fi with a backdrop of an ancient civilizations ruins.
The vehicles driving around “on their own” happened when you got into the vehicle and it didn’t actually put the player in the vehicle and then as you would walk around I believe the vehicle would drive at the same time. It was quite a weird bug.
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Frank O' Connor single handedly divided an entire fanbase because of his fan fiction that never made sense.
TBH after thinking about it, I've come to the belief that a lot of the fans that side with him aren't fans of the games - not saying they never played the games, just that for them they always took a backseat.
They were fans of the books. That's why so many of them will die on the hill of 343 writing and defend explaining critical plot details in external media.
This is the problem with lorefags, they’ll take anything as long as it adds to the lore.
@@averymicrowave1713 TBH, his eras additions weren't even all that great in terms of the extended lore either. Bad Blood fucks over the likeable character's of Bungie's only real character driven game, ODST. Greg Bear's forerunner saga ruins alot of the interesting elements that Bungie's forerunners had and introduces new factions that don't really do anything but confuse previous halo fans. Grasslands was an alright book but to be quite honest, its story should have happened as a game and not before whatever the fuck halo 5 was. It will always sadden me that 343 failed to bring the external lore (that was written under bungie's reign) into the games while also respecting what bungie had established previously, both narratively and characterization wise. Maybe Frankie and Microsoft shouldn't have hired people who hated the series, oh well.
@@averymicrowave1713More like fans of Greg Bear. Anyone who is a fan of the Bungie era books is probably even more irritated with 343's retcons than game fans. For example, the complete rewrite of shield worlds, the purpose of them, and why they failed is just painful to witness for anyone who liked Ghosts of Onyx. Now, a "shield world" is not a giant slipspace dyson sphere bomb shelter inside a metal planet. Instead, it is a name for the Didact's flying ball fortresses.
The fact Frank O’Connor retconned the entire bungie lord because he wanted to tell his story rather than what bungie had going. Nobody talks enough about this.
That's because most people that still care about the story, are rabid 343 stans. I know I'm promoting 'Us vs Them' shit here, but the population of Halo fans has shrunken to such a state I feel it's justified
@@jeff3221the 343 consoomers already made it us vs them. They incessantly attaq us as "toxic fanboys" and try to degrade the original games to make their trash look better. They outright lie to protect 343. They are as much responsible as 343 for the state of Halo. Then they have the nerve to blame us because their darling 343 failed yet again to deliver a viable product, let alone a a real Halo game.
"I am a monument to all the sins of an ancient alien species unrelated to you." just doesn't have the same ring to it you know.
the sin of humanity being feeding space dust to their space dogs creating the flood I wish I was making this up.
Insert Halo UA-camr saying “Halo Is back!” Everytime they add 1 new pixel to the menu screen
Insert halo you tuber saying "halo is dead!" Everytime they remove 1 pixel to the menu screen
insert halo youtuber saying "halo is both alive and dead" every time they put the menu screen in a box and theres a 50/50 chance they either added or removed a pixel from it
Yes, one pixel AKA 20 Dev Maps, the best map Creator known to mankind, an average amount of modes with rotating modes, free event battle passes, ect...
@@whenisdinner2137that’s saying a whole lot of nothing
@@whenisdinner2137oh wow, it's everything that should have been in at launch, how impressive.
Worst part about this is that people think the new lore is better
And that is their prerogative
@@peanutgallery4 I would accept that when it objectively breaks it's own rules. According to the the librarian the genesong guarunteee our success following the ideals of destiny. Then our genesong that specifically made cortana made an evil a.i. that destroyed human civilization and then caused the downfall of humanity. Then our genesong decided to force us against the banished to reawaken the endless. A force quoted as more dangerous than the flood.
They literally went chosen one to somehow have a set of mysterious coincidences cause our downfall. The literal opposite of the stated lore as far as our genesong and destiny is concerned.
That is one of many issues with 343 lore because they abandon most of a previous games story because people had issues with the gameplay.
@@xenosayain1506 I've talked to 343 lore nerds about this before, asking them if the Librarian actually had the power of predestination, and if Forerunners were that powerful how could they ever be defeated? Best faith reading is that it was still very very lucky that Chief did show up and while they predicted alot of things that thankfully happened eventually, it was never down to specifics, as in she didn't mean that Chief himself was predestined nor Cortana, but that enhanced Spartan-like supersuited humans would eventually come about and smart AIs would eventually be created. but she could never have predicted that humanity would be lucky enough to survive the Covenant, and that John would be lucky enough to not have died on a thousand different occasions before arriving on Requiem.
Frank "Dipshit" O'Connor is out after a decade of singlehandedly ruining Halo's canon. Here's hoping for a hard retcon of all the 343 bullshit in the coming years, Microsoft has not been pulling any punches with 343 recently.
@@peanutgallery4 I know 343 lore way too well, and I can tell you that good faith reading is bs. Genesongs aren’t predictions, they’re Forerunner imprints, Chief’s ancestors were specifically imprinted with the Iso Didact’s genesong, hence why Guilty Spark makes the confusion, “why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?” and all that, at least going by 343’s lore. Who’s genesong did Halsey get to make her Uber smart? I actually have no clue. In 343’s lore only *some* humans are Reclaimers, these are the same ones that can activate Forerunner shit and have genesongs. Don’t ask me how that works with every human on Harvest being a reclaimer, 343 lore is dumb and literally didn’t account for that.
In Bungie lore, there was this thing called the Data Vault, in the original Halo 2 ending it was supposed to be under the Ark (which was on earth where the portal to the Ark would be in Halo 3), but in Halo 3 ODST’s legendary ending we see a structure that’s likely the final version. This Data Vault is how Forerunner history and knowledge got transferred to humanity, the humans ended up unknowingly worshipping the Forerunners as the Abrahamic god, and even Latin was learned from the Forerunner. No, really, in Ghost of Onyx it’s revealed that the Sentinels speak it, and in Contact Harvest it’s revealed that the Covenant learned Latin too, likely through their access to the Key ship and the fragment of Mendicant Bias on board.
To me, the canonical ending of the Halo timeline is Halo 3. Everything 343 has done is fully some separate Alternate Universe. Master Chief is still resting on the dawn.
I still miss the theory that Halo 3 was a prequel to Marathon.
i honestly expected the spartan to just walk past the camera and there being 1 hour of silence
I remember someone uploaded “top 10 things 343 got right” and it was just an intro + 20 minutes black screen
@@tobsmonster2 LMAO
That would have been hilarious and still accurate.
I almost skipped the sponsored segment, but then I stopped myself and thought, “Wait, maybe it’s actually fake.” And I was so happy that it was; thank you for doing that.
Bro walterrific is everywhere what
Lmao I never thought bought I’d see you on a Video like this
Best Raid Shadow Legends ad read ever! 🤭
1h vid for an April fools vid is insane!
Edit: Was a fun watch, it was a nice opportunity to see a halo fan that stopped following halo once Bungie left react to 343 shenanigans.
@@Arthur-Brown yeah I wrote this during the intro, watching it now, I'll edit my comment once im donzo
It was also recommended xD.
@Arthur Brown hey I needed some way to pad out the runtime
As another person who dropped out of Halo after Reach and also never read past Ghosts of Onyx, it was a treat!
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The MintBlitz call out was too good LOL
it really was. hes so fucking pathetic and so fucking annoying. it was incredibly cathartic to target him and call him out
He's not a massive 343 stan but he's certainly one of them.
No time stamps. When was that?
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fk mintblitz
I’ll admit it...the title got me
when you start listing all the 343i lore contributions like that one after another it really sounds like they had no idea what they were doing with the IP from the beginning
the pre-343i lore was amazing too, one of the best sci-fi universes ever. What a total waste
Indeed, even if they did not hire people who hated halo they were still too stupid make something out the game that was Infront of them. I don't know if you remember, but 343 did a lot of stupid shit with halo reach like completely making the infection maps and game modes unplayable. That right there is enough evidence to show that they had no idea what they were doing.
There is no 343 canon, just like that Halo TV show is no real timeline. Just a nightmare Chief was having in stasis.
Also thank you for including the Sega Dreamcast to the table.
Yeah. Chief is still floating through space on the dawn as far as I’m concerned and this is all a big nightmare.
@@mernyr Kinda like how Marathon guy is having nightmares while going through timelines.
@@OmegaF77Well, to be fair, the Marathon android is actually jumping between timelines while dreaming. Chief could definitely be jumping into horrid timelines where shit dont make sense, but his original timeline is nice and happy and free of flood sentient-life.
The first 60 seconds summarizes every 343 shill better than I ever could. "woah guys they added 3 maps, a gun, and some cosmetics. THE GAME IS SAVED!!!!!" Though I'll stand by the only good thing 343 ever doing is doubling back to actually (mostly) fix MCC, add some stuff, and release mod tools and Steam workshop support for all the games. Shouldn't have been as broken as it was on launch, but at least it made a turnaround since that's the only way to play the old games on PC and newer consoles. All the Halo mods in the works are much more fun and interesting than Infinite will ever be, in terms of new content. I would have been more outraged if they just abandoned it forever.
Eh, about MCC, that was actually Certain Affinity, not 343, 343 employees like Dersky literally *laughed* at the issues as if they weren’t even a problem.
@@Slender_Man_186 i rember that
@@Slender_Man_186 I ‘member that too. All 343 seems to do is laugh at us and steal our money
@@user-ns4zm8qe9p not mine, I haven’t spent a cent directly on Halo since I preordered 4.
I recently played through Halo with a friend who never played before. By the end of CE he had deduced that humans were forerunners. He thought it was a neat dramatic irony that the covenant are trying to kill their gods without knowing it. When we got to Reach he asked me "are we gonna play 4 next?" and I told him "well... it's not very good. it was 343's first game and they changed a lot of stuff like the backstory." He asked me "like what?" and I told him "well one of the big ones is they made forerunners aliens." and he made a disgusted face. We still haven't played Halo 4.
Smart move on your guy's part.
Its a great game with some moments that almost feel like Metroid Prime but yhea the story uggh, Halo 5 blows and this new one feels half done.
BASED, THATS WHAT IM DOING WITH MY FRIEND WHOS NEVER PLAYED HALO
Your friend is lucky to have you.
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Ehh, if I wanted to play Metroid Prime, I’d play Metroid Prime. Not Halo. I love both series to death, but I don’t think they mix particularly well.
Should have told Burke about the Endless and how much they are "sO MuCh wOrSe tHaN tHe FlOoD bRo I SwEaR!!", lol. 343 is obsessed with powercreeping their OC villains like it's a new episode of Dragon Ball Z, I swear
Oh yeah, LOL
They really did that shit and I was baffled trying to figure out how the “we will consume everything in existence until everything is one within us” species can be beat out by ANYTHING in terms of what is the worst threat to existence
@@D00dman the endless were captured on a ring, right? Whag did the forerunners have to do against the flood again, remnind me
Apparently they survived the firing of the rings so… I guess that’s why they’re so dangerous. Idk how that works but hey, 343 probably doesn’t either
@@atomicspartan131 Apparently they MIGHT have some time distortion powers? But yeah literally the only reason they were imprisoned was by NOT dying to the rings and for some reason that makes the Forerunner AI deathly afraid of them. Some BS reason about them being a threat to Humanity taking the Mantle or something, IDK.
God I fucking hate how the industry today CANNOT tell a good, consistent story no matter the medium
You absolute MONSTER. This man could've lived the rest of his life in peace, not knowing the horrific insanity of 343 lore.
Genesong: There is absolutely nothing special about human ingenuity. It's all programmed.
It's actually kinda priceless to get the reaction of a classic fan being exposed to 343's decade long comedy of errors all in one conversation.
Its especially hilarious cause afaik the spartan armor is fucking worthless to what the forerunners had whilst getting beaten by an advanced form of the flood. Think theres a line somewhere about mjolnir armor being comparable to a forerunner hazmat suit
@@dodojesus4529 Guilty spark said that in Halo CE, that chiefs armor is hazmat armor
@@atomicspartan131Nah, he says something like his Combat Skin was a tier 1 when the Flood Infestation Protocol called for tier 11. It was basically a fucking jumpsuit to them
@@andrewmeyer3599 point being, the librarians plans are laughably shit. If you do this genesong stuff you may aswell go all out and make yourself god-empress.
@@andrewmeyer3599 It was Class 2, while Flood Protocol called for Class 12.
When it come to the Flood origin, he left 1 major part of 343 lore out
When humanity first discovered the corrupted precursor dust, they used it as, and I shit you not, *FUCKING DOG FOOD!*
@@benbennington8859 the difference is that that was done out of desperation and necessity following events like the Bronze Age Collapse, not sheer stupidity.
@@benbennington8859SPACE DOG FOOD????
@@Slender_Man_186in their defense, it was purely beneficial for several centuries before fuckery happened
I'm honestly so happy you keep talking about Frank O'Connor. Obviously it runs deeper than just him now but my god his input into the series has been such a detriment to it... Good to see someone with a voice in the community (that I've seen anyway) who speaks up about him, a ton of others seem to just cope or flat out not talk about it.
Is that the Frankie that wanted the forerunners to be another alien species instead of human?
See "You Were Forerunner"
@@limonbattery also, the rest of Bungie wanted Halo to end with 3, they were forced to make ODST and Reach by microsoft in the first place.
@@zackwerth77 Sure, but a net negative impact on Halo's consistency in plot and themes cannot be overlooked. Frankie was not qualified for his job and so he should be replaced.
Edit: He was replaced. Please hit yourself with the door on the way out Frankie.
@@zackwerth77 he really hasn’t, even when he worked for Bungie he contradicted the timeline of events regarding the firing of the rings and reseeding of life in the galaxy twice, first in Cradle of Life and then again in the terminals, and it was those same terminals were the precursors and “mantle of responsibility” were introduced.
They attempted to REVIVE Guilty Spark???
Yeah, they clearly wanted to make their own shitty story, but had to slap the Halo brand on it, because no one would have wanted to see it otherwise.
Yeah they did. In a Terminators body tagging along a discount Rogue One character lookalike who is the daughter of John Forge.
@@Prehistoeif Are you talking about THE seargent forge? the man that was spartan in all but name only? The fucking MVP of humanity that inspired Spartan 3's to fight on his behalf?
@@Prehistoeif I'm calling it now, in a couple years we'll get a brand new reveal for a game or book with "Somehow the Prophet of Truth has returned."
@@limonbattery and hes commanding a fleet 8 times the size if the original covenant (manned by all the different species of course).
All of those ships are rigged to explode if he dies though, but hes super duper god strong boi that can lift massive battleships before getting beaten by chief in 2 minutes
@@xiphosmaniacShe looks like an Ashley Williams knockoff in that photo Andy showed lol
Your conversation with your friend is just about every single conversation I have with my friends about Halo
Same.
I feel like you’re too soft on Frank O’Conner.
Frankie tried changing the lore all the way back in Halo 3. If you read the Halo 3 terminals, some follow the established lore, while others fuck everything by making the Forerunners a different species, or the Didactic and Librarians individuals instead of roles in Forerunner society.
Frank O’Conner is the reason why Halo’s story is so fucked.
PREACH!
include the IRIS campaign and Halo: Legends
"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made."
Same thing happened to Rome.
Take a look at their marble statues around the time they were beginning to fall.
You mean...just like the same Tolkien quotes people copy and pasted all over the internet when that shitty lotr amazon show came out? Cuz that's totally new and original and not just using a wise gentleman's words to express your own displeasure towards a shitty corporate product that doesn't actually matter at all. Get a better copypasta, or at least a more original one
lol unsourced and not relevant
hand over that fake Tolkien card
@@Coltara what the fuck are you talking about?
That's the Flood isn't it
You forgot to mention that Joe Staton was brought on 343 to be used as a meat shield
Exactly, every time they dragged his ass out on stage, it was to deliver the bad news. I hope Joe ends up replacing Frank.
Why is this not being criticized more, seriously
I know right? The poor guy looked like he was on suicide watch last we saw him. Between this and what happened with Destiny I legitimately feel bad for him, he can never seem to catch a break with these mediocre hacks and corporate douchebags.
@@Slender_Man_186 I hope 343 never makes another game.
Staten was actually brought into 343 in early 2020, far before the reveal trailer. He was setup as a starting date at the beginning of July, and a primary reason to why he was simply was to onboard the marketing team and push the game into help market the game to it's appropriate audience.
He then took over about 3 different leadership roles post the middle to end of 2020. A large part of criticism internal developers have and had with leadership was Staten and his insistent and continuous attempt to make the "community" the most primary function of Halo Infinite. In this case, a lot of the things you see "wrong with Halo Infinite" are actually either a community forerunner effort, or a community involvement effort post launch.
The problematic side is that almost every aspect of "Real Halo" was entirely not being worked on because the community believed that a robust complicated Forge mode and a robust complicated method of a custom games browser would "bring people to use Halo as grounds to build new games".
The best part was waiting for Forge and Custom Games Browser to drop weeks apart and absolutely no one care that it existed, and 343 to say "See ya Joe" as they knew he was going to get fired. The turn around was many of the battle pass and character model design/animation team was let go, along with numerous pve design teams, and Staten was let go by being demoted back to his old position.
Joseph Staten, Creative Director of Publishing -- Aka Creative Director of Words & Marketing. Focused primarily on Recore on the Xbox One. Although he did create and embody a large quantity of the story of Halo, the problem is that he never touched the story of Halo Infinite, nor was he wanting to, or even wanting to work on the narrative side of Halo. He existed in the "Creative Director of Halo Infinite" spot solely due to the fame he was put on, and the pedestal he stood on provided him grounds to attempt to please people that arbitrarily would never be happy, since most of them never liked the multiplayer of halo, and legitimately didn't even want Halo to be successful so they can keep it a "niche fps".
A fun criticism of 343 was that Bonnie actually accepted him as taking over 3 leadership roles, all of which he had zero experience in.
This is the equivalent of hiring a marketing firm to develop and design the product you're creating, and then warp the product to fit the marketing, rather than warp the marketing to fit the product.
We have to realize: Staten was the embodiment of everything "wrong" with 343, not the savior. That's like hiring Jason Jones to be "HCS" lead whilst disregarding that Jason Jones hated that Halo's multiplayer was more successful than the campaign he designed.
But no one will admit that, and Bonnie Ross will go down as the "Martyr that had to be removed to save Halo" despite the actual issue all along was the lack of appropriate leadership or leadership that actually knew what they were doing. The funny part is when people think Bonnie Ross, Kiki Wolfkill or Frank O'Connor had any say over anything of the game. That's as stupid as blaming Bill Gates for the Xbox 360 red ring of death lol. And people listen to 'content creators' who actually think that, which is even more scary.
Me: there's no way...
Also me after looking at calendar: Well now that makes sense.
the fact that it just happened to me now makes me think 343 fans have a mental disability cuz HOW DOES ANYONE LIKE HALO AT ALL RIGHT NOW.
@Lee Kellymore Simple, THEY DON'T, 343 fans are shills, BUNGIE era fans are the real fans cuz I could nerd emoji all about how 343 is NOT CANON to the halo timeline and NEVER WAS but I'll keep it short so GG, you prob ain't reading all that. 😕😕
@@SunnyMitten based and red pilled 🤙
@Lee Kellymore Well thanks to continuity in 343 making no sense and also incorporating BUNGIE's events, it practically makes me, as rude as I am, very "write" in the arguement, ALSO SPELL, NERD EMOJI.🤓
The cycle begins yet again
"Halo 7 will be good guys!!!! We swear this time!!!! Now pay us $30 for the color red"
There’s a Grunt as tall as an Elite that bodies all the Elites he spars with, is besties with R’tas (Shipmaster), and apparently nearly killed a SPARTAN.
The canon really is shit nowadays.
Meanwhile, Bungie created a 12ft tall Chad imperial admiral elite who gained so much personal popularity that the Prophets were legitimately scared he could overthrow them, they basically had to banish him to guard the outer edges of the empire away from the main action of the war.
Damn I really want to know that. What's this grunts name?
@@Slender_Man_186 the Imperial Admiral was a fairly decent character and best of all he was SELF-CONTAINED.
@@Slender_Man_186Tbf, 12 feet is close to a standard elite’s height. A grunt is 5 feet. HALF the size of an elite, and he’s the ONLY one to become a giant twice the size of his entire race at that point
@@AVerySexuallyDeviantOrange elites aren’t 10ft tall, they average at 7-8ft, slightly taller than Chief when they aren’t hunched over, Rippa (Halo Wars 1’s Arbiter) might be pushing 9ft, 12ft is a huge jump up from that.
The Lore behind the Precursors becoming sentient dust that then became corrupted and turned into the Flood has always been the most shitty and disappointingly written piece of lore made by 343. There are close seconds and thirds, such as the Forerunners no longer being humanity but I dunno, this takes the cake for me. 343 has ruined Halo's lore and it's no longer interesting to follow or learn about. One of the best pieces of military science fiction has been destroyed from the inside out, ironically by a company named 343
Good way to ruin all the mystery and eldritch horror-ness to an enemy THEY’VE LITERALLY NEVER INCLUDED IN THEIR GAMES. Ruining shit just for the sake of it lmfao.
@@necro4258 exactly!!! Some mysteries are better to leave unsolved in fiction story writing. It keeps an air of mystery that adds to a stories quality. 343 is clearly incapable of writing a good story
@@aringinspace They’re good and capable at ruining Halo. That’s something they’re good at. I’m convinced that the scumbags at 343 are doing it on purpose
@@aringinspaceThey also brought 343 Guilty Spark back from the dead in put him in a Terminators body and they had him tag along a Rougue One lookalike female character.
Don’t forget how ancients humanity apparently used the flood as dog food.
Yes, really.
As someone who's only now played the original trilogy thanks to the MCC and realising that all the lore I had heard about Halo was retconned since Halo 4, I truly feel like the Arbiter after being shown that his whole religion and beliefs are just a mere ruse to manipulate him. Thanks for legitimately opening my eyes.
Oh god the Halo 3 Terminal entries. In those entries the Didact and Librarian are not characters they are Forunners Job Titles even in one of the Terminal entries they refer to there being Librarians meaning more then 1 C3 Sabertooth has a video that explains the Terminals Entries in Halo 3. Which thanks to the Greg Bear Forerunner trilogy books the Halo 3 Terminal Entries are no longer cannon thanks to Frank O'Connor retconing them out of the lore!
He also pointed out that, thanks to Halo Wars 2, basically the entirety of Halo 3's ending isn't canon.
@@samiamtheman7379 yeah because 343i had to for no good reason make Halo Wars 2 apart of the Mainline Cannon of Halo even though Halo Wars 1 during Bungie wasn't apart of the Mainline Cannon it was just it's own Game with that had it's own Cannon, Characters, and Story that didn't conflict or Contradict the Mainline Halo Games from Bungie, all because Bonnie Ross wanted her own Disney Star Wars and MCU!
Don’t forget IRIS and Cradle of Life, first in Cradle of Life he wrote that the portal to the ark was built *after* the galaxy was reseeded, then in the L&D terminals he wrote that the portal was *built and buried before* the rings were even fired, the Librarian also saying that she remotely destroyed all of the key ships needed to activate the portal, and then in the Halo Legends episode Origins Part 1 multiple key ships are shown reseeding life, and then in the last Forerunner book he goes out of his way to explain that the Librarian actually programmed sentinels to build the portal at Voi and that it wouldn’t be complete until well after the rings had fired. How the hell does one person fuck up the lore this much?
@@Slender_Man_186 Frank O'Connor that's who someone who fucked up all the time at Bungie and if Bonnie Ross had done even the basic research on Frank O'Connor she would have known that he was a fuck up but she was so desperate to find anyone that knew the "lore" of Halo that she picked a known lier, an open Sexual Deviant who loves talking about fattening up women and Scat Porn, and has been know by some ex 343 developers to being a known Racist and saying Anti-Muslim and Anti-Semetic comments both in the workplace and on public form sites like Forbs and other from sites that he has been permanently ban from for said comments but never got in trouble thanks to him and Kiki Wolfkill being heavily protected by Bonnie Ross who only ran the Business part of the company while Kiki and Franky ran the development part of 343i. Apparently they would lie to her and tell her what a good boss she was and Bonnie Ross would lie to Phil Spencer and tell him that things where going great when they weren't. That was a statement from a ex 343i developer who had been with 343i even before Frank O'Connor join. This shows just how bad things really where their!
@@Slender_Man_186 lol Why the fuck would the Librarian even be on Earth if she wasn't overseeing the construction of the portal? Frank and 343 really need to grasp the concept of Occam's Razor, holy shit
28:22 And people say that Matt Forbeck is a ""fan"" of ODST. Yeah I'm sure he's a fan when he's killing off the Rookie (literally the guy you play as throughout the entire Mombasa Streets section of the game, whom has been through hell and back, and morons say he has No ChArAcTeR) and literally making it so he's shot in the back of the head and dumped out at sea (at least Noble Six went out fighting) and making the comedic relief of the squad a TRAITOR all because he's the explosives expert of the team???
Oh yeah, and they broke up Alpha-Nine entirely. Yeah, you know, that team that was desperately trying to reconnect with each other back in ODST? They no longer exist at the end of New Blood. All because they had to make Buck a Spartan, which defeats the entire purpose of his character (that he ISN'T a Spartan and doesn't need to be), which, mind you, Buck was already a last minute change because Thorne was originally part of Fireteam Osiris, and his voice actor wasn't available, but Fillion was.
New Blood was so bad they had to retcon Mickey being a traitor in Bad Blood, and now suddenly all is forgiven with Mickey and Alpha-Nine is back to normal but now they're all Spartan-IVs because god forbid an ODST exists in 343's universe. Don't you just love that?
And people claim New Blood is "good."
Everything should have been mysterious.. no explanation.. especially with the flood, and 'forerunners'..
"Ladies and Gentlemen, today is the day. 343 have finally fixed the skin I've made 3 videos about last week. Halo Infinite is saved"
To me, the 343 Forerunners look like Voldemort from the Harry Potter series. LOL
They kinda look like the Brutes lol
1:19 you have all my respect for this raid, shadow legends advertisement. I know contact creators need to do these commercials to make money and survive, but I always think a little bit less of the ones that do raid shadow legend.
funny thing is, you could probably get away with doing that as a legit sponsored ad for that game. They really don't care about how you do these, just as long as you mention a legit promo code and tell people what they get from claiming it and where to find the game. The payout you get is completely based on how many people register with those codes anyway. It's almost respectable how much freedom they give people to do these ad reads. Shame the game still is just a shallow, if kinda pretty looking, typical mobile game.
This video aged really well. Now with the 343 rebrand it only gets funnier
What really ticks me off about 343 bungling the Halo lore is that I think the concept of the lovecraftian entities that are the Precursors is awesome. An ancient cabal of gods that can control reality, and are all but wiped out by the Forerunners through means unknown? Forcing them to hide in a desperate shape-shift that backfires horribly and turns them into an all-consuming entity that is both mindless and frighteningly intelligent? Sign me the hell up, that sounds perfect! But, unfortunately the introduction of that concept is surrounded by a bunch of nonsense that either contradicts, retcons, or outright invalidates the original games.
Leave it to 343 to have one awesome idea and still fuck it up.
Ikr
Sadly unfortunate
Naah fuck nah that shit is dumb
Rolled my eyes at the title until I saw who uploaded it.
god damn you and I had the exact same reaction xD
@@ZAGON117me to was like tf is this shit then saw who uploaded and was like ahhh lol
I completely forgot it’s April 1st
@@Long_Fang I saw it and went "April first, time for some serious fucking sarcasm"
@@ZAGON117 I honestly didn't know the date today till this video XD
There is no doubt in my mind that the composer was invented specifically to tease a John/Cortana romantic relationship. John becomes digital so now they can 'be together'. Then Halo 5 comes along and it allows Cortana to become physical so now they can 'be together' in a different fashion. But how will it happen? Stayed tuned for more stupid fan-fiction writing and an absolutely purposeful destruction of the story to demoralize us.
Because good writing uplifts the human spirit. Can't have that anymore. Wonder why?
Demoralize? Is that you Yuri Bezmenov?
Ooh, better watch out, that's some real high power level stuff with just these 2 comments alone...
@@Slender_Man_186 lots of media is made to demoralise white guys. Yeah i know that sounds crazy but writers are actually open about it. *Star wars isn't for you anymore, your time is over.
*Replace with any modern adaption of an older franchise or hobby that appealed mostly to guys
we are in hell
Thank you for the validation, I thought I was tripping all these years thinking it was such a great reveal in Halo 3 when what's his name used Sarge's hand to activate the forerunner thingy and said "only one of them could activate it". I thought it was so cool that the forerunners turned out to be humans all along and when that wound up not being the case later on I was like, what did I miss? I didn't miss anything. 343 missed it.
Watch "you were forerunner" on youtube its fantastic and goes into detail
You missed that the Humans were the successors to the Forerunners
@@peanutgallery4 That's goofy af
@@peanutgallery4Rewriting a story≠writing on top of it
343 writers:
"Oh we dont know this certain thing about this certain part of the lore? Let's cram as much Information into it as possible with no regard for if it actually adds to the themes of the story."
"Mystery? Who needs Mystery! lets over explain everything and turn the Franchise into Warhammer or Star Trek"
Excellent
Andy exposes his mate to the god awful 343/frankie lore. I could feel his pain. Solid video.
This has the same energy of Mike Stoklassa rattling off horrible Darth Vader nu-lore to Rich Evans
Take a shot everytime Berk hears some lore and says "c'mon, oh no, or WHAT!" And I will meet you in the ER.
Remember, the Librarian gave humanity the blueprint for MJOLNIR armor and smart AI, but couldn't help humanity move beyond 7.62mm NATO, .50BMG, and 14.5x114mm. Apparently power armor for a few dozen super soldiers was more important than better weapons for a military of like a billion. Did she like handicap our brains so we never move beyond 20th century bullets? I'm a fan of the M2 never retiring meme, but 600 years of service is a bit much...
Why didnt she just drop forerunner tech and the steps to build them onto hummanity? This already takes away self determination so why notmake sure the future "rulers" of this galaxy dont get exterminated
@@Riorozen Yeah I know and I'm mocking it for being one of the dumbest ideas in space fantasy (343 Halo isn't sci-fi as evidence by that whole plot point). I'm making fun of the fact that even if it made sense as a concept and was compatible with prior lore, it would make zero sense in the context of what we see.
That first section with how Infinite was fixed was hilarious, and exactly what literally every 343 shill has been saying about how there’s ‘so much more’ when it’s just a few maps, 1 gun, and 1 borderline useless equipment.
I tried playing it yesterday. I installed it while I was at work so I could play when I got home. I started it up and the main menu never loaded. I had it running for an hour as I made dinner and it just never allowed me to do anything. It is not fixed.
Meanwhile I remember Bungie dropping Cold Storage, totally unprompted, totally out of nowhere, and totally free for Bungie Day. Now *that* was exciting, because the game was actually worth a crap.
@@qrowing 343 pretends that making a map is a herculean task that requires millions of hours of playtesting and a year of development and their stupid clueless 5000 player fanbase just believes it
the equipment useless? sounds like a skill issue
@@covenantempire9783 dude, be honest, shroud screen is useless, they should've just given us a bubble shield.
This put halo's last decade into perspective for me. I haven't launch halo infinite since just after season 2 launched; but I never uninstalled it, because I thought... it could maybe be good eventually? I now realize how foolish that hope is, and will be uninstalling the game posthaste. Thanks for this video.
" Somehow, the Didact has returned"
The funny thing about the "Didact in two different places" conundrum is that it seems even those who follow 343i's lore don't even know it: there ARE two Didacts running around who are the same person: the Forerunners apparently have this custom of creating "backups" of themselves in Geas implanted on other beings in order to continue their lives. The Didact that we see in Halo 4 is the Ur-Didact (the original) while the one mentioned in the Halo 3 terminals is the Iso-Didact (the backup). Ur here went mad insane because of the Flood, namely Gravemind roasting him in public, while Iso came to be due to some weird shenanigans triggering the backup earlier than intended. Its still stupid space magic tho but basically the Librarian cucked her husband with her husband and that's important to the lore because it was Iso who ultimately helped with the Halos firing. It is incredibly stupid and convoluted, and just wanted to mention that. You're welcome :>
This is Halo now. Now a moment for a collective sigh.
Bro wtf!
I had to pause the video and spend the rest of my day procesing the fact that Guilty Spark is now ripped af and has a hot girlfriend and has adventures through the galaxy with her like how the hell did that came to be!
Andy: “They have retconned forerunners not being humans but completely different species”
Burke: *cries in frustration*
1000% relatable to me!!!
Nice video, guys :)
>some people called me a halo 2 fanboy
As if that's a bad thing lol, lmao even
Also, appreciate the use of the FEAR soundtrack at 1:37. Always nice to see that game get some love.
Ikr
to be fair halo 2 is arguably one of my least favorite bungie halo games
@@Sockren its good just dont play it on legendary
@@bruhgod123 its alright but it just feels like the sound design of the guns got heavily nerfed aswell as the damage against the enemies.
*me waking up after a years slumber*....
"Huh?! Halo Infinite is still a thing??!"
I refuse to reinstall the game until a progression system, firefight, and campaign dlc/extension is added.
I havent played since the 1st week Season 2 released.
I miss when Halo used to give me goosebumps.
This makes me realise how far Halo has fallen. I wish I was your friend still living in 2010 ending with Halo Reach 😭.
I’m done with Halo. This was the final thing that made me realise no matter what you say or do to Microsoft/343 it will never be like the glory days of 2000’s Halo. Plus holding on with Halo is an unhealthy Hopium addiction.
Anyway great video. I’m going to pretend Halo’s story started with Reach and ended with Halo 3. Everything else that is 343 is just a fanfic and the Paramount TV show was never made. The end 🤣
Yes, of course, the Librarian. The lady who made the worst level in Halo CE.
some say the chief is still making his way through the hallways till this day...
The librarion is not the worst halo CE level. It's a classic brainlet take for people who can't appreciate oppressive game design to complement an oppressive foe.
@@Filip1613 even the devs have talked about how poor the library is as a level. how about instead of insulting people for having a different opinion, you actually try having a genuine conversation.
@Cynical Gold Library isn't very good, but having played all of them multiple times, I would say Library's overall design is better than almost all of 4's.
@@Filip1613 Bruh, i play Pathologic 1 for fun. Dont @ me about oppressive game design, the level is just ass.
You wanna talk oppressive game design? Lets talk about the mission Cortana from Halo 3. You're at least working towards a tangible goal in that level, so whatever the devs throw at you dont really get to you that much because it makes sense narratively. You're plunging into the belly of the beast and you're meant to barely get out of there alive with your reward (that being reunited with Cortana). Its very satisfying narratively. You're also not stuck in an auto-scroller in Cortana, so if you're good enough at the game, you can get through it faster. But its going to be pretty hard. Cortana is the second to last level in 3, you're meant to be challenged heavily that late in the game. As much as speedrunners give the level shit (given its a run killer, especially with skulls on), its an excellently designed experience for a level near the tail end of the game.
The Library is midway through CE, is horribly paced, prohibits you from completing the level faster (which its fine if you like that, but i wouldnt even really consider that "oppressive" design more than it is just having to wait), and the challenges the level throw at you arent even necessarily that engaging. You just spray with the shotgun the entire time and thats it. Its a slog and you just have to not be stupid and not needlessly waste your shells. Its a very important mission in the story of CE, but the same is true for many of the levels in CE. And you cant even argue that its a good wave defense level or some shit. The very second level of CE does a much better job at wave defense and there's a lot more room for skill expression and using game knowledge as well. It rewards repeat playthroughs.
Burk's reaction to Chief being fortnite is geniuly impressive, it came out of his soul lmao
Microsoft should do some twitter polls on which 343 employees get fired.
We can then at least get frank O'Connerr out.
That would be funny, make it a weekly thing. People can place bets on who will win lmao
Frank O’Connor was fired in April 2023
That halo 2 mcc pc floor bug is one of the most insane things I’ve ever personally witnessed in a game release. The fact it was a nearly 20 year old game being rereleased for the third time (vista, mcc, then mcc pc) made it even nuttier.
So many players that day were excited to enjoy halo 2 again and watching that feeling die as players fled over the course of one day will never leave me. There’s no way they tested that pc release version even once.
I think you should consider making a full mcc video. There are a handful out there but you clearly have a full grasp of the mountain of errors.
A large part of that was due to Unreal Engine being the outward engine utilized for the interface/ui. The funny part is still that people think that it's a "good idea" to go to Unreal Engine, as if Hogwarts Legacy wasn't a prime example to why you don't use that engine as a AAA developer.
@@anonymous7564 Unreal engine is like the industry standard my dude. It's used for Fortnite, Bioshock, Splinter Cell, Borderlands, Deus Ex, Chivalry, Assetto Corsa Competizione, Alice: Madness Returns, Abyss Odyssey, and more. 343i is so incompetent that they don't even know how to use a robust, industrial-grade game engine properly where I have seen it crash multiple times trying to load MCC.
Master Chief's Mjolnir armor was shined with Jiralanae hide at the Dr Catherine Halsey Surgical Modification Center (DocCatHalSuModi)
"How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?"
"It feels great."
Fucking lol, based reference
I propose a platinum timeline that unretcons everything and starts where halo 3 left off.
Holy shit I finally found the sane part of the fandom
Really sitting down and going over the vast “interesting” history of 343 lore sure is something 😅
I havent played Infinite in months. You got my hopes up for a second. I thought they did start cooking but I guess I was wrong.
The fact you had hope for this game made me want to spit in your next meal and point at you in disgust and then bust a move and throw a dog treat at you
Poor Burke. 🤣 Andy, how could you 'gift' him all this cursed 343 Era Halo Lore?
343 lore is honestly why I fully believe Halo can NEVER be saved.
Too many garbage books about space bullshit and retcons
EDIT, Battle Royal (The film) was great, good Japanese slasher flic. Better than the cheap American rip off, The Hunger Games
Man, I knew 343 had ruined Halo but I don't think I realized the lore was this fucked (because 4, 5, and Infinite do such a bad job of conveying the info I guess).
Thats the worst part. They butchered the lore in favor of their new thing, but they cant even manage to adequately explain their new thing without forcing you to read a bunch of reddit tier dollar store novels.
@@Sebomai-b8iThe novels are legitimately awful, and people unironically soyfaced over the Arbiter and Vale book, I hate using that word but good lord it was just so embarrassing. Who the hell even cares about Vale nowadays? Or anything from Halo 5? I saw these same people say that Vale "saved" Halo 5. Worthless character with embarrassing dialogue (thanks Brian Reed!) like using the actual terminology for Elites and Brutes instead of just calling them that like literally everyone else does in the series. Imagine the Arbiter calling humans "Homosapiens" constantly instead of just saying humans. It would sound cringeworthy as hell. That's what Vale feels like. Then these same people lose their minds over this one detail because she literally doesn't have any other personality than "She speaks Elite and likes them a bit too much, haha!"
Honestly she should have been Dare instead, even if I hate the whole Buck becoming a Spartan thing, at least she's a much more likeable character that we know already like Buck, actually does have personality, has a pre-established relationship with Buck that we saw in ODST that could still be expanded upon, could even lead to more interesting conflict in Osiris (both her and Locke are ONI agents) instead of... whatever Vale is. It would have been vastly better, and honestly no one talks about Dare in any rewrites for Halo 5 for some reason when really she singlehandedly would have improved Osiris by her mere presence alone due to Buck being hesitant about having to work with ONI agents again, about the mission yet again compromising the relationship between him and Dare just like we saw in ODST, Buck trying to convince Dare that Chief isn't the threat but Locke and ONI say otherwise... this sounds so much more interesting to me than what we got. But no, ODST is apparently written by a "12 year old", or at least it feels that way to people like Ascend Hyperion!
And that's JUST Vale, don't even get me started on the Didact they STILL refuse to kill off even after Frank has left 343 because otherwise he would have had a baby meltdown since it's his epic Star Wars OC and sent death threats to 343 over it. He defended the Halo TV show and if it were up to him, he would have made that canon too instead of the "silver timeline" crap
Nobody:
343i: *The Bonobo Incident*
(In case people "forgot" or just don't know what the bonobo incident is well, on juneteenth a day of celebration of the Black community in America 343i was generous enough to give everyone a free Nameplate in Halo infinite called "Bonobo" which is a species of... monkey... yeah...... let that sink in...)
"Oh but you see, Bonobo is just the default term for all the unnamed stuff in the engine and they forgot to actually add a name to this nameplate made for a very specific occasion. It's a total coincidence this incident happened on Juneteenth of all days and never on any other day of the year." I think it's absolutely hilarious that the fanboy cope about this situation still unintentionally throws 343 under the bus by implying they're too inept to add a name to a fucking nameplate. Also, never forget "Moochers of Reach," that shit wasn't an accident
@@nagger8216 You're also forgetting that many of the people who were in charge of the "bonobo incident" are also the same people who were community leaders and members before they worked at 343. It's so important to remember that most of the people that think they're "totally not racist", also have older videos they had to delete that had them speaking entirely outlandishly about others back when they were younger, including and not limited to deleted social media and forum posts of the same regard.
The ironic scenario here is that 343 isn't "full of racists". The Halo Community, however, is.
whoopsies
@@anonymous7564 as a halo fan i can confirm the community is full of racists but not as full as racists as CoD
I wasn't expecting an April fools vid, but like over 1h is really crazy xD.
I'll say one thing for 343, I wanted to play some Halo 2 on PC and I didn't need to buy MCC as a whole to do it. On Steam you can buy any individual game from the collection as DLC, which gives you MCC with only the game you bought installed and enabled, with the option to buy the others as DLC.
So I finally got to play Halo 2A's campaign without needing to pay for the whole collection and while I'm going to get the rest of the Bungie games as I go through them, I have no need to ever purchase or own Halo 4 unless I decide to try it out of morbid curiosity but given I hated the hour I tried of it years ago, doubt it'll come to that.
To buy them all as DLC might be slightly more expensive than just getting the collection but I still think that's a pretty fair trade off for giving us the freedom to pick and choose what parts of a collection we want to pay for. I'm sure we've all bought a collection where we weren't interested in every game on it before, having the option to exclude them and pay less for what we do want is something I wouldn't mind other companies copying from 343.
Like with Bethesda pushing for mod support on console, just because they manage to constantly piss off both fans of their games (seen plenty who like Halo 4 but agree that 343 has seriously dropped the ball several times) and the legacy fans who are loyal to games made by a different company in what may as well be a different franchise, it doesn't mean they can't have a good idea now and then.
As for the 343 lore, not gonna lie I like the Precursor stuff because I'm a fan of extremely nonsensical Sci fi stuff like neural physics or whatever the bullshit God level tech they had was called. I also like the origin of the flood, the idea that the Precursors were akin to benevolent deities yet were still fallible enough that lowly but aggressive and ambitious mortals, the Forerunners, could eventually challenge and eradicate them because it's all tech and not magic (despite how severely blurred such a line becomes when dealing with power of this magnitude).
That the last act of these benevolent godly beings was a desperate attempt to ensure the survival of their race, yet through pure chance this went horribly wrong and created what would become the nigh unstoppable bane of the entire universe.
An act of hope from a benevolent species decimated by betrayal, ultimately wrought the vengeance they never wanted. The Forerunners despite being succesful in overthrowing what amounted to God and ascending as close as they could get to such a status themselves, are ultimately consumed by something that mirrors them. In their aggression and hunger for power, control, dominance, they corrupted the divine into a twisted mirror of themselves and the Flood consumed them with all the might the Forerunners dared to think they could ever challenge.
The broad strokes, I love the ideas and how it works thematically, plus I'm a total simp for literal God tier Sci fi tech like the Precursors have.
All that said however, it's not Halo or it shouldn't be. In a vacuum I love the broad strokes of it but to just tack all that on to the existing Halo history and lore, fundamentally altering massive elements of foundational parts of the lore while paradoxically also being as blatant a rehash of what we already had as the Star Wars sequels, is pretty dumb regardless of how much I do like the some of the ideas 343 has. If 343 were to give me this whole Precursor/Forerunner conflict as it's own franchise inspired by Halo, I'd be totally into it but as part of the Halo universe it just feels tacked on, sloppy, lazy, too much the same and too much different at the same time.
I agree it has nothing to do with the essence of Halo
I want to thank you for single handedly making me realize that the butchering of Halo lore was even worse than what happened to Star Wars. Your reviews helped me realize it. Before I never really fully grasped just how bad it was despite not liking many of 343’s changes. You helped me realized how awful the new games have been.
A lot of it, which I don't think Andy here knows, is all thanks to the Communities efforts into creating "lore" based in the books. We forget that the Brothers Grim were simply Halo Community members who "Loved Halo's lore so much" that they created books on it, then eventually worked at 343 and helped create Halo content on the side. Or the various Halo content creators who slowly worked at 343 Industries over the years on the story and narrative team.
Many of the "problems" with lore inconsistencies and entire rewrites are due to community interpretation, rather than what's actually there at face value. Many took more "inspiration" from books created by non-Bungie story leads, and helped shape Halo's story into this, rather than focusing on the foundation that was laid out in 2001, 2004 and 2007.
@@anonymous7564 Hello Anonymous. I think you remember me from when I wanted to know about the philosophy of Bungie's games.
I wanna ask some questions.
1) What do you think about Halo Reach? It's singleplayer and multiplayer? I never played Halo in my entire life, but I want to know you thoughts about the game. Many people loved it, many people hated it.
2) What do you think of 343, it's lore compared to Bungie's lore and also the lore of Staten and Nylund, compared to Bear's Forerunner trilogy? I watched the Sabertooth video about how Humans are Forerunners. Have you?
3) What do you think of Infinite's gameplay in both singleplayer and multiplayer? I watched "Terminal Array's" videos for singleplayer and the combat is great in my opinion, I wish there was no grapplehook and no sprint. I hope you don't call me a 343 shill, please, because, overall, I do not like them. Anyways, another thing I liked is the generally smaller crosshairs (I don't know why I like them), and the overall look of the guns. But I do not like the design of the ring, it looks fucking ugly, with all those metal pillars. I NEVER played a Halo game, but watching videos of Zeta Halo was painful becuase of the graphics. At least, the combat is great. I'm gonna say this again, I just wish there was no grapplehook and no sprint. I don't really know a lot about the multiplayer, I don't watch videos of it, and I never played it. So what do you think of it, Anonymous? And how would you compare the SINGLEPLAYER COMBAT in Infinite compared to the other Halo games from Bungie and 343? Only the combat, not the visuals, graphics, stc.
I hope you can answer those questions. That will be great. I am a recent Halo fan, only like for 1 year or so. 1 year ago, I have no fucking idea what John-117 was, or the Flood, or the Covenant. Now I know. But I want to know your answers to the questions.
Bye for now, Jans Kam.
This is like watching a video of someone being tortured but instead of screaming in pain they are just disappointed and confused
Burke’s reactions to what 343 has done to the series is almost exactly the ones I got from my friend who hasn’t played a Halo game since Halo 3.
All the grifter channels are saying season 5 fixed it for reals this time 🙄.
While I do take issue with a lot of 343’s lore, I do actually kinda like the idea of the precursors but I think they were poorly fleshed out.
An ancient and powerful race choosing to lay dormant in the face of extinction and then being horribly perverted by time and space is a great concept in terms of cosmic horror. Just executed poorly which isn’t a surprise given that 343 was at the helm.
I forgot how stupid 343's lore was
Being scammed is the societal norm nowadays, most people have gotten used to it and keep wanting to believe infinite will get better because they have a form of Stockholm syndrome with 343 lol
How can someone say that 343 canon is more valid than bungie canon? You can pick and choose what you believe about the story, death of the author and all that, but you cannot argue that the original creators intent is less canon than some stuff someone made up after the story was all told. If the rightholder to Lord of the Rings wrote a book that retconned everything Tolkien said, would it really matter to the true canon? Of course not.
Most of them unironically PREFERRED when 343 retconned Bungie's story. You see as much in the Halo subreddits. There's this weird sympathy people have for 343? They're always so critical of Infinite (because they secretly love Infinite but are afraid of saying that they do because it's not popular to say so) but god forbid you bring up the story. Because 343 are saints to these "fans" (aka tourists) and they can do no wrong, Microsoft and Bungie are the evil ones! Not Saint 343
No, 343 IS Microsoft. They were formed with employees and executives FROM Microsoft. They are literally one and the same, but for some reason people think they're not?
Those same people will then tell you lies about Halo 3 retconning the Forerunners, and the terminals, so it's okay for 343 to do it, right? It's okay to revive Spark (god the "explanation" they give on the wiki is so pathetic) and have him travel with someone who looks like she's from a completely different franchise, because apparently Bungie retconned too, so it's all okay!
Its such a tragedy what has happened after Halo 3.
I never would have thought halo would have become so trash with the games, the lore, the story telling etc.
Nothing 343 has done is cannon to me. It's obvious all they wrote wasn't connected in the slightest to what came before. They just took the skin suit of halo and did their own shit.
Makes me sad how much 343 has ruined halo, they never understood any of the fudamentals that made it great
This got me so bad. I fell for it. I hang my head in shame.
Me as well..
Omg everything about this video is gold.
I feel like I've finally found the sane part of the fandom.
I can't imagine the pain of having all this absolute idiocy dumped on me in one go, poor fella
At least some of us had it spaced out over a decade
If you look up "Chronic Stupidity" in the dictionary, its just a photo of 343s lavished headquarter logo.
this video hurts. I feel bad for ur friend. he was blissfully unaware to all of this horrific butchering of Halo, and now u have ruined him. I wish I could go back to the days before 343 lore existed
New title: Andy talks to a man stuck who was stuck in a Halo time capsule for over a decade for an hour and one minute.
I hope frank O'Connor gets fired
I have good news my friend
@@todddouglas7231 It is finally over thanks for the good news.
@@justletmeuseyoutube213 I wouldn’t say it’s over… The damage he’s done to halo can’t be reversed at this point.
@@todddouglas7231 I know but I can take solace that he can't do anymore
I love they're just talking in multiplayer maps, and they just have a whole setup sitting there
I'm not sure how many of these one guy explains bad halo lore to another guy. But I would definitely watch another
The master chief in Fortnite spit take was absolute gold hahaha
You missed out telling him on the Halo Paramount series haha
343 lore is just VERY VERY BAD fan fiction of Warhammer 40k (The Old Ones "=" Precursors)
This is also unironically a great summary of how the Halo franchise has been diving downhill post-Bungie
Halo Infinite was a "spiritual remake" of Halo CE, and now Halo Studios (former 343) is doing Halo CE remake with UE5. Can they just leave Bungie Halo alone?
Exactly. They’re out of new ideas, and a remake is ideal because it’s "easier" and will generate huge profits.
You guys should start a podcast. This was a dope convo
Only if the format is the same: an hour of him telling his friend about trivia for crap games. He could do a David Cage series easy.
eh the entire channel is chill discussions about games.
His friend is as entertaining as a 6 year old wanting to impress his older brother
10 minutes in I keep hearing you know what burke? As you know what bert? And now I'm listening to the rest of the lore dump imagining it's bert and eernie from sesame street talking and bert freaking out and it's glorious.
His name is Berk.
@janskam6376 I'll look them up, my cc said burke and I didn't check.
You know it's gonna be good when the title is 3/2 and a raid shadow legends ad is in it
I don't understand. I just don't. There are so many creative people in the world, let alone whatever city 343i calls HQ. Yet they find a way to recruit the least talented and capable people to run a fan favorite franchise into the dirt. Like... at this point, if I created a list that ranked everyone in the world in terms of capability to make a Halo game, every single staff member at 343i would be at the bottom of the list. Okay, okay, that's a bit hyperbolic. Maybe there's one or two people that simply aren't in the position to make meaningful contributions to the franchise that might make the game better if they were, but it's such a low percentile, you'd be better off just scrapping the whole studio. I feel like the executives at 343i, Blizzard, Disney, and a few other studios get together and legitimately go over viable strategies on how to tank their companies reputation. Like, maybe it's a challenge? Like they sink the studio so far that they're considered more competent by doing nothing and then take on the challenge of trying to gain back AT LEAST what they lost. It's the only thing that makes any kind of logical sense to me.
My big issue is that the most interesting aspect of halo is the human covenant war. The ships, tactics, ideologies, factions and weapons. I don’t care about gene codes or weird librarian ladies I want military sci fi with a backdrop of an ancient civilizations ruins.
forerunners in 343 books live for like 10 000 years or some shit
The vehicles driving around “on their own” happened when you got into the vehicle and it didn’t actually put the player in the vehicle and then as you would walk around I believe the vehicle would drive at the same time. It was quite a weird bug.