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  • That time you are loaned a harrow and you get very stuck! 🤦🏻‍♂️😆
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  • @katefeltwell3977
    @katefeltwell3977 11 годин тому +1

    I was first drawn to Mike's channel a few years ago when he was playing tug o war with his various tractors, little did I know that towing stuck equipment was an everyday event on Faith Hope Farms!😂🤣😂

  • @DEDBRD-di4yj
    @DEDBRD-di4yj Рік тому +189

    Mike needs a yank-um sponsorship !

    • @nealreardon
      @nealreardon Рік тому +16

      Mike would definitely test it to its limits

    • @ke6gwf
      @ke6gwf Рік тому +3

      ​@@nealreardonnot if he bought the right one! Lol
      They are actually ship mooring lines, and they can get REALLY big!

    • @mikejorgensen1681
      @mikejorgensen1681 Рік тому +1

      I concur captain

    • @robsherman8963
      @robsherman8963 Рік тому

      I was thinking the same thing!

    • @matthewwipf3014
      @matthewwipf3014 Рік тому

      exactly what i was thinking 😂

  • @donaldmckenna6950
    @donaldmckenna6950 11 місяців тому +3

    I think mike must be one of the best guys of there to work for doesn’t get worked up about the smaller things

  • @LilLeon97
    @LilLeon97 Рік тому +9

    Reminds of when I worked for a big op in the Midwest. Had a combine sink during harvest out in the hill country. Boss was a few hours out so we hooked a chain to the 9520 and tried pulling it out. Chained snapped and ricocheted back at the tractor. Busted the back window and struck the operator in the side of the head knocking him out. Took him to the hospital and he got stitched back up and was back out in the grain cart that night. Combine got pulled out later with a strap. Chains are scary, try to never use them if we don’t have to

  • @byronlyn
    @byronlyn Рік тому +19

    Reminds me of the days before straps when we used chains, wire ropes and pulley blocks to get cane harvesting equipment out of a bog. At times we would have to tow the haulout equipment besides the harvester. Remember one day a chain broke and came back at the driver missing him by inches. After that we often put a tyre on one end to act as a shock absorber. Worked well.

  • @TheSlagman0
    @TheSlagman0 Рік тому +16

    Always pull implement at a angle so one side will pop lose to get it started . That helped us when we broke out the CRP, enjoy your videos !

    • @mikemitchell2554
      @mikemitchell2554  Рік тому +7

      Thanks! We would have, but the John Deere's tow cable was rubbing aggressively on the inside tire.

    • @donaldrowley2984
      @donaldrowley2984 11 місяців тому

      ​@@mikemitchell2554😅

  • @farmcentralohio
    @farmcentralohio Рік тому +24

    Congrats Shulte, you have a harrow that'll hold up to what Mike and crew will put it through :)

  • @ericnewton5720
    @ericnewton5720 5 місяців тому +3

    It’s funny watching one tractor try to yank something out, while the other tractor sits parked.

  • @derrickpettit86
    @derrickpettit86 Рік тому +5

    I can't believe you don't have one of yankum ropes biggest ropes in your inventory, they are worth every penny, you could have got a run start an yanked both tractor an everything out, they work like a dream, thanks for sharing

    • @martymartin2894
      @martymartin2894 7 місяців тому

      Run starts do nothing only harm. The reason this wasn't moving was because the bottom was buried in the mud and the hitch. It needed lifting at the front and ramps or something put under the wheels.

  • @Big-Dawg-7777
    @Big-Dawg-7777 Рік тому +69

    Mike needs a yankum

    • @Flav52
      @Flav52 Рік тому +9

      Yes and some soft shackles, these are safer in case they break

    • @GamingAppleTheFirst
      @GamingAppleTheFirst 6 місяців тому

      i second this, Kinetic ropes are great, plus Yankum makes a rope fit for tractor towing as well.

  • @gregperringp
    @gregperringp Місяць тому +1

    Schulte should be proud 😂❤ I do appreciate their products

  • @danielpullum1907
    @danielpullum1907 8 місяців тому +6

    Boy did this bring back memories. I helped Farm Rescue up in N.Dakota about 10 yr ago. We were planting barley. We had a 60 JD air drill with a 3 tank seed/fertilizer behind a 12 wheel JD just like yours. We hit a slew. Unhooked the seed wagon and pulled it back. Got 2-75' 120K chains and began pulling the air drill around. We were making progress until we weren't & the tractor sank. The mud was at the tops of the wheel hubs. It took 2 JD's of the same setup 2 days later to get it out. The hitch was 3.5' deep in the mud. You know what they say, "No good deed goes unpunished"............. LOL

  • @petermolnar8667
    @petermolnar8667 Рік тому +23

    We call that work spoiling rain, not enough to make you go home, just makes everything worse 😅

  • @halwilliams1682
    @halwilliams1682 Рік тому +4

    Had to rerun that Fendt rescuing the Deere at least five times. Thanks for the entertainment!

  • @ryanbachman9227
    @ryanbachman9227 Рік тому +2

    Mike when your pulling out a stuck tractor combine or whatever lay a jacket or sweatshirt on the strap cable or rope. That way if it happens to snap when your pulling hard there is enough weight to keep it from flying up in the air and through the window.

  • @Parents_of_Twins
    @Parents_of_Twins 11 місяців тому +3

    My Dad and I were moving a log cabin for a guy using our grader. We had it hooked up with a heavy duty log chain. There was about 15-20 feet of chain between the grader and the cabin and it snapped at the cabin. That chain hit the back of the grader so hard that it went through the grill and lodged itself about an inch into the radiator. I have heard people mistakenly say a chain won't snap back at you like a cable but that's most definitely not true. Thankfully for us it hit the radiator so hard it actually sealed most of the hole it made. Dad put some JB weld on the part that was still leaking and went back to work. It's amazing what you can do with a grader.

    • @KristiLEvans1
      @KristiLEvans1 7 місяців тому

      Gadzooks! The force that must’ve taken is ungodly!

  • @sewerman911
    @sewerman911 Рік тому +2

    Dam I knew I should have went with 16 tires! 😂

  • @Rcod2013
    @Rcod2013 Рік тому +24

    Hi from oz Mike. Although my gear is lot smaller than yours (14.5 foot seed drill 12 foot heavy offset discs) I’ve learnt that to get implement out of being bogged , I pull it at 90 degrees from its direction of travel. It pops out so easy first time every time.

    • @crandonborth
      @crandonborth Рік тому +10

      Yup it’s all about leverage and not trying to pull the full deadweight all at once.

    • @Rcod2013
      @Rcod2013 Рік тому +4

      It all comes with experience and age lol.

    • @sasfarmer
      @sasfarmer Рік тому +3

      Yup. Pull at angle which allows one side to come out first then the other, less resistance.

  • @claydoesvids
    @claydoesvids Рік тому +13

    My thoughts after seeing the cover picture: "What has Mike gotten himself into now...?"

  • @walnutkraken9430
    @walnutkraken9430 10 місяців тому +2

    If only that tractor had a few extra tires….. 🤔

  • @robertlee4809
    @robertlee4809 7 місяців тому +5

    I've stuck them worse than that as a young operator, not knowing or listening to my old man😂😂. We would unhook that equipment/hitch pin/hydraulics, use chains and come-alongs to pick up and hold any loose cutting/smoothing/drags/harrrows, attachments out of the mud, have another tractor come around behind with a long, 2" steel cable, pull the equipment out backwards (most all soil breaking equipment has a tendency to pull down into the ground as it's cutting and digging in....a disc will rise up out of the mud if you pull it backwards). Then once that attachment is out, come around to the front of that tractor and hook that 50' 2" cable to the pad underthe front end(depending on if the mud hole gets deeper as you pull forward or bulldozing mud in front, in which case you would pull it out backwards). Much easier on all the equipment, although more time consuming. For the record i was born in The Delta of Mississippi 1968...stsrted driving tractors on my dad's 12,000 cotton/soybean farm at age 10, 1978. Black and green Mississippi gumbo...operator for the next 9 years until 1987, joined military. Came home and got right back on more, MUCH NEWER equipment. And drove tractors/combines/cotton pickers until around 2007. All these videos you see with all this equipment stuck and bogged down? I've had most if not all the same experiences in my time😂😂😂😂. I don't know it all but I know how to get a stuck ass piece of equipment out😂😂

  • @dirtdevil70
    @dirtdevil70 Рік тому +9

    When we had equipment stuck we always pulled at a slight angle, it would pivot the stuck enough to pop it out of the hole.

    • @toddloosli3376
      @toddloosli3376 Рік тому +1

      Have to be very careful that you don't bend the tongue when you don't pull straight

    • @crandonborth
      @crandonborth Рік тому +4

      @@toddloosli3376You’re not bending a Cat 5 hitch… they are a couple inches thick.

    • @Northern_Farmer
      @Northern_Farmer Рік тому +1

      Exactly what I said

    • @dirtdevil70
      @dirtdevil70 Рік тому

      @@toddloosli3376 slight angle... not 90 degrees lol.. like just enough angle to get the pull tractor out of the previous ruts.

  • @shoresharp8349
    @shoresharp8349 Рік тому +15

    Fendt 1167 is a dang impressive 2track !!!

  • @rogerquenault7207
    @rogerquenault7207 Рік тому +8

    The problem with big equipment is you get a big stuck, Great video as always.

  • @SoWhatIfI...
    @SoWhatIfI... Рік тому +7

    It's bad when you pull the pin and there's water underneath!

  • @melvinhofer6978
    @melvinhofer6978 Рік тому +1

    Laught my ass of when donavan said I only need a metric Millometer awesome video like always mike

  • @kl7887
    @kl7887 Рік тому +10

    I now understand how he got stuck in the first place! The reaction time when Mike tightened up the strap is second to none! 😂😂

  • @adamwiseman5831
    @adamwiseman5831 Рік тому +48

    I love how positive Mike stays

    • @brandonharlow7067
      @brandonharlow7067 Рік тому +2

      Stucks = views which = $. Not to mention this is basically kids playing in a sandbox lol

    • @crandonborth
      @crandonborth Рік тому +11

      Honestly that’s what makes Mike a great boss… people actually want to be around bosses like this.

    • @bjrnhjjakobsen2174
      @bjrnhjjakobsen2174 Рік тому +1

      So true! And much appreciated

    • @adamwiseman5831
      @adamwiseman5831 Рік тому +2

      @@crandonborth great to see. Should be an example to others .

    • @adamwiseman5831
      @adamwiseman5831 Рік тому +3

      @brandonharlow7067 is true, but the potential damages are much higher in dollars if anything breaks .

  • @mrwanderlive
    @mrwanderlive Рік тому +7

    Mike is a wise operator. He knows slow and steady wins.

  • @kevincreech7345
    @kevincreech7345 Рік тому +5

    You never go where the cattails grow

  • @joescheller6680
    @joescheller6680 Рік тому +4

    Cat tails are very good for an indicator for not where to go.😅😅😅😅

    • @olben1095
      @olben1095 9 місяців тому +1

      Back East, we call them marshes.

  • @theotheronetoknow5828
    @theotheronetoknow5828 Рік тому +5

    Moral of the story, if there are cat tails don't go. Reminds me of a grain cart driver 14 years ago always had cat tails where he got stuck.

  • @va3kbc
    @va3kbc Рік тому +13

    Larson Farms have the Yakum ropes. They work very very good Mike

    • @Muffin_Masher
      @Muffin_Masher Рік тому +2

      Those kinetic ropes are DANGEROUS ;) they turn whatever they are attached to into a bullet.

    • @Mygirlfriend3141
      @Mygirlfriend3141 Рік тому +2

      I don't think they pull drills out and you can't fold them as nicely

    • @johnnyhomegrownholmgren9999
      @johnnyhomegrownholmgren9999 Рік тому +2

      @@Muffin_Masher: Are you serious? Do some research! You might learn something!

    • @kenhofer8063
      @kenhofer8063 Рік тому

      @@johnnyhomegrownholmgren9999 he means chains

  • @thomasforbes8904
    @thomasforbes8904 Рік тому +1

    That's the best stuck we've seen in a long time

  • @byamrcn
    @byamrcn Рік тому +2

    Couldn't help but notice no reference to the Kalahari Desert in this one lol

  • @Dean-t2s
    @Dean-t2s Рік тому +1

    Whoops 😂 been there,tried to forget.had to Laugh. Got to love farming aye.

  • @jascollinscork
    @jascollinscork Рік тому +2

    Congratulations Mike.... 👏🏻👏🏻 a pure pro! Like best Stuck of the year 🤷😬

  • @MegaRusty1973
    @MegaRusty1973 Рік тому +9

    Found yourself a couple of runaways for farm help. Good job those boys know how to work

  • @jeffreyhopperton
    @jeffreyhopperton Рік тому +2

    Don’t go where the Cattail grows !!!

  • @Chiellus11
    @Chiellus11 Рік тому +3

    Who needs Jim when you got Donovan ?

  • @smoothbore4377
    @smoothbore4377 11 місяців тому

    Lot of lessons to be learned here today.

  • @firefighterpk2440
    @firefighterpk2440 11 місяців тому

    Just a thought Mike, when we used to pull beet trucks around, or had something stuck bad, we had a hunk of steam pipe rigged up to lock in the 3 pt, had a truck tire on it, chain wrapped a heavy cable to the tire and then to whatever we had to pull. It allowed us to jerk pretty hard and the tire was the shock absorber. 🤷‍♂️. Never pulled a tire apart. 😁

  • @SuperDagbo
    @SuperDagbo 9 місяців тому +2

    Excellant job men.

  • @TractorSolice
    @TractorSolice 10 місяців тому

    nothings as bad as that beautiful camera man with a bigger tractor than me

  • @danb5489
    @danb5489 Рік тому +17

    Mike, you really need to get yourself a yankum rope. They do have some that will pull almost any amount of weight. And they do stretch a little so you can get a running pull and the kinetic energy will help get your equip out. Plus they are lighter than that big ass strap your using. Check them out. I think youll be impressed.

  • @farmcentralohio
    @farmcentralohio Рік тому +41

    Thanks to Shulte for allowing these videos.

    • @olben1095
      @olben1095 9 місяців тому

      Yup. May as well recognize what happens in real life.

  • @bobbysears6626
    @bobbysears6626 7 місяців тому +1

    Lord I didn’t know cat tails were up there!! We got them in South Georgia and we don’t go where they at either!!

  • @timwurz1580
    @timwurz1580 Рік тому

    Lehra dudes getting all of mikes equipment stuck lol😂

  • @gabek7010
    @gabek7010 Рік тому +4

    Back up down over there when I was farmer we had a quarter of the size of equipment. Probably half the size of the fields to Sunny. You built yourself quite an empire their kid. Keep your family close. It’s good to see this day and age everybody working together like they should. Unfortunately Junior, this is getting more and more obsolete. well, hell. Way to use your head kid. God bless you and yours.

  • @crandonborth
    @crandonborth Рік тому +4

    Ehhh… Mike it’s a bit wet in there dont yah think… 😂😂

  • @douglasmayherjr.5733
    @douglasmayherjr.5733 Рік тому +4

    Good job getting it all out safely. You need some big shackles to connect directly to the drawbar and hitch of implement. Stay Safe out there guys.

    • @kris7625
      @kris7625 Рік тому +2

      He does have the tow cable package on the tractor

  • @ecmnfarm2265
    @ecmnfarm2265 Рік тому

    We usually put the strap through the middle of a car tire to keep the strap from coming through the tractor window.

  • @jackkonnof4106
    @jackkonnof4106 Рік тому +1

    Ahh this brings back memories. I buried our steiger to the frame trying to cart corn to lighten the picker up so it could make it. It took a lot of back and forth with the disc to fill in my 4 ft deep trenches. Get your poor dirt worker a kidney belt so he doesn't suffer too bad the poor guy.

  • @SlackerU
    @SlackerU 8 місяців тому +1

    Every time you get stuck should be responded with spending the same amount of time & money for more drainage. If you've got to dig a bog to lower(unclog) the ground-water table then it could be part of the plans. My view is that 30% of the land should be dedicated to stormwater-drainage, though I'm no large-scale farmer.

  • @asquithmainlines699
    @asquithmainlines699 Рік тому +8

    Most deer avoid the swamps, that’s moose territory.

  • @burtbrooks7731
    @burtbrooks7731 Рік тому +1

    Nice wiggle waggle on that harrow💪

  • @kylevanwinkle2081
    @kylevanwinkle2081 10 місяців тому

    That's lucky I've seen a few get ripped in half trying to pull them out. Older 8wheel machines, but we started splitting them when they got as buried as this machine instead of ripping them apart

    • @AlbertaBoy745
      @AlbertaBoy745 9 місяців тому

      That's why we got the tow cable now ,it hooks to the back so that you can't pull it apart

  • @kevinevjen4741
    @kevinevjen4741 11 місяців тому

    Interesting. It looks like a half of an M carburetor. I recall the M having two floats paired together instead of one float. Thanks for sharing!

  • @CharlesRob-gf2nt
    @CharlesRob-gf2nt 5 місяців тому

    We always pull at a 45 to 90 degree angle from the stuck tractor .They alway come right out

  • @RealJohnWayne
    @RealJohnWayne Рік тому +2

    I see that Mike and his Dealer (s) still adhere to the outdated adage of "bolting every weight possible" to his tractors, which is 100% detrimental in soft conditions, not to mention anything about soil compaction.
    "Nothing Runs Like A Deere" 🦌 👍 🇺🇲

  • @annamschnetzer4036
    @annamschnetzer4036 Рік тому

    I'm watching... it's been up for 2 days.

  • @alexmikhael5061
    @alexmikhael5061 Рік тому

    WPOW IS THAT THAT NEW HARRORRORROOWWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOOWOWER PROTOTRYPER THINGIE???? THAT THING LOOKS KWEEELLLL!!!! VERY VERY VERY SOOL COOL!!!

  • @danherrmann8755
    @danherrmann8755 8 місяців тому

    One hell of a boat anchor.

  • @KevinChristiansen-i2q
    @KevinChristiansen-i2q Рік тому +1

    Great video Mike and Donavan

  • @davidanderson3999
    @davidanderson3999 10 місяців тому

    Might want to look into those big kenitc ropes, rated for over 200,000 lbs expensive but getting tractors out is not cheap, one rope working where straps break, I switched to ropes years ago,keep a few straps for light towing like 1 ton trucks and stuff not stuck bad

  • @Northern_Farmer
    @Northern_Farmer Рік тому +3

    You need A D8 for situations like this...but i would have tried to pull the tractor at a angle...seems to work better then pulling straight.

  • @deplorable_2024
    @deplorable_2024 Рік тому

    Been there done that, got that T-shirt! I figured they would have to unhitch the tillage tool first.

  • @deplorable_2024
    @deplorable_2024 Рік тому

    Another place to note for some tile work.

  • @eddienash5426
    @eddienash5426 3 місяці тому

    Kinetic ropes work so much better!

  • @crashgsxr750
    @crashgsxr750 Рік тому +7

    That’s one way to do deep tillage
    Mike maybe one of them new case 715 units on tracks ?

    • @gerhardma4687
      @gerhardma4687 Рік тому

      In this case, the Quadtrack would also have to struggle because the slip was large. Power was never the problem here

    • @ryanwebb9099
      @ryanwebb9099 Рік тому +1

      @@gerhardma4687 quad track wouldnt miss a beat going through that.

    • @gerhardma4687
      @gerhardma4687 Рік тому

      @@ryanwebb9099 You can tell a lot, prove it to me

    • @AlbertaBoy745
      @AlbertaBoy745 Рік тому +1

      ​@@ryanwebb9099youre funny

    • @crandonborth
      @crandonborth Рік тому

      @@AlbertaBoy745 Honestly we have had our stuck, but they genuinely don’t sink in. They just get stuck in the top 3 inches of mud and sit there and spin.

  • @duncanmcleish3683
    @duncanmcleish3683 Рік тому +3

    Pretty sure saw Ernie 2.0 sitting on the side lines looking all macho ready to be called up to finish the job. 🤷🏻‍♂️👍

    • @dlwdaddyo1
      @dlwdaddyo1 Рік тому +1

      You can’t believe how many times I got Ernie 2.0 stuck! Actually it was the 4020 with the 3pt roll over plow that got stuck and Ernie had to get it out!

  • @evanmiller1642
    @evanmiller1642 Рік тому

    When farmers farm videos does that mean the worlds gone to hell in a hand basket?

  • @KevinSills
    @KevinSills 9 місяців тому

    Looks like they need to do a bit of tiling there!!!

  • @CaryGuyer
    @CaryGuyer Рік тому

    That was a nice stuck...👍. I think that requires a double stuck payment into the kitty 🤣. Put some LSWs on it.

  • @markusjappe6821
    @markusjappe6821 Рік тому +2

    Fendti did it 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

  • @HisNameIsRobertPaulson01
    @HisNameIsRobertPaulson01 Рік тому

    That Fendt is an amazing machine.

  • @slickdoglong3669
    @slickdoglong3669 Рік тому

    Those triples were probably chewing on a wooly mammoth in that muck pit

  • @MyBussard
    @MyBussard Рік тому

    Get a 4 inch rope Mike, could of hit that at 5mph and it would stretch 5 feet before poping you out, the kinetic energy of tow tractor would help pop the Deere out, done it lots, straps are like a cable, no stretch

  • @ChrisShultis
    @ChrisShultis Рік тому +2

    Mike lose the straps, get a Yankum. You can shock load them and that tractor would come out easy.

  • @jasonh4167
    @jasonh4167 Рік тому

    I agree! Contact yankum rope and inquire about there 8-10” ropes the biggest ones they make are good for 100+ k lbs. the benefits are not digging up the ground, and you drive as far as you can then stop the kinetic energy is equivalent to the force applied.

  • @robkent6321
    @robkent6321 Рік тому +3

    Don’t think that you will ever get enough grain to grow in those cat tail sloughs to get your diesel fuel costs back, but I know you have to keep your hired men busy.

    • @Northern_Farmer
      @Northern_Farmer Рік тому +2

      Yea there is a reason the cat tails grow there...

  • @kennardjohnson7875
    @kennardjohnson7875 Рік тому

    I've gotten tractors so stuck you open cab door and step into mud,but that mostly happens at night. But as soon as you see mud stop it saves grief, I'll work it deep and cause more grief.

  • @ScottyStock
    @ScottyStock Рік тому +2

    so why not install drainage pipes to prevent the bogg? they call them field tile in my part of the US.

  • @Rightwinger1982
    @Rightwinger1982 Рік тому +2

    And we know that Mike KNOWS the danger of using chains that way

  • @rosshall641
    @rosshall641 Рік тому +1

    Pulling on a 45° angle get one wheel up and then pull the other one out after if you pull on an angle you only pull on half the weight

  • @garyh.8082
    @garyh.8082 Рік тому

    Been a very wet October here in Michigan, that's for sure..

  • @twinturbo199
    @twinturbo199 8 місяців тому

    that guy in the deere wants dragging out and never being allowed back in there

  • @CWade-tw8ix
    @CWade-tw8ix 8 місяців тому

    Awesome job!

  • @dennisphillips3059
    @dennisphillips3059 Рік тому +1

    Hey Mike looks like you need to buy a crane for things like that

  • @dustinlowry9075
    @dustinlowry9075 Рік тому

    Mike Lol Wow!👍 Man you Gotter Stuck

  • @davidgaulke7886
    @davidgaulke7886 Рік тому +1

    Started the video and said OH Sh!@!!

  • @schwurblerfresser2621
    @schwurblerfresser2621 Рік тому +1

    I think you need a Stuck List on the North Farm, and even a Plug List for the X9 😂

  • @MATTREBARCHEK28
    @MATTREBARCHEK28 Рік тому

    oh no it suck i hope you get that out that looks bad Mike 🤣😂🤐🤫

  • @fwb8627
    @fwb8627 Рік тому +4

    Always fun to play in the mud lol.

  • @robtaylor6806
    @robtaylor6806 Рік тому

    I’d move tomorrow to come work for you. 3 trucks come with.

  • @robertrevell2573
    @robertrevell2573 11 місяців тому

    Happy Christmas 👍

  • @ron2823
    @ron2823 Рік тому +1

    Larson Farms is probably watching + saying 'should of had a Yankum rope'!

  • @winncollins2356
    @winncollins2356 Рік тому

    Usually around here we leave the wheels up and pull it around sideways

  • @BillSevere
    @BillSevere 10 місяців тому

    Got some nice dirt there bud

  • @l337pwnage
    @l337pwnage Рік тому

    That's one reason it was hard to sell people on straps, even though they are safer.
    Sounds you all have enough experience to know why straps are safer, tho, lol.
    Straps also have more to consider with the variety of materials and applications.
    Lifting straps and recovery straps behave in radically different ways.