NEW Porsche 911 GT3 vs Turbo S: Agility vs Power | 4K
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2021
- With the right approach, finesse can be just as effective as brute force. They are two ends of the same spectrum. Two vastly different ways of solving the same problem. But in the sibling rivalry between the Porsche 911 Turbo S and the Porsche 911 GT3, which approach works best?
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Which one are you choosing, Turbo S or GT3?
GT3 FTW
Gt3 all day every day
Is it possible you guys could review any Bugattis? thank you!
GT3, because it sounds awesome 👍
Gt3 because well… I don’t even need to say it 😉
My opinion is that everyone is missing the point. The turbo s is a car that can be driven with pleasure seven days a week. You can drive it to a nice restaurant with your spouse and it will look great. And… it still is almost as quick on the track as the car that just set a lap record and the professional race car driver said it's the one he enjoys the most. Turbo S for the win.
The engine on the GT3 is far more special than the Turbo S. 600HP+ Turbo cars are a dime a dozen nowadays. Sure, the Turbo S does it better, and with less drama than most. And that can be seen as positive or a negative. That 500hp Naturally Aspirated Flat 6 though, THAT is one of a kind. Literally. And the fact you can now get a softer, manual version with the Touring spec, it's FAR more special. You're right though, if a Porsche is your only car, the Turbo S is more practical. Anyone who can afford these cars has other vehicles though. And as an event, a weekend car that puts a smile on your face.... No competition, the GT3 is WAY more special>
@@carscoffeeandcannabis-634 cannot deny that....! The GT3 is Track friendly and the Turbo S is road friendly....! Cannot deny the awesome launch control on the Turbo S tho....!
I second your point. Personally i choose the turbo s over gt3.
You are not a car guy my friend. You are a numbers guy who goes by logic.
How bout GT3 Touring. That's best of both worlds
Nah you guys are really doing it. The production levels are unmatched. Storytelling and theatrics second to none. This is the most consistent high quality automotive channel in 2021. Keep up the great work and please know that longer videos like this are appreciated 👌🏾
And Rory is just awesome
Only marred by the mobile phone induced noise to the mic or camera. Need better equipment or remember to put phone in airplane mode when filming.
not saying this is bad at all, but, have you watched Hagerty's Jason Camisa hosted episodes?
@@taquito1561 I have and they’re really good as you can tell that he just has a lot of particular historic and encyclopaedic knowledge. I would say his videos are higher quality projects but they’re like television shows but naturally output is lower. Very appreciative to have both.
@@ShogunsDojo i personally like Jason's videos more, but I appreciate any kind of good editing and production on UA-cam, specially on automotive reviews and documentaries
"Couple of seats in the back so you can take your friends and family" yes if they had no legs 😁
Haha🤣
I used the Turbo S to go on double date with a friend ! Our gfs were in the back seats...we pushed the seats forward a bit..yes cramped but it's ok for a short ride...up to 30-45 mins should be ok.
Children under 15 will be ok I think. But grown adult people won't be.
Having a head is a bigger issue due to the low roofline
A dwarf?
I see the Turbo S more as "budget" Veyron than a hopped-up 911. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Exactly what I thought when I first saw these on the road. These new 911’s are literally beasts in a suit.
Or a "budget" 918 with more practicality as well
Could easily smoke any McLaren, Lambo or Ferrari
@@ravirajyaguru5905 yes but those cars can't beat a veyron
FACTS!!!
Man the GT3 is my dream car. It is such a beaut. The sound of that naturally aspirated engine is so satisfying
I'm a retired senior & a car enthusiast all my adult life, I'd prefer the Turbo S Top-notch comparison production
I used to think there was a next car up but as soon as I got the GT3 and been on drives and rallies, I soon realized it’s the perfect car. It’ll smash the corners, make it to gas stops with no issues, and luggage space to spare. Truly a dream car. Great videos gents.
Yup. Going fast in turns is way more fun than going fast straight. Interested to see what the RS can do though.
Both of these cars are just amazing but after driving both of these cars I bought the Turbo S for a everyday drive .
bought the S - first porsche ever, so i saved the first drive for my car when it arrived (after waiting 5mos) - was worth the wait 😊 2021-TTS Cab
@@robertdelvecchio7438, what is the price range of a Turbo S if I may ask?
For its intended street car purpose, these results make me appreciate the Turbo and it's wide breadth of abilities. Fun test.
Agility, better driver experience and WAAAY better sounds. That's the GT3
AWESOME test, Rory! Really cool to see these two go head to head. Turbo S everyday, GT3 for weekends!
I've had a Carrera S with a seven speed manual for a few years, and my next 911 will be the Turbo S for sure. I drove them both on the Porsche Track in Carson California, and in my opinion, the Turbo S is more forgiving and therefore more practical to drive. If you're into track days however, the GT3 is your car.
Title: GT3 vs Turbo S
Reality: Cup 2 vs Pilot Sport 4
The 911 Turbo S will actually do the quarter mile in 10.1 seconds.
Yes, you are watching CarWow
You are 100% right. It's done 10.1 mini X. Don't just say Carwell if this car gets a good launch that time is done. I think you could do better. Also it will go 342 km an hour I should be right at 212 miles per hour I don't want to say Porsche lies but they don't tell the truth
@@delusion2987 I did not know that. I got one coming not going to mod it right away. Not sure what you're talking about would be interested
@@delusion2987 thank you so much. I really appreciate your input! As usual I learn something everyday. A little disappointing but I guess .2 seconds doesn't mean that much. The mine don't have much on it except for the performance needs, sport exhaust, PASM,SPORT CHRONO,etc should get it in a month. BLACK ON ⚫. VERY EXCITED 😊
You're a good man. I appreciate your help. I wish you the best! Keep me up
Now put the same tires (Cup 2) in the Turbo S and do another lap. 😁
Yes, and also bring the PDK version of GT3!
the turbo s would be faster the times are so close as is, and thats with normal tires
@@AwkwardYet You're forgetting about the 200kg weight penalty the turbo has, which on a tight twisty circuit like this, counts for a lot!
0.5 seconds per lap on a 42 second lap is not close at all. On a circuit like the Nurburgring, that would translate into around 6 seconds per lap difference!..... though admittedly the turbo would claw much of that back on the final straight.
Just for the record: In this day with this man power versus agility conclusion: tires matters! 🏁 🤔 😉
Turbo S for me still... I plan on spending most of my time on a road not a track.
But road have corners
Another brilliant episode! You guys really did a great job of explaining the different philosophies behind the 911 GT3 and the 911 Turbo S and helped to prove why the people at Porsche are master car makers. With that said, the GT3 with a manual is the one for me. Bravo Porche, bravo, and again very well done AutoTrader. You guys are killing it with the great content!
The turbo is a 3.8 flat six, and the GT3 doesn’t have a straight 6
Rather, it doesn't have a turbo.
its basically same engine, no turbo . but bigger
LOL I thought I was the only one who heard straight six :) Definitely flat six!
The satisfaction one gets on a perfect shift is something which makes all the difference.
I would love to see this comparison with Cup 2 tires on both.
Cup 2 (R) and standing start
and both pdk
It’d be a much more accurate comparison if he didn’t have it sideways through every corner. Yeah, he’s having fun but these cars thrive on “smooth”.
Those cup 2 tires, are a performance upgrade, I'll assure you... massive performance upgrade..
I like how he acted all kind of goofy then wrecked the track like a boss. lol
You're such a great host! I went through like 15 other videos trying to find something engaging that compared these two cars and this blew them all away. Will definitely be watching more and appreciate the work.
Turbo S for me. I LOVE THE GT3, but I would spend most of my time on the street, and I want to be comfortable!
For me, the 911 GT3 is the best Porsche on the market. Why? Because it has a manual gearbox, the opposing six-cylinder engine sounds fantastic, as well as having a redline that only starts from 9000rpm.
Yes we all love old outdated stuff like manual gearboxes, hand crank starters, coal trains and so on.
Get out of here boomer... GT3 is for midlife crisis men who thinks they are a racing driver.
If you visit racing tracks you buy GT2. If you wanna use it everyday you buy Turbo S, cuz its better in every way as a daily.
GT3 is neither here or there for me sorry. (Boomer - just a joke ;)
@@MaxFiveGames Yes! Let’s bring gender and age on someone who likes a vehicle. Jesus Christ man, if you have nothing nice to say, don’t say it.
@@MaxFiveGames maybe if you can buy 2 cars, but if you only can/want to have one car, the GT3 is the jack-of-all-trades.
@@MaxFiveGames Jesus! Man, you need help! Everyone knows GT3 is a race car and its way more fun to drive than the GT2....! I think your new to the car world....!
@@MaxFiveGames behave yourself
In plain speak.. your presentations are bespoken joyful, on top of obviously being highly informative. Hands down you are the best car presenter. We are lucky to have you on youtube. Full stop.
So on PSC2 the turbo S is as quick, then, even though Landow isn’t a real “power” circuit!
You have to bring Adam back.. great stuff as always Rory.. 👊🏽
Great production, really good presenter and guest driver. The missing component in this test is that cars being tested need to be on the same tires. The faster tires for the GT3 biases the results IMO.
and when you factor in that the Turbo is much more comfortable and daily friendly, it really is impressive
In my opinion, what's a bigger bias is that they'd used the much slower manual option of the gt3 when the pdk would"ve shown how much better of a track weapon it is. As both option are stock whilst changing the tires of the turbo s would be considered as a modification.
GT3 with PDK will do sub 42, may be even close to 41
The turbo S will never beat the GT3 weapon !
It would be very close IMO if you put the same tyres on both cars.
Steve Sutcliff did a 42.3 in the PDK when Auto Express did a GT3 vs Turbo S head-to-head. He was also a tenth faster in the Turbo (42.8)
The GT3 manual also has no-lift shifting. It automatically cuts throttle on shift so the driver can keep the throttle pinned.
That's cool and I think it also has the auto blip function so you don't have to heel toe everytime you down shift but I think you can turn them off if you wanna test your driving skills
No lift shifting.. nice
I am pretty sure that the Turbo S could match or even beat the GT3 time if it had the same Cup 2’s on it. Wasn’t really a fair comparison in that sense
But gt3 was manual
I got the Cup2 on my Turbo S and yes I can beat the GT3 on track but can never beat the RS. The RS to me is more refine track car
A race I was looking forward to seeing and it didnt disappoint. Thank you Rory.
Good to see a proper driver using a proper gearbox and beating the time. Well done. Good watching.
Another great video. You guys keep on smashing it. Well done Rory!
So,thanks to Rory ,when my wife calls me " a 10 second man" I take it as a compliment 👍😲
10 seconds....show off
That was great! Thanks for doing this comparison. That just makes my decision tougher to make. Living in California, a state with 42 million people in it, it's not always easy to find stretches of road where you are all alone. Also, I'm just not sure how often I would have the time to take it to the track to open it up safely. So, in this instance, I think I would opt for comfort and "toys" over this racing set-up of the GT3. Although I really love that 9,000rpm naturally aspirated engine as well. Cheers!
Id have the Targa but I know its not as fast as the other two
There are plenty of roads in CA to drive hard, with minimal traffic. You just have to know where they are bud. Get out and explore.
This! what an amazing video!!! plz bring Adam back... you guys work well together
Thanks Rory for sharing, your videos bring back passion for driving
Can't wait to see how absurdly fast the 992 GT2 is going to be, GT3+ handling with Turbo S+ power...
really,the tyres and the small track made for the difference in lap time
I don’t think this gen will have a gt2
@@gabrielgabes5074 even if it does, it’ll probably come at the end of the 992 cycle.
@@gabrielgabes5074 it will. It will be 992.2 version
@@dionysisdaras1289 Gt3 would've had a much better lap time with the pdk
Nah, you’re the clear winner Rory! Excellent work, as usual - really enjoyable format and comparison between these two monsters.
I can could never never get enough of your car reviews 👌
This is an excellent film! Good job. Loved it.
In my opinion, the 911 GT3 could cost twice as much and it would still be worth it. Where else can you get a N/A 9000rpm, manual, RWD that sounds and looks this good?
Previous-gen Audi R8 V10 with that gated manual
@@monishartwani8418 New.
@@307skylake7 Yeah, ik, but still. That comes close.
Honda s2000
@@STR1XDLB my immediate thought. 😂. Still something tells me this is somehow different.
Another great episode with Rory. Still curious about the laptime of the Turbo S with Michelin tyres.
It would surely, in this comparison, have been faster
You are by far the best in the business my friend. Keep up the great work….
Great Content, Fair representation, Fair Verdict. You guys are killing it.👏👏👏
An old university friend of mine's dad owns the 991.2 GT3 and Turbo S. He took me out in the Turbo S and I was blown away. But in the back of my mind I always wondered how the two compared.
The GT3 sounds absolutely fabulous, but I feel it's too track focused for 'real world ' everyday use. So, it has to be the Turbo S for me. However, the lack of a manual gearbox is disappointing.
Yeah It sounds like the 992 gt3 is more difficult on the road. I had the pleasure of going in a 991.2 gt3 the other week, and despite goosebumps from the obvious, what stood out was how good it was on the road. You would think being the track focused variant of the 911 that it would be compromised on the road, but I can see now how people say you can daily them now! The way it disguised bums in the road was incredible, the suspension and damping felt so refined. I went in an m2 comp afterwards and although its an awesome little car, comparatively, it bounced around far more on the same road and was actually far less comfortable. Pretty interesting. Even the carbon bucket seats are just wonderful to sit in, they feel cosy and the cushioning is perfect, although granted, getting in and out isn't quite as easy as your every day car haha.
Rory, another excellent production. Congrats for doing such outstanding work.
So refreshing to see genuine enthusiasm!
Rory, in the best possible way: I’m surprised how you’ve improved as a driver/commentator over the years! REALLY great video and analysis. (TBH, you need the same tyres to compare lap times though)
Also for the 0.5s I think the tyres would fill that gap… I guess Porsche would t be happy though…
Great video as always. Have to go with the Turbo S. Easier for use everyday.
I’ve been waiting for this ever since you uploaded the gt3 vid
The in car dialogue is awesome. This is amazing performance car content.
Turbo S all day everyday.
If I had to choose only one then the Turbo S would win hands down mainly due to its everyday usability.
Makes me wonder what the outcome would have been if it was shod with Cup 2 rubber !!
Brilliant review as always Rory. 😃
Wow the fact he said the turbo was more fun to chuck around was shocking to me. Thanks for an awesome video guys!!
TTS= 42.9s vs GT3= 42.4s Instead of the Pirelli P-Zeros, install the same Michelin Cup 2s on the Turbo S and see what happens 🙃
Rory please review the m5 cs 🙏
That Turbo is soo good looking. What a good spec 😍
Good work Rory and team, great video! These are really coming along, getting better and better 👏
Rory you did it again,another great comparison ,with 2 great cars👍
Turbo S for every day driving is much better car. Great video, well done as always.
It would be interesting to see both cars on the same tires
Such craic thrashing these two around a track. Great video
Really nice video ! Nice explain! Thanks
Similar to Steve Sutcliffe; he was 0.1 secs faster with both cars, so the same 0.5 secs difference. He knows the track very well, though.
But Steve didn't have a massive passenger in the other seat.
I like the GT3 performance , but the Turbo S are friendly with me. I want own both of them.
Exceptional video. Thanks for the effort.
Great comparison of these two legendary cars. I trust you'll do more comparisons like this?
I knew the gt3 would be faster as soon as you said you said there would be a rolling start.
If you were timing them from 0, the turbo s would take it no problem
Great video as always 👍
All hot laps for fast lap times are done with a flying start. This video and test is no exception. No lap time from the dig is ever is going to be faster than a flying start. Duh.
@@RizM820 He wasn't comparing the two types of starts head to head, he was comparing the difference in outcomes with the two cars in different standardized starts.
@@joeshmoe9233 thank you 😊
@@Mimoza120 My pleasure.
The turbo is not the best choice of track car, the extra weight counts against it. The GT3 is lighter with more track oriented suspension. For a cross country drive in the pouring rain, the turbo is the car of choice. Different horses for different courses… Then there’s the issue that you can buy a turbo but the GT3 is sold out.
Awesome vlog , comparison , shoot & all
Great video. I love the way a racing drivers eyes widen when he’s focussing on a fast lap!
Rory, your content is great, and fast becoming one of my favourite motoring journalists. And even better since the London accent has been dropped. (No offence!) 😂
I think the difference was that you were going about 20 mph then floored it only about 75 yards away from the start line when you were in the turbo S. When you were in the GT3, you were going as fast as you could the entire lap before the start line. I’ll have to go watch it one more time, but I think that was the difference. Either do a start from a certain MPH or from a stop, so that it’s fair.
I was scrolling through the comments to see if anyone noticed and I was shocked to find only you. Plus, it was the drivers 2nd go so he's more familiar with the track and the tires on the gt3 are better
@@choyayahyah hahaha! I did the exact same thing! I figured the comments would be flooded with thoughts about the start speeds. Odd that nobody mentioned your thing about driving the gt3 last. That would be a huge advantage.
@@lukelambert4595 And one more interesting point. The driver mentioned that the GT3 was much harsher over the curbes and he felt the crash a lot more. It's very possible that upset the car because of how stuff it is and time
@@choyayahyah right. I’ll definitely admit that the gt3 would probably be faster around a better track. Something in more pristine condition, but not on that track. With the curbs in mind, the poor surface and narrow track width, I don’t believe the gt3 was faster.
@@lukelambert4595 I'm not so sure, I'm curious if the GT3 really would be quicker around any track over the Turbo S . The GT3 is no doubt a more enjoyable car and certainly the GT3 RS if it will have the 580 hp that it supposedly will have I would bet will be a lot quicker than the Turbo S around most tracks. Both phenomenal cars though.
Turbo S loses to a track dedicated car by only a few milliseconds while providing much more creature comforts. Clear winner for me.
In nurburgring the time isn't juts a second
@@NegativoZ06 True, you need the Nurburgring to truly feel the difference between the two. But it just goes to show the Turbo S isn't lacking in handling or track dynamics despite being a heavier 4wd GT.
@@HiddenWen Actually, the turbo would win if it had the same tyre.
This comparison was unfair because gt3 had much better rubber
Great Video! Thank You Sirs!
Auto trader - loving the Channel… who ever is review review the cars in on the same level as Chris Harris. Keep the amazing content coming
What a stellar review. You guys did it again. Great idea comparing these two versions. Superb video, awesome production. Well done!
Turbo S for me, all day long.
Another exceptionally well done vid. Don't change a thing.
Great video with 2 amazing cars! Thanks
The track time improvement of the gt3 just isn't worth the comfort of a turbo s. I think most enthusiasts just like the gt3 because that's the car they're supposed to like. Realistically, getting a turbo s, which is more available and more comfortable is just worth it.
Exactly my friend. The GT3 is the car that, being a car enthusiast, they’re *supposed* to like, they *must* prefer, they *have* to choose. The kind of people who have no personal preference and follow the crowd and big figures in the game (Chris Harris, Mat Watson, etc.), to fit in are not real car enthusiasts.
I grew up when the Turbo was the only 911 in Need for Speed as well as the cover car of Porsche Unleashed, and the GT2 was the car winning races for Porsche.
I was disgusted when someone photoshopped a cover from those games with modern cars and replaced the 993 Turbo with a 991.1 GT3 RS. It isn't about the car, more about company politics which trickles down to journalists and then viewers.
Didn't realise the Turbo S is a genuine 200mph car these days. That would be my pick
You are the man who driving 911 with most fun.
Love your excitement in your reviews😁
Need to put cup 2’s on the Turbo and I think it will close the gap and probably be a tad quicker than the GT3, they make a lot of difference and most who take a turbo to the track would put them on.
And if they didn't have a rolling start the turbo would have smashed the gt3
I honestly love both cars and one of them should be in my future garage if I ever have the money.
But, I think there's some of Porsche politics in those comparison videos. First, why so far nobody tested both cars on the same tyres while it's very known that the Pirelli ones are a noticeable drop in performance. Second, they all are trying to make the Gt3 look significantly faster on track while the actual difference is less than half a second with the slower car being on worst tires.
I think Porsche doesn't want to make the Turbo S look as good as the GT3 while the latter is being advertised as a track master and set with load of track parts and tech and still performed same as a Turbo.S
Well said. Plus on a faster track result might be different.
Precisely.
That was awesome. Keep up the good work.
Superb! Thoroughly enjoyed that.
How come you don’t do drag races with elec scooters and stuff like farm machinery on this channel? Lol. Anther great vid Rory. I just love a turbo S.
Question: how accurate was the timing equipment for these lap times?
Ridiculous equipment “iphone” and just one lap time to compare.
Totally accurate. He used the iPhone 13 with a guess on where the start timing is 😂😂😘
all i know is they are always many of my favorites machines on the road! what a ride. beautiful colors too!
Brilliant! The cars are great, but the automotive journalism is next level!
It's a 3.7 litre biturbo, not a 4.0
Cup 2 tyres in the turbo s and do a rematch...:-)
Honest man I had a smile on my face watching you in the GT3
Awesome - best one yet Rory 👏👏